WordTeX - A WYSIPCTWOTCG Typesetting Tool
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มี.ค. 2018
- For CMU's 2018 SIGBOVIK conference, I am researching an easier way of typesetting documents...
Download WordTeX:
tomwildenhain.com/wordtex
On The Turing Completeness of PowerPoint (SIGBOVIK 2017)
• On The Turing Complete...
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Feelin Good Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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"*data was collected until results confirmed hypothesis" i nearly spit my coffee
CapnCrinklepants I had to do a double take on that one
That’s just standard academic procedure.
Doesn't matter because it's double blindfolded.
It'sflawed - the camera was not blindfolded - better triplefold...
Well, you wouldn't keep looking for your keys after you found em, right? Haha
Laughed at the "include executables". I then laughed even more when I realised the PowerPoint video was also you
Yes, what an easy way to embed malware into an innocent-looking document.
Didn't realize it was him for the PowerPoint as well! This makes even more sense now, haha.
@ That just makes social engineering much more important for spreading malware. Imagine trying to find a reason for someone to do like 1000 mouse clicks.
@@toatrika2443 Yeah, make a word version of the cookie clicker.
@ well, it is comfortable though. You can also attach the music, video or other Microsoft documents
"Hang on while Windows reports the problem to Microsoft..."
Yeah, Microsoft just needs to solve the halting problem, no biggie.
Imagine someone at Microsoft actually looking into that report and wondering WTF the guy was doing.
Nah, they were probably like "Ah! It must be that 10-year old autocorrect memory leak. That's low priority."
The halting problem can be solved if you have finite memory (as is the case), very easily:
- Run the program as usual and at every step check all it's state (that is, memory contents and current state in the machine).
1. If at any point you find that you where already on that state, answer hangs.
2. If at any point you get out of memory, hang.
3. If nothing of the above happens at some point you will halt, since there is a finite number of states (memory included).
Notice that if you try to run the halting problem over itself (as the demonstration of why it doesn't work does), it will hang. That is, when run with itself is still undecidable (not the case for word). Why is beyond the scope of this comment.
@@Robert-zc8hr Well but even in finite memory your proposed checks are not enough. You could have a machine that visits the same state multiple times before reaching an end state.
In your proposal these would also count as non-halting which would be untrue.
You would have to do a full path analysis which you essential cannot do in a generalized (meaning for all finite programs) way. That is the core of the halting problem.
Marcel H If you have a program running the exact same command line with the exact same memory as some earlier point in history, how could it do anything other than what it did the first time, and thus wind up back at the same command line with the same memory again and loop, assuming the program is deterministic (i.e. no randomness, io, etc.)
I clicked on this video solely to find out what that acronym meant.
My mind was blown by the fact that word docs are just zipped XML, though.
turnoverman001 that knowledge came in handy when my final research paper for a class corrupted the day it was due and the only backup was 2 days old. After much fucking around I managed to pull the mostly intact data from the xml and rebuild the formatting.
turnoverman001 In Libre Office you can even use an unzipped format that allows you to use version control software : D
Xitoshi also the LibreOffice XML is much easier to edit by hand
whatfireflies Yep, the Word XML files are basically just an XML rendering of Word’s object model, which is extremely complex. Whether it’s stored in binary or XML is largely irrelevant; it’s the underlying object model that is complex (and very unique, not at all based on tags!!!), and that’s why converting Word documents is so difficult for other apps to do well.
Ever wondered why the new extensions have an "x" at the end? (docx, xlsx, etc.)
That was a damn smooth transition to the turing machine, should have seen that coming.
3:57 - Visual Basic 6 is not the same as the one Office uses, which is the slightly less dreaded VBA (Visual Basic for Applications).
The reason VBA is less dreaded is because less people know about it.
Statistical stupefaction of the day!
Doesn't change the fact that 3 of the top 5 in that list are Visual Basic - VB 6, VB.NET and VBA.
(this is coming from someone who actually likes using VB)
king999art Oh, you‘re the guy. I Heard- myths about you
Vba is how I started coding :) also if your willing wors plugins are easy to write.
2019 survey - most dreaded top position: VBA 75.2%
Wow first I see PPTM and now WordTEX. The Office team should hire you right now
Don't you mean ([P]ᵀᴹ TMᵀᴹ)ᵀᴹ?
I wonder what he can do on OneNote, or Publisher, I am yet to find a good reason to use them.
Felipe Vasconcelos I like OneNote, at work. Never needed Publisher for anything though.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 OneNote is great for taking Notes (on tablets and 2in1 laptops)
I got really excited when I saw autocorrect running Turing machines 😍😍😍😍😍
An acquaintance told me of a friend of his, whose dislike for using Word and similar document editors led to him writing a Vim-script, producing a .docx-file for any latex document he output, in case some university task or collaboration workmates strictly requested hand-ins as word documents. Truly respectable dedication.
Hello Tom, I'm a random 19 year old awake at 3:50 AM due to taking my ADHD medication too late and I just stumbled across your channel from the power point fractal videos. I have absolutely no clue what latex even is but now I am going to try it because it looks aesthetic as hell. That way even if I fail my imrocing exams at least it'll look good. Thank you.
How did it go?
@@HermitianAdjoint commenter got stuck in an infinite loop
i come across this comment 4 years later and check the time: 3:50 AM 😮
I wrote my computer science PhD thesis in 93 in the first version of Word for Windows. Although the visual basic looks scary its not, I remember having a set of word macros that used word bookmarks to be able to take my latex bibliography and insert the correct references and format the biblio at the end. not as powerful as latex, but a lot faster to work in. Alt-F9 is a handy key to know in word, as it toggles between showing the fields/bookmarks by name or by content.
I used this for an assignment in uni. Actually got the bonus points you could get for doing the assignment in latex
people named Tom are really good at sigbovik
If they're so good, why isn't there a Tom 8?
Right?
This is the quality content I hit the bell for all those months ago.
What You See Is Probably Cthulhu Thinking What Offering They Can Get for that acronym.
What You See Is Pretty Close To What Other Tools Can Get
Holy guacamole I won't lie I had to double-check if that kept the entire acronym intact... Hats off to you, sir.
Um... Wow. Is this actually practical? Should this actually be used or developed further? After the (PPT™TM™)™ I did not expect anything practical from you.
Yes, I actually use this for assignments.
Tom Wildenhain Congratulations! You are a minor internet celebrity, because my heart skipped a beat when I saw that you responded to me. I will wait patiently for the next thing you grace the internet with.
I'm so glad TH-cam suggested this to me, I'm surprised I wasn't subscribed after the watching the genius of PP™TM™™.
I'm crying, this video is hilarious. Your delivery and pacing is flawless
"Just make sure your Turing machines halt."
Why? Why on Earth, or any other comparable planet, would you discourage people from crashing their Microsoft products properly?
octet33 I laughed soooo hard at that point in the video
WEEEEEEEEEEE Infinite loops are awesome :D
@@natheniel Same here, hahaha!
Now that's what internet is about. Very nice content. I think this is the channel I subscribed after watching PowerPoint video. Definitely worth it, much appreciated.
Okay, real talk tho, people would have far fewer issues with Word's formatting if they'd A) use the styles at the top instead of manually formatting things and B) leave their images in-line instead of wrapping them tight.
i realized long ago that people who claim that Word is bad and doesn't follow your intent just can't use it right. It is the same thing with people who talk shit about vim or the windows auto-updates
I do a lot of document formatting (in word processors) and you can be really consistent in Word using styles. But it’s still sort of a pain to do so and it requires a lot of menu hopping. I go back and forth between Pages (mac) and Word frequently and Pages is so much faster to format and stay consistent with. I think the only major feature it doesn’t have is mail merge, but it makes up for it in so many other ways (I think Word didn’t support typographic ligatures until like 2015 or something?).
@@vonmorgen3783 It's not that Word doesn't follow your intent... it's that it follows your intent way too well, and so you can make it do really stupid things. One of the greatest parts of LaTeX is that almost nothing is set absolutely in ordinary usage, it's all based around assigning "badness" to various things and letting the program figure out the best balance. It means that you can't totally screw up the layout of your document because you HAVE to have an image in one specific place, but also you absolutely cannot have an orphan, and God forbid you have a line break after an explicit hyphen. While Word will let you tweak settings and enter deeper and deeper circles of typesetting hell, LaTeX will just pick something that sorta works, and you'll probably decide that writing the code to override it isn't worth the effort and get on with your life.
Word should stop people to allow changing font size/ style of every paragraph and force users like Latex to go to styles and alter the style or create a new one. This modular approach is what makes Latex awesome. Formatting should come from styles, not overhead window.
I only watched 2 videos from you and yet I can already tell how awesome you are
You've got your Word in my LaTex! You've got your LaTeX all over my Word! :)
First, this looks like a great tool. Good work.
Just to nitpick (because I'm very good at it :) ), the part on Word's macro language is not quite correct. At 3:55, you highlight Visual Basic 6 as being the most dreaded. Word's macro language, as with most Office applications, is VBA, or Visual Basic for Applications. It's also in the list you cite, but it only has an 80.0% rating versus Visual Basic 6 with 89.9%, so it's slightly less dreaded.
That being said, VBA is a truly dreaded language. I've personally written a *lot* of VBA code (for Access and Excel), and although it's very powerful, it can also be quite cumbersome to deal with. Nowadays, I would never suggest doing any kind of project requiring more than a few VBA macros.
Proof: left to the reader /qed
lmfao
I liked when you embedded the PowerPoint Turing Machine into the WordTeX document. lol
You are a the true MVP of youtube!
The missing "dx" in your integral at 0:06 is bothering me more than it should
It's also missing parentheses.
@@RudeGuyGames the parenthesis are not necessary, as the "dx" is used to "close" the integral and the integrand is between the integral sign and dx anyways
@@adi-sngh it's even worse than that multi-variable integrals, no "dx" or "dy" and it's impossible to tell which variable you're integrating
TIL word is just a crappy xml editor
The way he zoomed out at 0:50, revealing WordTex in MS Word was 👨🍳👌
See, for the first part of this I wanted to do it just for the default headings, titles, etc.
But then I saw the rest.
I no longer wish to.
I'm sorry, is no one going to comment on the "double-blind" study? Easily the best gag in the video.
This is the best youtube video I've seen. Period.
Absolutely love this, this has made my school papers so much more readable.
I've been using LyX to write my LaTeX for the last 16 years and I'm quite happy with the UX and results.
You're a Hero. Thank you for your service. We owe you.
this was FAR more entertaining than i was expecting...
This is the most beautiful word has been.
I always found LaTeX to be "What You See Is Nowhere Close To What Is Output" (or maybe What I Imagine Is Not What Is Printed). Especially those giant margins.
"what you see is pretty close to what other tools can get"
Edit:Tools was the only word I got wrong originally.
As a non-mathsy person learning LaTeX, this looks absolutely dreadful. Bravo!
It IS horrible. Tex/latex are absolutely horrible.
Nice the solution to the halting problem was buried in the word source code all along
It feels magical to write math easily with this font, feeling like a mathematician
This brightened my day. Thanks 😂
when I was in uni I used TeXmacs, which works pretty well
Thanks! I've been using LaTeX for years now, but now someone demands that I turn in a WORD document (yikes) additionally to the PDF. So, I've successfully converted the tex file to docx with pandoc and have applied your template file to it. Looks good.
Jesus the easter egg frequency of this video is about 1 Hz
I'm finally old enough to understand a big boy meme like this one. \laughs & in & latex
There is Wordlike package for LaTeX, it makes documents made in LaTeX look like they were made in Word.
I use Pandoc+Markdown. You can also write parts in Latex if you want to.
I adore your content
Actually it's not Visual Basic 6 but Visual Basic for Applications (VBA), a few rows down the list. And VBA macros allow full control over the contents of a document, they're really great. I once wrote a chess GUI in Excel VBA.
*What You See Is Pretty Close To What Others Think Code Gets
(It's a twist on What You See Is What You Get / WYSIWYG)
Yes we know how jokes work
nice job! this is needed.
This is absolutely incredible and hilarious
It's 1 AM and TH-cam is at it again recommending me absolute gold.
Very interesting. I believe (please excuse me if I am wrong) that OpenOffice/LibreOffice have the necessary features to implement something similar. Any thoughts on that?
Most useful! Thanks a ton!
1:55 That reference is awesome, just like the rest of the video
Type turing machine power point on youtube btw
Same person.
This is beautiful. I think.
Clicked to find out what WYSIPCTWOTCG stood for: 5:00
You are a prince among men!
watched the whole video but i almost missed that, thanks
You are my new favorite person. This is amazing
3:55 - Office macros are written in VBA ("Visual Basic for Applications"), not VB6.
HebaruSan Same shit, different toilet. Jokes aside you're right - VBA is even worse than VB6
This guy is a genius.
You’re doing Gods work
"What You See Is Pretty Close To What Output Tex Can Generate"
Was I close?
I like that Double Blind study
I'm just going to use my PowerPoint Touring Machine to keep my styles!
Btw is this able to keep a clean and easy bibliography?
Thank you for this video. What about LaTeXs immense flora of additional libraries? I could not do without PSTricks. Also can Word export/convert to true LaTeX code? Some journals only accept LaTeX code.
After seeing a few seconds of this video, I was determined to download the template.
You are amazing. Dare say, a god.
Haha, this is brilliant! Thank you!
Marvelous
I edit docx with vim. It opens the docx as zip and then I can change the xml manually. I feel no pain.
Excellent, thank you
honestly, i just write in markdown and then tell pandoc to convert it into pdf through latex. Yes, for math i still have to use latex syntax, but you're doing mostly the same in word anyway, and I get live preview thanks to KateX while writing it. And pandoc can be configured to do literally anything you may need from latex.
Great Job!
This stuff is really interesting
Hi.
So, with this WordTex, i can apply math equation with similar to LaTex style on Microsoft Word?
TH-cam randomly recommended this too me. I wonder if this is the next big video in the random recommend video series YT has going
This is how you do satire, great video!
But, what about those thousands of awesome Latex packages for thousands of applications?
WYSIPCTWOTGC
What you see is probably close to what other tools Gould generate?
*cenerate
1:36 he's actually done it, The absolute mad lad.
I got as far as "what you see is pretty close to what," and assume the last two are "can get," but can't figure out the rest.
Probably "Other tools"?
How did you change the font in equations from Cambria Math??? Asking since we’ve been stumped on this from high school.
www.urtech.ca/2013/05/solved-how-to-change-the-default-font-in-equation-editor-from-cambria/
If you're in Word 2016. Word 2013 and previous, you're out of luck.
Is there an easy way to tell if your Turing machine will halt?
Great video 😉👍
If you would kindly make a tool to autodetect whether a turing machine will halt, then I will install wordtex.
Love it
No one:
This guy: *TURING COMPLETE*
If only I could make sure Turing machines halt, I would be so happy.
OMG when he said "the ability to embed executable programs" and showed that fucking PowerPoint Turing machine
i actually used WordTeX for all of my math papers in college.
I can't believe I actually used to like you, Tom.
Turing machines using replacement in Word
oh yes, that's exactly what I was looking for
I'm waiting for x86 instruction set in word, running windows 95.
Wait can you elaborate on that Turing Machine at the end
Thanks, must try
Mind blown by text editors based in code
haha I read the paper before I even knew of your channel... the people hosting sigbovik suggested triple-blind XD
At 1:42, you talk about the design-->accent menu being slow. I have experienced this by myself too. It has something to do with the way that Word displays documents and almost everything inside of Word (maybe even Office wide). Changing your default printer to Fax, it makes this faster, for me it was a difference from 30 seconds to less than 1 second. I don't know if you want to change your default printer as you have to manually set your printer if you do print something. For me however this was worth it as I use equations quite often for papers.
This should be resolved, but I think a big change in the Word software/display renderer is necessary. A quick solution would be to Always force/use the default fax for the renderer but keep the printer settings of windows in the actual printer settings menu.
Furthermore, this video was great. Latex is very nice but as you say somethings are just a bit easier in Word. Having the flexibility of Latex in Word is kind of a dream.
The fact that your printer characteristics are stored in the Word document and directly used to define the margins, messing the page layout each time you print your document on a different printer, has always baffled me.
Does this work with MS Word on Macs? Never been able to find plugins for Word for Mac before...