I love this - a REAL INTELLIGENT LIVELY SEMINAL discussion with such a high level of discourse about critical seminal issues - better believe what they were saying on the decay of education and the cheapening and laxity of culture - all came true.
I was born in 1967 and went to school in mid-Sussex. My primary school was mediocre in the extreme. We had no science laboratory and I don’t recall any proper science lessons either. I didn’t learn about fractions until I moved to an intermediate school. I was bright and they taught to the lowest common denominator. Thee was bullying by teachers. I remember a teacher refusing a boy a toilet break so that he ended up wetting himself. One teacher asssulted me when I was nine or ten. I’m not aware of any grammar schools in my area but if the did exist, my parents could not have afforded the tuition for the 11+.
Wow! That really descended into a bun fight at the end. But the point about children from deprived backgrounds not thriving under progressive methods has been borne out.
In the early 60s I went to a comprehensive of excellence that was run like a public school. Parents whose children had passed the 11+ fought to get their children there. From 70s onwards state education standards fell dramatically. The comprehensive of excellence, mentioned previously, was unrecognisable by the early 80s. Imo the Establishment has purposely dumbed down education bc it has no desire or need for an educated society. #NWO #TheGreatReset #4IR
The most important factor, the second studio audience member never touched upon as a contributing factor to the reduction of a child's education is.....Family breakdown.
The post-war bathroom-building programme was mostly complete by then, so most of the audience would have had a bath once a week. However, their grandparents didn't believe in unnecessary washing.
This is why schools were such a mess in the 60s and 70s from my own perspective ...you have the likes of Rhodes Whose stance was “know your place” and god fearing discipline which meant you would be given 6 strokes of the cane on a regular basis ....often for farting during assembly and one of the teachers standing at the end of your line would yank you out by the ear and say .... “after this assembly ... you will come to my office lad “ teachers were just mostly either ex national servicemen or ex military officers and going to school was a scary experience.... meanwhile primary school was all like the baldy man on the left advocated was were children were chosen at random to try something different and then their performance 5 years down the road was deemed to have been below standards expected and the radical methods dropped...and then this big political bun fight ensued whilst children’s education was shit.... bright children denied many experiences because of where they came from whilst thick kids from rich families were given different treatment.... For all the shit we read about today and how children are brought up, education has improved so much, but there are many areas in which it has declined
All I remember is rubbish school dinners, freezing 🥶 my nuts of in some Porta cabin class room, over aggressive teaching, but I did learn to read & that iam truly grateful for lol 😂 early 80s/early 90s was grim, I think new labour come to power and invested heavily in schools, they seem very modern and nice now.
I was a kid in the 80s and the school dinners were the best they had ever been....in our area anyway lol and why were you in porta cabin classrooms what kind of hovel were you brought up in
@@marklola12 School diners were horrible mate Chips and burgers everyday absolutely terrible, as for the ports cabin cold damp they were erected as a temporary building but due to conservatives cuts they stayed.
Alan Watts, Yes indeed. Same here. I too went to rubbish secondary school in the 80s under Maggie's rule. Education system was rubbish. You either thrive or fall. Lack of investment in state education had a lot to do with the down fall of state education. And, as you said, Tony Blair came on board way too late for me and had the moto of " Education, Education, Education ". New Labour invested in education and the introduction of OFSTED which whipped schools into shape and school standards went up. Indeed, it is much better now than back then. Well said.
Common thread of poor buildings for Thatchers 1980s kids. Our temporary classrooms had a name. "HORSA" Huts. "Hutting Opperation for the Raising of the School Leaving Age" - not to 16 in 1972, but to 15 in 1946!
Rhodes Boyson is as usual representing what he imagines that the 18th century was like. People like him always stand in the way of social progress. Keeping people in their place. Here he was standing in the way of educational progress by claiming that results were getting worse despite the evidence that they were actually getting better.
Rhodes Boyson thought he came at the end of a 5000 year tradition of education. He must have felt he was heir to the schools which taught cuneiform or hieroglyphics to would-be scribes, but we know nothing about their methods.
No one on the planet has a more complete understanding of the education system and its effects on social psychology than I. On this very specific subject, the knowledge-base between myself and academia is quite literally, intergalactic. It is true that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, however, what value is there in said evidence if it goes unscrutinised? I have presented myself on numerous occasions as the most prolific producer of original thought on the planet and the only challenge against that claim to date is "No you're not" which constitutes both the beginning and the end of the challenge. Note, this challenge itself is a product of the system in question. Another, and more significant point worthy of note is that, everyone who has control of both your lives and your future have been "educated" by this very system. So what, you may ask, is the alternative?
@but ton What do you "think" you know as a result of reading? Perhaps you could give me a history of reading and its affects on natural development both individually and collectively. Do that and perhaps I will consider your rather dull advice. Which, by the way, isn't your advice but that which you inherited from your environment. Furthermore, a pattern you learned how to regurgitate through your so-called, education. I (actually) think you have a lot of work to do.
@but ton Agreeing with me or anyone else has no relevance whatsoever and changes nothing of the extent to which my analysis reflects reality. I don't convey my thoughts for agreement nor to gain friends, and neither should anyone. The origin and function of the written word remain, dispite debate between modern domesticed primates. If I offend the individual I extended that to the collective and vice versa. If people wish to take offence at that then so beit. Being offended does not concen me one iota. I cannot be offended precisely because I am superior. What you do with that particular pearl of wisdom and knowledge is up to you. I care not.
Large percentage of people arent interested in education so teaching them the current curriculum is a waste of time.Teach or train them in what they are good at.11 or 13 forced years at school and they arent guarenteed a job or anything.
♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ We don't need no education We don't need no thought control No dark sarcasm in the classroom Teachers leave them kids alone ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ Hey, teachers, leave them kids alone All in all it's just another brick in the wall All in all you're just another brick in the wall We don't need no education We don't need no thought control No dark sarcasm in the classroom Teachers leave those kids alone ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ Hey teachers, leave those kids alone All in all you're just another brick in the wall All in all you're just another brick in the wall. ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ Dang! look at those remains of the 1800's mutton chops and the rotten yellow teeth!
Without doubt our Secondary schools are a hell of a lot better now. Don't like Blair, especially after Iraqi war fiasco. But he and Gordon Brown really improved the vast majority of state secondary schools via the OFSTEAD league tables...standard external exams and lastly by the Academy system, taking the schools out of left wing extremist control !
I love this - a REAL INTELLIGENT LIVELY SEMINAL discussion with such a high level of discourse about critical seminal issues - better believe what they were saying on the decay of education and the cheapening and laxity of culture - all came true.
although many of the same issues still exist
those sideburns are spectacular
Yeh bro like elvis on steroids x 10
Sideburns, came all the way back into fashion, from the 19th Century. Resembles, the "beard" fashion, of the last 10 years.
There're Mutton chops dear boy.
So are the slap heads, bloody amazing stuff
I was born in 1967 and went to school in mid-Sussex. My primary school was mediocre in the extreme. We had no science laboratory and I don’t recall any proper science lessons either. I didn’t learn about fractions until I moved to an intermediate school. I was bright and they taught to the lowest common denominator. Thee was bullying by teachers. I remember a teacher refusing a boy a toilet break so that he ended up wetting himself. One teacher asssulted me when I was nine or ten.
I’m not aware of any grammar schools in my area but if the did exist, my parents could not have afforded the tuition for the 11+.
Thanks for the new Thames TV!
God bless you!
And thanks for Share us Those moments!...
This was the best thing I've seen in I don't know when - my God this was good - how real, alive and engaged was this real discussion.
Wow! That really descended into a bun fight at the end. But the point about children from deprived backgrounds not thriving under progressive methods has been borne out.
In the early 60s I went to a comprehensive of excellence that was run like a public school. Parents whose children had passed the 11+ fought to get their children there.
From 70s onwards state education standards fell dramatically.
The comprehensive of excellence, mentioned previously, was unrecognisable by the early 80s.
Imo the Establishment has purposely dumbed down education bc it has no desire or need for an educated society.
#NWO #TheGreatReset #4IR
Is it a side burns competition? 👍🏻😉
The most important factor, the second studio audience member never touched upon as a contributing factor to the reduction of a child's education is.....Family breakdown.
Ylla etc: What do you mean by "family breakdown"?
Can imagine most of them haven't had a bath in weeks
The post-war bathroom-building programme was mostly complete by then, so most of the audience would have had a bath once a week. However, their grandparents didn't believe in unnecessary washing.
I went through hell in school in the 70s
The 1970s was not a great time for Britain
1970s debates are so entertaining to watch
This seemed to be an odd style trend in middle-aged men in the 1970s - bald as a coot on top of the head, but hairier than Wolverine round the sides.
This is why schools were such a mess in the 60s and 70s from my own perspective ...you have the likes of Rhodes Whose stance was “know your place” and god fearing discipline which meant you would be given 6 strokes of the cane on a regular basis ....often for farting during assembly and one of the teachers standing at the end of your line would yank you out by the ear and say .... “after this assembly ... you will come to my office lad “ teachers were just mostly either ex national servicemen or ex military officers and going to school was a scary experience.... meanwhile primary school was all like the baldy man on the left advocated was were children were chosen at random to try something different and then their performance 5 years down the road was deemed to have been below standards expected and the radical methods dropped...and then this big political bun fight ensued whilst children’s education was shit.... bright children denied many experiences because of where they came from whilst thick kids from rich families were given different treatment....
For all the shit we read about today and how children are brought up, education has improved so much, but there are many areas in which it has declined
All I remember is rubbish school dinners, freezing 🥶 my nuts of in some Porta cabin class room, over aggressive teaching, but I did learn to read & that iam truly grateful for lol 😂 early 80s/early 90s was grim, I think new labour come to power and invested heavily in schools, they seem very modern and nice now.
I was a kid in the 80s and the school dinners were the best they had ever been....in our area anyway lol and why were you in porta cabin classrooms what kind of hovel were you brought up in
@@marklola12 School diners were horrible mate Chips and burgers everyday absolutely terrible, as for the ports cabin cold damp they were erected as a temporary building but due to conservatives cuts they stayed.
Alan Watts,
Yes indeed. Same here. I too went to rubbish secondary school in the 80s under Maggie's rule. Education system was rubbish. You either thrive or fall. Lack of investment in state education had a lot to do with the down fall of state education. And, as you said, Tony Blair came on board way too late for me and had the moto of " Education, Education, Education ". New Labour invested in education and the introduction of OFSTED which whipped schools into shape and school standards went up. Indeed, it is much better now than back then. Well said.
Common thread of poor buildings for Thatchers 1980s kids. Our temporary classrooms had a name. "HORSA" Huts. "Hutting Opperation for the Raising of the School Leaving Age" - not to 16 in 1972, but to 15 in 1946!
ditto lol
Education by catchment area. Cheers guys. You really showed those grammar schools.
Amazing to think that those children are now in their 60s and 70s.
Rhodes Boyson is as usual representing what he imagines that the 18th century was like. People like him always stand in the way of social progress. Keeping people in their place. Here he was standing in the way of educational progress by claiming that results were getting worse despite the evidence that they were actually getting better.
00:08 Voice crack
Amusing irony in the opening statement about a generation of illiterates who need more Reading Righting and Rithmetic 🤣
I spy someone who could do with more writing practice.
@@faithlesshound5621 Monkey boy was just trying to be funny, there's clearly nothing wrong with their literacy.
Rhodes Boyson thought he came at the end of a 5000 year tradition of education. He must have felt he was heir to the schools which taught cuneiform or hieroglyphics to would-be scribes, but we know nothing about their methods.
What would people think of guy with a short clean military haircut back then?
The "commissionaire" would think he was a hooligan and keep him out.
Never mind the arguments, check out those whiskers.
Boyson certainly got it right - and that was nearly 50 years ago.
48 years ago wow. I love the Mancunian Dr Rhodes Boyson just telling it like it is -none of that southern softy stuff
Same here
You bypassed my post, without question for this guff. This is, without a doubt, an absolute sign of the times.
@@MrAndrew535
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
That beyond fake grey wig and black marker eyebrows haha
Standards of Accountability... I love that one, I shall be using that one in bed tonight.
You had no chance if you attended a Secondary Modern or Comp...Thanks God for OFSTED.
No one on the planet has a more complete understanding of the education system and its effects on social psychology than I.
On this very specific subject, the knowledge-base between myself and academia is quite literally, intergalactic.
It is true that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, however, what value is there in said evidence if it goes unscrutinised?
I have presented myself on numerous occasions as the most prolific producer of original thought on the planet and the only challenge against that claim to date is "No you're not" which constitutes both the beginning and the end of the challenge. Note, this challenge itself is a product of the system in question.
Another, and more significant point worthy of note is that, everyone who has control of both your lives and your future have been "educated" by this very system.
So what, you may ask, is the alternative?
@but ton What do you "think" you know as a result of reading?
Perhaps you could give me a history of reading and its affects on natural development both individually and collectively.
Do that and perhaps I will consider your rather dull advice. Which, by the way, isn't your advice but that which you inherited from your environment. Furthermore, a pattern you learned how to regurgitate through your so-called, education.
I (actually) think you have a lot of work to do.
@but ton Agreeing with me or anyone else has no relevance whatsoever and changes nothing of the extent to which my analysis reflects reality.
I don't convey my thoughts for agreement nor to gain friends, and neither should anyone.
The origin and function of the written word remain, dispite debate between modern domesticed primates.
If I offend the individual I extended that to the collective and vice versa. If people wish to take offence at that then so beit. Being offended does not concen me one iota.
I cannot be offended precisely because I am superior. What you do with that particular pearl of wisdom and knowledge is up to you. I care not.
Coming up next.......the Sex Pistols!
Large percentage of people arent interested in education so teaching them the current curriculum is a waste of time.Teach or train them in what they are good at.11 or 13 forced years at school and they arent guarenteed a job or anything.
♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
Hey, teachers, leave them kids alone
All in all it's just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall
We don't need no education
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave those kids alone
♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
Hey teachers, leave those kids alone
All in all you're just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall. ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬
Dang! look at those remains of the 1800's mutton chops and the rotten yellow teeth!
What a shambles!
I once gave Rhodes Boyson a foot massage.
2nd
Hey Rhodes,…I think you’ve gone too far…
Without doubt our Secondary schools are a hell of a lot better now. Don't like Blair, especially after Iraqi war fiasco. But he and Gordon Brown really improved the vast majority of state secondary schools via the OFSTEAD league tables...standard external exams and lastly by the Academy system, taking the schools out of left wing extremist control !
What a boad of lollocks.
Google
Made by a Indian
We followed the second guy and look where we are. Fucked.