My Sunday Orchid Chat - Oncidium Types
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- There are quite a few genera that make up the 'Oncidium Alliance'. Some of these and the associated 'intergenerics' are often sold with no name. Often, the blooms themselves will give us a clue which can help with their culture. The bottom line is that there are no easy or difficult orchids but what can be difficult is getting their environmental requirements just right.
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I haven't watched all your videos yet, but I think this is one of my favorites. I love how you compared and contrasted the plants and talked about what traits they got from their parent...very interesting. I could have watched that for another hour easy. I didn't realize I was commenting as Clock Man...I usually comment as myself, Matthew Condon.
Very informative- fascinating! Not often you find expert advice given with such enthusiasm! One can tell
He really cares for his plants and that makes all the difference.
I always enjoy your videos. This one is #1 for me, identifying some "pretty" flowers that ensure that the plants will be giants. I have several cute orchids that will no longer surprise me.
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Love the video, learn a bunch about the oncydium family, thanks Roger👍🏼
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For a newcomer like me this was so interesting, thank you very much Roger, I learned a lot :)
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I love all your videos, Roger. But, this one is extraordinary, NOT too long and very educational. Since I live in South Central Texas, I am now forewarned about Miltoniopsis. Thanks for coming all that way to help me out!
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This was one fantastic Sunday Chat!!! Thanks so much Roger!!
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Loved this Roger. I learned a few things about oncidiums ! Thanks much
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I thoroughly enjoyed this chat!!! The information you gave was quite enlightening. This one will definitely go in my saved file. I also think this would make a great “talk” for you to give to a slightly more advanced beginner. The flow and comparisons were spot on. Thank you so very much.
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Great video , analysis, and information Roger.
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"Thats not going to be easy to grow, but I am able to grow it" is the best quote ever!!! And now my new Motto. @ 30:28 in the video.
It will need extra care - especially with watering/feeding.
Realy helpful information!! Thank you! 😃
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Nice haircut Roger! Looking sharp 😊.
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Really interesting showing which ones grow into very large plants and handy for me to know as I'm rapidly running out of space lol. Methinks I won't be getting any of those unless I win the lottery and can have a house dedicated only to orchids 🤣🤣.
Wow.it nice video
Morning Roger
Today was a good day. Roger in the morning rugby in tbe P.M.
Now if only we can find the 'real' England team!
@@GrowingOrchidswithRoger I hope they find them before the next game
great talk Roger!
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Great chat! Sorry about the Miltoniopsis roezlii - what a beautiful bloom! Such a shame for the plant to go down like that.
I would have thought Zygo’s would be on your ‘most difficult’ list. I have two that are not doing as well as I first thought. New growths undersized but starting yet another one each...
My Miltoniopsis Herr Alexandre lost all its roots after repotting a couple of months ago so I stuck its 3 skinny bulbs and sickly new growth in a tiny pot with sphagnum moss and hoped for some new roots. With the summer really kicking in I wasn’t hopeful but it’s got lots of new roots and two new growths! Long may it continue to be so vigorous! The temps have been 25C up to 30 for a couple of weeks now but down to 15 overnight - I guess that is keeping its average in a tolerable place.
It’s getting quite high light I must say - up there with my nobile...how can you tell if it’s getting too much light? It has those silvery green leaves maybe a little paler than your hybrid in the video.
Shame about the roezlii, we all know how fond of the yellow ones you are. Some time last year some Colombian nursery imported a large number of them to the US which they sold on to several american orchid nurseries, so there's been quite a few available here the past few months. I managed to get one with 5(!) spikes on it at a show in early November. Very nice fragrance, but a slooooow grower. Hopefully the nursery that produced mine decides to take some to the UK so you can replace the poor one you lost!
There are two companies that come to the EU from South America (Ecuador and Peru). Maybe one of those could get one to me?
Thanks for the information packed Sunday chat. So sorry for your loss.
Thanks for sharing, sorry for the last miltoniopsis
Thank you!!!! You are a good teacher!!! I am so glad I found your channel! I'm in USA, South Carolina.
Great talk 😁
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I love oncidiums... thanks for the video. How about a spotlight video on that beautiful Laelia anceps before the blooms are spent.
I'll see what I can do.....
@@GrowingOrchidswithRoger Thanks... my daughter and I are longtime fans of your channel - - we love your Sunday Morning chats the best - - Happy growing!
Thank you!!
So sorry about the Miltoniopsis . I have not tried any species in the kitchen window, don't think the humidity would be high enough.
Love this video! Would you do a video on what to do when oncidiums grow up out of the middle of the pot.
Sandy Reinard i would love a video on oncidiums growing up in the middle of the pot! I have several!
I'll see what I can do.....
One of my favorite talks so far! I am very guilty of buying the pretty picture. You taught me to slow down and look at the whole plant in addition. Thank you!
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Thanks for sharing you thoughts
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I need more Oncidiums in my collection, I think they could do quite well in South Africa. :)
14C night min. 28C day, good light but not too strong and around 65-70% humidity although most are tolerant of figures outside of those.
@@GrowingOrchidswithRoger That's pretty much my every day in Autumn/Spring/Summer. Winter is a bit different... I saw some Disas some time ago on Table Mountain growing in a stream and remembered you had some.
Yes!! I agreed with you!! Milt I had 5 and now just one now!!😢😢😢
I like the hair cut. Some great plants there. Thank you for sharing.
Had to be done - I was treading on it!
Thank you I love this talk because I have brassia oncidium and miltonias just great
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Great info! LOVE those Brassia giants! I just got a Brassidium (used to a Maclellanara) Yellow Star 'Golden Gambol'. My first brassia ever. Looking forward to it becoming a specimen one day.
Most Brassias are vigorous.
So sorry you lost your special plant!!
Sad for many reasons.
A good video Roger. My experience with the oncidium alliance is that, brassias really love water. They hate to dry out. Also when it come to name the type from how many leaves is on the top of the pseudobulbs, there are always a but! Miltonia Phymatochila only have 1 leave, and the color of the plant is olive green. The pseudobulbs are also different. The are almost circular. And slow groweing.
What's different here...? You got a hair cut! Yeah, species (some) can be a tad fussy I find.
Cheers, I have to get cracking in the garden!
Great video! I've started searching for videos of the orchids I plan to purchase to get a better idea of how large they are. I find a lot of photos still don't portray the size. I have a few brassia hybrids because I love the spider blooms but I can't fit many more big orchids.
Enjoyed the talk 👍🏼Sorry about your lost, especially an irreplaceable one. ☹️
Sorry for the loss. I just can’t grow miltoniopsis at all! Just lost one... don’t know if I should get another...
I've had one since February 2019. I've been tearing my hair out with it lol but after way too many repots in such a short space of time, I'm hoping I've finally got it right and it will be OK now. I've made many mistakes but if this one dies, I'm getting another as I just love them. So in answer to your question, yes... I would try again if you think you can identify what the problem was. Maybe it was just a weak plant and nothing you could've done would help. One more try definitely 😁😁.
If you can get one with good roots in some reasonable media, it will stand a better chance of acclimatising to your own environment before it needs disturbing.
Roger's Orchids thank you! yeah.... like you mentioned on your video, I need to spend a bit more extra and get one as healthy as possible... I am cheap so alway looking for “rescue” ones....
thanks for sharing I just got a miltonia: milt xenia x milt clowesii can't wait to see how it does in my environment got my fingers crossed
Good luck.
Oh no...sorry for your lose. At least you gave it a go . My comfort zone isn't that big. I have my eye on Brassia now. :)
The Brassias are some of the largest plants in the Oncidium Alliance.
Thank you Roger for the video I am guessing that Sharry Baby is part of the militonia family now that I have watched your video :) very informative and interesting. Thank you very much and Happy Growing! :)
Sharry Baby is an Oncidium.
Sorry about the lost miltoniopsis, that’s a shame. Hopefully you’ll find another one day and have better luck. Happy growing!
There is a South American company that sells it and they bring loads of plants each year to the EU to take round the shows. But all their orchids have to be bare-rooted for export. I doubt this one would live like that for long.
Roger's Orchids I’d be leery as well. I buy from a company down there as well on occasion and it is always stressful.
Some time you, or one of your followers may want to try grafting one of the failing pfants to a vigorous growing plant, It works well with cactus. If it works saving a rare species may ne possable.
Cattleya types can be fussy. They get blackrot during the rainy season....🤣🤣🤣. Sorry about the loss. But the miltoniopsis phalaenopsis looks healthy.
Wonderful and educational video Roger. I tend to stay away from those spidery orchids. Not because I simply don't like spiders, but I don't do well with them. Actually oncidium types are difficult for me, especially growing outside. I think they are kind of finicky, and most are sold growing in sphagnum moss. Ugh......
Goes to show how different people's environments are! They're the easiest for me (unless I get them already sick from the flower shop ... I think they just over-water them there, and then they have NO roots). I'm in similar "inside climate" as Roger, I believe. So it's the cool/cold types and phals that are trickier for me.
The main thing with Oncidiums is to keep healthy roots - allow to dry in between watering when not growing much and keep well watered when actively growing. So many over here are sold with very poor root systems that people get put off as the losses are high.
Nice orchids. Sorry for the orchid that died but you gave it a go. Where does the sharry baby fit in. I have a Oncidium Heaven Scent and it is still on the young side but it is doing well. Still waiting for a new growth or 2. I am thinking of doing a Brastonia in the near future however knowing now what I know now maybe not. Thank you for this video very educational.
Oncid. Sharry Baby should be quite an easy one to grow.
Hopefully one of your viewers will have a healthy yellow miltoniopsis and the den Victoria Regina of course to gift you
I doubt anyone will have the roezlii.
That Brassia hybrid (around the 15:00 mark), is that the one that used to be mounted?
What happened to your Odontoglossum naevium? I don't think we've seen than plant in a while.
That Brassia was dumped as it was the weakest one - it never really recovered from being un-mounted. The Odont. naevium is still around.
Bought a Bratonia Toscane last year (laaarge yellow spider blooms, intense scent --> floral with a strong hint of wood). It's okayish in size. Needs a repot because it's still in this coco crap from the vendor.
Desperately need one of those twinkles, tho.
The one orchid that looks the worst by far in my collection - surprise surprise - it's a Miltoniopsis. It's just remnants of bulbs with three tiny new growths that decided to stall. Horrible plant if you buy it and think you got a Miltonia (because it's written on the label) and treat it as such.
'Technically', Miltoniopsis are actually Miltonias but as they come from a different part of the world and have a different culture, the 5 or 6 species were given their own Genera - at least one is now extinct in the wild - maybe two?
Very interesting Roger, thank you for sharing. I have an Odontocidium Wildcat ''Bobcat'' -(that's on the label) its in the Oncidium types but I find names as Odontocidium, Colmanara and Oncostele …...all Wildcat Bobcat- very confusing - Odontocidium is supposed to be a cross between Odontoglossum and Oncidium - but Colmanara is Miltonia,odontoglossum and Oncidium - and Oncostele is Oncidium and Rhynchostele ………...a bit to much for me lol lol - any simple explanation?
The names are meaningful when first devised - but if you think that most of the Odontoglossums have been re-classified as Oncidiums, it will just make a joke of some of the names. There are also quite a few Oncidiums that have been moved too. (The 'Wildcats' have some good plants - Cheetah is a good one.)
I lived in a tropical climates (southern part of Peninsular Malaysia to be exact). temperature range between 32-34 during the day and only as low as 29 during the night. what kind of orchids that would thrive in my environment?
I've only started planting/caring for orchids for less than a year. I love oncidium's and cattleya's
Dendrobiums that naturally occur in that area, most Cattleya types, Vandas - anything that likes to stay warm.
@@GrowingOrchidswithRoger thank you.
How is the no smoking going?
I’m sorry about your one plant, I was really hoping it would pull through.
I have a question, what do you do when you have orchids (oncidium types) that want to climb out of the pot? I’m never sure how to repot them, you either end up burying the old pseudobulbs, or leave the new ones hanging over the media? I’m worried that the buried pseudobulbs will rot?
The 'climbing' Oncidium types are difficult. One way is to adjust the media - start with the plant low in the pot and as the new growths push away, add more media in that area. Older bulbs can end up below the media so use something like large bark in that area so it doesn't stay wet long and has plenty of air.
Roger's Orchids thanks, I’ll try that!
Laura Shadforth
Laura, it’s ok to remove the older bulbs on the end , that helps greatly. If you don’t want to throw them out you can try to grow them.
Lynn Brooks really?! OMG I hope my sister wants some orchids! 🤣
Good morning Roger, what have you to say about Twinkles and their environment? I noticed yours our mounted and are doing very well ...lovely. Please share your advice before I kill mine! I ordered online and they sent me a seedling. You suggested I keep it in moss. It has grown some but seems to have stalled. Also, looks like on one of it's tiny bulbs has a brown area. I hope it's not rot. I try to water it carefully. I had to toss my other Oncidium because I tested it and was positive for Cym virus. If my Twinkle dies I am done with Oncidiums for a while and will stick with Phalaenopsis !
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I am so sorry you loss that Miltoniopsis.I know it meant a lot to you.I hope you can find another one.
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Very interesting. Ironically, while watching your video I was repotting some very small oncidium bulbs. Have you ever noticed that some nurseries sell just single or double bulbs for plants? Sorry you lost that plant.