My Thoughts on Bard So Far in Dawntrail
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As a bard main im really loving the extra buttons as well no target requirement for songs and aoe pitch perfect
Mentioning how Fester used to work hurts. I miss old Summoner so much. /cry
Fester is nostalgic now? I get missing how an job used to work, but fester?
Fester used to be tied to getting bahamut itself
@@tooktookgullible Also to the amount of DoTs the target had. Which could be alot, because you could take thunder and aero from cross class skills. It hit like a truck.
Current SMN with the fester dot system would make the job feel complete. I just always feel like it needs something more
I'm of the opinion that songs should have 110s cooldowns so you can fix drift from downtime out of combat.
Bard's esuna is the goat in casual content i have saved so many people in dun scaith from desthgaze's doom bc healers arent paying attention
Its kinda sad that bards esuna more then most healers though lol
They probably don't even know they got a button called esuna, lol
“I gotta dps so why would I have it on my hot bar “ -some healer
Goat in aloalo and p12s too! Saving a couple of healer damage gcds is good
@@iandrey3674was also nice in p10s when ppl failed to dodge towers. Sure the cd is long, but it is an instant ogcd. Even esuna usage is rare, so unless there are multiple things to esuna, bard is just better at it.
Personally I use it in casual content to stare at dooms and esuna myself right after. Healers must love me if they pay attention xD
I ALSO am compelled to “damn she fine” when I hear 3-6-9 and i got a chuckle as we recited the mantra in unison
Between the 2 support PhysRanged jobs, I feel like bard has had a more elegant glow up than dancer, and just feels so much better to play with at lvl 100, which is why I’m making to shift back to Brd after Endwalking with Dancer. Dancer is just in a really awkward position now with how the gameplay feels.
As a Bard main, I like most of the changes, particularly around burst windows. The follow-ups to Barrage and Radiant are great. They flush out the burst phase so it's not just more filler while you pray for procs. And Barrage not overwriting Refulgent is so nice. It doesn't affect things all much at all, but there's no more “ah fuck” moments when you're in 2mins and running out of time.
AoE PP is so good. It makes dungeon pulls feel much, much nicer.
I wish Wide Volley was the big-boy attacks. I love the flippy-do attack. I mourned its loss in Stormblood. I get excited to play lower level duties now.
And yeah, Sidewinder is a waste. It needs a cool animation update (like WAR) and an upgrade that gives it fall off (like PLD) or something.
Bardsuna is my favorite surprise to pull out of my bag of tricks. I hope we keep getting used sprinkled throughout new duties.
I don't really dig the target-less song change. It's nice for downtimes, but it does nothing to fix the rigidness of overall song rotation. One mistake, one death, one weird mechanic, and you're just ruined. My personal fix would have been making Paean’s procs reduce all songs’ CD by 1 second. Even if you get repertoire procs every tic for all 45s and all arrow procs, that's 18 seconds. You still couldn't skip any songs, it wouldn't lead to more Minuet uptime or anything, but it would make song-rotation recovery actually feasible.
That little bit about Paean made me chuckle, because it's exactly what happened in Alo Alo for my group. We got a new phys ranged who played Bard and we found out that Paean worked in 2 areas in that dungeon. The first ad pack, the Kiwakin. You can Paean the tank and remove a heavy bleed that required a lot of extra heals to survive, and it was basically free to do since you could put it on the tank just before they pull. The 2nd one was even more interesting though. In the 2nd ad pack you have the trees that place a tornado on a person and anyone caught in that tornado has a bind applied, then the tree will do a follow up line towards that binded player. You could paean that and because no bind gets placed the tree just doesn't adjust its position because it can't find a bind to target. Not to mention it saves the healer from having to do a quick esuna after already having to apply some kind of shield or mit to the player that was about to be bound. TL:DR Paean is such a good funny little ability
This kind of makes me want to go back to bard…it was my main for Stormblood and Shadowbringers, but needed that break. Maybe this will give me a reason to take a break from dancer.
Nice video, bard has always been my fun alt job to take my time leveling and run dungeons with when I’m all caught up on my main
Oh & the shorter beard looks good on you 👍🏼
Nice to see Bard doing good. Also, you can’t tell me with a straight face that a single person on the design team plays machinist at this point. Most probably forgot about it entirely. Except that one single target guy.
"369" i wasnt ready 🤣
All the bard mains getting low
😂😂😂 I didn’t know we were going from the windows to the walls!
Should be dubbed the "Get Low" rotation lol.
Word this was random and unexpected 😂😂
I started the game as a bard and put it down for several expansions. I was so sure picto would be my main going forward, but now that I have bard at 100 I freaking love it again.
Honestly ya sidewinder needs something for it. The potency just simply makes it a weave every now and then when rng isn’t on your side. They should just bite the bullet, and give it a damage boost like +3% for either stormbite or caustic and +6% if both are on. Would be nice to add some more chaos to all the weaves by adding a new weave with dot’s.
Give bard more dps power. Problem solved.
Bard will always be underpowered.
I'm leveling bard because it looks fun with these upgrades and stuff. I really don't care even if it ends up being bad cause I just like it more than Machinist which I personally find boring lol
DSR had a similar issue for me and GNB. Loved the job, and thought 3 shells felt like a bit much but not a big deal at the end of the day. Hoo boy was i wrong, DSR will teach you about uptime dependant jobs in no time. The consistent QoL changes BRD keeps getting is making me very happy though.
I remember needing to wait 0.5 to 1 seconds after iron jaws DoT refresh before sidewinder
I feel like BRD not having an issue with skillspeed's an inherent part of the job, with how Army's naturally lowers your GCD via RNG. After you enter army's once in a fight, you'll never be entirely certain where your GCD aligns, so if it affected us too much the whole job would kinda suck. I do kinda hate how wide volley isn't at max level though, and the new changes to songs mean that at high ping you can't actually enter a song directly after your first GCD in combat (since it's not enabled yet), which can feel pretty bad.
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So I’m assuming it’s Hydaelyn but I’m not sure
I see bards screaming out for an "Aoe dot".. Imo sidewinder could be that. Give it increased potency for dotted targets, Make it have a "Splash" effect that spreads dots to others, and give it a new animation, and you've now solved 2 problems with 1 ability.
I main Bard and love the changes. I do wish some of that found it's way to PVP.
They haven't updated PvP yet in DT, I think they said they will be with 7.1 or something? So maybe!
I disliked Shadowbite from the very beginning since Barrage was always the “hit 3x for big satisfaction” skill, and so being unable to use it with Quick Nock/Ladonsbite for a triple hit always rubbed me the wrong way, especially since it used to work(?) where you had to wait for Shadowbite to proc before hitting Barrage to buff it. I personally have always wanted an extra AoE skill that chains off triggering Barrage for a triple hit much like Refulgent Arrow does for single target situations, and initially thought the animation for Ladonsbite was essentially that, and again with the Refulgent follow-up but oh well.
It would be pleasing to hear if they reverted Sidewinder to do extra damage on DoTs just to give Bard some more power and validate the upkeep of Iron Jaws as a combat loop design.
If I were to modify Bard, I’d do as I mentioned above:
1. Introduce a new AoE that converts Ladonsbite to a follow up with the Straight Shot/Burst Shot Ready, then have Barrage unleash it three times for AoE carnage. Something like “Crystalline Volley” with the sound of splintering glass shards flying into the enemies from above to make it audibly different to Rain of Death.
2. Reintroduce Sidewinder’s original effect where it does bonus damage on enemies who are affected by Caustic and Stormsbite. Perhaps give it a new animation where your character curves the shot into the side of the enemy (like a kidney hitter) instead of all their other animations which tend to fly in from above or forward and change the audio for it to be like where you throw those ovoid magnets together and they clatter noisily.
3. For Shadowbite, I would have it be an AoE equivalent where the damage it outputs is dependent on the DoTs placed on the main target (not sure if this is how it used to work before Endwalker changed it) and have the higher damage affect all the mobs with a 50% drop off on the other mobs in the pack, but it would also have the added benefit of spreading the DoTs over to the rest of the pack in order to really help melt them down. If that would be too overpowered though, it could be that it puts a “clone” DoT on the other enemies that may or may not affect the potential song that the Bard is playing. It could be something like “Shadowtoxin” for Caustic Bite and “Shadowshock” for Stormsbite, just to help whittle the beefier trash pulls, and would help Bards out by not requiring them to multi-DoT mobs in a pack just to get more procs in their pulls if the clone DoTs did trigger the song interactions.
Hopefully this sounds reasonable and not at all imbalanced, so let me know below ;).
I decided to give Bard a proper shot in DT because I love support classes and I've been loving it.
The fact that I don't really need care too much about GCD is a huge plus.
BRD looks so free with the song changes in particular. Not needing to remember certain fight timings in addition to all the regular BRD workload seems so freeing. Also, thanks for the impromptu EX1 guide Haps.
I'm of the same mind as you, Happy.
Apex/Blast arrow and Sidewinder just don't feel very good to use.
I don't understand the barrage / refulgent change. Like barrage still gives you refulgent right? As in guaranteed hawks eye... so if refulgent has procced before you are about to barrage, aren't you still "wasting dps" by not firing refulgent off real quick before using barrage?
Please someone explain it to me like I'm 12. TIA.
You know how on Dancer when you press flourish it gives you a proc of Reverse Cascade and Fountainfall without overwriting the default procs? Barrage works exactly like that now. You can have a Refulgent Arrow proc, hit Barrage, and then use Refulgent arrow twice in a row, once from the basic proc, and once again from the buff Barrage gives you.
I’m loving bard pushing buttons and buffing the party to push more buttons
Very much agreed on all points. Those extra buttons being GCD's and small little changes to barrage and hawks eye make burst windows feel so satisfying now. To me Bard is so close to being back at the nirvana perfection I felt it was at during stormblood, before shadowbringers really botched it all up. Just a few things are holding it back:
-Song timings: Lowering their cooldowns by a bit but having something to insure there isn't some jank way to take advantage of it would really help here so death isnt that punishing, or so you have a way to get back in alignment if you make a mistake would go such a long way to fixing the jobs biggest issue. Not having to target is huge.
-Second charge on Empyreal arrow: Bard still is one of the busier jobs in the game but imo It's still really frustrating during windows when that last pitch perfect hit refuses to proc. Adding a second force proc from EA would solve this. Also with Empyreal arrow being so prone to drifting (and with how important it is) giving it a second charge would just go a long way to making it feel more satisfying.
-Full Heartbreaker resets: Now that ballad is back to being the 2nd best song again can we please get full resets back? They added the 3rd charge only to then give half resets in endwalker and it made no sense at all. Let the OGCD's fly and truly give that new animation its time in the sun.
-Stored Hawks Eye procs: This is not AS important now that barrage is its own separate buff, but it still can be a bit annoying when you finally get that proc only to have to go iron Jaws refresh, and hawks eye procs again. Just being able to get up to two charges of hawk's eye would solve everything with this issue.
-Bane effect on Iron jaws: I know it's never gonna happen, but this would truly put AOE to the best feeling in the world.
-Wide Volley over Shadowbite: Yeah you summed it up haps. Just make Wide Volley the upgraded action. It's superior in every way.
-Pitch perfect leftover: Just simply let an active Pitch perfect proc still be used once WM ends as a song. Super frustrating to miss out on lost potency when you are trying to keep songs alligned.
Anything else that an issu is more due to encounter design and issues with the ranged role as a whole. Either way BRD is at it's best shape its been since Stormblood.
Maybe they can give Sidewinder an update like heart break shot...and I know it'll never happen, but maybe, just maybe they make it a DoT spreader. Don't know how useful a 60s cooldown DoT spreader would be when it's most useful time is mob pulls, but hey it's something.
I also wish they brought back flame arrow, but instead of being a ground target AoE, you fire basically a firebomb arrow at a target and then after so many seconds or if the target dies, it explodes and does splash spread fire DoT to nearby enemies.
What is your opinion on the journey from 1-90, better worse or meh?
Do you mean leveling? If you're asking that then it's the exact same as it was last expansion. Do on level dungeons, do roulettes off level.
wide volley makes leveling feel 3x better but other than that, it's the same
Bard looks fun! I don't think looking at what other jobs do and how much harder Bard has to work is relevant. Look at SMN, you can be drooling on your keyboard and play that job well enough. If BRD is fun, play it. Don't worry about the effort or anything else.
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"it stopped being cool when it came out" - I 100% agree. When I got this ability when leveling bard waay back then, it felt just like whatever, especially because the animation on the target even gets clipped lol.
I think something they could do to add a little more song flexibility would be to take a page out of Summoner's book (joke intended)
-Reduce Battle Voice's unlock level to 30 (when you get your first song)
-Make it so that instead of a cooldown, each song has a charge, and that charge gets replenished when you use Battle Voice
-Consolidate Radiant Finale and Battle Voice into one button, making Radiant Finale an upgrade at 90 that adds the damage bonus
It'd add flexibility to the songs by keeping them tied to a single 120s cooldown instead of three equally spaced, rigid unmovable ones.
This would also allow you to make the songs usable out of combat, with only radiant/bv requiring the combat status. This would mean you still couldn't pre-pull songs, but in dungeons or open world content you could keep songs rolling during downtime between combats, such as running to the next trash pack.
Summoner: Hey bard, can you spare a few changes of nice ungrade for me?
I feel like I've seen two summoners in the last two weeks. I think a lot of you are disappointed :(
The change to Barrage, that it cannot overwrite a proc and cannot be consumed if you fat finger a Burst shot like I’ve done 100,000 times is the best change for bard in my opinion
i wish i knew more about Archer/Bard before playing the game its proably the best starting job to learn mechanics its very mobile. i think Lancer/Dragoon is another best starting class to learn the flow of final fantasy 14. as far as to main bard i think its more for a musician.
they really need to bring back increased potency for sidewinder for having dots on the target. It's completely pointless how it is right now, especially with how weak it's current potency is. They could also give it an additional affect on top of bringing back increased potency where it also spreads dots to nearby targets giving it both use in single target or adds scenarios as well as encouraging players to use their dot attacks.
Been only playing bard since i started about 2 months ago.Love it and its awsome.Got vali wing mount with it
Excluding cast time hw bard was good
Sidewinder holds a very special place in my heart because of Tactics Advance. I played so much Hunter, and Sidewinder was, specifically, a monster nuke. Made my life so easy. Although I don't main BRD, it brought a smile to my face when I saw this skill get added to the game, and I'd be sad to see it go.
RIP the days when *Sidewinder* used to do big damage if the two dots were up & also I can't stand the dark spiked visual effect after *Sidewinder* hits.
i am not educated enough to know if it would break the game but it would be nice if skillspeed wasn't a stat on gear and it would only be meldable
Wide volley is back 😭
Nice bard is my main
I used to like 2.47 mch but now it's just not worth
I kind of feel like why not get a new ranged DPS job with the expansion instead of yet another meele dps that already have to most jobs in the entire game.
The melees are the only classes who cant share gear amongst every member in their type. They wanted overtime to give scouting users a secondary option.
@@Eric-ih5mb That is a non issue. Meele is over saturated. I would even take a new tank or healer over yet another meele class. And Ranged DPS literally have 3 jobs to choose from. While Meele now have double that.
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They really need to change the songs so you arent having to change them before they are over at different times for each. That is so unintuitive and clunky
tbh I kinda like it. that the 3 songs add to more than 120 really helps when you have to hold. as it is I can actually just extend my songs in things like ucob and uwu instead of having to either go songless for a bit or end with wacky aligments like 2 mins landing on ballad instead.
If that's meta since EW that's dogs**t... still doing 45, 45, 30 from Shadowbringers or a variation of it with the increased song times. Probably less efficient but its whatever.
Remove sidewinder? How about no
LOL, I let the songs play out. Never switched out with time left over. I just make sure to keep my DOTs up and buff my party when appropriate.
That's perfectly fine for most/casual content in the game. Savage and up, you've gotta watch the songs a little closer.
Can’t believe BRD still has DoTs 😩
If only the glamour wasn’t so flamboyant all the time 🫠 the leather belts and spikes was weird
should have received all these mechanical changes last expansion. cant wait for the 8.0 hotfix in 3 years.
Bard just doesn't feel cohesive to me anymore. It has so many mechanics that don't even coincide with each other anymore. I was hoping for a big overhaul this expansion honestly. It just feels clunky to play.
The song phases feel great, the dots feel tacked on and terrible at this point., they add nothing to the kit, sidewinder is just... there... and Barrage being forced to be used on Refulgent is BORING.
When they removed the functionality of the DoTs aside increased potency on … what… two buttons? I had hoped Dawntrail would finally remove them. Seeing the job action trailer and that they still existed, I knew it was going to be another situation where I *want* to play bard, but I just can’t bring myself to do it over another job. May as well play smn if I want to be a physranged
Same old game just reskinned....it's disappointing.