Typesetters in the '80s - Computerphile

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  • @fuzzysubjects
    @fuzzysubjects 11 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    I'd love to see a video about the history of Tex and LaTex, since I'm currently learning it for my Bachelor thesis. And I started to love it, after seeing some fellows failing hard at msOffice.

  • @OsaSoft
    @OsaSoft 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    as a student of software engineering i find this channel absolutely fantastic... the people involved all seem to be not only great scientists in their relevant fields, but also great teachers...
    i also really like these history videos... being in my 20s now i never really experienced this kind of thing and the early years of computing and this is just so fascinating and something you dont really get in school
    thank you so much :)

  • @aleewade4162
    @aleewade4162 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    In 1982 I was an engineering grad student when we took delivery of a 300DPI Xerox laser printer. It was promptly connected to a VAX-11/780 running VMS and TeX 1.0 (aka TeX82). Ease of publishing increased by an order of magnitude almost over night.

  • @CharlesVanNoland
    @CharlesVanNoland 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    What I gather from all of the videos I've watched is that Professor Brailsford is not only a super special kinda guy but also a goldmine of history and know-how. He's one in a million! The greatest thing about him, which I noticed a few months ago, and pointed out to a friend of mine, is that he can maintain on a long monologue without requiring a bunch of quick edits to filter out superfluous thoughts. He's concise and thorough, going indepth, and following a coherent train of thought at a healthy pace. EDIT: All of his videos are a real treat!

  • @LuckyMarketGameplay
    @LuckyMarketGameplay 11 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Thank you for your web pointer, I shall process it through the series of tubes as soon as I disembark from my automobile excursion.

  • @WouterDHaeseleer
    @WouterDHaeseleer 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what a great story again! i believe i can listen a whole day to this guy. he can tell it with real passion, something which i admire

  • @MedEighty
    @MedEighty 11 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    06:20 Oops! They misspelt Zilog in their manual.

  • @Superphilipp
    @Superphilipp 11 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    This man has the greatest voice I have ever heard.
    Seriously, has he ever done any acting or voice work?

  • @3ventic
    @3ventic 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Happy new year to you too!

  • @PixelOutlaw
    @PixelOutlaw 11 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    He is a very good narrator, even better that he talks about historical problems and solutions. Computer history is very entertaining for me.

  • @SharpblueCreative
    @SharpblueCreative 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was a typesetter in the 1980s - Compugrapgic MCS Powerview 5

  • @romulus2225
    @romulus2225 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm a physical chemist, but I'm addicted to Computerphile now! I always watched Periodic and Numberphile, but I love these videos!

  • @nomeanlol
    @nomeanlol 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is fascinating. You don't appreciate how amazing it is to be able to click print and have a reasonable copy pop out of a machine without the history behind it.

  • @amak1131
    @amak1131 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love this man... reminds me of my grandpa telling stories of coding in Basic.

  • @1804180469
    @1804180469 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are we going to get a video on TeX and LaTeX at some point?

  • @666Tomato666
    @666Tomato666 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    and to think that I was able to write similar quality notes during my university coursework using LaTeX system just few years ago...

  • @thats2kewl
    @thats2kewl 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video...love the poster. I would love to buy a Computerphile T-shirt with that on the back!!

  • @kuglepen64
    @kuglepen64 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is lovely stuff! Keep it coming!

  • @Falcrist
    @Falcrist 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I absolutely can't believe i got into the sub-301 club. That email notification must have been really quick!

  • @Congochicken
    @Congochicken 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Did that video that says coming soon at the end ever come out?

  • @Komodojou
    @Komodojou 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny that this video comes up today, as I've been playing Type:Rider.

  • @ilikewebm
    @ilikewebm 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bell Labs and Unix changed everything...
    But really good printing quality for this time...
    700 dpi are very impresive.

  • @Desmaad
    @Desmaad 11 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I noticed that whoever wrote the brochure typed in Zolig instead of Zilog in the processor list; whee, typos.

  • @TheKuleluke
    @TheKuleluke 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *Computerphile* _is_ *awesome*

    • @symbolxchannel
      @symbolxchannel 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      var *Computerphile* = "awesome!";
      alert(*Computerphile*);

    • @yousorooo
      @yousorooo 11 ปีที่แล้ว

      SymbolX Too much JavaScript.

    • @realraven2000
      @realraven2000 11 ปีที่แล้ว

      SymbolX
      at least use let ;-)

    • @jhoughjr1
      @jhoughjr1 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Derek Leung [self setComputerphile:@"awesome"];
      NSLog(@"%@",_computerphile);

  • @ch0rd2
    @ch0rd2 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ab-so-lute-ly love this stuff. Many thx.

  • @patrick1020000
    @patrick1020000 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video again!

  • @jdgrahamo
    @jdgrahamo 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The advent of computer printing more or less sounded the death knell for letter spacing, which nobody seems to bother with any more. A great retrograde step in design, I fear.

  • @Khaltazar
    @Khaltazar 11 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    How in the world do you use that Mac keyboard? It's terrible.

  • @OmegaCraftable
    @OmegaCraftable 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The link to the poster doesn't work. :(

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 11 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      You mean the pointer?

    • @yetanothertubeuser
      @yetanothertubeuser 11 ปีที่แล้ว

      Remove the %C2%AD bit. TH-cam put a tag there for some reason.
      Edit: Or do you actually mean the poster? Because that one works.

    • @TheChipmunk2008
      @TheChipmunk2008 11 ปีที่แล้ว

      Works fine here, it's just not hyperlinked is all

  • @tobortine
    @tobortine 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent, thank you.

  • @MRayner59
    @MRayner59 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This may be the nerdiest video... ever! Quite delightful.

  • @J2897Tutorials
    @J2897Tutorials 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did that letter mention a fee for the UNIX OS? I couldn't see all of it. Or was that before companies began hiding source code?

  • @DarkosLab
    @DarkosLab 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you think we could get Maxwell's equations on Numberphile?

  • @d3line
    @d3line 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to buy that poster!!!

  • @alsifjlasieflooo
    @alsifjlasieflooo 11 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    And today you just press Ctrl + P...

    • @photosinensis
      @photosinensis 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's not quite the same. There's still a power to typesetters that hitting Ctrl+P doesn't come close to. Those things can crank out a large volume of printed material very quickly--enough for a newspaper print run, for example.

  • @dkarlovi
    @dkarlovi 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's funny when you think about the human life and context. I find this gentleman fascinating and would buy him a beverage every day to hear him talk about this (or his other experiences).
    His wife, as is usually the case, must be sick of hearing about it. :)

  • @Nordath1
    @Nordath1 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome!

  • @zwz.zdenek
    @zwz.zdenek 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder how did the big printing houses produce the math handbooks I had always known about. Why didn't you use whatever proven workflow they had developed? Even if that meant lead types.

  • @_wouter52
    @_wouter52 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting! Thnx!

  • @ejetzer
    @ejetzer 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You could ask the same question about regular text.

  • @TMTVL
    @TMTVL 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    So, is this the video uploaded in Ubuntu?

  • @pepper669
    @pepper669 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are there any surviving 202s?

  • @linkVIII
    @linkVIII 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    cool stuff

  • @sooskca
    @sooskca 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    most dramatic hacking tales on the internet

  • @MooImABunny
    @MooImABunny 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    why in the hell would god write down electrodynamics in spherical coordinates??
    more importatnly, why would he not use 4-vector / tensors spacetime notations...

  • @daedra40
    @daedra40 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just at the start, i want to say that it's pretty difficult to not like whatever the prof has to say. Simply.

  • @crumplezone1
    @crumplezone1 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dont pick ur nose prof ! @ 10.00, LOL
    Another fantastic vid sir

  • @boogiman007
    @boogiman007 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    so HD has been around since the 80s. huh!

  • @DAR00ST3R
    @DAR00ST3R 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sadly, all I get is grey screens of nothing when trying to access the eprg(dot)org links. Great video nonetheless though :-)

  • @jdrejert
    @jdrejert 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm pretty sure I saw that t-shirt in a Modern Family episode (worn by Alex).

    • @jdrejert
      @jdrejert 11 ปีที่แล้ว

      (Although with curl and grad notation.)

  • @unvergebeneid
    @unvergebeneid 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wasn't TeX already developed in the late 1970s? How then isn't it even mentioned in a video on typesetting in the 1980s?

    • @frustbox
      @frustbox 11 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Donald E. Knuth started TeX in 1978 but it wasn't finished until 1986. I'm looking forward to a follow up to this video, moving on to "modern" typesetting using TeX, LaTeX and maybe even further.

    • @666Tomato666
      @666Tomato666 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      frustbox the only thing that's further than LaTeX is XeTeX or LuaTeX.

    • @unvergebeneid
      @unvergebeneid 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      666Tomato666 While I agree purely regarding typography, TeX isn't for everyone and TeX surely isn't perfect (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/27440/what-cant-tex-do).

    • @joshcryer
      @joshcryer 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's briefly mentioned in the 202 hacking video, which, btw, is a lot more comprehensive.

    • @unvergebeneid
      @unvergebeneid 11 ปีที่แล้ว

      joshcryer Oh ok. I had seen that video but obviously I've already forgotten.

  • @Urf93
    @Urf93 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome :D

  • @Patman128
    @Patman128 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Says "Zolig Z80" at 6:30 lol.

  • @ArnimSommer
    @ArnimSommer 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if Professor Brailsford ever met Don Knuth...

  • @serhiyint
    @serhiyint 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Apple product placement?

  • @TheRealFlenuan
    @TheRealFlenuan 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's "80s". Apostrophes are not used for pluralization.

  • @Nilguiri
    @Nilguiri 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting.

  • @jamez6398
    @jamez6398 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    What!? Why on earth would you go to all of that effort to get the printer to work!? Come on, now. Those are only a list of mathematical equations; they weren't graphs or artistic styluses; why on earth would you need to use a printer to get these images when they are only a list of mathematical equations? If they're only printed-out mathematical equations, then surely being hand-written is good enough??

  • @Sammysapphira
    @Sammysapphira 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its been 5 minutes how are there no comments.

  • @alexanderwesterstahl
    @alexanderwesterstahl 11 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Haha, "Zolig Z80" xD

  • @sadade32
    @sadade32 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mai god, one of the early commenters!

  • @ElectricEvan
    @ElectricEvan 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the problem with making things for other people.

  • @zupnikal
    @zupnikal 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gaussian units... ARGH...