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Franz Schreker - Chamber Symphony (1916)

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  • Franz Schreker (originally Schrecker; 23 March 1878 - 21 March 1934) was an Austrian composer, conductor, teacher and administrator. Primarily a composer of operas, Schreker developed a style characterized by aesthetic plurality (a mixture of Romanticism, Naturalism, Symbolism, Impressionism, Expressionism and Neue Sachlichkeit), timbral experimentation, strategies of extended tonality and conception of total music theatre into the narrative of 20th-century music.
    Chamber Symphony (1916)
    Saint Paul Chamber Orchestra conducted by Edo de Waart
    Live recording January 8, 2011 Ordway Center, St. Paul

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  • @MaxLuetgendorff
    @MaxLuetgendorff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    This should be played way more often…!

  • @nostalgicmodernist1399
    @nostalgicmodernist1399 7 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    This is uncommonly lush and beautiful. I think I always am subconsciously worried that Schreker is going to be schrecklich, and then he turns out to be a gorgeous master-craftsman.

    • @cinematiccrisis
      @cinematiccrisis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well he was born as Schrecker, actually. But his music is schrecklich schön.

    • @lovettboston
      @lovettboston 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cinematiccrisis Yes, you would hardly describe the beginning of the symphony (in Rilke's words) as a "schrecklichen Anfang."

  • @robertwilkscomposer3726
    @robertwilkscomposer3726 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Absolutely gorgeous. Colorful, effective writing for the orchestra. It sounds like the ensemble is larger than chamber-size, but maybe it's just the way it was recorded.

    • @KrystofDreamJourney
      @KrystofDreamJourney หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think the ensemble is a slightly larger orchestra when it comes down to strings. I've analyzed this score. I also hear alternate woodwinds - some passages are certainly performed on alto flute (especially all those ones in lower register) with or without dove tailing with regular flute. So there must be two flute players. I hear very often E.H. instead of oboe especially in solo parts, so definitely two oboists. And so on...

  • @SpaghettiToaster
    @SpaghettiToaster 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Schreker is love, Schreker is life

    • @zalba5710
      @zalba5710 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This might be my favorite comment on the internet

  • @oboist3
    @oboist3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love this work, it is so passionate and joyous. I never fail to moved by it every time I hear it. A marvellous performance that captures the essence.

  • @nicholasfox966
    @nicholasfox966 7 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Why on earth is this not performed more often? It is one of the most beautiful pieces of music written in the 20th century.

    • @JohnBorstlap
      @JohnBorstlap 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      True. But in the thirties, and after the war, Schreker was condemned and written-out of music history because of his still 'romantic' aesthetics. It is sickening. Only over the last years his music experiences something of a come-back.

    • @kevinsimpson5178
      @kevinsimpson5178 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nicholas Fox ---- There's also a fine one by Francis Poulenc that you won't get to hear - because he suppressed it. Go figure.

  • @jacobtapianieto9655
    @jacobtapianieto9655 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Such a real Masterpiece!!

  • @1UShawn
    @1UShawn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This piece is amazing! The counterpoint highly chromatic, the theme development really late romantic German, the form is innovative, and what about the orchestration, splendid.

  • @-fb-8757
    @-fb-8757 7 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Surreal beginning, mahlerian development - very rich of colors.

  • @pats2942
    @pats2942 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I didn't know this live recording by De Waart. Absolutely stunning. Thanks so much to Bartje Bartmans.
    Nothing more to tell about the Kammersymphonie: just an extraordinary masterpiece

  • @ernestoferreri
    @ernestoferreri 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    You have to admire the flexibility, technically fabulous voice leading. Were it a minor work of the masters it would be well represented in performances.

  • @BalbirSingh-tt8rv
    @BalbirSingh-tt8rv 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks to Austria.Today is the birthday of Franz Schreker.It's a memorable chamber symphony.

  • @_rstcm
    @_rstcm ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow! The chamber orchestra is sounding so huge and lush! This Schreker guy must be a genius orchestrator like Ravel or Respighi or something.....

  • @Medtnaculuss
    @Medtnaculuss 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    My favourite! Thanks for uploading this!

  • @stevegibb1406
    @stevegibb1406 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Riverside Symphony Orch will be performing this piece at the Alice Tully Hall in NYC on Nov. 16, this year (2018). Wonderful piece!

  • @xanaduduo741
    @xanaduduo741 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    First became aware of Schreker through his lush opera 'the branded', but this was unknown to me, many thanks for posting - what a beautiful piece. Very much to be preferred to Schoenberg's two chamber symphonies (that's just my taste, although they were of course groundbreaking) - reminds me a little of that composer's Gurrelieder, which is another of my favourite works. Also has a Franz-Schmidt sound sometimes. This piece has a unique feel though in terms of some of its orchestration innovations. Thoroughly enjoyable. A composer sidelined by the Nazis (he was Jewish) , which is why his music was included in the 'Entartete Musik' series from Decca some time ago, alongside Korngold, Schulhoff, Ullman and a number of other interesting figures who either died early in the Nazi period, like Schreker, emigrated like Korngold... or died in the gas chambers, like Ullman.

    • @KrystofDreamJourney
      @KrystofDreamJourney หลายเดือนก่อน

      There was a great Polish composer Leon Borunski. He was Jewish, and the Nazis murdered him in the concentration camp in 1942,. They also burned in the fire all his compositions - piano concertos, a symphony, songs etc. Nothing survived...

  • @MrGer2295
    @MrGer2295 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!

  • @gerardbegni2806
    @gerardbegni2806 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    This kammersymphonie is incredibly subtle. It is quite different from op.9 of Schoenberg. The two scores would deserve to be best known and loved by musicians.Of course, the two scores are in compettition. The Schoenbreg score will always be preferred because it is a major step before a major revolution. But I would like not to see this delicate score disappear because of this competition. We maust acknowledge the importance of the revolution made by Schoenberg, but please don't let us forget 20 years of incredible Viennese music.

    • @JohnBorstlap
      @JohnBorstlap 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That revolution by Schoenberg was a catastrophe, and only important if music history were merely one single line of development where moments of change define its direction. But the reality of history is quite different: individual composers reacting to other music, from the past or of their time. Thinking that the Schoenberg opus 9 'is more important' is plain ridiculous, the only thing that counts is artistic quality and then, there is no competition between the two, they merely exist next to each other. Post WW II ideology has been projected backwards to defend modernism, it is pure propaganda and NOT music history.

    • @lucasa4301
      @lucasa4301 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      John Borstalp, while I agree with your overall conception of music history, I think you're also backing yourself into a corner. As you say, the reality of history is individual composer's reacting to each others music, but surely Schoenberg's music was reacted to more than any other composer of the time. By that standard he is more 'important' but of course everyone's allowed to have their own personal standard.

    • @polenc7167
      @polenc7167 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The importance of revolution? In the scientific sense or the political sense? I doubt the Schoenberg had in mind any political revolutionary desires. Rather I think he was trying to exemplify what he thought was the scientific method which at that time was coming into exceptionally high public regard. But he misses the point. In science we postulate a theory, test it through experimentation and observation. If the result is positive the hypothesis is sustained. Yes, Schoenberg experimented with atonal music. Nice idea. But are audience flocking to hear this music? No. This disproves his theory or hypothesis. In science, a disproved hypothesis is discarded.
      And they don't wait over 100 years for audiences to catch up with the new idea.

    • @gerardbegni2806
      @gerardbegni2806 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      But dear friend, Why by Jove do you want to considrr Schoenberg's ar tonal language as a scientific experiment. Was the Tristan's chord (by the way a simple seventh on the minor submediant with crromatic apogiaturas) a scientifi experiment? Were the domùinant substitutes in 'La Prélude à l'arès-midi d'un faune' scienyific experiment? Were the unsolved bass apagiatras in 'The rite od spring' scientific experiments? By no way. Look for instance at the second quartet by Schoenberg, which gently shifts from a clear extended F# minor tonality to atonality wih some F# major pillars. By no ways it is a scientifi theory or experiment. It is a convincing masterpiec e, which I often liten waith a feeling of extreme satisfaction. In addition. Many décades later, whan Xenakis makes use of mathematical (statistical) theories to better structure clouds of sonorities, he lakes use of a tool, he does not ptrpose a mathematical/statistical theory. Even the traditional PerFect chord is based upon simple mathematical theories: Pythagoras alerady knew that. It happened to me to attend atonal and serial rnderings in concert halls, in France and abroad (Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Dallapiccola, Henze, ,Berio, Xenakis, Boulez, Carter, Saariaho and others); the audience Always warmly applauded, so threre are no reasons to consider that Something failed ni that evolution , Which by the way has Nothing to do with scientific theory or experiment; it is silmply the natural evolution of the music. Other composers followed other paths (Messiaen, Dutilleux, Rautavaara, Lutoslawski, Ligeti, Takemitsu, Carter, Ferneyhaugh) they are excellent and applauded, too, . In France more tan one century ago, we had Debussy and saint Saens, and in Vienna Mahler, Schrecker, Korngold, Zemlinsky and Schoenberg and we have masterpieces of all of them. By no ways we can consider that 'Pierrot Lunaire', Wozzeck or Berg's violin concerto failed; they are XXth century music favorites. Recently, I attended Wozzeck in the opera (and two years ago 'Il Prigionerio' by Dallapiccola); it was very firmely applauded.

    • @MaxLuetgendorff
      @MaxLuetgendorff 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like Schönberg before he made a revolution… after that I am not fond of what came then.

  • @franckmousset4022
    @franckmousset4022 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Une œuvre magnifique, injustement ignorée dans les salles de concert en France.

  • @Chesterton7
    @Chesterton7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow! Thanks for posting this amazing piece.

  • @1bateleur
    @1bateleur 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    you're a blessing

  • @Rupe51
    @Rupe51 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    There are comments here that this should be performed more often. Happily for us in Thunder Bay, Ontario, it will be performed tonight Jan. 27/23 by the Thunder Bay Symphony Orchestra, Paul Haas conductor.

  • @donmigueldecuenca
    @donmigueldecuenca ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's a masterpiece. Who knew?

  • @DanielHernandez-fn8tx
    @DanielHernandez-fn8tx 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    0:00 mvmt 1
    10:27 mvmt 2
    17:02 mvmt 3
    18:49 mvmt 4

  • @Wandelbart
    @Wandelbart 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Sometimes it's hard to assign classical music to a certain period. In
    German we call the period between Romanticism and New Music
    "Nachromantik" (around 1890 - 1930) where different styles (e.g. Late
    Romanticism, Impressionism, Expressionism) existed at the same time.
    Translated "Nachromantik" means "Post-Romanticism" although
    Post-Romanticism refers to a later period according to Wikipedia ...
    Schreker's chamber symphony from 1916 was composed long after Romanticism and a
    few years before Neue Sachlichkeit (Neoclassicism), which started after
    WW I. As far as I know there are no musical trends/movements of
    Symbolism and Naturalism in music. I'd be happy to get some thoughts
    of Symb. and Natur. in music! To me this piece is mainly a mix of Late
    Romanticism and Impressionism, blending in some ideas of New Music,
    which had started around 1910. This chamber symphony reminds me a little
    of the Rudi Stephan's style, Mahler's 10th symphony (IVth movement) and
    Karol Szymanowski's 2nd symphony.
    O, I almost forgot: This symphony is uhmazin'!

    • @murmurmerman
      @murmurmerman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Debussy (and many of his imitators) were deeply influenced by Symbolism, and indeed most of Debussy's lyrics come from Symbolist poets... also see Bartok's opera "Bluebeard's Castle", Schoenberg's "Verklarte Nacht", etc. Symbolist poets were themselves strongly influenced by Richard Wagner's idea of Gesamtkunstwerk, so the movement is more closely tied with music than one might think. Other composers I have seen connected to Symbolism are Scriabin, Satie, Strauss, etc.

    • @KomissarLohmann
      @KomissarLohmann 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@murmurmerman That's all very true, but when you compare the music of Scriabin and Debussy, or Satie and Strauss, you'll find a huge difference - the only similar ones are Satie and Debussy. So, although you can speak of literary and artistic Symbolism and it's influence in so many composers, such as the ones you mentioned, it is not possible to say that there's a "symbolist movement" in music and that it's clearly exemplified by the composers you suggested, because they're so musically distinct.

  • @henrygingercat
    @henrygingercat 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Love it.

  • @twanswagten
    @twanswagten 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What a masterpiece!!

  • @DavidA-ps1qr
    @DavidA-ps1qr 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fabulous early 20th century masterpiece.

  • @stephenjablonsky1941
    @stephenjablonsky1941 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It is interesting to ponder why and how music history relegates the composer of this wonderful piece to undeserved obscurity. This may not be the most advanced compositional practice for its time but it works beautifully from beginning to end. Perhaps Western culture has a preference for the most modern among us and everyone else takes a backseat.

    • @julianrmunds
      @julianrmunds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Because older musicology is still too routed in German conservatism and Shreker who was eaten by the rise of German Fascism (and anti-semitism) was erased. Thanks that modern Germans are beginning to wrestle with those problems and a whole number of composers are finally being recognized for their input. Shreker was cutting edge for his time. Der Schied von Gent was wild and was like Wagner on acid.

    • @socraticgadfly
      @socraticgadfly 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@julianrmunds Actually, his reputation started fading during the Weimar years, but he was well-received earlier.

  • @BertoldBR74Roux
    @BertoldBR74Roux 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great music!

  • @dskinner6263
    @dskinner6263 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm very fortunate to have heard this performed live, in the version for 23 instruments (with an electronic keyboard in place of the harmonium). I can't tell for sure, but it sounds like the strings in this recording might be doubled.

  • @SihyeonChoe
    @SihyeonChoe 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    9:39 I'm in the Heaven

  • @jesbernal
    @jesbernal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Unbelievable!!!

  • @antoneeshukov7791
    @antoneeshukov7791 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Beginning reminds me some colours from Scriabin's Poem of Ecstasy

  • @theahughes703
    @theahughes703 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Im ascending

  • @ks8622
    @ks8622 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    9:43

  • @indigo5601
    @indigo5601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks! v much, for this offering. what a super composer (just finished 'consuming' the gezeichneten) and a great performance here. pls pls, maybe a (successful), attempt @ making the score appearing less fuzzy, pls?

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is the print causing that. You assume I am doing that on purpose, how strange! Also if the streaming is done with poor wifi bandwith you get the same fuzzy effect.

    • @indigo5601
      @indigo5601 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bartjebartmans how strange!? to have the idea that one thought it was done on purpose - ludicrous, bordering on give one a break. was actually optimistic about thy ability to provide a remedie. thanks v much again for the music offering

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are confusing me. What was your remedy?

    • @newaccounter
      @newaccounter ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bartjebartmans They're right. My internet is at 200 mbps; I have the video set to its highest possible quality (1080p), and the quality is extremely crisp on the 2009 upload of the score on IMSLP. Perhaps it has something to do with the way you're saving the file or editing the pages together?

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@newaccounter if you look at my other 1600 videos you see that I have little problems with that in general. I figured out what went wrong, it has to do with ratios. I will re-upload it.

  • @timotheuspeter734
    @timotheuspeter734 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this recording available? I haven't heard a better one, but I cannot find this one on disc..

  • @ilyaibrahimovic9842
    @ilyaibrahimovic9842 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:23 huge page turn :P

  • @nicolassantiagoortega5474
    @nicolassantiagoortega5474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    17:02 3° movement

  • @nicolassantiagoortega5474
    @nicolassantiagoortega5474 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:25 2° movement

  • @Rhythmmical
    @Rhythmmical 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    *pieces ends* *clap clap* *"BRAVO!" at top of lungs* *clap clap clap* :P
    Neat piece. But I always thought "chamber" meant small groups and things. This sounds anything but chamber to me!

    • @1996Mrkeks
      @1996Mrkeks 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ahh well if u look at the instruments that are required its not a lot actually only 7 windplayers, 11 strings, harp, celesta, harmonium, piano, tampani, and percussion soo that makes 24 players over all. So compared to a "normal" symphony thats nothing :D

    • @nicholasfox966
      @nicholasfox966 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "Chamber" is really a catch-all general term for any instrumental ensemble larger than a soloist and smaller than a full symphony orchestra. So, for examples, there are string quartets and piano duets, which are on the smaller side of "chamber", and there is an actual "chamber orchestra" which can be quite luxuriantly scored, although still short of the full symphony orchestra complement (doubled-tripled winds and brass, full string section).

    • @rogerknox9147
      @rogerknox9147 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "Chamber Symphony" in 1916 is also a symphony written in time of war, when resources and players are scarce. But I think Schreker got the most he could from this instrumentation, and the overall sound is fuller than most other chamber symphonies I can think of.

    • @SpaghettiToaster
      @SpaghettiToaster 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a chamber symphony because there's only one of each instrument (except in the strings), instead of full sections.

  • @bryanstarkweather
    @bryanstarkweather 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what is the instrumentation? I'm on my phone, but it looks like one of each ww?

    • @SpaghettiToaster
      @SpaghettiToaster 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Canvas Music check the first page at the beginning of the video

    • @SpaghettiToaster
      @SpaghettiToaster 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      One of each, yes

  • @TomasPolonec
    @TomasPolonec 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why on earth are there bars? :) The time signature changes like every 5 bars.

  • @JohnSpawn1
    @JohnSpawn1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:00
    10:26
    17:02

  • @RedZed1974
    @RedZed1974 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    All this exposure to late romantic/early 1900s music has shown me where all the silver screen composers got their ideas a few decades later. How many different ways has Saint-Seans "The Aquarium" been repackaged for soundtracks?

  • @alysemartin1849
    @alysemartin1849 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:57 Langsam in Tempo

  • @mr.hashundredsofprivatepla3711
    @mr.hashundredsofprivatepla3711 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:40

  • @Silver-pianist
    @Silver-pianist 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10:30

  • @2906nico
    @2906nico 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Extraordinarily beautiful orchestration, but ultimately, it left me feeling as though I had been covered in whipped cream and chocolate sauce.

    • @JohnBorstlap
      @JohnBorstlap ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, that is the problem with this style: everything is in the surface, underneath there is not much substance.

  • @stephenjablonsky1941
    @stephenjablonsky1941 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I finished listening to this piece it reminded me of going to Tiffany's and being very impressed by all the exquisitely crafted, expensive stuff that didn't interest me one bit and I walked out having made no purchase. I don't buy any of what Schreker has to sell because I keep wanting it to be Strauss or Mahler and it continually falls short. The music business has very high standards. If you cannot achieve a score of 100 you go to the back of the line. Schreker gets a 98 from this judge.

    • @bartjebartmans
      @bartjebartmans  3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Music needs to be judged? Why? Schreker is Schreker. His music will be around when we are long gone. That should be enough of a judgment. There is a reason why this music has been performed and why I uploaded it with score. The least you can do is to respect that instead of coming with a lame comparison.

    • @stephenjablonsky1941
      @stephenjablonsky1941 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bartjebartmans We have been judging beauty since the beginning of time.

    • @SpaghettiToaster
      @SpaghettiToaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What a load of nonsense.

    • @Will170392
      @Will170392 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wanting Schreker to be Strauss or Mahler would be your mistake. . .

    • @stephenjablonsky1941
      @stephenjablonsky1941 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Will170392 A mistake I make all the time. I am imperfect.