FAQ: - i did not add STAB (i forgor) - For the Zelda game, ghost is not effective against fairy my b!! it should have said *Psychic instead of fairy (since zelda is half fairy and half psychic) - Bulbasaur is my favorite pokemon - no the TC in TCNick3 does not actually stand for anything
10:29 Mythra doing all the hard(ish) part of actually doing the damage and Pyra just swapping in, doing one move and getting the kill and the victory screen is like the most quintessential Aegis experience in Smash
yeah he starts with a normal/ghost with only 1 weakness (and 3 immunities like @ultimatewauigi5907 said), and then 2 matches later when EDM picks dark/ghost, which also only has 1 weakness, nick uses that one weakness lol
Ah yes, my favorite starter type....ELECTRIC. Nick is truly living his Ash Ketchum storyline. Here's some Mewtwo lore to educate the masses: The original theatrical cut of Pokémon The First Movie: Mewtwo Strikes Back is only 75 minutes long, but another version was created, which became the base for the English dub. This version, once known as the "kanzenban" version, featured 10 extra minutes of footage detailing Mewtwo's past. This extra footage was eventually brought over as "The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin," which was available as a DVD special feature on home video releases. The short shows Dr. Fuji recovering the Mew fossil and bringing it back to his lab. There, a young Mewtwo is incubated in a tube alongside other clones that Dr. Fuji had been working on-, a Charmander, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur, as well as a human child named Amber. The clones are able to communicate telepathically with each other, and so they begin to explain concepts to Mewtwo as Amber shares some of her memories. However, the other clones are unstable; each disappears, one at a time, until only Amber is left. She tells Mewtwo not to be sad, because it's still alive, and being alive is wonderful, before vanishing into nothing. Mewtwo's memories of all of this are wiped, but a vague recollection of Amber remains. The backstory reveals why Mewtwo already had clones of Charizard, Venusaur, and Blastoise...he created them based on his first friends, whom he could barely remember
The second I saw Nick choose a Ghost/Normal Type, I knew this was going to be full of cheese. Good thing he didn’t add STAB or else this would have been ridiculous. 😂🙏
Same Type Attack Bonus! In Pokémon it raises the power of a move if the Pokémon using it is the same type as the move, say Charizard used flamethrower, because Charizard is a fire type and flamethrower is a fire type move, it’s a STAB move.
I've always thought about this, like if someone like bowser was it by water moves, maybe his attacks wouldn't work as well, but I never really thought about someone actually making it a thing. Also, nick and EDM make the best videos together.
"I'll be one billion percent honest, I did not mean that" - Nick 2023....(tear) they grow up so fast. So Steel is weak to Fighting because martial artists, body builders, etc. can bend steel. Steel may be defense, but Fighting is all about attack. Steel is weak to Fire because steel conducts heat very well since it's of course a metal and can be melted. Dark is immune to Psychic because Dark alongside Steel were introduced in Gen II to balance against Psychic (and Psychic is weak to Dark because of phobia...afraid of the dark). However, if a Pokémon has the move Miracle Eye, this immunity goes away. But of course, this is Smash Bros, so no Miracle Eye. Fighting is weak to Fairy because of both balance and folklore. Violence just doesn’t work on the fey, traditionally. If you try to fight them, they will just make a fool of you. A brute just wouldn't want to harm a cute little fairy. Fighting is weak to Psychic because quite simply, brains over brawn! And Bug is weak to Rock because while you do find bugs under rocks sometimes, rocks can still smash bugs with ease.
1:42 He sounded exactly like Ash for one second lmao. Actually, he wanted to act like Ash the entire time, saying the type advantage doesn't matter lol.
4:36. I like to think that the reason Fighting is super-effective against Steel is because if the metal is thin enough you can dent it (like a can), and if you punch/kick it hard enough you can knock a mechanical part that's inside loose. But then again, by that logic, if you hit a Steel-Type with any move of any type hard enough it could break something inside so what do I know.
I'm inclined to believe that Fighting represents more of the fictional tropes of kung-fu/martial arts powers where smashing rocks and bending steel with bare hands is par for the course. It's essentially its own form of magic at that point.
@@0ceanking Or maybe redirecting attacks from enemies with metal weapons? Like the Pawniard and Honedge evolution chains? I guess it's a case of perspective (Or even all of the above) but I definitely agree with your point.
@@KayzIdeas oh yeah definitely. Blade catching or deflecting with no weapons of one's own is definitely up there in popular kung-fu/martial arts fantasy.
Steel is weak to Fighting because Fighting was basically unusable in gen 1 The main purpose of Dark and Steel were to balance gen 1's type chart, with everything else being secondary. Same with Fairy in gen 6. While there are a few interactions that are based on logic, most are just based on balance
@@KayzIdeas its bc steel, ice, and rock materials are the most common things to test ur strength on (ex. breaking a brick/large block of ice in half, bending a steel bar, etc.)
4:45 Fighting is strong agaisnt steel because of old mythos and current cartoons about people being strong enough to bend metal, same reason why it is super effective agaisnt ice and rock
Man we really gotta see some more from this mod! It certainly sounds like a real lot of work was put on it so it would be a waste for it not to make occasional appearances!
One thing you didn't add is STAB. In Pokemon, when they do a move that is the same type as them, for example when Pikachu uses an electric type move, the move gets a 1.5 damage buff. It stands for Same Type Attack Bonus.
As a pokemon nerd I'd love to play smash like this, as a smash player it looks very frustrating and fun at the same time, so it doesn't change that much from the original game
They should do a follow up video where they do smash down so they can build "Pokemon" teams. I could also imagine putting together an "elite 4 run" solo mode where you get 4 cpus to have a team of each of the elite 4 types from the games (potentially randomized) and having to fight each of them, keeping stock losses between matches. Lot of potential for content, that's all I'm saying
Nick and EDM perfectly represent the two types of people who play Pokémon. Nick represents the people who have intimate knowledge about ever mechanic about Pokémon. And EDM represents the people who don’t even know about type matchups and just uses the strongest/their favorite Pokémon.
5:39 I feel like Kirby should’ve been normal/flying, and whenever he uses the copy ability, he copies the opponents primary type, as well as their neutral B
Bro why is bowser a literal pokemon tho? He has multiple forms that lead to his final form, a couple mega evolutions, a dynamax form, and learns new moves throughout the games. Checks all boxes
Poor EDM. He got sent to Trainer's School and was dealt so many hard knockouts. If Lily does an update to this mod, unless she's done it already, I hope she codes Pikachu's back throw to Fighting, as it IS Submission.
The more interesting part of the vid is the TC redemption. While EDM is getting into the path of pain in order to purify nick from his toxicity, nick just watches him suffer with the mods 😂. Moral of story, Nick is un-uncorruptible
-EDM 2023 ''matchups do not matter knowledge, books that's all just nerd stuff, because I have sauce and that's gonna take me through any matchup. Truly words of wisdom
Fun fact fire resists fairy, so kirbys fairy moves would have be neutral on bowser because of the fire type. Also if we were going by true pokemon type effectivness, fighting would be 4x effective on steel and dark.
Hate to be that guy but ghost isn't super effective against fairy only poison and steel are the reason ghost was super effective against Zelda was because she was also psychic type so yeah, btw it's here 2:48
I'd have made some corrections to some typings: Peach pummeling with Toad should've been Grass type. Joker should get and lose the Ghost type depending on if Arsene is out. Ganon should be Dark/Fighting Ridley should be Dark/Flying Hero should be Normal/Steel Olimar/Alph should be Bug/Grass Amazing vid as usual Nick!
I'd argue magic is not the same as psychic powers. I suggested Normal because Hero has access to a very wide array of elements, which in Pokémon is usually represented as Normal (see Arceus and Tri-Attack). It would also not make sense for him to be weak against Dark, something that in every of his iterations is a hard-counter to.
@@Glockenspheal I like the idea of normal to point out the varying powers Hero has, but I think Fairy would do a good job to be evocative of his grand power while also being a counter to darkness.
For me, I see the Fighting-Steel relationship to be where a common showing of strength (basically half of Fighting type) is breaking metal. For the Dragon's resistances, my view is that Dragon is almost a magic type, so it resists the most standard magic forms. FIre, water, life(grass) and electicity.
FAQ:
- i did not add STAB (i forgor)
- For the Zelda game, ghost is not effective against fairy my b!! it should have said *Psychic instead of fairy (since zelda is half fairy and half psychic)
- Bulbasaur is my favorite pokemon
- no the TC in TCNick3 does not actually stand for anything
no wai i thought the tc stood for thicc
TC Stands for Tiny C**K
JK love your content.
I have been betrayed.
You mean it should have said psychic instead of fairy
also the steel super effective on steel (marth rob game) you got wrong but we dont talk about that
They really just made Mewtwo fair, shadow claw, a psychic-type move.
Definetly one of the moments of all time
I was thinking the same thing XD I heard the super effective sound when he used it and a brain cell in the back of my head made me jump
I always thought mewtwo's fair was more like psycho cut anyway
Nope, it's not Shadow Claw. According to the in-game tips it is in fact "Shadow Scratch", TOTALLY different move.
@@TheLobsterCopter5000 thanks mock rock for teaching me that 😂👌
@@TheLobsterCopter5000 shadow scratch has gotta be my favorite pokemon move, definitely a real thing
This actually sounds so fun and frustrating at the same time
How the hell did you comment a hour ago?
@@NITE_CALEByah how the hell did you do that?
I'm so confused rn
Yeah lol
P.S. They are probably a member so they can comment early
10:29 Mythra doing all the hard(ish) part of actually doing the damage and Pyra just swapping in, doing one move and getting the kill and the victory screen is like the most quintessential Aegis experience in Smash
U mean pyra
Nick really started this video playing a Ghost/Normal type, a pairing that's only weak to one type in Dark.
A certified ToxicCarriedNick3 moment.
In nick’s defense they were doing random so as they say “don’t hate the player hate the game”
Don't forget the three immunities (Normal, Fighting, Ghost)
And he only wins the kirby vs bowser game because EDM trolled
yeah he starts with a normal/ghost with only 1 weakness (and 3 immunities like @ultimatewauigi5907 said), and then 2 matches later when EDM picks dark/ghost, which also only has 1 weakness, nick uses that one weakness lol
Common Horoark W
Ah yes, my favorite starter type....ELECTRIC. Nick is truly living his Ash Ketchum storyline. Here's some Mewtwo lore to educate the masses: The original theatrical cut of Pokémon The First Movie: Mewtwo Strikes Back is only 75 minutes long, but another version was created, which became the base for the English dub. This version, once known as the "kanzenban" version, featured 10 extra minutes of footage detailing Mewtwo's past. This extra footage was eventually brought over as "The Uncut Story of Mewtwo's Origin," which was available as a DVD special feature on home video releases. The short shows Dr. Fuji recovering the Mew fossil and bringing it back to his lab.
There, a young Mewtwo is incubated in a tube alongside other clones that Dr. Fuji had been working on-, a Charmander, Squirtle, and Bulbasaur, as well as a human child named Amber. The clones are able to communicate telepathically with each other, and so they begin to explain concepts to Mewtwo as Amber shares some of her memories. However, the other clones are unstable; each disappears, one at a time, until only Amber is left. She tells Mewtwo not to be sad, because it's still alive, and being alive is wonderful, before vanishing into nothing. Mewtwo's memories of all of this are wiped, but a vague recollection of Amber remains. The backstory reveals why Mewtwo already had clones of Charizard, Venusaur, and Blastoise...he created them based on his first friends, whom he could barely remember
The second I saw Nick choose a Ghost/Normal Type, I knew this was going to be full of cheese. Good thing he didn’t add STAB or else this would have been ridiculous. 😂🙏
what's STAB
Same Type Attack Bonus! In Pokémon it raises the power of a move if the Pokémon using it is the same type as the move, say Charizard used flamethrower, because Charizard is a fire type and flamethrower is a fire type move, it’s a STAB move.
@@badashe1364 thx
@@silverpotato4272By the way, it’s a 1.5x multiplier just so you know
The funny thing is bone moves like Byleth's weapons are usually ground type, which would've been less effective against bug!
I made byleth’s weapons rock type though??
Yes but the weapons are made of bone which are typically ground type attacks.
@@jillandjack7631 ohhhhh I misinterpreted the original comment, thanks for clarifying
@@LilyLambda Oh hey! Thanks for your hard work!
Which is Cubone's fault. I do see the logic in mkaing them Rock type though, since Fossil pokemon are always Rock type.
LMAO NICE SAVE DUDE 6:15
LMAO as soon as it came outta my mouth i'm like "wait i should clarify"
@@TCNick3don’t let Twitter hear about that
No we're doxxing you right now@@TCNick3
10:39 "That does so much knockback"
My brother in Christ you were at 180%
10:34 🤣 Nick sounded so genuinely happy ab mashing
Don’t think we should be surprised at this point 😅
I've always thought about this, like if someone like bowser was it by water moves, maybe his attacks wouldn't work as well, but I never really thought about someone actually making it a thing. Also, nick and EDM make the best videos together.
Technically, bowser should take neutral damage from fairy moves due to his secondary dragon fire type
7:57 And suddenly they're playing Smash Flash 1.
3:00 ghost is neutral to fairy
6:52 idk if nick said anything about it, but the quad effective mismatch here is wild
"I'll be one billion percent honest, I did not mean that" - Nick 2023....(tear) they grow up so fast. So Steel is weak to Fighting because martial artists, body builders, etc. can bend steel. Steel may be defense, but Fighting is all about attack. Steel is weak to Fire because steel conducts heat very well since it's of course a metal and can be melted. Dark is immune to Psychic because Dark alongside Steel were introduced in Gen II to balance against Psychic (and Psychic is weak to Dark because of phobia...afraid of the dark). However, if a Pokémon has the move Miracle Eye, this immunity goes away. But of course, this is Smash Bros, so no Miracle Eye.
Fighting is weak to Fairy because of both balance and folklore. Violence just doesn’t work on the fey, traditionally. If you try to fight them, they will just make a fool of you. A brute just wouldn't want to harm a cute little fairy. Fighting is weak to Psychic because quite simply, brains over brawn! And Bug is weak to Rock because while you do find bugs under rocks sometimes, rocks can still smash bugs with ease.
And Fairy is weak to Steel because of the lore of fey being vulnerable to cold iron.
1:42 He sounded exactly like Ash for one second lmao.
Actually, he wanted to act like Ash the entire time, saying the type advantage doesn't matter lol.
4:36. I like to think that the reason Fighting is super-effective against Steel is because if the metal is thin enough you can dent it (like a can), and if you punch/kick it hard enough you can knock a mechanical part that's inside loose. But then again, by that logic, if you hit a Steel-Type with any move of any type hard enough it could break something inside so what do I know.
I'm inclined to believe that Fighting represents more of the fictional tropes of kung-fu/martial arts powers where smashing rocks and bending steel with bare hands is par for the course. It's essentially its own form of magic at that point.
@@0ceanking Or maybe redirecting attacks from enemies with metal weapons? Like the Pawniard and Honedge evolution chains? I guess it's a case of perspective (Or even all of the above) but I definitely agree with your point.
@@KayzIdeas oh yeah definitely. Blade catching or deflecting with no weapons of one's own is definitely up there in popular kung-fu/martial arts fantasy.
Steel is weak to Fighting because Fighting was basically unusable in gen 1
The main purpose of Dark and Steel were to balance gen 1's type chart, with everything else being secondary. Same with Fairy in gen 6. While there are a few interactions that are based on logic, most are just based on balance
@@KayzIdeas its bc steel, ice, and rock materials are the most common things to test ur strength on (ex. breaking a brick/large block of ice in half, bending a steel bar, etc.)
I love when Nick plays with EDM it’s just incredible!
If Smash had more mods like this then it would be even better.
If smash openly supported mods we'd have the ultimate fighting game on our hands.
@@329link Rivals of Aether:
2:53 Actually is Ghost > Psychic ☝🤓
Lily you legend! You deserve a pay raise, this is some incredible coding and calculation alteration for many characters.
7:44 nick actually did a gamer move
Nick almost put his foot in his mouth when EDM teched at 12:23
3:27 Greninja and Incineroar:are you Serious
4:39 imagine it’s cause if you’re strong enough you can bend silverware like spoons..probably
4:45 Fighting is strong agaisnt steel because of old mythos and current cartoons about people being strong enough to bend metal, same reason why it is super effective agaisnt ice and rock
Man we really gotta see some more from this mod! It certainly sounds like a real lot of work was put on it so it would be a waste for it not to make occasional appearances!
One thing you didn't add is STAB. In Pokemon, when they do a move that is the same type as them, for example when Pikachu uses an electric type move, the move gets a 1.5 damage buff. It stands for Same Type Attack Bonus.
or boost
This is one of the most technically impressive mods I have ever seen
love this idea lmao. props to nick and the modder for all the effort that went into this!
As a pokemon nerd I'd love to play smash like this, as a smash player it looks very frustrating and fun at the same time, so it doesn't change that much from the original game
2:14 using memes in the perfect way
EDM learned Pokemon types the HARD WAY love the collabs fellas!!!
They should do a follow up video where they do smash down so they can build "Pokemon" teams. I could also imagine putting together an "elite 4 run" solo mode where you get 4 cpus to have a team of each of the elite 4 types from the games (potentially randomized) and having to fight each of them, keeping stock losses between matches. Lot of potential for content, that's all I'm saying
You realize that a good deal of mewtwo's kit is ghost type attacks.
Nick and EDM perfectly represent the two types of people who play Pokémon.
Nick represents the people who have intimate knowledge about ever mechanic about Pokémon.
And EDM represents the people who don’t even know about type matchups and just uses the strongest/their favorite Pokémon.
Nick does not have intimate knowledge on POkemon
"Leave the nerd shit at home. Leave it in your backpack. Don't even bring the backpack, it has a book in it, I'm allergic, keep it there." - BASED EDM
No one tell EDM that skill, a.k.a sauce, is generally a type of knowledge.
With canon stats size and damage this mod would be perfect
5:39 I feel like Kirby should’ve been normal/flying, and whenever he uses the copy ability, he copies the opponents primary type, as well as their neutral B
Nah, he should've been just normal and copy the types of the sucked opponent.
7:02 it’s because of stab and both steel and dark are weak to fighting
1:50 well that shouldn’t have super effective.
Calling him a fairy no joke made me laugh. Only cause its EDM bro
for all the work that must have went into this mod we need to see way more of it
EDM got tcnicked with facts and knowledge.
Bro why is bowser a literal pokemon tho? He has multiple forms that lead to his final form, a couple mega evolutions, a dynamax form, and learns new moves throughout the games. Checks all boxes
EDM embodying all of us playing Pokemon when we were younger. Just attack and hope for the best.
This combined with the Canon Stats video makes me just want Pokémon: Smash Edition.
Bro EDM makes me want to Expand Dong, Man
This is the coolest mod of all. I can tell this had so much effort put into it
This is some Little Z type stupidity
And I love it
Little Z would know way more about Pokemon.
@@Endershock1678 fair enough
1:17 ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA ORAAAA!
This mod would be so much fun to see as an official mix in the game. 10/10
Always love seeing EDM
imagine that as a limited gamemode, i would love it and hate it at the same time
Bringing back a concept that originally made PT a much worse character to bring even more flavor and substance to this game is very nice. A great mod.
The dedication to add typings to every character and their moves is insane
Tell me about it 😅
EDM + Pokemon my favorite combo ❤❤❤ Yall my favorite duo frfr
steve should’ve been normal type cause steve is just a normal guy tryin to survive
Nick the type of guy to tell the editor to not play the clip then edit it himself to replay the clip
Joker going from Dark to Ghost when Arsene is out is exactly how my father went from black to invisible as soon as the milk is out
I'd love to see more of this mod! Maybe against someone who actually knows type matchups?
Nick found a way to legitimately beat EDM. Just have him make a fool of himself and not work with the video
I feel like Dr Mario could be a poison type because of his medicine.
Poor EDM. He got sent to Trainer's School and was dealt so many hard knockouts.
If Lily does an update to this mod, unless she's done it already, I hope she codes Pikachu's back throw to Fighting, as it IS Submission.
The more interesting part of the vid is the TC redemption. While EDM is getting into the path of pain in order to purify nick from his toxicity, nick just watches him suffer with the mods 😂. Moral of story, Nick is un-uncorruptible
-EDM 2023 ''matchups do not matter knowledge, books that's all just nerd stuff, because I have sauce and that's gonna take me through any matchup.
Truly words of wisdom
EDM. My guy. Your an awesome guy. You have ALL the sauce! So why?
*Why did you pick 3 fighting types in a row???*
Fun fact fire resists fairy, so kirbys fairy moves would have be neutral on bowser because of the fire type. Also if we were going by true pokemon type effectivness, fighting would be 4x effective on steel and dark.
Hate to be that guy but ghost isn't super effective against fairy only poison and steel are the reason ghost was super effective against Zelda was because she was also psychic type so yeah, btw it's here 2:48
2:54 There says "Ghost>Fairy" when the matchup is actually neutral, the actual matchup is "Ghost>Psychic"
"Afraid of the dark? ...punch it." - JelloApocalypse
This mod is actually cool as heck, Lily Lambda the goat
Lily Lambda is the Deity of this channel. Good work 👍
Nick's edgeguarding with rob was godlike lol
I'd have made some corrections to some typings:
Peach pummeling with Toad should've been Grass type.
Joker should get and lose the Ghost type depending on if Arsene is out.
Ganon should be Dark/Fighting
Ridley should be Dark/Flying
Hero should be Normal/Steel
Olimar/Alph should be Bug/Grass
Amazing vid as usual Nick!
Hero uses magic
I'd argue magic is not the same as psychic powers.
I suggested Normal because Hero has access to a very wide array of elements, which in Pokémon is usually represented as Normal (see Arceus and Tri-Attack).
It would also not make sense for him to be weak against Dark, something that in every of his iterations is a hard-counter to.
One that hit me hard was Mewtwo's fair was psychic instead of ghost. I hope Shadow ball was at least ghost.
@@Glockenspheal I like the idea of normal to point out the varying powers Hero has, but I think Fairy would do a good job to be evocative of his grand power while also being a counter to darkness.
@@Glockenspheal make him fairy it’s logical with the magic power and effective against dark
10:08
Ohh, Monke 🐒
I love that lightning kick is fairy type
Who is letting this man make such good content in this day and age?
4:33 Certain martial artists can bend the ever loving fuck out of metal if they’re strong enough. Yeah some people are just cracked!
12:41 the wall sign with donkey kong is one of the most inspirational things I've seen
Really cool that you convinced the spot to play smash instead of destroying the multiverse
Lily is goated with these mods! GOATED
9:39 you can use rocks to crush bugs. why wouldn't it be effective?
Nice vid btw!
You can use everything to crush bugs ngl
@@Sam-tl4ho my preferred method is fire 🔥
*Gives pokemon types to every fighter*
*Proceeds to play 2 pokemon*
2:40 Honestly, he deserved that.
In what universe is Olimar Bug? The Pikmin are literally plants. He fights using plants! That just screams grass!
Wouldn’t Rob make more sense as steel electric because not only almost every move is electric themed and he’s a robot.
Yo is that BuiBui Fort from LocoRoco Midnight Carnival at 10:03? Based music taste
“I dont need it”
Famous last words
this is my FAVORITE mod you have ever done and my favorite smash mod ever
That was such a beautiful moral. I will have my kids watch this so they can learn from him
There are SOO many typings of these i dont agree with, but this is still amazing!
This looks so fun! It was very entertaining to watch too! ^^
For me, I see the Fighting-Steel relationship to be where a common showing of strength (basically half of Fighting type) is breaking metal. For the Dragon's resistances, my view is that Dragon is almost a magic type, so it resists the most standard magic forms. FIre, water, life(grass) and electicity.
A really fun and creative idea for a mod and heck even a game by itself tbh (a beatem up with typings)
i HEARD School Days in there you CANNOT hide Persona music from me
This mod gives you guys the biggeset John in the history of Smash.
I love how SHADOW claw is psychic and not you know it's actually type.
ness hair is gone in the beginning, proving ness mains have no brain