@@madmaximilian5783 "A San Antonio Police Department officer fired last year for directing a racist and sexist tirade toward a funeral home director has won back his job, city officials confirmed Friday. Officer Lee Biegert, who had worked for SAPD since 2006, was reinstated to the department by a third-party arbitrator, a year after he was terminated for the expletive-filled barrage. The arbitrator shortened Biegert’s indefinite suspension to 90 days, and concluded that the officer’s punishment was not in line with similar SAPD incidents." From the KSAT website, dated Feb 25, 2022. So the arbitrator decided that since this kind of thing happens enough in that police department that a de facto expected punishment has already been established for police acting as Biegert did, that it's unfair for Biegert to be fired, because all the other cops who have done the same thing got a slap on the wrist. LOL, the chief says he won't accept this type of behavior, like Biegert's. Maybe the chief should already have been cleaning house, weeding out the bad cops (yes, I know, they'd have to start over with no cops at all), and establishing discipline that actually meant something about it before Beigert, because since it was never punished severely in the past, it can't be severely punished now. The poor little snowflake cops in America, imagine if they actually had to be held to the consequences for their actions. That would be horrible! Those poor widdle coppies....
So apparently the cop got angry that his father died and didn't know where to put his rage. So he called the Hispanic lady a lot of bad racial slurs? I think that was what I was getting at. I wonder if the Hispanic funeral home director did something unprofessional to him to where he got super ticked off? If that was the case the cop guy should had made a complaint to the Funeral Home Property owners instead of arguing with idiots. Seems like some information was left out a lot on why the cop guy suddenly went nuts.
Thank you for trying to clean up your police department, those types of people don't need to carry a gun with the freedom to kill and get away with it.
The arbitrator wants to give it a few months for everything to calm down so that he or she can reinstate the officer. They seem to do this often, even against the departments wishes. These unions have got to go.
Information is heavily left out of here. Was the cop guy provoked into responding with racial slurs? Or did he just suddenly snapped? The news media left out a lot of information.
@@VoidDragon82 San Antonio is heavy Democrat far left governed. The media lies. If the Officer truly screwed up; he wouldn't even have a chance to attempt to be reinstated. Media is lying as heck even though the Officer did say those harsh words.
@@coolgamers2794 "...provoked into responding with racial slurs".....dafuq you talking about? You can provoked into being angry, you gotta already be a racist to be 'provoked' into saying racist things.
Do not reinstate that corrupted coward, u can imagine what he does on the streets, and how he talk to the citizen, how many times has this happened? He's high risk and going to cost that city or county a lot of money by being corrupted.😵💫😵👹👺😈💩😤🤯🐖😡🤬
That chief is amazing, he is a hero for standin up for his citizens, his integrety. Chief if he comes back ... offer him a chair in the hallway of your holding cel and keep him buried away of your citizens. I bet he won't stay long ... 😁
Probably already had connection at another PD in case something like this happened. The LA county sheriffs department has 13 gangs represented by their deputies according to an investigation done by the DOJ . "Pack your bags honey. We are moving to LA ""
I grew up in San Antonio. I went through the school system in San Antonio. I love San Antonio. And you could not pay me enough money to go back home and live there the way it is now.
@@carloscontreras3633 No, unions are good for workers, we need unions so bosses like this idiot police chief are held accountable for making bad firing decisions
Exactly. In so many of these cases where racist or corrupt cops are found accountable enough to (only) lose their jobs, they are rarely charged with any crime that can stop them from going to the next city or county over in their state and getting hired there, by a department with lower scruples and standards.
Qualified immunity has GOT TO GO!!!! Police should have the *highest* standards of personal conduct, not get a pass on assault, battery and murder, and falsifying records in the performance of their duty.
I mean when it comes to SAPD was he really the worst guy. You got the chick officer that beat a pregnant woman you got officer Rios causing all kinds of drunken road rage incidents and shooting people i think the guy that said some words while disgusting certainly not the worst of this department that the chief has defended from prosecution.
This guy should not in any way be a police officer. Just by looking at him he needs some serious anger management. All of his arrests should be reviewed or thrown out completely.
If that arbitrator reinstates that bag of crap, the chief needs to assign him permanently to the property room with no gun, no police powers, and no overtime. He should never be allowed to be in contact with the public ever again.
*"On February 25, 2022, Officer Lee Biegert, who had worked for SAPD since 2006, was reinstated to the department by a third-party arbitrator. A year after he was terminated, his termination was reduced to a 90-day suspension with full back pay minus the 90-day suspension."*
What a bunch BS! If this cop crossed the blue line and blew the whistle on a coworker. No arbiter would get his job back. The arbitrator process is a smoke screen for us and nothing more!
There's a always a reason they do what they do isn't there? If they aren't fearing for their lives, victims were resisting arrest, combative now they are grieving
Arbitrators will usually side for the police because they want to be requested by the police union again and again. If the police union know the arbitrator is police friendly they are more likely to request them. Arbitrators get paid a lot of money by the City for their work.
The grieving process usually causes a person to be more empathetic, compassionate and sensitive towards others. Unless you're a psychopath, in which case you are incapable of grief, but will certainly use the excuse to explain your callous actions.
The fact the this person believes he should have the privilege to police the community speaks volumes on how clueless he remains. If he does get reinstated he needs to be directed to the rubber gun detail and file reports.
At least the Officer was starting the Grief process...but one suspects that the losses were more than just 'concrete' losses...put the Shame that is an intimate component of grief on the table.
That’s a definitely hell no to reinstatement him the racist cop . Respect to the chief for standing his ground and doing the right thing by firing the cop
If he lashed out verbally while off duty, what makes him think that he won’t lash out physically or shoot a random person while on duty? He should have his law enforcement license, or whatever it’s called, revoked.
What's that old line - A Tiger can't change its stripes. Don't let him back. A Racist will be a Racist. Certainly not someone I'de want to see in Uniform.
Once a police officer is fired, that should be it. The decision should not be passed to an arbitrator and possibly get the officer's job back. If the department makes the decision to discharge an errant cop that cop should be ostracized and his police academy certificate rescinded so he/she can never enforce the law in that state ever again.
What a shame for the states to even be literally considering to bring someone like this back onto the force. Your just asking for trouble and a lawsuit that citizens will have to pay for. Officers are to be held to the highest of standards whether active or not.
A great reason to end qualified immunity. As police chief's start standing up for the oath they took and start cleaning house of crooked, racist and corrupt employees, the country will get back to liking law enforcement. Chief needs a raise and support from everyone. People like this officer can't be trusted to defend the public, needs to never be a cop again.
Arbitration is largely the cause of bad cops getting bolder and bolder. Arbitrators fear ruling against unions because they will get blackballed. To prevent that, the Arbitrator will often rule that the PD was correct in disciplining the officer, but termination was too severe of a punishment. This split the baby mentality for job security is why this cop will likely get his job back.
In most cases that is the proper ruling. The chief decided to go with firing after his own disciplinary panel recommended only a written reprimand. This officer should not have been fired to begin with. There is no history of bias policing on his part, no history of corruption or misconduct, this was a private dispute not involving and of his duties as a police officer, and the woman complaining didn’t even know he was a cop until another person called her to complain about the same problem that led to Biegert complaining and mentioned off hand he was a cop. So there was no connection to his actual job, she wasn’t threatened with police action, she didn’t initially even know he was a cop, there was an emotional dispute involving visitation to a recently dead relatives grave. All these things lead to a one time emotional incident for an officer with an otherwise clean record and it’s doubtful whether this should’ve warranted discipline at all. Firing was definitely over the line. The reason we have arbitration is because of pansy liberals like this police chief who throw officers under the bus to satisfy political constituencies. Thankfully we have a society where cops are subject to what Al Sharpton type hustlers want
@@eriknervik9003 I follow most of what you said. But the problem is that he now has a record of racist behavior, and it can impact his ability to be perceived as a neutral in enforcing the law. I agree that it did not occur in the line of duty, but there is a long line ion cases discussing a government entity's need to be able to regulate the workplace inspire of free speech limitations. Hate speech is also protected speech as long as it does not come with treats (or suggestions that others should engage in) of acts of violence. And the reason why we have arbitrations is because of powerful police unions that dread civilian oversight of personnel matters.
@@brianjackson5732 Arbitration is civilian oversight, arbitrators are not police officers, they’re more like administrative law judges who are trained in the appropriate laws and regulations and are agreed upon by the two contracting parties for this purpose. So called civilian review boards are not very good because typically they’re formed in liberal cities and will always get staffed by professional anti cop activists, but the imagine they want to project is that the civilian review board is just regular people like a jury, but most normal taxpayers don’t have the extra time in their day to serve on a review board so it ends up being activists or political appointees. I think a system with professional arbitrators is far better, and in fact that’s how most unions in the private sector work too. I am a member of the teamsters, if I am fired by my warehousing employer the teamsters can represent me at a professional arbitrator. People who complain about racism are always going to do that whether the officer has history of it or not. The standard in any event is not if the officer is personally racist, but if the action violates the complainants rights under the law or if they were treated differently because of their ethnicity or race or whatever. sure a future suspect can try to bring it up in a department complaint or in court, but here’s the deal right, imagine you’re on the jury, you’re on a case where a shoplifter is a Hispanic female, and she’s on camera stealing the merchandise, and the store manager and security guard saw the theft, and this particular cop is the one who comes to the store to actually write the report and cite her for shoplifting. Are you going to buy a claim this was a racially motivated charge because in one personal argument he called a funeral director who’s employee denied access to a grave a “mexicunt” I agree it’s bad to do that and I wouldn’t use that language, but let’s be clear, in todays world you almost never have to take a cops word for anything anymore because they’re all wearing cameras, so really it’s not a big deal
@@eriknervik9003 that's not civilian oversight. Arbitrators are lawyers like myself, and some are retired judges. I agree that these individuals are better equipped to interpret the just cause provision of the CBA. But these individuals can be pressured through blackballing; whereas, civilian oversight is not subject to the approval of the union or employer. These are the civilians being policed by officers in their communities, not persons on a panel living who knows where. You have oversimplified the issue of neutrality. A great deal of a policeman's actions are based on judgement calls. That judgment is hard to call into question if you don't have a history of racists actions. Simply saying that people are going to complain anyway does not address the issue. Reasonable minorities don't want someone like David Duke policing them anymore than reasonable white people don't want someone like Malcom X policing them. People want level headed individuals, not bigots, with guns and arrest powers. I agree that this officer was in a stressful situation, but stressful situations are the life of a policeman.
@@brianjackson5732 Well it may be true that most of a policeman’s actions are judgment calls, and having a record of biased judgments may be an issue, there is nothing to suggest it in this case. The police chief who fired him didn’t even raise that as an issue, so we can argue hypotheticals, but in a specific case involving a specific person in a specific instance justice requires we view those facts as presented by the parties and judge their validity and truthfulness on that basis. Like if there was black police officer who liked Malcolm X and on his private time and personal life was making arguments about how Malcom X was a great guy for whatever reason, I as a white guy would not support removing his livliehood for him and his family over that. And I take the position that if that came out in a complaint over his official actions I would first want to know if such actions were legal before moving forward on that. Like if Officer Huey Newton stopped a white guy for doing 20 over the limit and wrote him up for doing 10 over or whatever that’s perfectly legal as long as there was reasonable cause and I don’t think that’s misconduct. But we don’t even need to go there because this was a completely private dispute, and even his words, while wrong, do not indicate he has problems with Hispanics broadly, it seems like an effort to hurt this woman’s feelings out of frustration that she’s not taking his complaints about whatever the issue was seriously. All the news reports I can find on the arbitration hearing indicate he has no actual history of bias policing, and so I don’t think firing was the appropriate step. And while I am white, I live in a majority Latino neighborhood, my wife is Mexican American, I have been welcomed into her family with open arms, I am not unsympathetic to Latinos who perceive discrimination, it’s opened my eyes greatly, but that being said, if I’m looking at this as objectively as possible. This was an a one time emotional outburst, not on the job, not involving his employment in any way, and doesn’t even really establish a broad prejudice and so I think the recommendation of the original disciplinary panel for a written reprimand was the appropriate action from the start, instead this episode has costed him probably 10s of thousands of dollars, because they reinstated him with a 90 day suspension, meaning his back pay which would not include overtime already would be docked for 90 days, that’s a steep price to pay for losing your cool in a one time episode. I don’t see where the public wasn’t even injured, and he probably won’t do it again after this.
the judicial system is the only job i know that a person can possibly force that employer to give them their position back thru the court system for blatantly violating employer/employee policy or law with undisputed evidence.. 🐧
This is just common PR swindling the public into believing this PD is open book and works to serve and protect the community, when in reality this cop will probably be hired back.
This is why the public needs to be in charge of who is allowed to serve on their own law enforcement institutions and not the police depts, police unions, public officials, etc. The police are public servants paid for by citizens to protect and serve the community. WE ARE THEIR BOSS, not the other way around. We should always have the final say whether or not an officer should be hired/fired. Civilian Oversight committees need to be in place in every district across the entire U.S. They should receive recommendations from the dept, and then make a final determination on subjects such as hiring, firing, discipline, dept policy and budget. If the majority of the community agrees on a particular issue, that should be the end of it. There is NO legitimate reason for law enforcement institutions to be forcing corrupt decisions on the public who employs them.
You can't fix psychopaths, so why would you even want someone like this in any public service job? The police union is a big part of the problem. Hiring psychopaths in the first place is also a big issue.
How could the police department even think about giving this cop his job back . When the cops and there union gets there way , make all there way including the payout to the citizens.
The fact that it takes this much level of a process to get rid of someone, is questionable? The process in the Military to discharge an individual is a process as well, but nothing like this. I've seen soldiers get discharge as quick as two months and some took about a year. It's all on JAG, if the punitive paperwork is good, and if JAG is are your side.
Who's department is this? These L.E.A.'s belong to the people and their elected representatives-- not a union or "arbiter". I wish I had a job were I could behave outrageously and unprofessionally, and still have an arbiter decide what my fate should be!!
I agree with the chief. No place on any police force for a person like that.
A reflection of the department. They trained him and hired him
Still got his job back
@@karenbrown7500 where does it say he got his job back?
@@madmaximilian5783 "A San Antonio Police Department officer fired last year for directing a racist and sexist tirade toward a funeral home director has won back his job, city officials confirmed Friday. Officer Lee Biegert, who had worked for SAPD since 2006, was reinstated to the department by a third-party arbitrator, a year after he was terminated for the expletive-filled barrage. The arbitrator shortened Biegert’s indefinite suspension to 90 days, and concluded that the officer’s punishment was not in line with similar SAPD incidents." From the KSAT website, dated Feb 25, 2022.
So the arbitrator decided that since this kind of thing happens enough in that police department that a de facto expected punishment has already been established for police acting as Biegert did, that it's unfair for Biegert to be fired, because all the other cops who have done the same thing got a slap on the wrist.
LOL, the chief says he won't accept this type of behavior, like Biegert's. Maybe the chief should already have been cleaning house, weeding out the bad cops (yes, I know, they'd have to start over with no cops at all), and establishing discipline that actually meant something about it before Beigert, because since it was never punished severely in the past, it can't be severely punished now. The poor little snowflake cops in America, imagine if they actually had to be held to the consequences for their actions. That would be horrible! Those poor widdle coppies....
@@thelastbreed91You get trained to go on racist rants? or did you crap that out like a dullard
He should not only be fired, he should also have his law enforcement credentials revoked by the state.
I’m sure he will. Tcole (Texas licensing ) is extremely strict now
So apparently the cop got angry that his father died and didn't know where to put his rage. So he called the Hispanic lady a lot of bad racial slurs? I think that was what I was getting at. I wonder if the Hispanic funeral home director did something unprofessional to him to where he got super ticked off? If that was the case the cop guy should had made a complaint to the Funeral Home Property owners instead of arguing with idiots. Seems like some information was left out a lot on why the cop guy suddenly went nuts.
@@coolgamers2794 no excuses for his behavior as a corrupt cop he needs to work for circus if that how he wants to act.
@@coolgamers2794 I wouldn't waste a second defending a misogynistic racist. There's much better hobbies.
He got his job back actually. Ridiculous decision.
Thank you for trying to clean up your police department, those types of people don't need to carry a gun with the freedom to kill and get away with it.
And the countless other fuckheads that he's allowing to be in law enforcement.
unreal that someone like that can be allowed to return to serve the public
Sadly it’s not. We see too much evidence of this kind of behavior every day, in every state.
We can thank the police benevolent society (union) for this and for other maniacs who have been returned to the force.
@@mikeelek9713 he was reinstated... for the second time
The arbitrator wants to give it a few months for everything to calm down so that he or she can reinstate the officer. They seem to do this often, even against the departments wishes. These unions have got to go.
Information is heavily left out of here. Was the cop guy provoked into responding with racial slurs? Or did he just suddenly snapped? The news media left out a lot of information.
@@coolgamers2794 making excuses for the inexcusable? Brilliant 👍🏾
@@VoidDragon82 San Antonio is heavy Democrat far left governed. The media lies. If the Officer truly screwed up; he wouldn't even have a chance to attempt to be reinstated. Media is lying as heck even though the Officer did say those harsh words.
@@coolgamers2794 "...provoked into responding with racial slurs".....dafuq you talking about? You can provoked into being angry, you gotta already be a racist to be 'provoked' into saying racist things.
Do not reinstate that corrupted coward, u can imagine what he does on the streets, and how he talk to the citizen, how many times has this happened? He's high risk and going to cost that city or county a lot of money by being corrupted.😵💫😵👹👺😈💩😤🤯🐖😡🤬
Man, the chiefs statement makes me want to be the best citizen of San Antonio I can be.
That chief is amazing, he is a hero for standin up for his citizens, his integrety.
Chief if he comes back ... offer him a chair in the hallway of your holding cel and keep him buried away of your citizens. I bet he won't stay long ... 😁
He no better then any one else
I say no he doesn’t deserve his job back He doesn’t belong in The SanAntonio police Department.
Well, gah damn! Let’s go chief! Bout fkn time!
If he doesn't get reinstated, he'll be working for a town within 20 minutes of his house within a month.
Probably already had connection at another PD in case something like this happened. The LA county sheriffs department has 13 gangs represented by their deputies according to an investigation done by the DOJ . "Pack your bags honey. We are moving to LA ""
You have to respect that chief. He has the standards that we truly need more of. I for one is truly proud of him.
Freedom of speech. I would sue if you didn’t allow me to call someone a monkey chicken eating baboon
Guarantee he only acted this way because it came into public light. If he knew when the public didn’t, he’d keep his pig-mouth closed 100%.
Maybe
Absolutely.
Lol, he’s just costing the city money be pursuing unlawful firings for political reasons
Good that they fired that POS, I hope he doesn't get his job back.
I grew up in San Antonio. I went through the school system in San Antonio. I love San Antonio. And you could not pay me enough money to go back home and live there the way it is now.
This Chief is amazing!! He don’t take any of that Sh!t from his officers and I love it!!! We need more like this amazing man!!! ❤️❤️
Agree
Who thinks this is the first time super trooper has treated a citizen like this??????
Respect for the chief. And I'm surprised this segment did not play anything that the fired officer said during the arbitration.
😆 chief should be fired. He sucks at his job but police can do no wrong in peasants eyes
@@thelastbreed91 I agree with you. Get rid of the unions.
@@carloscontreras3633
No, unions are good for workers, we need unions so bosses like this idiot police chief are held accountable for making bad firing decisions
Good job chief 👍now to have a data bank for fired officers, for, aggression, abuse, etc so officers like this never work for departments
I just read that this POS got his job back.Can u believe that BS.
Exactly. In so many of these cases where racist or corrupt cops are found accountable enough to (only) lose their jobs, they are rarely charged with any crime that can stop them from going to the next city or county over in their state and getting hired there, by a department with lower scruples and standards.
Qualified immunity has GOT TO GO!!!! Police should have the *highest* standards of personal conduct, not get a pass on assault, battery and murder, and falsifying records in the performance of their duty.
Cry me a river. He wouldn’t talk to another man like that. What a coward smh.
Yes he would because he was fired in 2019 for using the N word at black male suspect. Oh he won his job back in that one and for this one
How do we contact the arbitrator as a community to express our disgust and displeasure?
in 2019 he was fired for using the N word and got his job back
You can't
@@niyablake
No, Biegert was not fired for using the N-word. That was a different officer who won an arbitration
Imagine he got a gun and a badge he’s dangerous I pray he never ever own a gun
I mean when it comes to SAPD was he really the worst guy. You got the chick officer that beat a pregnant woman you got officer Rios causing all kinds of drunken road rage incidents and shooting people i think the guy that said some words while disgusting certainly not the worst of this department that the chief has defended from prosecution.
This guy should not in any way be a police officer. Just by looking at him he needs some serious anger management. All of his arrests should be reviewed or thrown out completely.
Bring him back if you don’t care about the community. Accountability and leadership matters
They fired him in 2019 and brought him him back. Oh and the brought him back
Should never be a cop anywhere again.
Cities are to blame for negotiating contracts that allow arbitration.
Good on you, McManus!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Has a whistle blower ever got their job back? NO!
This racist officer should be blacklisted from working in any type of law enforcement agency or public office across our nation for life.
Absolutely agree with the chief. No one like that should be a officer.
If that arbitrator reinstates that bag of crap, the chief needs to assign him permanently to the property room with no gun, no police powers, and no overtime. He should never be allowed to be in contact with the public ever again.
*"On February 25, 2022, Officer Lee Biegert, who had worked for SAPD since 2006, was reinstated to the department by a third-party arbitrator. A year after he was terminated, his termination was reduced to a 90-day suspension with full back pay minus the 90-day suspension."*
I like this Chief! He isn't playing with these corrupt cops!
What a bunch BS!
If this cop crossed the blue line and blew the whistle on a coworker. No arbiter would get his job back. The arbitrator process is a smoke screen for us and nothing more!
Thanks Chief!
I was upset so that makes it OK???? What are the chances that a cop would ever be upset in the future?
Thank you Chief, perhaps cops need to be held accountable. This is a start!
To bad he got his job back. I have no clue how because he was fired in 2019 for using racial slurs.
There's a always a reason they do what they do isn't there? If they aren't fearing for their lives, victims were resisting arrest, combative now they are grieving
WELL DONE CHIEF! 👏🏻 THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING AND NOT JUST "PROTECTING ONE OF YOUR OFFICERS" LIKE ALOT OF DEPARTMENTS DO!
Arbitrators will usually side for the police because they want to be requested by the police union again and again. If the police union know the arbitrator is police friendly they are more likely to request them. Arbitrators get paid a lot of money by the City for their work.
Right is right and wrong is wrong, this is what that is
You know this is a bad sign when the Police Chief spends a lot of time in Arbitration Court
Very professional chief..
Desertification of law enforcement officers should be nationwide!
The grieving process usually causes a person to be more empathetic, compassionate and sensitive towards others. Unless you're a psychopath, in which case you are incapable of grief, but will certainly use the excuse to explain your callous actions.
He was fired in 2019 for using racial slurs and got his job back. I'd say that this is a pattern. Oh he got his job back
Crazy that not wanting to be around racists is now “political”
How did we get here?
The police union normally has input into the choosing of the " independent arbitrator". So expect the racist to get his job back.
They should no go back and review all his arrest on Mexican individual’s
He has no history of bias policing and the arbitration panel heard character testimony from a Latina officer
Several months for the panel to decide the outcome???? WHY???
The fact the this person believes he should have the privilege to police the community speaks volumes on how clueless he remains. If he does get reinstated he needs to be directed to the rubber gun detail and file reports.
Hopefully he isn't being paid during the arbitration process and if he does win the he should be re-employed cleaning out the restrooms
At least the Officer was starting the Grief process...but one suspects that the losses were more than just 'concrete' losses...put the Shame that is an intimate component of grief on the table.
That’s a definitely hell no to reinstatement him the racist cop . Respect to the chief for standing his ground and doing the right thing by firing the cop
If he lashed out verbally while off duty, what makes him think that he won’t lash out physically or shoot a random person while on duty? He should have his law enforcement license, or whatever it’s called, revoked.
Ooh I can answer that one. In 2019 he was fired for calling a black suspect the N word .
Why is it so hard to fire a bad cop?
I have lost a many people that I heal close to my heart and like the chief I have NEVER lashed out against anyone in a racist, sexist tirade
Anybody stands up for that guy needs to be fired too
The verdict should NOT take several minutes.
Why would it take MONTHS? It should be the time that 's needed to do the paperwork to have the guy removed.
Nope but the audacity though the whole thing.
No room for racism good job Chief
When I worked as a public employee, my boss said it takes an act of GOD to fire a public employee.
If that was a normal person and not a copper a normal person would be arrested for racist abuse in the UK it comes under assault madness
He looks like an angry dude still….fidgeting in his chair🤷🏻♀️
What's that old line - A Tiger can't change its stripes. Don't let him back. A Racist will be a Racist. Certainly not someone I'de want to see in Uniform.
That cop is in the wrong city...
Privilege punk should never ever be employed in law enforcement
Once a police officer is fired, that should be it. The decision should not be passed to an arbitrator and possibly get the officer's job back. If the department makes the decision to discharge an errant cop that cop should be ostracized and his police academy certificate rescinded so he/she can never enforce the law in that state ever again.
What a shame for the states to even be literally considering to bring someone like this back onto the force. Your just asking for trouble and a lawsuit that citizens will have to pay for. Officers are to be held to the highest of standards whether active or not.
A database needs to be made for law enforcement so bad cops never work in law enforcement ever again in America!!!
A great reason to end qualified immunity. As police chief's start standing up for the oath they took and start cleaning house of crooked, racist and corrupt employees, the country will get back to liking law enforcement. Chief needs a raise and support from everyone. People like this officer can't be trusted to defend the public, needs to never be a cop again.
Arbitration is largely the cause of bad cops getting bolder and bolder. Arbitrators fear ruling against unions because they will get blackballed. To prevent that, the Arbitrator will often rule that the PD was correct in disciplining the officer, but termination was too severe of a punishment. This split the baby mentality for job security is why this cop will likely get his job back.
In most cases that is the proper ruling.
The chief decided to go with firing after his own disciplinary panel recommended only a written reprimand.
This officer should not have been fired to begin with. There is no history of bias policing on his part, no history of corruption or misconduct, this was a private dispute not involving and of his duties as a police officer, and the woman complaining didn’t even know he was a cop until another person called her to complain about the same problem that led to Biegert complaining and mentioned off hand he was a cop.
So there was no connection to his actual job, she wasn’t threatened with police action, she didn’t initially even know he was a cop, there was an emotional dispute involving visitation to a recently dead relatives grave. All these things lead to a one time emotional incident for an officer with an otherwise clean record and it’s doubtful whether this should’ve warranted discipline at all. Firing was definitely over the line.
The reason we have arbitration is because of pansy liberals like this police chief who throw officers under the bus to satisfy political constituencies. Thankfully we have a society where cops are subject to what Al Sharpton type hustlers want
@@eriknervik9003 I follow most of what you said. But the problem is that he now has a record of racist behavior, and it can impact his ability to be perceived as a neutral in enforcing the law. I agree that it did not occur in the line of duty, but there is a long line ion cases discussing a government entity's need to be able to regulate the workplace inspire of free speech limitations. Hate speech is also protected speech as long as it does not come with treats (or suggestions that others should engage in) of acts of violence. And the reason why we have arbitrations is because of powerful police unions that dread civilian oversight of personnel matters.
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Arbitration is civilian oversight, arbitrators are not police officers, they’re more like administrative law judges who are trained in the appropriate laws and regulations and are agreed upon by the two contracting parties for this purpose. So called civilian review boards are not very good because typically they’re formed in liberal cities and will always get staffed by professional anti cop activists, but the imagine they want to project is that the civilian review board is just regular people like a jury, but most normal taxpayers don’t have the extra time in their day to serve on a review board so it ends up being activists or political appointees. I think a system with professional arbitrators is far better, and in fact that’s how most unions in the private sector work too. I am a member of the teamsters, if I am fired by my warehousing employer the teamsters can represent me at a professional arbitrator.
People who complain about racism are always going to do that whether the officer has history of it or not. The standard in any event is not if the officer is personally racist, but if the action violates the complainants rights under the law or if they were treated differently because of their ethnicity or race or whatever. sure a future suspect can try to bring it up in a department complaint or in court, but here’s the deal right, imagine you’re on the jury, you’re on a case where a shoplifter is a Hispanic female, and she’s on camera stealing the merchandise, and the store manager and security guard saw the theft, and this particular cop is the one who comes to the store to actually write the report and cite her for shoplifting. Are you going to buy a claim this was a racially motivated charge because in one personal argument he called a funeral director who’s employee denied access to a grave a “mexicunt”
I agree it’s bad to do that and I wouldn’t use that language, but let’s be clear, in todays world you almost never have to take a cops word for anything anymore because they’re all wearing cameras, so really it’s not a big deal
@@eriknervik9003 that's not civilian oversight. Arbitrators are lawyers like myself, and some are retired judges. I agree that these individuals are better equipped to interpret the just cause provision of the CBA. But these individuals can be pressured through blackballing; whereas, civilian oversight is not subject to the approval of the union or employer. These are the civilians being policed by officers in their communities, not persons on a panel living who knows where.
You have oversimplified the issue of neutrality. A great deal of a policeman's actions are based on judgement calls. That judgment is hard to call into question if you don't have a history of racists actions. Simply saying that people are going to complain anyway does not address the issue. Reasonable minorities don't want someone like David Duke policing them anymore than reasonable white people don't want someone like Malcom X policing them. People want level headed individuals, not bigots, with guns and arrest powers. I agree that this officer was in a stressful situation, but stressful situations are the life of a policeman.
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Well it may be true that most of a policeman’s actions are judgment calls, and having a record of biased judgments may be an issue, there is nothing to suggest it in this case. The police chief who fired him didn’t even raise that as an issue, so we can argue hypotheticals, but in a specific case involving a specific person in a specific instance justice requires we view those facts as presented by the parties and judge their validity and truthfulness on that basis.
Like if there was black police officer who liked Malcolm X and on his private time and personal life was making arguments about how Malcom X was a great guy for whatever reason, I as a white guy would not support removing his livliehood for him and his family over that. And I take the position that if that came out in a complaint over his official actions I would first want to know if such actions were legal before moving forward on that. Like if Officer Huey Newton stopped a white guy for doing 20 over the limit and wrote him up for doing 10 over or whatever that’s perfectly legal as long as there was reasonable cause and I don’t think that’s misconduct.
But we don’t even need to go there because this was a completely private dispute, and even his words, while wrong, do not indicate he has problems with Hispanics broadly, it seems like an effort to hurt this woman’s feelings out of frustration that she’s not taking his complaints about whatever the issue was seriously. All the news reports I can find on the arbitration hearing indicate he has no actual history of bias policing, and so I don’t think firing was the appropriate step.
And while I am white, I live in a majority Latino neighborhood, my wife is Mexican American, I have been welcomed into her family with open arms, I am not unsympathetic to Latinos who perceive discrimination, it’s opened my eyes greatly, but that being said, if I’m looking at this as objectively as possible. This was an a one time emotional outburst, not on the job, not involving his employment in any way, and doesn’t even really establish a broad prejudice and so I think the recommendation of the original disciplinary panel for a written reprimand was the appropriate action from the start, instead this episode has costed him probably 10s of thousands of dollars, because they reinstated him with a 90 day suspension, meaning his back pay which would not include overtime already would be docked for 90 days, that’s a steep price to pay for losing your cool in a one time episode. I don’t see where the public wasn’t even injured, and he probably won’t do it again after this.
The lack of shame he has is astonishing. To rightfully be fired and fight it when your obviously in the wrong is childish and moronic
That’s because he’s a childish moron.
But he’ll keep Marvin Sanders on the force after he cost the city 9 1/2 million dollars😂😂😂
McManus is such a good chief
the judicial system is the only job i know that a person can possibly force that employer to give them their position back thru the court system for blatantly violating employer/employee policy or law with undisputed evidence.. 🐧
Why do government things take 10 times longer than necessary?
It is ashame the union supports the rehire of officers like this one.
My parents died two weeks apart . I nor my siblings went racial or sexist on the people involved in their funerals . No one even yelled .
What’s with the click bate title smh
I'd bet he has ruined many lives in his time and cost taxpayers money 💰
That’s a respectable chief 🤙🏽🔥
No reinstatement.
Fire the cheif too, he hired him....
This is just common PR swindling the public into believing this PD is open book and works to serve and protect the community, when in reality this cop will probably be hired back.
I also became an angry, misogynistic racist when my dad died. Actually no, I didn’t.
He got his job back . . . I would hope the Chief put on telephone duty for the remainder of his career
This is why the public needs to be in charge of who is allowed to serve on their own law enforcement institutions and not the police depts, police unions, public officials, etc. The police are public servants paid for by citizens to protect and serve the community. WE ARE THEIR BOSS, not the other way around. We should always have the final say whether or not an officer should be hired/fired.
Civilian Oversight committees need to be in place in every district across the entire U.S. They should receive recommendations from the dept, and then make a final determination on subjects such as hiring, firing, discipline, dept policy and budget. If the majority of the community agrees on a particular issue, that should be the end of it. There is NO legitimate reason for law enforcement institutions to be forcing corrupt decisions on the public who employs them.
You can't fix psychopaths, so why would you even want someone like this in any public service job? The police union is a big part of the problem. Hiring psychopaths in the first place is also a big issue.
He is back... Typical BS. Officer lee Beigert is typical of SAPD officers who get fired and the unions get his job back.
Bravo bravo to the Police Chief 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👍
This is a typical behavior with the cops this days..!
My mother died two months ago. I don't recall spewing racial slurs at the funeral director. Then again, I'm not a Trump voter.
What this guy do not be tolerate. When you not have respect for others.
There’s 2 racist in this thread!🤔
Being an officer is a privilege, not a right. He can get another job that doesn't include a badge of public trust.
no. he should not get his job back.
How could the police department even think about giving this cop his job back . When the cops and there union gets there way , make all there way including the payout to the citizens.
The fact that it takes this much level of a process to get rid of someone, is questionable? The process in the Military to discharge an individual is a process as well, but nothing like this. I've seen soldiers get discharge as quick as two months and some took about a year. It's all on JAG, if the punitive paperwork is good, and if JAG is are your side.
Who's department is this? These L.E.A.'s belong to the people and their elected representatives-- not a union or "arbiter". I wish I had a job were I could behave outrageously and unprofessionally, and still have an arbiter decide what my fate should be!!
Fire him bad seed
If a hot head while grieving how bad does it get when doing the usual challenges of the job? Geez
He'll just go to another county.