Bryan Alvarez having a breakdown and crying about how he had “nothing to do” with this whole situation is hilarious. People are starting to see through these clowns and their blatant smear campaign. If these PPV pressers were truly legitimate, Dave and Bryan would no longer be invited. They’re not journalists.
Seriously. He's getting paid more, on a better stage, being (largely) made to look better, to a bigger audience, and can pivot to Hollywood. In AEW had had to listen to Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks, and pretend like he seriously liked their ideas.
@@actuallynotsteveBut WWE didn't have him beat Roman for the belts like they should have, nor given him a rematch. I will agree when Cody beats Roman for the belts.
10:05 - 10:35 I LOVE how in 30 secs, Dave goes from saying that Hangman going offscript has nothing to do with the bucks, to saying that Punk going offscript was 'totally unprofessional' 😂😂😂 These self proclaimed journalists and their mark fans have always been whats wrong with wrestling.
“The whole thing started with Punk calling out Adam Page.” Now, I’m no wrestling savant, Uncle Dave, but I’m pretty sure Page knocked Punk in that promo first. The fact that thousands of marks take Meltzer seriously is an embarrassment to the wrestling community.
@@joelkirkwood8224 Page goes into business for himself = Completely fine. Punk goes into business for himself = Unprofessional. Yeah, that makes complete sense. Why is it so hard for you AEW fanboys to take your blinders off and just admit that Adam Page started this whole shit?
@@forbsey276 It's because AEW Marks are stuck on the internet. On the internet you can disrespect and get disrespected with no repercussions. They think real life follows those same rules.
Dave is projecting what the Elite and Jericho have done onto Punk, its so transparent. The only people who don't see it are the people who are choosing not to see it.
@@greglr19751 Thats how culture works now... its a strict binary... if you aren't on "the right side of history" then you are evil and "stuck in the past," and everybody has to condemn you or else its guilt by association and they also become evil by default.
There’s a reason why Vince McMahon never wanted Meltzers name mentioned on WWE television. He knows Meltzer has always been a mark. And if you watch the old Donahue show in which both Vince and Meltzer were on the show, Vince always looked annoyed when Meltzer spoke.
Meltzer is literally arguing that optics about being professional are more important than actually being professional. People should really let that sink in for a second.
If these PPV pressers were truly legitimate, Dave and Bryan would no longer be invited. They’re not journalists, they’re just guys with a podcast, who have not only run a smear campaign against the company’s top star, but they have damaged the entire promotion as a whole. If Tony had any stones, he’d blacklist them.
It's a privately owned company so you can allow or not allow whoever you want. Dave sucks the teat of AEW and is only still relevant because of his bias for AEW/Bucks. Tony wants this stuff to be talked about in all reality. When Punk comes back that will the biggest moment in AEW history.
well at least Bryan admitted he doesn't consider himself a journalist and screaming on top of his lungs that he never claimed to be one on his podcasts over and over to death
The bucks were against Punk from the beginning, I remember seeing being the elite when Punk debuted and they were rolling their eyes and being smart asses about it.
They got mad because he called them out for tweeting him about working for AEW instead of making a professional offer as EVPs. He basically told a couple of kids to grow up and they went childish tantrum instead.
Brian Alvarez in particular has been an absolute joke during this entire situation. He's even in the middle of it since the presser after all out. He took Punks words personally and has handled it like a coward ever since.
I got a good chuckle from his "that's what I should have said" rant on his podcast after Punk called him out. Like a silly teenager feeling salty in his bedroom after losing another argument with his parents!
The fact that CM Punk is scheduled to come back in June, but the issues between him Jericho, The Elite, Moxley, and Hangman still hasn’t been resolved is a lack of leadership on Tony Khan’s part. The issues between Britt Baker and Thunder Rosa clearly still haven’t been resolved.
I never liked Andrade but him telling tony he wont punch sammy then doing it and wanting to get fired was my favorite part of his career. Then I laughed when he asked to be fired for it and tony said he knows andrade wants to be fired so he'll punish him by doing the opposite and keeping him under contract 😂🤣
Notice how both Eddie Kingston and Andrade had problems with Sammy. Now they're both off of TV while Sammy is still featured. Jericho calling Punk a locker room cancer is hilarious when one of Jerichos disciples is a real cancer.
@@WeBarelySober JeriHogan, but with out the actual: clout, drawing ability, or status. Hence the reason why he wants to suck the clout, status, and drawing ability, out of every other guy coming up, or every other established guy in the company.
Exactly. Punk literally lost his shit because the elites and Page were lying about him to the dirtsheets to turn people against him and watching so many people side with liars and rumor spreaders over the guy who stood up to them while Tony did fuck all but sit there like a doofus is absurd to me.
It’s been hilarious to hear him accused of gaslighting when all Dax has even said is that Punk misses wrestling, he wants to return because he’s passionate about wrestling and that Punk is willing to work things out and work with them. That’s it he’s never said one thing about the Elite not being willing to work with them or preventing Punks return. The people accusing him of gaslighting the company have all just inferred them saying that but the reality is people are believeing their unwillingness to work with Punk because the Elite have been silent about it and not expressed anything about wanting or actively working on working things out. If the Elite felt they were being thrown under the bus they could easily publicly state they’ll do business or they could explain why they won’t. But they won’t say anything and then get upset that people are inferring their mindsets which is entirely a result from them choosing to stay silent and expressing no indication of being willing to be professional.
The fight his boss let him take? The fight that culminated with him bating Cena and running with the belt? Punk and Vince didnt like each other, but certanly made a lot of money toghether. Something the elite are to dumb to notice, TK killed his golden goose. But Punk probably was think about WWE since the time he did the special on Fox.
@@dhenderson1810that was an angle, everyone admits that. Pink did a fair few things in WWE that didn't do him credit but the Pipe bomb was approved and scripted.
Bryan & Dave are honestly pathetic and unprofessional in their own right, but here we are. Thank you Brian and Jim for your faithful coverage of Markville, USA
@@arthurdaffos1490 Allegations ? Oh yeah it's not like Punk litteraly started all of this because of allegations, dude made up some bs in his mind 😂😂😂😂 Those are facts if you can't see it you are a dummy but I can't expect a Jim Cornette dickrider to be smart, I bet you still believe they kicked the door down 😂😂😂😂😂
The Elite, along with honorary member Chris Jericho, singlehandedly killed my interest in watching any modern wrestling. The sooner they're downplayed the better
“Of course Punk wants to work with Elite”. There is no way I can take Dave serious anymore. He rides the petite so hard. Punk was already a bigger star than all three of those clowns put together 20 years ago.
Yeah, that's absolutely stupid. Punk worked with legends of this business (hell, he made me believe the streak could be over) , was a hell of a heel WWE Champion, but wants to work with the guys that were doing dives in PWG in front of 50 guys.
The Bucks, well before the Punk fight, pulled the whole getting the Elite back together thing out to get out of putting FTR over in the rubber match. This has been going on well before the Punk situation.
Remember they decide that instead of dropping the belts to FTR a real tag team they drop the belts to Keith Unlimited Boringness Lee and some other guy nobody cares about other than Top Dollar a tag team that only lasted a couple of months but remember when that happen Dave and Bryan keep their mouths shut the only reason we know this story is because someone else reported the story but Observer never did
@@JoseFlores-xc7wu Absolutely! Melty and Alvie were lucky that the Acclaimed got as hot as they did which clouded everyone’s mind about the Cucks-FTR situation and those two geeks rode that wave. FTR had all the other titles from other companies so they managed to keep themselves relevant with great matches outside AEW but the Cucks who’ve been phoning it in since day one couldn’t and the kiddos think it’s everyone else’s fault but them. Lol, Gtfo! 😂
Funny how you call out some people for refusing to do the job for others and keeping people down, yet when some of your faves do it, you overlook it. How come no one ever calls out "Stone Cold" Steve Austin not putting over the Rock in any match until their final one, or Austin not fighting Brock, or Austin politicking and getting Jim Ross to hold down Jeff Jarrett in WWE, or refusing a match with Hulk Hogan. The fact is, they all do it. They all play politics and are out for themselves, even your favourites.
@dhenderson1810 Austin winning over Rock both times was best for business. He refused to wrestle Brock Lesnar in a TV match with no build rather than a hyped PPV match. Lesnar vs Austin for the WWE Titile with at least a month's build on PPV? Or a random TV King of the Ring first round match on RAW? Do the math. Jeff Jarrett was held down due to Jeff strong arming Vince for more money to put China over fro the IC title when he didn't have a contract with WWE anymore and was leaving for WCW. Your comment proves you know nothing about the history of even modern wrestling. Go away now.
@@GraniteShaker I more think that Austin should have lost to the Rock at IYH D-Generation X PPV (since Rock was just handed the IC the next night anyway). Lesnar v Austin was planned to have Hulk Hogan return and accidentally cost Austin the match and then Austin would do the same to Hogan, with a plan to do Hogan v Austin at the next year's Wrestlemania (and it has been suggested that this is why Austin refused to go it, because he didn't want a match against Hogan). Jarrett was held down by Austin because Austin wrestled for Jerry Jarrett early in his career and Jeff, being the owner's son, threw his weight around. So when Jarrett came on "Austin's" turf, he returned the favour, and Jim Ross, who was friends with Austin, badmouthed Jarrett to Vince. Now make excuses for other wrestlers playing politics, Sycophant.
Dave just keeps bringing us all great content, in probably not the way he wants. Dave and Brian stir the pot and then always attempt to back out of things that they indeed said
Exactly, they were the ones who were feeding the narrative that in all likelihood according to their sources and the people that they talk to that CM Punk probably won't be back when a smart people can read between the lines and understand how simple business works.
Right? I mean yes. It's not they're fault these things happend. But you know who makes a big deal out of all of it? THE PUBLIC and who tells the public? Dave and Bryan. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't know half the things we do. They'd be dealt with behind close doors and in a smooth, more professional manner. People wouldn't be going at these wrestlers online for things they did or didn't do. And on top of that, half the stuff these guys report they hear from the locker room. Normally a biased opinion one way or another. They just need to stop.
@@e-man7143 Meltzer can't be a$$ed fact-checking - he & his little lap dog Alvarez just make shit up to suit their own agenda. They're just wanna-be tabloid reporters - they should just get a job in the M_rdoch media.
What's the deal with punk and FTR Dave and Alvarez: we have no clue. We just talk to the bucks and Jericho and make shit up from there. We never bother calling the other guys
Pet Monkey Alvarez sounds correct because anytime he needed to go against Dave. He can't defend himself so he waits until he does his figure four daily with Lance Storm and begs Lance to back him up and defend him against Dave.
I promise you, the best way to follow AEW is to just catch MJF stuff on TH-cam, and let Jim and Brian describe the rest of it to you. I've seen a single full episode of Dynamite (that I went to, live), and have been having as much fun following this way as I did watching Raw in the Attitude Era.
Did anyone else hear Alvarez's voice going "Hey!" right after that or am I going crazy? Nobody else is talking about this so it's really fuckin weird...
The real reason the elite don't want Punk back is because they are embarrassed that they had a 5 to 2 advantage in a locker-room brawl and they still got their asses kick by two old guys and a dog so having Punk there is gonna be a constant reminder of that incident
Didn't the elite power play punk out of there behind his back. Ftr is their absolute best tag team period. Punk is their biggest draw. Their biggest gates were with punk in the card for their big pay per views
Punk vs Dax Harwood would be a great money match if Dax is buildup. From a storyline point, Punk turning on Dax would ultimately make Dax the biggest face in AEW and Punk the biggest heel. Its the whole "I was the only one to stand up for you while no one else did and you heartlessly stabbed me in the back!" writes itself.
@@Drfrostybrew Pushing "stories" and rumors about past events to make Punk look like an asshole every time. For the past 6 months every time we got some positive news about a possible Punk comeback the WON schmucks always try to shut it down. Like in February this year. "Punk wants to comeback". Then the next day Dave & Co decide to talk albout the DoN main event, pushing the idea that Punk refused to lose to Hangman etc. The match is nearly a year old now but they only decided to talk about it on that very day. How convenient right ? Same shit with Dax. Dude talks positively about Punk then Meltzer says "he's got backstage heat". Just STFU Dave.
Is it not a coincidence that each time there is positive progress between Punk and AEW, out trots Uncle Dave putting a spanner in the works and causing mayhem? He caused the whole Punk/Moxley thing and now this. Not to mention all the anti-Punk stuff he put out prior to All-Out. He's legitimately trying to influence AEW by putting out all this shit.
We have come to the point where the dirt sheet writers are openly sabotaging plans and storylines. How the hell hasn't the boys rounded these guys up and put the boots to em is beyond me 😑
@@zlinedavid Bingo! Without Dave or Omega, would people really care about the Bucks? Like really, how popular were they before latching on to the Bullet Club and Omega?
@@KaiTakApproach what has he sabotaged? Cause I don’t see him coming out and accusing wrestlers trying to get people fired? However, I do remember Dave and other dirtsheets that are pro AEW… running with “punk wanted cabana out” story as if it was the gospel truth! Now, they are doing this right as talks of punk wanting to return have come out…that is no coincidence. If you truly believe the Elite aren’t feeding this bull yo Dave & crew you are crazy. Dave & crew wanted punk to get punished for going off script on Adam Page, but didn’t have the same energy for Adam page who went off script first! Tell me how that isn’t sabotage?
I’m pretty sure FTR were saying “dude let’s work together!” The entire year they were the best tag team in every company they were in besides AEW because the Bucks didn’t want to give them a match
Watching the whole AEW drama unfold is like watching two children fighting in public while their mom or dad fails miserably to enforce any form of discipline.
What does AEW have to do with any of this? This is Dave saying this or that, we have no idea what's going on in AEW so people saying there sick of AEW drama don't know what there talking about!
I finally saw him in person at a show here in LA, and he honestly looks like a 50-something year old guy who lives with his mother and wears the sweater she laid out for him. It's hard to explain, but seeing him in person was one of the more depressing things I've ever seen in wrestling.
Punk was unprofessional for airing dirty laundry at the press conference, and to his credit, he did apologize for that (and didn't blame someone else for once). The Elite is to blame.
He did for a reason. His ego was bruised for having to lose to Punk because of Punk's UFC losses... not realizing wrestling is entirely different. It's not like Punk was fresh off those losses. People were happy to see him back wrestling and no one gives a shit about Fish.
Here’s the funny thing, Bryan and Dave NEVER bring up the story about the leaks about CM Punk “holding back” Colt Cabana, Who was never doing anything on TV before Punk got there anyways…
I don't know why Dave can't be an adult and realize he's part of the problem. I'd have lot more respect for Dave if he just said " The issue is partially my fault, I'm too close to this topic and CM Punk hurt my feelings, so I'm going to stop talking about it because I can't be unbiased."
I find it very interesting that Dave adopted the "Everyone knew wrestling was fake, since the 1890s even." Right at the time that the flippy flop fans started adopting that as their big talking point as to why everyone but them is wrong about what wrestling "is"
If Meltzer ever got off his knees and stopped knob-polishing the Young Bucks and Omega maybe he'd be able to think straight. None of them have EVER been a big deal in this side of the world. Kudos to them for what they did in Japan but this ain't Japan, it's a completely different audience and with this audience, they aren't that over, not even Omega got that over during his "belt collector" phase a few years ago. The fact is, they're executives that refuse to do business and because of it, it's greatly hindered what the product could've been. They're on a power trip and Dave is their cheerleader. Going back to where these issues started, Punk said something but the Bucks were the ones who actually tried to make it physical at work. Pretty sure the Bucks were ALOT more unprofessional than Punk was.
Executives who never had a real sense of E-suite business management. Meltzer harping off about Japanese wrestling… why not make the big leap and migrate there? Oh that’s right they might not accept gaijin immigrants in their 60s who can’t even speak a lick of Nippongo and probably flunk out of language class - N5, the introductory level - because he’s covering a series of shows the week he’s due to start the course.
Hangman has been portrayed in storyline and real life so so poorly, it's a non sympathetic and a non aggressive character simultaneously. The less of Adam Page the better
6 months later. It’s everyone’s fault. And no one is to blame more than TK! Had he been a real boss and not everyone’s friend he would’ve told em “get along or move along!” The only loyalty he should have is to his fan base. Not one singular person or faction is bigger than the company. And the fact that TK is still allowing all these leaks to keep happening and I’m sure he’s sharing them himself is embarrassing. Uncle Dave is a tool and always has been. Uhm well yeah see uhm uhm uhm yeah ah ah uhm.
@@dhenderson1810 so why not learn from Eric? But I don’t think so because Eric never had any infighting like this. Did he have certain people calling shots absolutely brother. But not once and if I’m wrong correct me did her ever have people fighting like this and have to split 2 rosters because people couldn’t get along. And by singular I was talking about Punk 100 percent
and wembly gonna sell out for Punk alone ? this isnt chicago. Like EB said if TK needs to rely on Cm punk to draw eyes in his product basically disrespects the entire AEW roster including MJF who is perceived as a " Top Heel "
@@ec5018 No one said it was going to sell out but they don’t have anyone on the roster with the drawing power of Punk whether u like him or not it’s facts.
Dave Meltzer is the biggest cheerleader that Kenny and the Buck's have. He will spin every situation and tell any lie necessary to make his beloved Elite look good. They must have fed Dave a lot of information for free to buy this kind of loyalty.
Oooof that's a tough one. Russo might sadly be the most eloquent of the trio but like the others he's unbearable. Moxley is easily going to be a candidate of CTE especially if he falls off the wagon and stops staying sober again. Meltzer's word salads and loss of vocabulary is also quite appalling and barely half of his sentences are even understandable. Tough call. It's a tie between Moxley and Dave as who'd be worse to listening to imo. With those two it'll only regress with time due to Moxley's lifestyle, and Dave may develop dementia sooner than later due to his age.
So, Hangman going off script is fine, but Punk doing the same thing back to him and not being punished for it is what caused most of the problems in AEW? Thanks for clearing that up Dave. 🤣🤣
It's like if your kid gets suspended from school, because he fought back with a bully who kept picking on him and hitting him for weeks. Is beating the shit out of the bully the right move? Not exactly. But can you be mad at your kid for fighting back at an asshole? Not really.
@@dhenderson1810 dunno. Don't care. I am speaking on the headline of this particular video.Seriously,I am not even a CM Punk fan. But the Elite are not it,as entertainers or execs. They should have called it a night that night,and approached the issue better as execs another day.
@@jamaalmoses8821 Punk is the one who made it public. He should have spoken to the Elite backstage instead of airing dirty laundry, but as Punk proved in both.WWE and AEW, it is all about him and what he wants ahead of what is best for business.
@@dhenderson1810 One last time ,let's say Punk was wrong for his words at the Media Scrum.His employer was right there,and chose to not correct him. The Elite are executives in a multi million dollar company. They chose to behave as tough guys,and whatever happened happened. No party in the situation,Punk included were professional that night. The term best for business does not apply to anything in AEW. They are mostly childish and amateurish. So if Punk is so bad and ego centric ,he is right at home in AEW.
The fact is the Elite and Jericho were given the ball for the last 9 months and the ratings went down, the product got worse and the WWE regained their footing. These are facts.
Dave is absolutely compromised at this point. If this was Vince's company and Vince had all his facilities in mind, Vince wouldn't cow-tow to The Elite and all their little cronies, Vince would bring Punk back and tell the The Elite and their little cronies to deal with it. This is just further proof Tony needs someone in there that cares about business and drawing money rather than catering to a bunch of job guys who think they're hot shit cause they appease the internet marks.
lmao but TK is a businessman, which WHY he is bringing punk back and right now FTR are the tag champs. The only other thing is bucks/omega are gonna use all this as leverage to then squeeze TK for more $$$
He’s long been compromised on the AEW front with Tony blatantly telling him years ago that all his knowledge of the wrestling business and how to manage a promotion came from that dirtsheet. The NJPW situation a few weeks back stoked the fire even more. Some “wrestling journalist”!
Vince Would fire The Evps off their position suspend them without pay and If The Elites and Hangnail returned they would be jobbing for a year and humiliated on Tv . I don't like Vince but he wouldn't let any of this fly let along keep wrestlers that can't make him money.
The more I see this AEW drama, the more I appreciate the way WWE deals with the wrestling medias. WTF are they doing over at AEW !? How could you let people that are not even affiliated to your company have so much influence on your backstage?
@@SquirtketchupallovermyhotdogWaiting to see some AEW nuff nuff make a criticism of Vince McMahon, which they always do when their precious AEW is being criticized.
It’s been a month and I still haven’t figured out how Dave thought Punk and FTR were going to run Omega and the Bucks out of the company they’re EVPs of, even if they wanted to. Unless Meltzer just wanted to keep it fresh in everyone’s mind that “Punk causes people to lose their job,” which couldn’t possibly be his motive.
Honestly…I hope they are. Specifically the Hardly Boys. They’re the real locker room cancer. I don’t think Twinkletoes proactively does as much. He’ll react to situations, but I don’t see him as an active manipulator. I don’t think he has the balls for it and I don’t think he has the right manipulative mind to do it.
@@3DBrawlChannel I'd say that is evidence that his mind isn't up to the standard required for manipulation... The gap between his intellect and how smart he thinks he is is so big, one of the friendly trained monkeys is going to try and do a dive off it...
“How are you fine fellows? … We are not a tribute act!” - Olivier. Remember that shit speech he gave after the show when he returned? That was trying to make the fans think a certain way about the Elite after the show was over. 😂
I wont say that the bucks are locker room cancer: what I'll say is that their EVP position has left the boys compromised....you cant really criticized them of you are their employee. This is was cody came to realize.
Do you notice that every time progress seems to be happening and things calm down, someone like Meltzer releases new anti-Punk sentiment? The timing is ALWAYS when Punk's return looks promising. Not a coincidence. Punk was right about leaks and an agenda against him.
When this all kicked off Meltzer stated on his show that AEW could have launched successfully without Jericho and Moxley but could never be successful without the Bucks. That's the level of ass kissery Dave gives to his prized informants.
I know I'm way late to this comment but is that true? Guys like Jericho, Moxley, Cody and even Kenny Omega (whose NJPW stuff I enjoyed) were much bigger stars than the Young Bucks.
Punk driving the elite out of aew would be the best thing to happen to that company since it's inception. It's a complete and overall positive for aew and thr business.
Joshua Kessler I wondered why I kept hearing babies crying the entirety of that day when no one who lives near me has any. I must’ve heard The MasseyGill bunch all the way from Cucamonga.
Meltzer is as much a part of the problem as the Elite and Jericho. He has to make Daddy Khan look good. He'd hate to have his voters, not crown Snowman as the 4-time Booker of the Year. The best part of this is Meltzer's trained monkey, Alvarez is completely losing his shit over this, between Dax's comments, the ratings every week, and the constant trolling by "the Momentum shift" of AEW that has yet to come to pass,
Nobody (besides the Elite and Meptzer) has anything bad to say about FTR. They always come across as respectful and humble and straight shooters. Total opposite of the catty Elite
It's crazy, Meltzer tipped their hand that the Bucks and company were gonna get punk kicked out of the company. We all missed it.. It didn't even take them 4 months
The reason Tony Khan and Dave connect so well is because their love of professional wrestling is centered heavily around process. I've always said that AEW is the first major post-wrestling promotion. A meta promotion. It's always process over product. It's no coincidence that many of the AEW wrestlers come from that same mindset. It's process first, business second. Because of their mutual love of process, Dave has felt very emboldened to stake his ground. It's his dream come true to connect with someone like Tony. He feels empowered and it's why he has become such a vocal player in this whole drama. I'm in the minority as far as AEW's future is concerned -- this is a treadmill promotion that has enough energy to drag on for a few decades and ultimately influence a new generation of talent in the wrong way. TNA is AEW's forefather but had better wrestling and star power.
Bryan Alvarez is the worst one out of this. He was one of the main investigators of the gossip and once he got caught, he wants to go into hiding and say he had nothing to do with anything. I almost feel bad for Dave because his partner is trying to bail out on him. Sheesh, with friends like these 🙄😂
What a squirelly wusshat Alvarez is. No wonder the books he’s written are better off as kindling. Go back to your Backyard wrestling promotion where you belong!
That Deadspin article about punk “gaslighting” his way back is hilarious. Punk has said nothing since the scrum but these idiots keep acting like Punk is saying all of these things. What a joke.
Someone once told Triple H "I don't have to work with you, you have work with me". Seems like the Elite should listen to those words. CM Punk said that to one of the top executives (at the time) , in the one of the world's biggest companies, going into their biggest event. I highly doubt Punk will be chasing after Kenny and the Bucks to work with them.
Jesus christ. I remember the instant reaction to that Punk press conference was that there was a ton of money to be made. Then the news of the brawl broke out, and if true, it sounds like the Elite have lost all perspective. The main goal is to draw money in big matches. The Punk press conference, real or worked, would have drawn massive numbers if they can just get over their egos.
yup i actually remember those two clowns saying "well if cooler heads can prevail they could all make money amd out this behind them" now they are claiming punk/ftr are trying to get rid of the bucks smfh
It isn't a good idea to have people with legit heat fight each other in a match, as trust is required to know that your opponent will keep you safe in the ring. The Elite might have tried to injure Punk in a match for re if it was in the ring.
Bryan Alvarez having a breakdown and crying about how he had “nothing to do” with this whole situation is hilarious. People are starting to see through these clowns and their blatant smear campaign. If these PPV pressers were truly legitimate, Dave and Bryan would no longer be invited. They’re not journalists.
I miss when Alvarez was fun. The Bryan and Vinny show was legendary in its prime.
@@SchmergDergen The TNA reviews were some of their best listens.
@@SchmergDergen He’s become such a weasel ever since Punk rightfully called him out
I think Alvarez is starting to see Dave's losing his shit......and maybe not!
@@garyhen2028 BUT CAN THEY CO-EXIST?!
Cody leaving was the smartest move he’s ever made.
Seriously. He's getting paid more, on a better stage, being (largely) made to look better, to a bigger audience, and can pivot to Hollywood.
In AEW had had to listen to Kenny Omega and The Young Bucks, and pretend like he seriously liked their ideas.
He seems to always leave a company at the right time.
@@actuallynotsteveBut WWE didn't have him beat Roman for the belts like they should have, nor given him a rematch.
I will agree when Cody beats Roman for the belts.
@@dhenderson1810he still got to be a in a WM main event.
Titles aren't real in wrestling
@@AndrewClement Funny how they are when fans say they are.
In my eyes, CM Punk and FTR trying to run The Elite out of AEW isn't an accusation, it's a compliment.
It would certainly be a gift to the rest of us
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Fr I'd happily show the Buckaroos the door and they can take the JeriHogan society with em.
@@dejuans1328 Trash.
As much as I can't stand CM Punk I have to agree
10:05 - 10:35
I LOVE how in 30 secs, Dave goes from saying that Hangman going offscript has nothing to do with the bucks, to saying that Punk going offscript was 'totally unprofessional' 😂😂😂
These self proclaimed journalists and their mark fans have always been whats wrong with wrestling.
Journalist are what's wrong with the world, actually.
Uncle Dave is pretty much the EVP’s advocate
Everything Dave is saying, is what he should be saying to the elite and jungle boy lmao.
Dave must be hired by them. He literally becomes a human shield for them
U don't bite the hand that feeds u he in Tony's and bucks pockets always has been he a joke
“The whole thing started with Punk calling out Adam Page.”
Now, I’m no wrestling savant, Uncle Dave, but I’m pretty sure Page knocked Punk in that promo first.
The fact that thousands of marks take Meltzer seriously is an embarrassment to the wrestling community.
That’s something that should have been settled offscreen. Punk going into business for himself months later isn’t professional.
@@joelkirkwood8224 it wasn’t ever addressed and meltzer was printing the BS still. That’s why “months” later he addressed it
@@joelkirkwood8224 and it wasn’t professional for Page to do it to Punk.
@@joelkirkwood8224
Page goes into business for himself = Completely fine.
Punk goes into business for himself = Unprofessional. Yeah, that makes complete sense.
Why is it so hard for you AEW fanboys to take your blinders off and just admit that Adam Page started this whole shit?
@@forbsey276 It's because AEW Marks are stuck on the internet. On the internet you can disrespect and get disrespected with no repercussions. They think real life follows those same rules.
Dave is projecting what the Elite and Jericho have done onto Punk, its so transparent. The only people who don't see it are the people who are choosing not to see it.
True. Reminds me of a certain cultlike figure that was arrested lately. Sad.
@@greglr19751 Thats how culture works now... its a strict binary... if you aren't on "the right side of history" then you are evil and "stuck in the past," and everybody has to condemn you or else its guilt by association and they also become evil by default.
@ENT Broadcast Corporation its easier than typing out all their names.
Ita the elite fanboys and the observer cult
@@greglr19751 Oh that syndrome shaking you hard ain't it boy 😂😂😂😂
Listening to Alvarez try to minimize the role Hangman played in this whole deal is astounding.
He completely downplayed it when he went on that goofy rant
Hangman started ALL of this.
He made it seem as if it was not important yet Punk reacting was unprofessional. I cant believe what I'm hearing
@@robertoalvarezesq.8959 believe it. Dave and Bryan have been in the tank for the Bucks and Omega for years.
@@cbpointblank Dave and Bryan did
There’s a reason why Vince McMahon never wanted Meltzers name mentioned on WWE television. He knows Meltzer has always been a mark. And if you watch the old Donahue show in which both Vince and Meltzer were on the show, Vince always looked annoyed when Meltzer spoke.
Vince a mark himself honestly...
@@Christopher-nl2kb Vince has drawn more money from marks than anybody ever
@@Christopher-nl2kb No little fanboy goof. He really isn't, that's just you
@@hermonymusofsparta Who cares? Will you WWE marks off Vince's d!#$ for once?
@@anonymousbo0318: no.....I'm pretty sure he's a mark.....and now I'm convinced your nothing more than a tampon......bafoon😅
Meltzer is literally arguing that optics about being professional are more important than actually being professional. People should really let that sink in for a second.
If these PPV pressers were truly legitimate, Dave and Bryan would no longer be invited. They’re not journalists, they’re just guys with a podcast, who have not only run a smear campaign against the company’s top star, but they have damaged the entire promotion as a whole. If Tony had any stones, he’d blacklist them.
It's a privately owned company so you can allow or not allow whoever you want. Dave sucks the teat of AEW and is only still relevant because of his bias for AEW/Bucks. Tony wants this stuff to be talked about in all reality. When Punk comes back that will the biggest moment in AEW history.
well at least Bryan admitted he doesn't consider himself a journalist and screaming on top of his lungs that he never claimed to be one on his podcasts over and over to death
No balls.. just 8 balls
Bro, let's not. Just put this on them too. All of the wrestling podcast like wrestling ink. Sean Ross Snapp and others.
Why would you blacklist your propaganda machine?!? Seriously
The bucks were against Punk from the beginning, I remember seeing being the elite when Punk debuted and they were rolling their eyes and being smart asses about it.
wow. They were jealous to begin with. sad
They got mad because he called them out for tweeting him about working for AEW instead of making a professional offer as EVPs. He basically told a couple of kids to grow up and they went childish tantrum instead.
I think they was joking then but man it look bad looking back
You fool. You actually watched any of their videos?
I remember that, it’s no wonder why they acted that way.
Brian Alvarez in particular has been an absolute joke during this entire situation. He's even in the middle of it since the presser after all out. He took Punks words personally and has handled it like a coward ever since.
I'm so glad to see Alvarez and Meltzer's business fully exposed.
I got a good chuckle from his "that's what I should have said" rant on his podcast after Punk called him out.
Like a silly teenager feeling salty in his bedroom after losing another argument with his parents!
It'd be great for Punk to slap the taste out of Alvarez's mouth, ha ha
@@badladyamiI'm not so sure. There's a lot of ppl that think Dave and Bryan are angels in this sophomoric mess
@@3DBrawlChannel Yes! I lost all fucking respect for the guy after he ranted like that on his show but was quiet as a church mouse at the scrum
The fact that CM Punk is scheduled to come back in June, but the issues between him Jericho, The Elite, Moxley, and Hangman still hasn’t been resolved is a lack of leadership on Tony Khan’s part. The issues between Britt Baker and Thunder Rosa clearly still haven’t been resolved.
Why do you think Tony gave punk his own show ?
and they still interfered with preventing Ace Steel from showing up on the show and sabotaging his transport to the show as well@@brandonmaddox4862
I never liked Andrade but him telling tony he wont punch sammy then doing it and wanting to get fired was my favorite part of his career. Then I laughed when he asked to be fired for it and tony said he knows andrade wants to be fired so he'll punish him by doing the opposite and keeping him under contract 😂🤣
Cuz when you beat up Sammy,
your A E W contract becomes 4 lyfe.
Notice how both Eddie Kingston and Andrade had problems with Sammy. Now they're both off of TV while Sammy is still featured. Jericho calling Punk a locker room cancer is hilarious when one of Jerichos disciples is a real cancer.
Best angle AEW has done in a while
Lol I asked my hr department to lay me off 2 weeks ago, two days later they lay off 12 other people and keep me.... 😂
@@WeBarelySober JeriHogan, but with out the actual: clout, drawing ability, or status.
Hence the reason why he wants to suck the clout, status, and drawing ability, out of every other guy coming up, or every other established guy in the company.
The fact that people pay to listen to have meltzer is amazing
I think you mean "to have to listen to" 😅 Yeah it must be good to live in that fantasy land mindset
You can say the same about Jim Cornette He's part of the problem. Too funny ironically
@@flyguy7825 None of us pay to listen to this?
@@syko2695 But you don listen and you don't have to pay to listen to Dave Meltzer lol
@@flyguy7825 So the purpose of your comment is what? Meltzer does have paid services to listen to and use
The real irony here is Cutler tweeting about "gaslighting" when nobody ever addressed the context of Punk's rant at the press conference
Exactly. Punk literally lost his shit because the elites and Page were lying about him to the dirtsheets to turn people against him and watching so many people side with liars and rumor spreaders over the guy who stood up to them while Tony did fuck all but sit there like a doofus is absurd to me.
Bingo
What did he tweet
Who the fuck is Cutler? Is he that guy in the crappy tracksuit and the gimp mask, who pops up on the side of the ring & puts the audience to sleep?
It’s been hilarious to hear him accused of gaslighting when all Dax has even said is that Punk misses wrestling, he wants to return because he’s passionate about wrestling and that Punk is willing to work things out and work with them. That’s it he’s never said one thing about the Elite not being willing to work with them or preventing Punks return. The people accusing him of gaslighting the company have all just inferred them saying that but the reality is people are believeing their unwillingness to work with Punk because the Elite have been silent about it and not expressed anything about wanting or actively working on working things out. If the Elite felt they were being thrown under the bus they could easily publicly state they’ll do business or they could explain why they won’t. But they won’t say anything and then get upset that people are inferring their mindsets which is entirely a result from them choosing to stay silent and expressing no indication of being willing to be professional.
"CM Punk needs to apologize for winning a fight he didn't start." -Dave Meltzer
What about the fight Punk started in WWE with the pipe bomb?
The fight his boss let him take? The fight that culminated with him bating Cena and running with the belt? Punk and Vince didnt like each other, but certanly made a lot of money toghether. Something the elite are to dumb to notice, TK killed his golden goose. But Punk probably was think about WWE since the time he did the special on Fox.
@@dhenderson1810this is why they have a wrestling term for basically dumbasses or fucking clowns..the word for it is ‘mark’
you…dhenderson are a mark.
@@dhenderson1810 the pipe bomb was a work, lmao
@@dhenderson1810that was an angle, everyone admits that.
Pink did a fair few things in WWE that didn't do him credit but the Pipe bomb was approved and scripted.
Bryan & Dave are honestly pathetic and unprofessional in their own right, but here we are. Thank you Brian and Jim for your faithful coverage of Markville, USA
Meltzer is unprofessional but Cornette, the racist, sexist, xenophobic, name-calling, death threat-issuing antagonist isn't? Lol.
Why ? Because they're telling facts ?Maybe stop getting manipulated by your gourou mr cornette
@@Kr4ShSkeL nice troll mate, feelings and allegations and opinions are not facts
@@Kr4ShSkeL Did the definition of "facts" change in the last few years? 🤔
@@arthurdaffos1490 Allegations ? Oh yeah it's not like Punk litteraly started all of this because of allegations, dude made up some bs in his mind 😂😂😂😂
Those are facts if you can't see it you are a dummy but I can't expect a Jim Cornette dickrider to be smart, I bet you still believe they kicked the door down 😂😂😂😂😂
Imagining AEW without The Elite is exactly like that Simpsons joke where they imagine a world without lawyers.
Does that mean Uncle Dave is Lionel Hutz? haha
@@johnnygrind77 Meltzer is Moe desperately trying to get customers by clinging onto whatever's going on in town that day
@@syko2695 More like smithers licking the boots of mr burns
Lol, naw Lionel Hutz was a hilarious shyster. And all around con man.
Dave is just a pathetic butt licker.
It would be one of the most horrible worlds ever.
The Elite, along with honorary member Chris Jericho, singlehandedly killed my interest in watching any modern wrestling. The sooner they're downplayed the better
u are emotional lmao.
It killed me watching AEW.
@@misters4022 I wish. The Elite annoyed the emotion right out of me
Dude they’re awful
@@3DBrawlChannel bro stop it. lmao
“Of course Punk wants to work with Elite”. There is no way I can take Dave serious anymore. He rides the petite so hard. Punk was already a bigger star than all three of those clowns put together 20 years ago.
Magoo says Punk wants to work with Elite? How does he know that unless he’s got a direct line to Punk himself? Sorry manchild you dont speak for him!
Maybe not 20 years back, but definitely 15 years back. When he was doing the SES stuff
Yeah, that's absolutely stupid. Punk worked with legends of this business (hell, he made me believe the streak could be over) , was a hell of a heel WWE Champion, but wants to work with the guys that were doing dives in PWG in front of 50 guys.
Being the bigger star doesn't mean you aren't a prick.
Hulk Hogan is probably the biggest star in the last forty years, yet he is a prick.
@@dhenderson1810ur still crying over Punk🤡u don’t get multiple world titles by being a prick to everyone 😂
The Bucks, well before the Punk fight, pulled the whole getting the Elite back together thing out to get out of putting FTR over in the rubber match. This has been going on well before the Punk situation.
Remember they decide that instead of dropping the belts to FTR a real tag team they drop the belts to Keith Unlimited Boringness Lee and some other guy nobody cares about other than Top Dollar a tag team that only lasted a couple of months but remember when that happen Dave and Bryan keep their mouths shut the only reason we know this story is because someone else reported the story but Observer never did
@@JoseFlores-xc7wu Absolutely! Melty and Alvie were lucky that the Acclaimed got as hot as they did which clouded everyone’s mind about the Cucks-FTR situation and those two geeks rode that wave. FTR had all the other titles from other companies so they managed to keep themselves relevant with great matches outside AEW but the Cucks who’ve been phoning it in since day one couldn’t and the kiddos think it’s everyone else’s fault but them. Lol, Gtfo! 😂
Funny how you call out some people for refusing to do the job for others and keeping people down, yet when some of your faves do it, you overlook it.
How come no one ever calls out "Stone Cold" Steve Austin not putting over the Rock in any match until their final one, or Austin not fighting Brock, or Austin politicking and getting Jim Ross to hold down Jeff Jarrett in WWE, or refusing a match with Hulk Hogan.
The fact is, they all do it. They all play politics and are out for themselves, even your favourites.
@dhenderson1810 Austin winning over Rock both times was best for business.
He refused to wrestle Brock Lesnar in a TV match with no build rather than a hyped PPV match.
Lesnar vs Austin for the WWE Titile with at least a month's build on PPV? Or a random TV King of the Ring first round match on RAW? Do the math.
Jeff Jarrett was held down due to Jeff strong arming Vince for more money to put China over fro the IC title when he didn't have a contract with WWE anymore and was leaving for WCW.
Your comment proves you know nothing about the history of even modern wrestling. Go away now.
@@GraniteShaker I more think that Austin should have lost to the Rock at IYH D-Generation X PPV (since Rock was just handed the IC the next night anyway).
Lesnar v Austin was planned to have Hulk Hogan return and accidentally cost Austin the match and then Austin would do the same to Hogan, with a plan to do Hogan v Austin at the next year's Wrestlemania (and it has been suggested that this is why Austin refused to go it, because he didn't want a match against Hogan).
Jarrett was held down by Austin because Austin wrestled for Jerry Jarrett early in his career and Jeff, being the owner's son, threw his weight around. So when Jarrett came on "Austin's" turf, he returned the favour, and Jim Ross, who was friends with Austin, badmouthed Jarrett to Vince.
Now make excuses for other wrestlers playing politics, Sycophant.
Dave just keeps bringing us all great content, in probably not the way he wants. Dave and Brian stir the pot and then always attempt to back out of things that they indeed said
Exactly, they were the ones who were feeding the narrative that in all likelihood according to their sources and the people that they talk to that CM Punk probably won't be back when a smart people can read between the lines and understand how simple business works.
Right? I mean yes. It's not they're fault these things happend. But you know who makes a big deal out of all of it? THE PUBLIC and who tells the public? Dave and Bryan. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't know half the things we do. They'd be dealt with behind close doors and in a smooth, more professional manner. People wouldn't be going at these wrestlers online for things they did or didn't do. And on top of that, half the stuff these guys report they hear from the locker room. Normally a biased opinion one way or another. They just need to stop.
@@e-man7143 Meltzer can't be a$$ed fact-checking - he & his little lap dog Alvarez just make shit up to suit their own agenda. They're just wanna-be tabloid reporters - they should just get a job in the M_rdoch media.
What's the deal with punk and FTR
Dave and Alvarez: we have no clue. We just talk to the bucks and Jericho and make shit up from there. We never bother calling the other guys
seeing Meltzer and his pet monkey Alvarez seething over Punk is hilarious. the Cucamunga kids better pay them well.
Pet Monkey Alvarez sounds correct because anytime he needed to go against Dave. He can't defend himself so he waits until he does his figure four daily with Lance Storm and begs Lance to back him up and defend him against Dave.
They pay them in PWG merch they couldn't sell 😭
It's amazing how Cornette's video views on dismantling Meltzer's videos generally blow the views on those original Meltzer videos out of the water.
When the off screen stuff is better than the on screen product, you know things are dire.
I promise you, the best way to follow AEW is to just catch MJF stuff on TH-cam, and let Jim and Brian describe the rest of it to you. I've seen a single full episode of Dynamite (that I went to, live), and have been having as much fun following this way as I did watching Raw in the Attitude Era.
Dave Meltzer cannot hide his EVP bias no matter how much he tries
"Hold on there Alvarez...you trained monkey" LMAO 😂😂
LMAO that was Fantasic
If the shoe fits!?
Did anyone else hear Alvarez's voice going "Hey!" right after that or am I going crazy? Nobody else is talking about this so it's really fuckin weird...
Lmao so true.
@@phoenixmodellingphotography you're not crazy. There was a 'Hey!' right after that burn.
The real reason the elite don't want Punk back is because they are embarrassed that they had a 5 to 2 advantage in a locker-room brawl and they still got their asses kick by two old guys and a dog so having Punk there is gonna be a constant reminder of that incident
And a screaming woman! Can't forget about Ace Steel's wife being there
Why is Punk bringing his dog to work?
Didn't the elite power play punk out of there behind his back. Ftr is their absolute best tag team period. Punk is their biggest draw. Their biggest gates were with punk in the card for their big pay per views
Punk vs Dax Harwood would be a great money match if Dax is buildup. From a storyline point, Punk turning on Dax would ultimately make Dax the biggest face in AEW and Punk the biggest heel. Its the whole "I was the only one to stand up for you while no one else did and you heartlessly stabbed me in the back!" writes itself.
At least Punk and Dax will work with each other.
Only problem is, TK isn't smart enough to do your idea.
Every time rumors of CM Punk coming back come out Dave and Bryan always do something to prevent it from happening
And Jericho I never seen no shit like this before
@@Drfrostybrew Pushing "stories" and rumors about past events to make Punk look like an asshole every time. For the past 6 months every time we got some positive news about a possible Punk comeback the WON schmucks always try to shut it down. Like in February this year. "Punk wants to comeback". Then the next day Dave & Co decide to talk albout the DoN main event, pushing the idea that Punk refused to lose to Hangman etc. The match is nearly a year old now but they only decided to talk about it on that very day. How convenient right ? Same shit with Dax. Dude talks positively about Punk then Meltzer says "he's got backstage heat". Just STFU Dave.
“CM Punk is a Russian informant who kicks puppies” - WON
And punk is as liberal as it gets
@@jabrockobiden9434 “I’ve heard Punk actually makes MAGA hats in his basement with his communist dog Larry” - WON
Lol
He's Putin in it!!!
@@jabrockobiden9434 we all remember his abortion pandering shirt so it would be ironic lol
Is it not a coincidence that each time there is positive progress between Punk and AEW, out trots Uncle Dave putting a spanner in the works and causing mayhem? He caused the whole Punk/Moxley thing and now this. Not to mention all the anti-Punk stuff he put out prior to All-Out. He's legitimately trying to influence AEW by putting out all this shit.
He's presumably being influenced BY people in AEW to put out this sh!t
Meltzer would know all about trying to make someone look bad, wouldn't he?
He's a professional lol he's been making himself look bad for over 25 years
Dave must really want AEW to be held back and never reach the heights it’s capable of.
It was never about reaching heights, it was about Kenny and friends having their own TV show to somehow validate their “greatness”
What heights? All they have is MJF n FTR aew is horrible
We have come to the point where the dirt sheet writers are openly sabotaging plans and storylines. How the hell hasn't the boys rounded these guys up and put the boots to em is beyond me 😑
This ☝️
Because some of the boys need them as their PR firm.
@@zlinedavid Bingo! Without Dave or Omega, would people really care about the Bucks? Like really, how popular were they before latching on to the Bullet Club and Omega?
Cornette does the same thing
@@KaiTakApproach what has he sabotaged? Cause I don’t see him coming out and accusing wrestlers trying to get people fired? However, I do remember Dave and other dirtsheets that are pro AEW… running with “punk wanted cabana out” story as if it was the gospel truth! Now, they are doing this right as talks of punk wanting to return have come out…that is no coincidence. If you truly believe the Elite aren’t feeding this bull yo Dave & crew you are crazy.
Dave & crew wanted punk to get punished for going off script on Adam Page, but didn’t have the same energy for Adam page who went off script first! Tell me how that isn’t sabotage?
I’m pretty sure FTR were saying “dude let’s work together!” The entire year they were the best tag team in every company they were in besides AEW because the Bucks didn’t want to give them a match
Watching the whole AEW drama unfold is like watching two children fighting in public while their mom or dad fails miserably to enforce any form of discipline.
Perfectly stated.
Reminds me of the wet ass way teachers deal with kids bullying/fighting in uk schools.
Yeah this all sounds so petty and for me at least it’s really starting to get old.
💯 per cent, Tony Khan should’ve put a stop to this long before it got to this point.
What does AEW have to do with any of this? This is Dave saying this or that, we have no idea what's going on in AEW so people saying there sick of AEW drama don't know what there talking about!
Dave is absolutely the #1 lolcow of wrestling.
I finally saw him in person at a show here in LA, and he honestly looks like a 50-something year old guy who lives with his mother and wears the sweater she laid out for him.
It's hard to explain, but seeing him in person was one of the more depressing things I've ever seen in wrestling.
Jim is just so right no one forced Hangman to apologize but Punk had to right he was being unprofessional. Stupid people
Punk was unprofessional for airing dirty laundry at the press conference, and to his credit, he did apologize for that (and didn't blame someone else for once).
The Elite is to blame.
The Elite is to blame as well, I meant to say.
Fault on both sides.
@@dhenderson1810ur such a fucking mark u keep trying so hard to blame Punk when everyone knows it was the Elite who started the drama🤡
No one ever mentioning the Bobby Fish thing is super weird. He kicked out at 3.1 for no reason.
And what did it get him? 3.1 people listening to him cut shoot promos in Impact. The point 1 being the dust bunnies in the corner. Good job Bobby!
He did for a reason. His ego was bruised for having to lose to Punk because of Punk's UFC losses... not realizing wrestling is entirely different. It's not like Punk was fresh off those losses. People were happy to see him back wrestling and no one gives a shit about Fish.
@@eiephants punk did decent in his 2nd ufc fight but if fish had a issue he shouldn't even agree to do it since someone like mox could do the same
@@christian6455 decent? Mike Johnson went easy on Punk. So easy that Dana blasted Johnson publicly and he never competed for UFC for nearly 4 years.
Boy howdy how this Meltzer opinion aged bad…😂😂😂😂
In his defense...it was a shit opinion the moment he made it.
Here’s the funny thing, Bryan and Dave NEVER bring up the story about the leaks about CM Punk “holding back” Colt Cabana, Who was never doing anything on TV before Punk got there anyways…
Meltzer and Al gotta have some sturdy kneepads with the constant blowing of the bucks and Omega
Maybe they just have velvet soft carpets
I like the term "ballwashers"
Listening to Alvarez & Meltzer is like listening to a White House press secretary. Narrative delivered under the guise of truth.
Incoherent word salads
Meltzer is wrestling's"my pillow"guy.
@@wulozhero6684 more like the current mopheaded idiot.. at least "my pillow" loves his country.
Actually you are right. Alvarez represents the brown noser part and Meltzer the delusional part of those press conferences.
Lmao damn, Brian is murdering Dave.
😭😂
@PrinceRoy Oh yeah I don't blame him one bit, I would do the same thing.
I don't know why Dave can't be an adult and realize he's part of the problem. I'd have lot more respect for Dave if he just said " The issue is partially my fault, I'm too close to this topic and CM Punk hurt my feelings, so I'm going to stop talking about it because I can't be unbiased."
I find it very interesting that Dave adopted the "Everyone knew wrestling was fake, since the 1890s even."
Right at the time that the flippy flop fans started adopting that as their big talking point as to why everyone but them is wrong about what wrestling "is"
That's the problem, Meltzer isn't an adult. He's a literal manchild.
If Meltzer ever got off his knees and stopped knob-polishing the Young Bucks and Omega maybe he'd be able to think straight. None of them have EVER been a big deal in this side of the world. Kudos to them for what they did in Japan but this ain't Japan, it's a completely different audience and with this audience, they aren't that over, not even Omega got that over during his "belt collector" phase a few years ago.
The fact is, they're executives that refuse to do business and because of it, it's greatly hindered what the product could've been. They're on a power trip and Dave is their cheerleader. Going back to where these issues started, Punk said something but the Bucks were the ones who actually tried to make it physical at work. Pretty sure the Bucks were ALOT more unprofessional than Punk was.
Executives who never had a real sense of E-suite business management. Meltzer harping off about Japanese wrestling… why not make the big leap and migrate there? Oh that’s right they might not accept gaijin immigrants in their 60s who can’t even speak a lick of Nippongo and probably flunk out of language class - N5, the introductory level - because he’s covering a series of shows the week he’s due to start the course.
I'm genuinely more surprised Hangman is not getting any heat of this even he's literally the one who started this whole thing 🤣 what a weasel tbh
💯 and when Bryan Alvarez had his rant the other day he completely disregarded page going off script
Hangman has been portrayed in storyline and real life so so poorly, it's a non sympathetic and a non aggressive character simultaneously. The less of Adam Page the better
That’s what you get from someone who wears butterfly jeans 😂😂
And old Hangnail hasn't gotten over because the guy simply has no charisma.
Hangnail
6 months later. It’s everyone’s fault. And no one is to blame more than TK! Had he been a real boss and not everyone’s friend he would’ve told em “get along or move along!” The only loyalty he should have is to his fan base. Not one singular person or faction is bigger than the company. And the fact that TK is still allowing all these leaks to keep happening and I’m sure he’s sharing them himself is embarrassing. Uncle Dave is a tool and always has been. Uhm well yeah see uhm uhm uhm yeah ah ah uhm.
He made the same mistakes Eric Bischoff did with being friends with Hogan, Hall and Nash.
"Not one singular person or Faction is bigger than the company".
That includes CM Punk.
@@dhenderson1810 so why not learn from Eric? But I don’t think so because Eric never had any infighting like this. Did he have certain people calling shots absolutely brother. But not once and if I’m wrong correct me did her ever have people fighting like this and have to split 2 rosters because people couldn’t get along. And by singular I was talking about Punk 100 percent
@@nowtheworld138 WWE have split rosters and ain't due to infighting.
@@dhenderson1810 exactly!
Punk is the biggest draw AEW ever had and they’re going to need him for Wembly
TK’s said it himself about CM Punk
and wembly gonna sell out for Punk alone ? this isnt chicago. Like EB said if TK needs to rely on Cm punk to draw eyes in his product basically disrespects the entire AEW roster including MJF who is perceived as a " Top Heel "
He’s the only draw except maybe Mark Briscoe for the match after his brother died.
@@ec5018 Hate to say it dude but MJfF ain’t much of a draw and the rest of the roster straight up can’t draw a dime.
@@ec5018 No one said it was going to sell out but they don’t have anyone on the roster with the drawing power of Punk whether u like him or not it’s facts.
Elite are sòoooooo boring same match every time. No real wrestling or story telling
"rEaL wReStiNg... sTorYTeLLiNg..."
you don't know a supplex from a backdrop, bray wyatt loving weewee dimwit
Dave Meltzer is the biggest cheerleader that Kenny and the Buck's have. He will spin every situation and tell any lie necessary to make his beloved Elite look good. They must have fed Dave a lot of information for free to buy this kind of loyalty.
This really makes Dave look bad it's really sad
I'd much rather listen to Brian reading a transcript of this than listen to Dave Meltzer struggling to speak clearly
Just coming back here after the cm punk interview. My oh my ole Davey boy got it sooooooo wrong 😆
I don't know which is worse, listening to Meltzer, Moxley or Russo
Oooof that's a tough one. Russo might sadly be the most eloquent of the trio but like the others he's unbearable. Moxley is easily going to be a candidate of CTE especially if he falls off the wagon and stops staying sober again. Meltzer's word salads and loss of vocabulary is also quite appalling and barely half of his sentences are even understandable.
Tough call. It's a tie between Moxley and Dave as who'd be worse to listening to imo. With those two it'll only regress with time due to Moxley's lifestyle, and Dave may develop dementia sooner than later due to his age.
smelltzer easily
Vinny Ru is the worst actual person but I would rather have a conversation with him than Davey Boy
So, Hangman going off script is fine, but Punk doing the same thing back to him and not being punished for it is what caused most of the problems in AEW? Thanks for clearing that up Dave. 🤣🤣
It's like if your kid gets suspended from school, because he fought back with a bully who kept picking on him and hitting him for weeks. Is beating the shit out of the bully the right move? Not exactly. But can you be mad at your kid for fighting back at an asshole? Not really.
Well, Hangman didn't do it first in WWE, when Punk did the pipe bomb.
Oh, boo hoo, CM Punk got picked on.
Maybe not everyone is as big a mark for Punk as he is for himself and his dickriders.
@@dhenderson1810are they in WWE tho?
@dhenderson1810 You are a fucking mark dude. Posting a load of comments, and you are all over the place with your opinions.
I'm sorry for defending myself and winning a fight you started.-CM Punk
Who started Punk's fights in WWE?
@@dhenderson1810 dunno. Don't care. I am speaking on the headline of this particular video.Seriously,I am not even a CM Punk fan. But the Elite are not it,as entertainers or execs. They should have called it a night that night,and approached the issue better as execs another day.
@@jamaalmoses8821 Punk is the one who made it public.
He should have spoken to the Elite backstage instead of airing dirty laundry, but as Punk proved in both.WWE and AEW, it is all about him and what he wants ahead of what is best for business.
@@jamaalmoses8821 But Punk has form.
The Elite weren't in WWE, yet Punk acted the same way.
The guy is a prick.
@@dhenderson1810 One last time ,let's say Punk was wrong for his words at the Media Scrum.His employer was right there,and chose to not correct him. The Elite are executives in a multi million dollar company. They chose to behave as tough guys,and whatever happened happened. No party in the situation,Punk included were professional that night. The term best for business does not apply to anything in AEW. They are mostly childish and amateurish. So if Punk is so bad and ego centric ,he is right at home in AEW.
The fact is the Elite and Jericho were given the ball for the last 9 months and the ratings went down, the product got worse and the WWE regained their footing. These are facts.
And these marks make fun of WWE RAW after WM as if AEW has surpassed WWE. WWE can do as bad as they want and will STILL be ahead of AEW
@@naseefzarif1576The worst news for AEW was Triple H running WWE shows.
Dave is absolutely compromised at this point. If this was Vince's company and Vince had all his facilities in mind, Vince wouldn't cow-tow to The Elite and all their little cronies, Vince would bring Punk back and tell the The Elite and their little cronies to deal with it. This is just further proof Tony needs someone in there that cares about business and drawing money rather than catering to a bunch of job guys who think they're hot shit cause they appease the internet marks.
lmao but TK is a businessman, which WHY he is bringing punk back and right now FTR are the tag champs. The only other thing is bucks/omega are gonna use all this as leverage to then squeeze TK for more $$$
@@misters4022Tony's dad is a business man, Tony is there because daddy knows his boy cant cut it on his own
He’s long been compromised on the AEW front with Tony blatantly telling him years ago that all his knowledge of the wrestling business and how to manage a promotion came from that dirtsheet. The NJPW situation a few weeks back stoked the fire even more. Some “wrestling journalist”!
Vince let the Kliq walk all over him
Vince Would fire The Evps off their position suspend them without pay and If The Elites and Hangnail returned they would be jobbing for a year and humiliated on Tv . I don't like Vince but he wouldn't let any of this fly let along keep wrestlers that can't make him money.
The more I see this AEW drama, the more I appreciate the way WWE deals with the wrestling medias. WTF are they doing over at AEW !? How could you let people that are not even affiliated to your company have so much influence on your backstage?
I think cos tony likes having a bunch of fake awards that don't mean anything, given to him as if he's the kid with the most gold stars in school.
@@SquirtketchupallovermyhotdogWaiting to see some AEW nuff nuff make a criticism of Vince McMahon, which they always do when their precious AEW is being criticized.
Love how ass-hurt Dave and Al got hahaha
It’s been a month and I still haven’t figured out how Dave thought Punk and FTR were going to run Omega and the Bucks out of the company they’re EVPs of, even if they wanted to. Unless Meltzer just wanted to keep it fresh in everyone’s mind that “Punk causes people to lose their job,” which couldn’t possibly be his motive.
Honestly…I hope they are. Specifically the Hardly Boys. They’re the real locker room cancer. I don’t think Twinkletoes proactively does as much. He’ll react to situations, but I don’t see him as an active manipulator. I don’t think he has the balls for it and I don’t think he has the right manipulative mind to do it.
I got an idea... Let's put them all on WCW Thunder!!!
I don't know, Olivier is on record for that stupid "I wouldn't hire 80% of you" comment
@@3DBrawlChannel I'd say that is evidence that his mind isn't up to the standard required for manipulation... The gap between his intellect and how smart he thinks he is is so big, one of the friendly trained monkeys is going to try and do a dive off it...
“How are you fine fellows? … We are not a tribute act!” - Olivier. Remember that shit speech he gave after the show when he returned? That was trying to make the fans think a certain way about the Elite after the show was over. 😂
I wont say that the bucks are locker room cancer:
what I'll say is that their EVP position has left the boys compromised....you cant really criticized them of you are their employee. This is was cody came to realize.
Do you notice that every time progress seems to be happening and things calm down, someone like Meltzer releases new anti-Punk sentiment? The timing is ALWAYS when Punk's return looks promising. Not a coincidence. Punk was right about leaks and an agenda against him.
When this all kicked off Meltzer stated on his show that AEW could have launched successfully without Jericho and Moxley but could never be successful without the Bucks. That's the level of ass kissery Dave gives to his prized informants.
Yes, and Speaking like he has ran his own promotion.
I know I'm way late to this comment but is that true? Guys like Jericho, Moxley, Cody and even Kenny Omega (whose NJPW stuff I enjoyed) were much bigger stars than the Young Bucks.
Punk driving the elite out of aew would be the best thing to happen to that company since it's inception. It's a complete and overall positive for aew and thr business.
AEW going broke would be the best thing.
If Kenny omega walks up to punk and says 'dude what's up you should put me over ' it will be last thing Kenny does under his own steam for a long time
I love the fact that Punk hasn't said a word about anything and Meltzer and Alvarez are reporting like Punk is tryna destroy AEW lmao.
I'm not the largest Brian Last fan but that Ace Steel line was gold
And he turned out to be right.
Joshua Kessler
I wondered why I kept hearing babies crying the entirety of that day when no one who lives near me has any. I must’ve heard The MasseyGill bunch all the way from Cucamonga.
I love Jim and Brian but I’m backing out after 10 minutes because I cannot handle listening to Dave Meltzer clips for this long.
Meltzer is as much a part of the problem as the Elite and Jericho. He has to make Daddy Khan look good. He'd hate to have his voters, not crown Snowman as the 4-time Booker of the Year. The best part of this is Meltzer's trained monkey, Alvarez is completely losing his shit over this, between Dax's comments, the ratings every week, and the constant trolling by "the Momentum shift" of AEW that has yet to come to pass,
CORNETTE AGAIN ON POINT!
Uncle Dave will never change
At this point he’s Dave Biden with how clueless & useless he is
Until the clown show dies and something else becomes the trend of the times
I love the spin Dave is trying to put on this
Nobody (besides the Elite and Meptzer) has anything bad to say about FTR. They always come across as respectful and humble and straight shooters. Total opposite of the catty Elite
It's funny how Jim doesn't take anything Bryan Alvarez says seriously 😂😂
Cornette doesn't take most people in wrestling seriously, so that means little.
This is a true career low point for Dave
Thanks to Jim, I too now say “too many pronouns pal” and have started using more proper nouns lol
“Can we put you over” 🤣🤣 I stg I’ve been laughing at this for the last week
All Dave did here was proved that Bruce and Bischoff was right about Dave.
More than enough to make Conrad SQUIRM, considering he’s subscribed to that garbage for almost half his life.
If Punk and FTR had actually run the Elite out of AEW, it would've been a gift to us all.
But Dave and alvarez would never stop crying about it lol
Jim is extra hilarious here. The more people he has heat with the funnier he is. Love it ❤
He's a fool.
If I was Punk I would just wipe my hands clean of these clowns. Walk away and don't look back.
sue them first
It's crazy, Meltzer tipped their hand that the Bucks and company were gonna get punk kicked out of the company. We all missed it.. It didn't even take them 4 months
If you want one clip to illustrate how right Jim and Brian were in their reading of this situation, at the time, this is it.
Next week Dave will have issued an apology when this shit blows up on his face. Like clockwork
Every time CM Punk is close to getting back in Dave shoots off his mouth and tries to ruin it for him. Every. Freakin'. Time.
The reason Tony Khan and Dave connect so well is because their love of professional wrestling is centered heavily around process. I've always said that AEW is the first major post-wrestling promotion. A meta promotion. It's always process over product. It's no coincidence that many of the AEW wrestlers come from that same mindset. It's process first, business second.
Because of their mutual love of process, Dave has felt very emboldened to stake his ground. It's his dream come true to connect with someone like Tony. He feels empowered and it's why he has become such a vocal player in this whole drama.
I'm in the minority as far as AEW's future is concerned -- this is a treadmill promotion that has enough energy to drag on for a few decades and ultimately influence a new generation of talent in the wrong way. TNA is AEW's forefather but had better wrestling and star power.
Cody leaving was an indication that AEW was crumbling. They’ll be out of business in 2 years.
CM Punk and FTR running the "elite" out of AEW would be nothing but a positive.
This is all so insane in hindsight IE Meltzer jumping through hoops to babyface the bucks
Dave's buddy sounds like a GTA voice actor. 🤣
Meltzer and Alvarez are the greatest gaslighters of all time.
Bryan Alvarez is the worst one out of this. He was one of the main investigators of the gossip and once he got caught, he wants to go into hiding and say he had nothing to do with anything. I almost feel bad for Dave because his partner is trying to bail out on him. Sheesh, with friends like these 🙄😂
What a squirelly wusshat Alvarez is. No wonder the books he’s written are better off as kindling. Go back to your Backyard wrestling promotion where you belong!
That Deadspin article about punk “gaslighting” his way back is hilarious. Punk has said nothing since the scrum but these idiots keep acting like Punk is saying all of these things. What a joke.
Someone once told Triple H "I don't have to work with you, you have work with me". Seems like the Elite should listen to those words. CM Punk said that to one of the top executives (at the time) , in the one of the world's biggest companies, going into their biggest event. I highly doubt Punk will be chasing after Kenny and the Bucks to work with them.
Triple H has achieved more in his career than Punk has.
Wasn't Punk a smart ass to the Undertaker as well.
He has no respect for anyone.
@@dhenderson1810here y are again crying like a bitch
I don't agree with Cornette on a lot of things but him and Brian have been pretty much on point about the AEW drama
Jesus christ. I remember the instant reaction to that Punk press conference was that there was a ton of money to be made. Then the news of the brawl broke out, and if true, it sounds like the Elite have lost all perspective. The main goal is to draw money in big matches. The Punk press conference, real or worked, would have drawn massive numbers if they can just get over their egos.
yup i actually remember those two clowns saying "well if cooler heads can prevail they could all make money amd out this behind them" now they are claiming punk/ftr are trying to get rid of the bucks smfh
It isn't a good idea to have people with legit heat fight each other in a match, as trust is required to know that your opponent will keep you safe in the ring.
The Elite might have tried to injure Punk in a match for re if it was in the ring.