the real MAIN vocal from SMENTERTAINMENT LINA - CSJH THE GRACE LUNA - F(x) TAEYEON - GIRLS' GENERATION WENDY - RED VELVET BADA - S.E.S DANA - CSJH THE GRACE NINGNING - AESPA
yeah most fourth gen vocalists aren't that good. nmixx and aespa are the only two groups with good vocalists in the fourth gen. some other groups such as stayc have their main vocalist very low. sieun is typically ranked in the E range. the loona spinoff group loossemble's main vocalist (hyunjin) would be ranked F+ or E-.
@@igniculusquartz1827Yes only nmixx and aespa's main vocalist are good. Other than them Lesserafim Yunjin(C) and Billie Haram(C) and Kep1er(C-) are there and after that the list goes more down like Miyeon,Liz and hanni (D), lia(D-) and so on
@@Unknown..777 yunjin and haram are still pretty good especially for fourth gen. but sullyoon kyujin winter giselle are better than even some of the other groups main vocalists like the few you mentioned (like miyeon minnie liz hanni lia sieun) which is why aespa and nmixx have good vocals all around not just the main vocal
The fact that Lily and Haewon are one of the best vocalist in 4th gen and both of them are the only 4th gen idol with B tier, and both of them are not even from SM entertainment is impressive
@Meowmeow-jf9ehI mean, why does it matter if they're well known when someone is talking about abilities? There are so many well known artists being unable to hit a note while singing live.
Using letters is very stupid tbh lmao they dont even mean anything, but anyways... As for nowdays: 1)Wendy: mid proficient 2)Taeyeon: low proficient 3)Solar: high above average 4)Lily: mid above average 5)Yuju: low above average 6)Haewon: low above average 7)Wheein: low above average
Right! Kva is inaccurate enough (it's fine for W-A through to AA but not outside of this range), but now people have made up these weird letter tiers with no criteria. Letter tiers = No vocal knowledge
@@sunhyolic So, vocal tiers were made up by a guy who has a blog to analyse MAIN VOCALS of 2nd and 3rd gen groups. He generally bases it on supported range, with other things like the development of the 3 main vocal registers, vocal placement, and vocal agility. The term 'average' was used for anyone who was an average 2nd or 3rd gen main vocal. It generally means an idol can use all 3 registers up to an acceptable standard and support a good range. (The range they need to support to be considered average varies and can get confusing) Above average and higher generally means a larger supported range, better placement in higher notes, and more development in other registers. The letter tiers (A-F) came from nowhere and mean nothing as there are no criteria for them. The reason I'm not a big fan of KVA is because of its emphasis on supported range when support quality is undoubtedly the most important thing in singing (followed by vocal placement, supported vocal range and development in multiple registers) and the fact he would change his criteria just to favour a couple of his favourite 2nd gen groups.
a reevaluation of these vocalists: 1.Taeyeon (Mid to High B) 2.Wendy (Mid B) 3.Lily (High B-) 4.Solar (Mid to High B-) 5.Yuju (Low B-) 6.Haewon (Low[est] B-) 7.Wheein (Low to Mid C+)
@@lyricsarmyup2979 wheein is around mid level of average to above average which is C+. And no one person can be in two tiers simultaneously, it's either this or that.
@@GuinevereYT it's hard to predict. I hope they improve but to jump that much is rare. Even Exo main vocalists who still train with vocal teachers barely jump their rank even after 10 years. Although 2nd gen SM show some miracles like Taemin from deaf tone to B tier and Suju vocal line who's weaker than Exo vocal line when they debut but showed massive improvement from C tier to A tier.
@@Mulukan57 Sohyang get from C+ in her first television debut in 2000, to S in around 2007 just by 7 years progress, and she was fully self-taught vocalist that time until now, she never have a true vocal coach except 5 lesson from Seth Riggs around 2010. Vocalist that can improve much like Sohyang is very rare, but its not impossible..
@@eheHEEKKIEEEA-/A+ doesn't exist and she is def B+. She lacks consistency of resonance in D5. Also her Eb5 isn't as solid as A- vocalist. If she improve them, she could be A-.
1 octave isn't great. I can't tell if you are talking about supported range or chest voice. Since females should be easily singing into the 5th octave with their full vocal range (head voice). If you are just talking chest voice, you are most likely a mezzo soprano.
Taeyeon is B+. B+/A- doesn't exist, don't use double tier. She isn't even highest B+ lol Solar is B-. She never achieved resonance. Wheein is C+ now. she was B- but regressed. you need to include current her tier If you include current yuju. Lily is B-. she lacks development in mid range.
@@ptmr9010 gurl you don't understand kva system correctly. higher supported range≠higher tier. Lily has consistent D5/Eb5 and E5 best, but it's not important. Her mid range is clearly weak to pass the thresholds for AA-P. Especially Her vowel shaping is quite underwhelming. Even haewon has fuller and more open mid range. I'll show you some example. Doyoung from NCT has A4 but still Low AA. Eunkwang from BTOB has A4 too, but he is Proficient. Prime D.O. from EXO has A4/Bb4 but still AA-P. Chen from EXO has A4/Bb4 too, but he is P-G. Nayul from 12DAL has Eb5/E5 but still proficient. Hyolyn from sistar has Eb5/E5 too, but she is P-G. It shows supported range isn't important. You should only focus SUPPORT QUALITY.
Luna, ailee, hyolyn, sohyang (she's not technically kpop but still) Male singers: chen, the dude from suju that's name satarts with k. Also, vocal tiers don't exist in music; these are just who I woukd consider as top tier.
Huh Wendy is B+ so she's a vocalist because I saw video she cover a song love on top it seem she is off key I don't so she's not considered as because they can in off key what a joke for many praisin😂😂😂
thats because its very hard song to sing you need to be an A tier vocalist to be able to sing that beyonce song because it really need many technique in the upper register
Wendy has a better lower range, a more reliable upper belt register and better head voice. She is better than taeyeon (taeyeon does have the edge on mid belts and vocal agility though)
@@ryanlee3514 no no. Why would Seohyun be better? She isn't even close to Taeyeon. Taeyeon's regression is in her mid belts which was her strongest register. Now they are more nasal, tensed, & never resonant. I guess it's because her stylistic choices but I don't know.
@@WickedSua Rosé is D+ if I am not mistaken, so the example you gave here isn't appropriate imo. At the same time, C+/B- are very close one to another so it's possible to interchange or confuse them at times.
@@giovanniscappatura2972 ya but using tiers show that the person don't have enough knowledge about vocals and what I'm saying is based on sootzubæ,yeoun, flora,chaewita
B tier is literally the second best tier you can give an idol what are you on. B means “above average” how is that not good enough for you LMAO. just say u don’t know anything abt vocal tiers and move on
I really can’t stand this ranking like some of these artists noisy as hell vocal ranking should be abt technique not range taeyeon and wendy and ningning can play with their voices very well and u rank them ABC
😂😂lmao rosè is just D or say mid weak to average and she is shallow and the idols in this video are way better than her like where is D tier and B it's like D>>>>>B
Well well well vocalists like ningning lily tayeon solar wendy wheein can beat her easily and mabye YOU can't digest this fact But don't cry dude facts can't be changed🤷♀️ Edit : when your talking bout vocalists you definitely can't forget our queen of vocals AILEE cause she has a range of A+
@@vintxge_taetae maybe or yes it is lower than others who mentioned here but she called the golden vocalist of Korea not just for something..And i said she is unbeatable not the best..😮💨
![If you SING you WIN [KPOP CHALLENGE]](/img/n.gif)
If Wendy and taeyeon got B+ what level of mastery does one need to get a A+ 😅😯
Eunji, Hyolyn & Ailee etc come in A+ tier (if I'm not wrong) they are just fabulous
And btw hey moo!
@@n.m1251 tysm for the reply 😭 ofc Queen Ailee is an A+ tier … I’m this place we Stan Ailee!! And everyone else on the list!!! (And Mamamoo🙃) haha lol
@@n.m1251eunji? Is A+
@@n.m1251i thought she is B+
Become a opera singer to get A+💅 /j
the real MAIN vocal from SMENTERTAINMENT
LINA - CSJH THE GRACE
LUNA - F(x)
TAEYEON - GIRLS' GENERATION
WENDY - RED VELVET
BADA - S.E.S
DANA - CSJH THE GRACE
NINGNING - AESPA
jessica
and winter
@@mystacore5768winter are lead vocal
@@mystacore5768winter isn’t main
@@ventaliq i’m not gonna keep repeating myself. SM updated her roles to main vocalist on weverse and it’s on kprofiles
Wait really haewon and lily with all these 2nd and 3rd gen vocalists ??
Wow thats cool
yeah most fourth gen vocalists aren't that good. nmixx and aespa are the only two groups with good vocalists in the fourth gen. some other groups such as stayc have their main vocalist very low. sieun is typically ranked in the E range. the loona spinoff group loossemble's main vocalist (hyunjin) would be ranked F+ or E-.
@@igniculusquartz1827Yes only nmixx and aespa's main vocalist are good. Other than them Lesserafim Yunjin(C) and Billie Haram(C) and Kep1er(C-) are there and after that the list goes more down like Miyeon,Liz and hanni (D), lia(D-) and so on
@@Unknown..777 yunjin and haram are still pretty good especially for fourth gen. but sullyoon kyujin winter giselle are better than even some of the other groups main vocalists like the few you mentioned (like miyeon minnie liz hanni lia sieun) which is why aespa and nmixx have good vocals all around not just the main vocal
@@igniculusquartz1827 Absolutely true.
@@igniculusquartz1827LOONA best vocalist is Yves (C-)
The fact that Lily and Haewon are one of the best vocalist in 4th gen and both of them are the only 4th gen idol with B tier, and both of them are not even from SM entertainment is impressive
Nayul is B+ and yerim B-
@Meowmeow-jf9ehno,nayul and yerim are from 12dal but they disband
@Meowmeow-jf9eh sorry, i don't know her/him
@Meowmeow-jf9eh oh thank you
@Meowmeow-jf9ehI mean, why does it matter if they're well known when someone is talking about abilities? There are so many well known artists being unable to hit a note while singing live.
if yuju is a b- then im off the scale
Pretty sure I am too 😭😭
I'm pretty sure the average person is like F- or literally not even in the F tier-
@@baalz6391yeah untrained F-
@@baalz6391true lol, B is straight up a master
She has regressed from B to B-
IT'S NOW OR NEVAAAAA WE GO FOREVAAA
These vocalists are all legendary❤
I dont really care about vocal tiers, as long as you can sing and you sound great its okay for me and I know I'm safe with MAMAMOO😊😊
luna is on the next level (A)
Kpop female queen vocalist: Lina - A/A+
Ailee A+
Ailee A+ lee young hyun big mama A+ Shannon Williams A+
Lily and Haewon 🤩 they are among her sunbae❤️
Nicki minaj Unnie 😍
Why you calling her unnie?
Its a joke@@MIDZYwhoONCEfoundanNSWER4KISSY
@@MIDZYwhoONCEfoundanNSWER4KISSY Cause she's an unnie 😽
Lily B-
Wheein C+
Using letters is very stupid tbh lmao they dont even mean anything, but anyways...
As for nowdays:
1)Wendy: mid proficient
2)Taeyeon: low proficient
3)Solar: high above average
4)Lily: mid above average
5)Yuju: low above average
6)Haewon: low above average
7)Wheein: low above average
Right!
Kva is inaccurate enough (it's fine for W-A through to AA but not outside of this range), but now people have made up these weird letter tiers with no criteria.
Letter tiers = No vocal knowledge
can you guys explain all of those vocal rankings and terms used? i'm a bit confused lol
@@sunhyolic So, vocal tiers were made up by a guy who has a blog to analyse MAIN VOCALS of 2nd and 3rd gen groups.
He generally bases it on supported range, with other things like the development of the 3 main vocal registers, vocal placement, and vocal agility.
The term 'average' was used for anyone who was an average 2nd or 3rd gen main vocal. It generally means an idol can use all 3 registers up to an acceptable standard and support a good range. (The range they need to support to be considered average varies and can get confusing)
Above average and higher generally means a larger supported range, better placement in higher notes, and more development in other registers.
The letter tiers (A-F) came from nowhere and mean nothing as there are no criteria for them.
The reason I'm not a big fan of KVA is because of its emphasis on supported range when support quality is undoubtedly the most important thing in singing (followed by vocal placement, supported vocal range and development in multiple registers) and the fact he would change his criteria just to favour a couple of his favourite 2nd gen groups.
@@sapphire6806 oh ok ty
i think Lily is the highest above average, like she's 3. for lily and then solar 4
This just proves that haewon and lily are the best vocalists on 4th gen❤
Minyoung from brave girls
This actually shows nnmixx got two vocalists equivalents to mamamoo's main vocals?
a reevaluation of these vocalists:
1.Taeyeon (Mid to High B)
2.Wendy (Mid B)
3.Lily (High B-)
4.Solar (Mid to High B-)
5.Yuju (Low B-)
6.Haewon (Low[est] B-)
7.Wheein (Low to Mid C+)
@@sanaandyujusslave1121 well she's half white so of course there's a chance her voice is gonna sound like every other white girl
Wheein is in regression she's C+ now
C+/B-
@@lyricsarmyup2979Not really. She's a full Average to Above average vocalist rn
@@aenning bro she is not only C+
She is B-
@@lyricsarmyup2979 wheein is around mid level of average to above average which is C+.
And no one person can be in two tiers simultaneously, it's either this or that.
@@averyatwell95 now Wheein is B- her head voices are solid and upgraded. And we can say two tiers. Don't be lying
Considering Nmixx made their debute 2 yrs ago, they will definitely improve
Lily could go from B- to
B+/A-
She was B-, she is maybe B or B/B+
@@yuqi_cottage333 oh sorry, i meant B-😭
I believe if Sohyang hired to teach Lily and Haewon how to develop their headvoice and mix, they gonna be an A or A+ vocalist just by a couple years🎉
@@GuinevereYT it's hard to predict. I hope they improve but to jump that much is rare. Even Exo main vocalists who still train with vocal teachers barely jump their rank even after 10 years. Although 2nd gen SM show some miracles like Taemin from deaf tone to B tier and Suju vocal line who's weaker than Exo vocal line when they debut but showed massive improvement from C tier to A tier.
@@Mulukan57 Sohyang get from C+ in her first television debut in 2000, to S in around 2007 just by 7 years progress, and she was fully self-taught vocalist that time until now, she never have a true vocal coach except 5 lesson from Seth Riggs around 2010. Vocalist that can improve much like Sohyang is very rare, but its not impossible..
Sunye from Wonder Girls is B-
B
@@albatross.77B-
Yechan from PinkFantasy is a B tier vocalist too I think, same level as Haewon and Sejeong from IOI.
So B- then
Can you pls do A tier singers
Hyolyn and Ailee joined the chat
I think Jung Eunji from Apink is B tier
Yup and she is better than tayeon even i think the creator will add her in 2nd part
Nope she's definitely an A-/A+ tier her Vocal is literally better than all these idols
@@eheHEEKKIEEEA-/A+ doesn't exist and she is def B+. She lacks consistency of resonance in D5.
Also her Eb5 isn't as solid as A- vocalist. If she improve them, she could be A-.
@@eheHEEKKIEEEyes
I think she’s B+ or A-
My low note F2-B3
My high(whistle)note E7 stabile
My supported range(F4 to A5)
Whats my vocal tier ?
F+
You need to work on techniqe, you seem to be a soprano, so your higher range will develop quicker. Do nit ignore your lower register though.
F- seems about right :]
I don't think you know what you're doing💀💀
Kang Hyewon is A+ so she's not here 😊
Bruh Hyewon is not A+ she is A-/A dont lie
@@lyricsarmyup2979 no... she's better than Luna and it's a fact. 💅
@@ryanlee3514 oh you are so toxic and you dont know who is vocal tier
She is never A+ she is A-/A
Luna Lina Bada better than Hyewin
I legit thought of Kang Hyewon from IZ*ONE
@@DeerRyNa LMAO SAME 😭😭 She's literally the weakest in the group 💀
My vocal tier is A#4 (high note) and A#3 (low note). Is it good?
You are likely an alto (F3-E5). You can sing 52% of the notes in this voice group.
Yeah, you can sing like Jisoo now
No, but if you work on your techniqe you could eventually be as good if not better
1 octave isn't great.
I can't tell if you are talking about supported range or chest voice.
Since females should be easily singing into the 5th octave with their full vocal range (head voice).
If you are just talking chest voice, you are most likely a mezzo soprano.
y'all mine is d3 & f5 is that good or smth
+Ningning
She is in C+ tier now
Nu-uh
You forget Sejeong, Baek Yerin and Park Jimin (ex 15&)
taeyeon B+ (possible high B or low B+, bcs she regressed )
Wendy B+ (possible B, bcs she was re-evaluated)
solar B-
wheein C+ she regressed
lily B-
Right.
If yuju is b I don’t even wanna know
We don't wanna know either
Taeyeon is B+.
B+/A- doesn't exist, don't use double tier.
She isn't even highest B+ lol
Solar is B-.
She never achieved resonance.
Wheein is C+ now.
she was B- but regressed.
you need to include current her tier If you include current yuju.
Lily is B-.
she lacks development in mid range.
broo lily support D5 and E5 she AA-P
@@ptmr9010 gurl you don't understand kva system correctly.
higher supported range≠higher tier.
Lily has consistent D5/Eb5 and E5 best, but it's not important. Her mid range is clearly weak to pass the thresholds for AA-P. Especially Her vowel shaping is quite underwhelming. Even haewon has fuller and more open mid range.
I'll show you some example.
Doyoung from NCT has A4 but still Low AA. Eunkwang from BTOB has A4 too, but he is Proficient.
Prime D.O. from EXO has A4/Bb4 but still AA-P. Chen from EXO has A4/Bb4 too, but he is P-G.
Nayul from 12DAL has Eb5/E5 but still proficient. Hyolyn from sistar has Eb5/E5 too, but she is P-G.
It shows supported range isn't important. You should only focus SUPPORT QUALITY.
Taeyeon's vocal range goes from B2 to G6 if she's an A
@@nour_ysl vocal range doesn't affect tier. It's not technique lol
@@strawberry_0403
Didn't anyone tell you that none of the idols whose voice range is B+ can sing the G6 note only their A voice range can do it lol
Taeyeon is considered A-? Wow ive never heard of someone getting A- before
Hyolyn is A-/A
@@sarahsaou5122 Oh ok
Ailee is A+
Lily is b- too, tho
Lily is B
while Haewon is B-
@@albatross.77 Maybe Lily is High b- or low b
@@happy_ryujin Lily is Mid-High Above average. which will fall likely into B
@@albatross.77 Lily is mid-high above average so B- cuz entire above average is B-. She needs to be atleast low above average-proficient to get B.
@@albatross.77 Lily is high AA which is B- not B
Pretty sure ningning has joined now
our ning2 is still c+, but really close to b-
Ningning too? ❤
C+
Ningning is C+
yeah she's in low/mid a-aa, we don't used the letter tiers anymore
@@Kpop_Shadowshe’s C+/B-
it’s not related to kpop but what is morisette amon’s vocal tier please?
maybe p-g, not sure tho because she improved lately from aa-p
@@deku7909 hey thanks for responding. do you know the equivalent with letters like A, B, S? like in the video
@@chiisjy solid A/ wanking to A+
@@chiisjy if she's p-g like the one above you said, then it's A- tier.
@@averyatwell95She is solid good or high good since 2018
Miyeon?
D
Ningning?
Ningning C+
does anyone know Riize’s Tier Vocal ?
Lily is B not B-😊
Please A tier😅😊🥺
I think luna f(x), ailee , hyolyn
Luna, ailee, hyolyn, sohyang (she's not technically kpop but still)
Male singers: chen, the dude from suju that's name satarts with k. Also, vocal tiers don't exist in music; these are just who I woukd consider as top tier.
@@Taemtiddiesharilous sohyang is a solid S tier Luna hyolyn ailee is A
@@cassandraadea5536 not really sohyang's lows ain't nothing special
@Meowmeow-jf9ehkyuhyun is A+? and "ryeowook" for sure is 'A' both are great as well
Taeyeon is still B+
No Taeyeon it's an A because her vocal range goes from B2 to D6_G6
@@nour_ysl is D6 supported?
@@winterflies
Yes, I did it in two songs, one of which is the title from the last Japanese album girls spkout and the second worry free love
@@nour_ysl She never supported that high. It's just the vocal range
@@firefish8370gurl she did go argue with wall she's high b+ or a- most prolly a- now ig
Solar b-
Yuju's PRIME is B or B+ right?.
I believe yuju prime is B
Huh Wendy is B+ so she's a vocalist because I saw video she cover a song love on top it seem she is off key I don't so she's not considered as because they can in off key what a joke for many praisin😂😂😂
thats because its very hard song to sing you need to be an A tier vocalist to be able to sing that beyonce song because it really need many technique in the upper register
🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I think you meant PROFICIENT?
Taeyeon Mid Proficient She even never was close to P-G(A-) and Wendy is Low Proficient
wendy is mid proficient ig
Wendy has a better lower range, a more reliable upper belt register and better head voice. She is better than taeyeon (taeyeon does have the edge on mid belts and vocal agility though)
Both are mid proficient but Taeyeon might be low now because of her regression.
@@averyatwell95what's the reason of Queens regression? is Seohyun better now?
@@ryanlee3514 no no. Why would Seohyun be better? She isn't even close to Taeyeon. Taeyeon's regression is in her mid belts which was her strongest register. Now they are more nasal, tensed, & never resonant. I guess it's because her stylistic choices but I don't know.
NingNing?
She is C+
@@Kpop_ShadowI'm pretty sure I saw somebody considering her B-
@@giovanniscappatura2972bro in that case many people even put rosè as C+ or C so i believe them?
@@WickedSua Rosé is D+ if I am not mistaken, so the example you gave here isn't appropriate imo. At the same time, C+/B- are very close one to another so it's possible to interchange or confuse them at times.
@@giovanniscappatura2972 ya but using tiers show that the person don't have enough knowledge about vocals and what I'm saying is based on sootzubæ,yeoun, flora,chaewita
Those standards are way too high for u to concider them b tier
They are proficient vocalists
the letter system doesn't make sense.
@@aenning yeah.
You open with Nikki Minaj, who isn't a vocalist, then give the likes of Solar and Wheein a "B"? You're mental mate.
First of all intro isn't equal to videos then WheeIn and Solar are B tier vocalist, I think a mental write this comment 😂
B tier is literally the second best tier you can give an idol what are you on. B means “above average” how is that not good enough for you LMAO. just say u don’t know anything abt vocal tiers and move on
And since when is intro related to actual shorts ??
They can just put random songs they like lol
@@Kpop_Shadowwheein regressed
@Meowmeow-jf9eh technically, there isn't such things as these vocal tiers. Someone made them up and they are never used in music.
i thought nicki minaj was a b tier vocalist lol
I really can’t stand this ranking like some of these artists noisy as hell vocal ranking should be abt technique not range taeyeon and wendy and ningning can play with their voices very well and u rank them ABC
Nmixx has limited materials.
Taeyeon and wendy are legit though.
Seulgi should be the only A tier here.
She's the ace and cosmopolitan called her the vocal powerhouse, not Wendy.
Actually seulgi is C tier vocalist or above average vocalist
Wendy is better at everything
Wendy is better than seulgi seulgi is just a C tier vocalist
Is this a joke? Wendy is 3 tiers above Seulgi.
@@DivinaRoyale C tier is average.
Above average is B- which is Lily, Solar, Yuju.
where is rose? she is the best vocalist on kpop
😂😂lmao rosè is just D or say mid weak to average and she is shallow and the idols in this video are way better than her like where is D tier and B it's like D>>>>>B
You kidding right? 😂
LOL
My god 😂 how can you be so seriously funny 😂😂
"Better vocalist on kpop"
Better than whom gurl? 😂
In your dreams
Well well well Rosé is unbeatable..Maybe some people can't digest it..Don't cry dude..Facts can't be changed 😊 and It's a fact😂❤...
Well well well vocalists like ningning lily tayeon solar wendy wheein can beat her easily and mabye YOU can't digest this fact
But don't cry dude facts can't be changed🤷♀️
Edit : when your talking bout vocalists you definitely can't forget our queen of vocals AILEE cause she has a range of A+
Yeah dude before commenting maybe check your fave’s vocal range😍 cus it’s lower than all of the idols mentioned in the video LMAO
@@jaywhypeeoparrrrrrrrrrrr look you are shading Rosé meanwhile I just praised her..I said Rosé is unbeatable not the best... it can't be helped 😮💨
@@vintxge_taetae maybe or yes it is lower than others who mentioned here but she called the golden vocalist of Korea not just for something..And i said she is unbeatable not the best..😮💨
oh rosé? the unbeatable nasal voice of korea
Lily is B not B-😊