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- Daniel C. Peterson is a professor of Islamic Studies and Arabic in the Department of Asian and Near Eastern Languages at Brigham Young University and currently serves as editor-in-chief of BYU's Middle Eastern Texts Initiative. He is a member of the executive council of the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship at Brigham Young University.
Peterson is known for his work as an apologist and scholar on subjects dealing with claims of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon), of which he is a member. He has served as the editor of the FARMS Review, a periodical produced by the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies. Peterson is a regular participant in online fora about Mormonism where he discusses the LDS faith and its apologetics. One of his most recent projects has been the development of a website featuring the testimonies of LDS scholars.
In this episode, Dr. Peterson discusses: Upbringing; Mission to Switzerland; Marriage and Family; College in the U.S. and Middle East; Becoming an Islamist; Beginnings of Apologetics Career.
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I am not a Mormon, nor actively religious in any sense of the word. But, I thoroughly enjoyed these conversations with Dr. Peterson. A brilliant, thoughtful, compassionate, inquisitive mind is a brilliant, thoughtful, compassionate, inquisitive mind . . . no matter where or from whom it emanates. What I hate are labels infused with pejorative intent . . . i.e. "oh, well he's a MORMON (or Muslim, or Catholic, or whatever) so he can't be very smart. " Listen to this dude for more than a minute and he SHOULD change your mind. If not, then your mind is closed and locked up.
I absolutely agree. I love this man 💙
An eloquent fraud can still be eloquent.
@@sdfotodude And a well phrased unsubstantiated claim in the youtube comments can still be well phrased.
I love the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. And I love brother Peterson. I hope to meet him one day :)
Watched several of Dr. Peterson's lectures on You-tube; glad for the reminder of the depth and breadth of the polyglots who can whisk from one civilization and subject to another which has always interested me! The first lecture of his I watched nearly drove me to call him a fraud; at the end of his lecture on the Book of Abraham, he said something to the effect that he believed the Book of Mormon peoples landed on what is now Florida, founding the Hopewell culture! That wound me up for a couple of hours! Glad now I have seen several others of Dr. Peterson's lectures and interviews.. Laughed out loud about his interviews about being a terrorist as a result of his "Interviews" for Advanced studies at BYU!!
Dr. Peterson is an amazing scholar! I love hearing him speak.
Mormons THIS is a future 'God' of a planet. Surely just looking at him, let alone listening to him, should convince you to buy a ticket in another direction.
Everything this man says is completely nonsense, He needs to speak to Dr John Dehlin and others such as Shawn McCraney, heart of the matter, he won't stand a chance with debating the BofM's lies. and its author
Good interview. Thank you for your time and any trouble to put this together, Good questions. Interesting getting to know Dr. Peterson.
LDS apologists admit Joseph married other men's wives. In an article, published on LDS FAIR (The Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research) web site, apologist Samuel Katich confirms the Church's acceptance that Joseph Smith did marry a number of women who were already legally married to other men. What possible justification can there be for marrying other men's wives? Most of them were even good LDS men. Some of the men were on missions for the church - next
If you were being honest about what's on FAIR, then you should have included their explanation that Smith's marriages to other men's wives were not simultaneously active or not for sexual purposes. Back then, the church sometimes did after death celestial marriages vs mortality only marriages. In other words, if a woman was temporally married to a non LDS, she could be sealed with an eternal marriage to an LDS man, which wouldn't take effect until death, when her marriage to the first man would be dissolved. This was the case for atleast several women you are referring to, and there are similarly good explanations for wives who already had LDS husbands. Here's a link for more information:
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Imagine if you had spent 50 years living with your devoted spouse, fully intending to be married together in heaven for all eternity, just like you have enjoyed on earth for the last 50 years and then the prophet says he wants your wife to be his 33rd wife. So in the next life you don't get your devoted wife of 50 years, instead you have to find another. Are we to believe that God actually commanded the prophet to do this? That is even more cruel than having someone else have sex with your wife.
Notice that in the John 10:34 passage Jesus did not affirm the LDS worldview in which we can become gods of our own planets someday as God became a God of this planet and many other worlds. The text refers to individuals being "gods" here on earth...... Also, if Jesus were referring to "gods" in some pre-exalted LDS sense (e.g."gods in embryo"), then it needs to be recognized that these gods are not gods in the same sense that God is God. God is God by His nature, and thus (next)
I was able to download a PDF version of "Added Upon" by Nephi Anderson. Will have to read it. Thank you, Google and Bro. Peterson.
What an intellect! I'm so glad that God also speaks to the more simple kind, a PHD is not necessary to receive knowledge from heaven.
These regular people did not include Mormon leaders... But they made it a doctrine.. So that they would have more pleasure.. Joseph smith stated it clearly..
It's really sad how low the views are for this video compared to the videos featuring ex-mormons...
The infernal realm can manipulate lower human faculties such the emotions, feelings and the imagination while the higher faculties such as the intellect and the will are the sovereign realm of the individual. All external temptations enter through the lower human faculties and never through the higher human faculties. Yet, Mormonism rather than appealing to the higher human faculties, attempts to have the veracity of their claims evidenced by emotional reaction to the Book of Mormon (burning in the bosom and bearing a testimony etc.). Mormonism counts on an individual’s emotional response to validate the Mormon faith rather than reason and evidence. The basis of faith is reason and evidence, if these are not present all one does is mistake faith for superstition. Just because someone makes a claim does not mean that claim is true. Those credulous individuals who are willing to believe any claim made by someone are open to the mechanizations of every charlatan and confidence man.
• Why does Mormonism choose to proselytize their faith by appealing to the lower faculties which are open to demonic manipulation rather than to the intellect?
So this man (Daniel C. Peterson) Writes about Prophet Mohammed, I wonder why? Oh wait, Joseph and Mohammed did the same thing, they both said they saw an angel, they both practiced polygamy, they both took other men's wives, they both married under age kids, they both said it was God who told them to do it, Mohammed took a 2nd wife, 6 years old, and consummated the marriage at the age of 9, took his adopted son's wives. Joseph took 11 other men's wives, It really makes me think about this man
So if even Farms admits of Joe's sex involvement with these married women and other women, what can one conclude BUT falseness of the church.
Titus 1:5-6. The reason I left you in Crete was to set right what was left undone and, as I directed you, to appoint elders in every town: 6 An elder must be blameless, THE HUSBAND OF 1 WIFE, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.
And this is just the tip of the Iceberg regarding false teachers (Joe S)
1) "Yahweh, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other." Deuteronomy 4:39
WHERE ARE THE MORmON gODS?
(2) "Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me." Isaiah 43:10
WHEN WAS WERE THE MORmON gODS FORMED?
(3) "'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me." Isaiah 44:6
"I am Yahweh, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God." Isaiah 45:5
DOES MY GOD NOT KNOW THE MORmON gODS?
+dee hee I have no interest in an online argument. But you may find it interesting that the majority of scholars examining ancient Israelite religion are persuaded that it was, at least initially, polytheistic. These scholars include Jews and non-LDS Christians.
Specifically, you may be interested in the work of Michael Heiser, a non-LDS Christian who argues that the Old Testament, along with other extra-Biblical texts, demonstrates a Jewish belief in a council of gods. Heiser argues that the divine council submits to Yahweh's authority and uniquness; nevertheless it is a council of multiple divine beings, many of whom, according to Heiser, are given stewardship and dominion over groups of people.
+Jasper Wilkinson ...HORSESHIT! THE REASON THEY WERE CHOSEN IS THEY SOUGHT THE ONE TRUE GOD YOU FOOL!
+dee hee Your response was very, er, charitable of you. Thank you for your kind example of thoughtful and respectful discourse.
At any rate, your disagreement is not with me; it's with those
Jewish and Christian Evangelical scholars, like Michael Heiser. You can ignore their work, if you like, but you cannot impugn the merits of their scholarship by swearing and shouting. Best of luck.
+Jasper Wilkinson ...YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHY THE JEWISH WERE THE CHOSEN?
+dee hee Your caps lock feature seems to be stuck.
Heiser recently published a book on this topic, "The Unseen Realm," which you can purchase from Amazon. You can also read some of his work on his site: thedivinecouncil .com.
FARMS also admits Joseph likely had sex with his pural wives
FARMS reviewer Gregory L. Smith admits, 71 pages into his 86-page review of George D. Smith's new book, Nauvoo Polygamy: "…but we called it celestial marriage" ("George D. Smith's Nauvoo Polygamy," FARMS Review 20:2, 2008), that Joseph Smith had "conjugal relations" with at least eight women in addition to his first wife, Emma.
Even so, "there is good evidence of a conjugal relationship with Almira Johnson,
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Some people seek and follow the truth, regardless the sacrifice, regardless the cost, and usually despite the blows to their own egos and cherished beliefs such truth-seeking almost invariably inflicts. Unfortunately, such people are exceptionally rare... hence Jesus' profound teaching: "...strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." (Matthew; ch. 7, v.14) . Instead, most are like this guy who has made it his professional life to sacrifice any sincere, objective search for the truth so as to build up his own ego and reputation at the sacrifice and cost of the truth.
This is perhaps most tellingly evidenced in David's recounting of how he gained the reputation of being the guy the missionaries would sic on anyone with whom they got into scriptural or doctrinal "battles"... and then recounts (beginning at 21:24) how he bluffed a Greek-fluent Bible school teacher preparing to debunk Mormon claims by falsely claiming himself to be a greater Greek expert...intimidating his opponent into silence and thus "winning" the exchange (?). As David then admits, had his opponent not been intimidated and the debate proceeded, he likely would have gotten "killed" by the Bible school teacher... and proven wrong. And obviously, that's something David could NOT permit to happen.
Thus we learn that for David, it has always been more important to defend the Church at all costs... even under bluff and false pretenses... than it was to seriously consider contrary evidences to objectively, sincerely and honestly determine what the truth is. For him, it's all about winning the argument, regardless the tactics used or disingenuousness employed, and not at all about seeking to discover what's right and true.
And, boy, if that isn't the entire Mormon Apologist mindset right there in a nutshell. Reminds me of the lesson learned by Keanu Reeves' character in "The Devil's Advocate" who CANNOT lose a case... even at the cost of not only truth and justice, but even his own soul. BOY, isn't that the truth here!
Like mob lawyers, David and all others of his ilk will twist every angle, rationalize away every fact and attempt obfuscating every well-evidenced point... anything to win the "case" and get their scumbag bosses (i.e., the Church and its leaders) "acquitted" at any and all cost. And just as such sleazebag lawyers KNOW their slimeball Mafia clients are guilty as sin... so also does David and other apologists like him KNOW the Church is a fraud and a scam, and has been lying through its teeth about its origins and history since Day One. But they don't care. To them, it's all a game... a big ego trip... and the truth is whatever they can get their ignorant gullible true-believers to accept from them.
And specific to David... can you believe this guy? I've rarely found anyone who loves to brag and brag on and on about himself more than David does. He just never stops. He endlessly flaunts all his claimed knowledge, his BYU "doctorates" (pretty much the equivalent of a Bachelors at any REAL university), his reputation and popularity (within the insulated Mormon community of Salt Lake, of course), and his Church-sponsored travels and speaking engagements... and on and on and on. Yes indeed, he's a legend in his own mind... and that of the gullible sycophantic Mormon community. While for Church leaders (just as mob lawyers are for their Mafia bosses), he has and continues to be a most "useful idiot," indeed.
One final observation: How deluded must one be to actually praise blood-soaked Islam and glorify its murderous pedophile founder, Muhammad, as a "Prophet of God"?! Of course, once you have fully studied -- as David no doubt also has -- the life of Mormonism's founder, Joseph Smith... to include all his own Muhammad-esque atrocities, adulteries, murders and pedophilic assaults... you suddenly get it: They're both equally misogynist, narcissistic, sociopathic and fraudulent! No wonder David thinks them both "prophets."
I have a relationship with my Father through Jesus...You said he didn't attacj the bible, he just fixed the wrong translation.. Let's see about that.. Joseph translated some of the passages incorrectly.. Here they are: KJV - Genesis 8:20-21. 20 And Noah builded an altar unto the LORD; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again (next)
If You as a Mormon still insist that Jesus was referring to us being gods in the same sense that God is God, then you must be prepared to say that God in His nature was, at least possibly, SINFUL JUST LIKE YOU. Look at the type of "gods" that Jesus was referring to here. Jesus was quoting from Psalm 82, and the context clearly shows that these individuals were sinful earthly gods. They were judges who were called "gods" because they were supposed to be acting like (NEXT)
No dates were specified - interviewer issue...
Wrongly translated bible?... Please, can you bring me an example, because I only see talking but I don't see you bringing evidence to back up your claims..
I feel the same about John Dehlin. While I love hearing the stories, I feel like he has some weird agenda instead of letting these people tell their stories.
His agenda is to lead as many people away from the church of Christ and possibly to himself as possible
@@curtclapier435 that could be said of basically EVERY person like John Dehlin including Bill Reel, RFM, EXEMO LEX, Nemo, Lewis Black, Mark Twain, NuanceHoe and many others. But I don’t see them mentioned?
I think too many use the word “agenda” to describe something they don’t agree with. In that sense everyone has one. Whether or not it’s a good thing is purely in the eyes of the beholder. I see two agendas here. Pick one you like, that’s fine. Just don’t NOT call it an agenda.
HOW COULD A SMART PERSON WITH A PHD BELIEVE IN A CON MAN LIKE JOE SMITH
Perhaps because he knows something the critics refuse to learn.
When you try to tell him on his blog, he bans you. A sure sign of an ignoramus who blindly follows the blasphemous cult.
+old cowboy ... because the power of deceit in believing hokey stories keep Petersen in la-la land.
+Systematic Beanpole yep!!!! I just answered him in a comments section of an article and he went nuts. Told me if I continued coming after him 'with guns blazing' or something like that, he'd delete me. And delete he did. A phony incapable of debate.
to Noah himself. What makes this change so damning is that throughout Scripture, both Old Testament and New, only God is said to be the One who smells the aroma of a sacrifice. This is the case approximately 45 times in the Old Testament (such as Exodus 29:18, Leviticus 1:9, Numbers 15:3, and Ezekiel 16:19), and 3 times in the New Testament (2 Cor. 2:15, Eph. 5:2, and Phil. 4:18). The Hebrew word "sweet-smelling" is nichowach and refers to a soothing or tranquilizing property on the part of the
mormons must not believe that their body is the temple of God because both of these men have zero neck
In shock and awe at his mind? Please. This man will not even argue or debate with those of us who comment on his articles. He does the, "Oh you are belligerent" stuff, says "You are wrong" without saying why, refuses to answer questions and then, like a very nasty dad, just starts warning you that he will delete your comments. He is either afraid of debate, unused to it, or incapable of it.
In shock and awe? Maybe. But not of his mind.
Barbara - Absolutely correct in your analysis of this ignoramus. He cannot countenance any views that contradict the mind control in Mormonism.
+BarbaraJoanne .... Petersen's not so open minded when it comes down to the truth.
curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done. Joseph Smith Translation-Genesis 9:4-6. And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord, and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar; and gave thanks unto the Lord, and rejoiced in his heart. 5 And the Lord spake unto Noah, and he blessed him. And Noah smelled (next)
When we try to imagine what God is like we must of necessity use that-which-is-not-God as the raw material for our minds to work on; hence whatever we visualize God to be, He is not, for we have constructed our image out of that which He has made and what He has made is not God. If we insist upon trying to imagine Him, we end with an idol, made not with hands but with thoughts; and an idol of the mind is as offensive to God as an idol of the hand. (next)
Great podcast. Just don’t understand apologists way of thinking
a god, we still have our nature intact. We are humans who have the capacities to reach various stages of development. This tells us that if we have to attain some stage of development, then that stage is not our nature (LDS misuse the term "nature" when speaking of the "divine nature" to mean a stage of development, an office, or a function). Since God has always been perfectly God, that is His nature and there is nothing for Him to develop into. (next)
When one is stuck in their prospective they sadly can become a slave to their own ignorance.
Dan is such a manipulator
of antiquity. The Bible is archeologically, historically, prophetically, and scientifically accurate. Why the attack on the bible by Joseph?... Didn't he believe what Jesus said?.. Jesus said, it is written.. So if Jesus trusted what was written then why didn't Joseph? or You?.. You know why? Because you have been train and brain washed to believe otherwise.. I feel so sorry for you when you stand before his throne. You think if Jesus (God in the flesh) would have known if his words
God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. (Numbers 23:19)
For I am the Lord, I change not. (Malachi 3:6)
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You look like smart man, and I'm think you would understand the teachings of the heavenly father you speak about and the heavenly father of the bible.. And finally what? You've only showed arrogance in your response and not a smart one. You may look smart,
aroma he point, then, of the "sweet-smelling" aroma of sacrifices is that they soothe God when He's justifiably angry with sin, and they soothe God because they are a symbol of repentance and desire for forgiveness. Thus, it would simply be nonsensical for Noah to be depicted as the one who smelled his own sacrifice, and such a change not only defies logic but also the Hebrew language and the rest of the divinely-inspired Jewish authors of Scripture..... (next)
essential being is to rob God of most of His attributes and reduce Him to the status of a creature. It is, for instance, to rob Him of His infinitude: there cannot be two unlimited substances in the universe. It is to take away His sovereignty: there cannot be two absolutely free beings in the universe, for sooner or later two completely free wills must collide. These attributes, to mention no more, require that there be but one to whom they belong.
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Indeed, very well stated... :)
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He never has to grow into becoming a God ( Psalm 90:2, Hosea 11:9, and Galatians 4:8). We on the other hand are humans by nature. That is our sort or kind; it is our species. It is the most basic thing we can say about us, and without our nature we cannot even exist... One other interesting thing about a nature, no matter how we change, we still remain what we are, viz., human. So whether we are a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, an infant, a child, a teenager, an adult, or even if possible...(next)
Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. (Isaiah 44:8).. I will not give my glory unto another. Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last. (Isaiah. 48:11-12)
The Bible also declares that God is the creator of man, not his literal father.
I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone, that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. ( Isa. 44:24)
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a sweet savor, and he said in his heart; 6 I will call on the name of the Lord, that he will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake, for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; and that he will not again smite any more every thing living, as he hath done, while the earth remaineth;. Now pay attention.............Notice the most striking change, in which Smith changed the One who smelled the odor arising from Noah's sacrifice from the LORD, as the KJV tells us, (next)
Tapir Dan.
Mohamed was similar to Christians as many Catholics were in History.
Could you please at least write (God) with a Capital G.... That way I know you are talking about God of the heaven and not Satan.. And I see you don't read... I told you I'm a lady.. I am not a prophet. What God had to say already said it all through his prophets, then thought Son Jesus Hebrews 1:1.. Read it..
Jesus guides the church (me).. Born-again believers in Christ are the "body of Christ" or the church (Col. 1:18, 24; I Cor. 12:27; Eph. 1:22-23)....You say you Mormons are Christians... Then you are to be test as true apostles and as true prophets.. Matt. 7:15). Again He said, "Many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many" (Matt. 24:11)... I mind this business, We are to expose false teachers, prophets and apostles.. AND YOU HAVE FAILED..
Jabba the hutt
First of all, when you say god, you are referring to Satan, so how in the world am I suppose to take the word of a man who believes in Satan as his god.. You don't even know how to write the rightful name of the God of heaven.. (G with capital G dude) (YHVH) 2nd, when you debate you should bring bible verses to back up your claim, you can use your King James Mormon bible.. And I don't have opinions, I have facts..
Daniel C. Peterson has proved to me that he is unable to access the truth. There is nothing 'divine' about a cult that blasphemes the Almighty by saying that He was once a man. Mormonism is blasphemy. Come out of Babylon all you who will hear.
Barbecue Spare Ribs. Fight the real evil.
There is ZERO CHANCE that his bs story at 21:25 ever happened. Only cult members could listen to this guy and not think he's a conman.
Dan Peterson should stick to Islamic Studies.
He clearly knows nothing about the true Creator.
He should go back to Sunday school not primary....
Jesus Christ is the Creator and Owner of worlds without end, all of them, all in all. Without beginning and without end for it pleased the Father that in Him should all the fullness dwell. Jesus Christ is not organized intelligence but God, without beginning of days or end of years, outside of time. Colossians 1:16-18 (NKJV): 16 "For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. 18 And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.", that's Him, Yeshua Hamashiach! Not just some piece of spiritual dna organized from intelligence. What an insult that would be to the Eternal Glory of the name of Jesus. Only Lucifer would have you believe Jesus is just organized intelligencia, a lie from the pit of Hell spawned by Satan himself. Praise be to Yeshua, Yahweh and the Holy Spirit!
Very charming. And not in a good way.
Verse (2:79) - English Translation
Sahih International: So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.
Hahaha oh wow
"I feel the same about John Dehlin"
EVERY time I see Dehlin speaking lately he is asking for money. He should try and do what the REST of us do, WORK for a living.
Pretty sure he is a licensed and practicing Clinical and Counseling Psychologist.
Lady here, you mean the heavenly father who Himself was once as we are now?, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens? According to the great secret." (p. 40) Here, then, is eternal life-to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God," (p. 221) in the teachings of Joseph smith?... But you see my friend, the word of God consistently affirms that there is only one God, who has always existed as God.
Oh wow, ...gluttony much?
Oh wow. Rude much
David Speth
Gluttony is a sin. Fatty fatty bum bum.
Anastasia Beaverhousen God hates your rude behavior as well.
David Speth
What do you want?
Anastasia Beaverhousen Uh. Just saying that there was no reason to call him names.