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Dune - The Cinema Snob
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The Cinema Snob reviews David Lynch's 1984 adaptation of Frank Herbert's Dune.
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If Dune is the worst thing on your resume, you know you're badass. David Lynch is a legend.
Quentin Tarantino said it best, on how to tell a great director from a servicible, mediocre, or bad director. With the first three types of director, their worst movie will be completely forgettable. However, a great director's worst movie will be just as memorable as his best ones.
@@user-ly9wr8wj5sGeez... What does that make Tarantino? Does he even have a "worst" movie?
@@charlottecorday8494 His last couple of movies.
I like Dune better than Fire Walk With Me and Inland Empire.
I was ten when _Dune (1984)_ was released in theaters, so I’m not going to pretend I understood it then. But this film, for all its flaws, has one thing the other remakes and spinoffs don’t have:
My favorite Legendary Actor, the late Dean Stockwell! 😭
More people found this former Child Actor through either _Married To The Mob, Quantum Leap_ or the _Battlestar Galactica Remake._ And of course I adore those roles!
But in 1980 my six year old self fell madly in love with his seven year old self when I saw a rare airing of _Anchors Aweigh (1945)_ on some local television station.
Over a decade or so after I initially saw _Dune (1984),_ I finally caught up with _Blue Velvet (1986)_ and learned more about his connection to David Lynch. Dean went on to tell an interesting story about how he met David long before the Director hired him!
I could literally write a biography about this tragically overlooked man so I’ll just end this by saying:
Okay, so Dr. Yueh was the traitor! Sure! But The Barron killed his wife, goddamn it!!
I unironically love every frame of this movie with all my soul
Me too. It's a frustrating movie because you can see what it might have been.
Same
Watched it countless times, the music and visuals are amazing. It's sad Lynch hates it so much he never went back and did a directors cut.
I think it's a great movie. I hate how they just practically ignored the mentats in Villeneuve's version, totally wasting Pyter!
@@spencers4121He actually didn't have the movie per se, he hated studio interference, that didn't let him do whatever he wants. Not saying I'm entirely on his side, because when you see interviews about Twin Peaks the Return, you see Lynch throwing a tantrum of why they can't spend as much time filming some scenes on a sound stage they own and a poor exec trying to explain to him the actors are not his personal slaves and have other contracts.
15:23 Epic to think you have Father Merrin, Captain Picard, Special Agent Dale Cooper and horror writer Sutter Cane all in one shot.
That’s right-talk about an outstanding cast.
And Al Calavicci.
And Chucky.
I don't think David Lynch gives himself enough credit. Who else would have thought up two dwarfs poking a dead cow with a stick.
Decades ago in the mid 90s I made a spliced version on VHS that included the extended cut and the TV extended bits mashed together (like Stilgar's extended worm riding tutorial) before the DeLaurentis Extended DVD cut (which excludes the storybook opening narration in favor of the Irulan one) and must agree... Lynch had filmed so many iconic scenes and nailed many things. I can give a pass to his interpretation of the Weirding Way and the voice amplifying sonic weapons for everything he got so darn right. The art direction on this so influenced my view of the Dune universe that it caused me to outright reject initially the SCI-FI series which actually does get a lot right too... Just couldn't stand the break dancing pantomime Spacing Guild and Irulan's butterfly dresses in the first Sci-Fi mini-series.
@KareemHarper The sci-fi miniseries has some of the worst costuming I've ever seen.
Children of Dune was great, though.@@stevencoffin328
@@stevencoffin328 It was done with a low budget, but it's probably one of the more faithful version of the book.
@@KareemHarperBut those butterfly dresses were funny!
"Paul and Chani's Love grew." You'll just have to take our word for it. LOL~
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This still explained more than "somehow, palpatine returned" 😆
omg I forgot about that horrible line in that movie.@@robollama8612
Honestly, the 80's were the proper decade to encapsulate the bizarreness of Dune as a universe, so I nonironically love this version.
When this hit the theaters I was a Junior in college. My friends and I went to see it. The final wheel was missing! The manager said we could return the next day and watch it again for free. Turned out that the final reel was mostly the final credits!
That is funny for several reasons 😆
I think it was "Dune" that someone in a comment elsewhere saw with two of the reels accidentally swapped, and the audience didn't notice! 🤣
Whenever I watch this movie I imagine it's an episode of Twin Peaks. One of the characters falls asleep while reading Dune and dreams the entire movie. Only way it makes sense.
That’s an intriguing idea.
According to Wikipedia:
"Although Universal has approached Lynch for a possible director's cut, Lynch has declined every offer and prefers not to discuss Dune in interviews. In 2022, though, during an interview about the remaster of his film Inland Empire (2006), he admitted to the surprised interviewer that he was interested in the idea. He offered the caveat that he did not believe it would ever happen, nor that anything in the unused footage would satisfy him enough for a director's cut, as he said he was "selling out" during production. Nevertheless, he said enough time had passed that he was at least curious to take another look at the footage."
Let me guess, the newer movies made him curious to go back, didn’t they?
@@madgang201 it wouldn't surprise me.
@@madgang201more than likely. In addition, a lot of the reappraisal of his film has come about thanks to efforts of fan edits like from Spicedriver that brings back much of the cut footage in a seamless manner, repurposes some of Virginia Madsens voice over narrative into areas that make sense, eliminates a great deal of thr inner voice stuff, thereby removing repetition and redundancy, and even manages to repurpose the exposition stuff from thr Alan Smithee TV cut into information that Paul is learning about from his tablet. It also removes the moment Paul makes it rain at the end. The new fanedit even breaks things up into chapters, making the film feel a great deal more epic and cinematic than ever.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lynch ended up seeing that fanedit and then decide to personally have Spicedrivee come on board to make that edit the official edit, much like how a fan edit of Raising Cain ended up becoming the official directors cut edit on the home video release.
i think i remember hearing that i'm really curious what kind of film he would do if he was able to get his hands on it since the cut would be so different from how it turned out
@@madgang201Lynch said he has not and will not watch DV's remake
Just think, David Lynch directed Return of the Jedi, we could’ve seen Jabba the Hutt flying all across the ceiling
And Princess Leia killing him with a gom jabbar-like weapon she hid in her bra.
Lynch's Dune was a good try at least. it does have Captain Picard holding a little dog while going into battle. Classic! lol
Lynch's Dune walked so that Villeneuve's Dune could ride the Shai-Hulud.
@@timetochronicle Good thing it walked without rhythm, too.
When the Guild Navigator arrives in that large canister thing, one of the men in the long black coats falls over - he's at the back on the left 😂 (not exactly stormtrooper hitting his head on rising door, but close).
I just checked and saw it, I have watched this movie countless times.
Also after you find out the sardaukar are wearing modified used body bags, you can never unsee it.
the guild really makes me think of the face of boe from Doctor Who
The guild dosnt take orders.
“I didn’t want to shoot Kung Fu fights on the damned sand”.
Herbert’s Dune books are my Lord Of The Rings. I can respect the craftsmanship and visual imagination of this movie, but I can’t get over “Weirding Modules”.
Yeah it felt like a way to get "my name is a killing word" into the movie even though that works well enough for them just shouting Muad'dib as they fight
Also made the final battle easier to shoot since they can just sit on the worms and shoot everything standing still, it's a serious compromise in this adaptation but considering how much else is changed I don't even really care, by that point I'm numb to how wrong everything is and I take this movie as it's own animal
However with the new ones every changed detail feels like a betrayal because of how good everything else is
The remkae has that.
In many cases, you can see where George Lucas drew inspiration from Dune in the creation of Star Wars
You are forgetting Flash Gordon
Both most likely drew inspiration from John Carter.
@@toomanyaccountsAnd Buck Rogers!
I've defended loving this flick for ages. Saw it in the theater when it came out, yep, had the cheat sheet. It was so bizarre back then, It is so utterly unique.
I would pay to to see a bar fight that included Sting, an 8yr old Alicia Witt, and Linda Hunt
I mean... Yeah! Who wouldn't?
Piter de Vries the character played by Brad Dourif is not a Harkonnen. He is a Mentat. They are an order of people that are trained from an early age to basically become human computers. They are capable of memorizing vast amounts of information and use knowledge and reasoning to solve problems. All of the great houses have at least one in their employ. Actual computers or "thinking machines" have been strictly forbidden since the Butlarian Jihad.
Then how does that explain the eyebrows?
@@louisduarte8763 how can one be hyper intelligent without having comically large eyebrows to raise up like Mr. Spock when intrigued by something that peaks your interest, or use in mocking condescension at someone else's idiocy?
The snob must flow.
Tbh, i prefer when the snob liquids say inside of him.
The entire sound weapon concept is based on an almost throw away line on one of the last pages of the book "I could kill you with a word." That being said, the weirding modules are extremely cool.
I got to see this in theatres for the first time last week. I went with a group of other nerds, we had such fun. Something I'd never realized from just watching it at home is how great the sound design is! And there were so many random details that I caught for the first time. I do think that the longer cut is better, but if you're going to see it, try to get it in a theatre.
"Rod and Tod" were " Orlop and Kaleff" the children of Jamis, whom Paul killed in a knife-fight scene that was cut from the movie. It's Fremen custom for the winner of an Amtal challenge to care for the wife and kids of his slain foe. That's why those two kids are there.
Jolly Ranchers with a gummy center... Bravo, Brad. Brilliant as always!
I was a huge fan of the books, having first read them while I was in high school; and I was super stoked to see this when it was released. It certainly wasn't Frank Herbert's Dune, but my friends and I all really enjoyed it, as crazy as it was.
Despite being a huge David Lynch fan, "Dune" was the one I kept putting off seeing until a few years ago. Even though it has a lot of classic Lynch director's signatures--dream sequences, hissing industrial noise, Jack Nance, etc.--I can see why he doesn't like talking about it.
I think Frank Herbert liked the movie, though, except for the end. In the books, Paul is a false messiah, while in the movie he is the messiah.
I wonder how much studio interference led to the ending of Lynch's Dune making Paul even more of a heroic figure. It did come out not too long after the original Star Wars trilogy, and I think Universal wanted their own "Star Wars". Also, and considering Lynch was planning an adaptation of Dune Messiah, I think such an adaptation would have put off people who enjoyed seeing the "heroic" Paul.
Denis is doing the right thing by being more faithful and showing the Paul who would end up causing an immense genocide.... but I still have a soft spot for that heroic Paul. If viewed on its own, and without a Messiah followup, 1984 Dune can be appreciated as a "Star Wars" imitator, and also a contemporary to the 1980s Flash Gordon. The Lynch movie also was the inspiration for the approach that Westwood's Dune 2000 and Emperor: Battle for Duen games took, which had a heroic Atreides. And, the 1984 Dune book walked, so that the Denis's movies could run.
@@timetochronicle Well a couple of years ago, I found a draft of the script online, and that one ends the same way the book does. So maybe you're right.
I had a family friend that swore there was a director’s cut with a different cast that was 6 hours long but when I told him he was thinking about the mini series he wouldn’t listen 😂
“I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating - and it gets everywhere.”
Yeah, that joke was funny in...huh, guess it wasn't.
Ah yes the space pugs... until they crush the pugs in a glass and drink them.
Long live Pug Leto! 🐶
The dog owes my friend money
Best thing about David Lynch media: his style is so crammed with symbolism and metanarrative and such, that even when you have no idea what the hell you're looking at, it's always with a sense that there is meaning behind the insanity at the very least. Compare it to something like Tarsem Singhs movies, where a lot of the time it feels like they're just being weird for the sake of weird.
I love this movie, I wonder what David Lynch's Return of the Jedi would have looked like
Probably less trippy than what we got with the Ewoks.
couldnt have been worse roj sucks.
@@CmdrSoCaldid you watch anything that came after it?
@@bobdouglass8010the different levels of suckiness
You had me at "Horse With No Name". And you get ALL the bonus points for actually knowing about "The Great Race"!
"There isn't enough Ritalin in the world to help me follow that!"
- Momma Snob
I adore twin peaks and X files to the point I’ve watched them both several times. They’re two of the most wild, crazy, weird and interesting shows of the entire decade of the 90s. And EVEN I WAS CONFUSED by this movie when I watched it for the first time last night. I said several times out loud “I feel like I need to read the book first to understand this movie”
“God created the snob to train the faithful”
To be fair about the cheat sheet, the encyclopedia in the back of the first book is the size of a small novel in its own right and you HAVE to reference it if you dont want to be confused as fuck the first time you read it
Describes my experience reading The Lord of the Rings.
@@louisduarte8763more like The Silmarillion.
18:28 seeing Patrick Steward saving the the Pug was both a hilarious & heroic moment, easily my favorite from the entire movie.
I don't recall Dogs in the book
I love Brad’s mom and how she’s as much of a cinema snob as he is!! Like mother like son 😊
Imagine the fact that this is 11 years AFTER The Exorcist and somehow Max Von Sydow de-aged 20 years or more. LOL The miracles of 1973 makeup!
I been waiting for Brad to "Snob" Dune for about 12 years now.
I have seen maybe 1% of the films you review, but your reviews are so bloody funny, I have them on all the time on the telly while doing work! Keep it up!
And PLEASE do The Langoliers!!!
I second your petition for a Cinema
Sob review of the Langoliers!
Kyle MacLachlan could play Paul Atreides in Dune
But Timothee Chalamet could not play Zack Carey in Showgirls !!!
Could Chalamet play Cliff Vandercave or Jeffrey Beaumont, or voice Riley Andersen's dad?
And The flinstones.
I've seen this movie three times, first before having read the book, then after, then in the theater when they re-released it for its anniversary before DV's Dune part two. Each time I enjoyed it more than the last.
It's really grown on me. It's an exceptionally good looking movie, even more than DV's version at times (as much as I absolutely adore that version), and the music is damn good.
I’ve been waiting for this moment for all my life
It's odd yet amazing how often Brad Dourif pops up.
David lynch’s dune is superior in one major way. It features a space pug who lives thanks to Patrick Steward. The pug must live
Fun fact: Iron Maiden's song "To Tame a Land" from the album "Piece of Mind"is a seven and a half minute epic telling the story of the original Dune.
At least the sets in this Dune have texture and color, instead of being featureless, minimalist, plain colored walls. And I can hear what the characters are saying.
The miniseries and it’s sequel Children of Dune are the best that SyFy made in the 2000s!!! Emperor: Battle for Dune has Copec and Gunseng that both resembled Rabban and Feyd-Rautha from the Lynch movie!!!!
Almost every Dune video game was stylized after the 1984 movie.
Emperor was, I think, the best of the games and Westwood's final curtain call before being absorbed by EA.
Dune: every frame a banquet; every scene a slog.
I watched this long before falling in love with the novel and series, and I still love it. For one thing, it has never put me to sleep like Villenueve's version which did it both times I tried to watch it
I LOVE the Lynch's Dune (especially the fan cut of it), and I laughed my ass off at this. Thanks, Brad.
Given he's the inspiration for him and seems to love the character I wish Sting would make a cameo in something Constantine
That score though....holy CRAP that score is glorious.
6:07 Thats How Shatner Described his home in a driveway at a time , within his Rising to Fame. In his Auto biography he mentions it. Plus in other places too over these years too.
As someone who knew about that popcorn bucket, I’m ashamed that I was surprised when Snob brought it up. It’s one of those batshit facts Brad would ABSOLUTELY know.
18:39 - Valdmir Harkonian is actually Paul's maternal grandfather, so he's actually spitting on his own daughter!
Uhh,that’s really twisted.
This is not The baron from the book.
Stellen version was more of the menacing and thinking type.
Squeese well, squeese hard.
Rabba: and the rest who like the original.
Baron: kill them all.
@@BarryHart-xo1oy The whole book series is twisted. I'm on "Children of Dune" and I'm like wtf these kids are 9!!!
The funny thing is as the Dune books keep going they get so unhinged that David Lynch is actually the perfect person to direct them.
Every time I close my eyes I see Sting in that little speedo thing.
Saw this in its rerelease a few weeks ago. The sound mix was AMAZING!
There really is no other movie like this one. AND I ACTUALLY HAD THAT PAUL ATREIDES ACTION FIGURE. Even had a coloring book!
Paul Smith was in 'Dune' and 'Crimewave' which came out just a year apart from each other. Both movies had "issues." 'Dune' had the issue of David Lynch not having final cut. 'Crimewave' had all the typical issues of studio politics.
Note: I had a sandworm toy when I was a kid in the '80s.
11:08 Piter de Vries, a corrupt Mentat who aids the Harkonnens.
13:58 You're a Civvie 11 fan, aren't ya?
14:59 "He will know your ways as if born to them."
23:17 Paul is supposed to be in his late teens, right? 1984 Kyle McLachlan could pass for maybe 22-ish at the youngest.
24:29 It's "buck naked," not "butt naked." So "buck-ass naked" would be the extended version of that expression.
24:57 You're not far off. The Guild Navigators are former humans.
I remember when I first saw this movie in the theaters, they handed out the glossary of the film. I still have it.
I havent seen the Cinema Snob in years. He looks older than Mr Magoo at this point.
Say what you want about the re-shoots, but that intro has become legendary.
Even still, I can't watch Brad without wanting to hear the greatest American hero theme.
Brad Doriff or Brad Jones?
15:07 - 15:14
Stilgar: LISAN AL GAIB!!! 🙌🙌🙌
LISAN AL GAIB!!!
The only thing i have to add is that is not 10,000 AD, it has been far too long since I did the math but it is closer to 40,000 AD at a minimum, but that is from the books
The simplest way I could explain and/or describe Dune is basically picture Star Wars combined with Game of Thrones and The Godfather. I personally would love to see a live action version of God Emperor of Dune someday since the new Denis V’s Dune made the Dune series excellent while also bringing back some memories of the classic 1984 movie too
This is where the fun begins
There was a children's comic book. And it openly talks about assassination! How do I know this? I owned it.
Hey Brad! Not sure if you've heard of the SpiceDiver fan edit of Lynch's Dune, but it's here on TH-cam and worth checking out. It's about as close to a director's cut as you'll find and makes the whole thing much more fleshed out and easy to understand. Easily the best cut you can find.
Yesss I saw this movie at a young age and it stuck with me.
Kyle MacLachlan is so much more likeable than Chalamet.
My aunt loves this film.
Brad, you are more qualified to critique this film than anyone alive. I absolutely loved your take on this!
"Forget TOTO, why does it look like if DEVO made a music video detailing the Harvey Weinstein story?"
I'm in tears! You're the best, bar none! 😂
20:22 in the italian dub the Baron was dubbed by the same dude who dubbed President Skroob, his name is Sergio Fiorentini
This episode was the closest I have gotten to seeing all of this movie. It looks so beautiful and I love the cast. Maybe after reading the book it will make more sense.
It definitely makes sense after reading the book. Mostly for filling in all the details the movie skips through as fast as possible.
My first viewing, I didn't know half of what was going on. I read the book and, awhile later, watched the film again. It was like a whole different film to me, then. Grew to enjoy it quite a bit after that.
I watched this movie more than the original star wars trilogy on vhs. I read the books in high school. I love Lynch's adaptation.
There's a nearly four hour Spice Diver edit on TH-cam that is pretty much Lynch's vision.
14:00 that was...not the beetlejuice reference i was expecting!
I will always love this movie, it's such a staple of my childhood.
This movie costume is better (no joke) than the 2021 movies. More unique and more style.
I love that too. It's the size of a room, saying: I'm not here. No one can know. Alright squad roll me out.
"And you're lost?" This is like watching a Bible movie and saying who is Saul or Esther. You might have to read the Bible to know what is going on.
I feel this movie could of been the GREATEST science fiction movie of all time had the studio left David Lynch alone and let it be 4 hrs
may want the Brad Dourif interview where he talks about Lynch wanting to have an actor disfigure their face for a scene rather than use camera tricks. Also if Lynch was truly unhappy than theatrical would be Alan Smithee
>checks notifications
>sees it's cinema snob reviewing dune
Oh heck yea! I have to watch it.
… yes, thank you for such a poignant comment. You really described what literally every body else did. Thanks for such deep insight on something extremely normal.
Absolutely riveting comment! We are all so enthralled by you and your utterly fascinating life.
That Beatlejuice worm 😆
God, I still have imprinted in my mind the picture of oiled Sting in speedos... The horror... The horror...
But seriously, this movie and all it's cast was fantastic. (yes, mr. Sting was fantastic :))
The cheat sheet is in the book too. Sorta like the map in LOTR's
David lynch talking about meeting George Lucas for Jedi is just the best
Original dune adaptation convinces me that only David Lynch could adapt something like 40K to the big or small screen. While i'm not a snob over CGI and modern effects vs oldschool practicals, real sets and extra's i see benefits and drawbacks of both and how they can even compliment each other. Sorry but some stuff is just better depicted with mass scale that oldschool allows you to do and real sets and D.L. Dune is one of the masterclass examples of that and it does it by being visually grimdark and still subtle yet impressive.
Really in particular western CGI generally fails as portraying large scales, i've only seen asian studios(on mainly Japanese) do it right and especially when there wasn't anyone watching over their shoulders and constantly dictating stuff.
13:59 Reminds me of Civvie 11's Nice Model gag 😎
_HONK HONK!_
I have to shout out the fan edit Alternative Edition Redux that did a good job at showing us what David Lynch's intended version of Dune would have looked like.
I saw Dune when I was 13 years old and had already read the books.
So that is better than 99,99% of people in USA.
David Lynch's Dune I never saw before watching the Timothee Chalamet version and I got to say for a 1984 movie it does show that a movie with big ambitions with a box office disappointment does lead to a large fan-base.
The ending credits always reminded me of the Young and Restless opening or any soap for that matter.
Amazon’s Rings of Power show did something similar. Another hilarious decision from that dumpster fire.
I think I caught this movie on the "Disney Channel" (pre-Hanna Montana) one night while I was waiting for another movie to come when I was a kid. As someone who still hasn't read the books nor watched this, the miniseries, or the new movie, I don't really have a full opinion on it yet. But from what I've seen, this is one of David Lynch's more ambitious movies, even though he didn't have full creative control.
11:09 Its Grima Wormtongue in space.
The Snob is the Cinema, The Cinema is the Snob.
30:32 "I know I shouldn't like this." My feelings cexactly the first time I watched it as a lid with my Dad sitting next to me and explaining the whole thing.
Dad and I still have copies of that cheat sheet.
This is not objectively a good film, but has enough personality to make it an engaging one.
It actually looks the opposite of "cheap". It looks OVERBLOWN and EXCESSIVE. I like it none the less. I do wonder WHAT Return of the Jedi would've been like under Lynch's direction.