Left hand turn, P3 to P3 secures lane dominance. P1 to P1 invites cars to pull up beside you in the lane as you are lining up to turn and once you have turned you are less visible in P1 than in P3. Right hand turn, P1 to P1 again secures lane dominance. Start in P3 invites cars to pull up beside you. Start in P3 exposes you to more road hazards (closer to the curb). Start in P3 means you are travelling closer to parked cars and risking getting doored. P3 to P3 means you have the tightest possible radius - harder to turn sharp, especially with the potential for road crap and finally, P3 to P3 means you are too close to the curb, less visible and thus inviting cars into your lane! Fortunately, when I was a motorcycle instructor, lane position wasn't dictated by the Province trying to endanger people!
I was thinking this as well...I do P1 to P1 for right hand turn and P3 to P3 for left hand. No way am I going to leave most of my lane open to cars on the right when I'm turning left and vice versa.
You should do a road trip to Albertastan and do a video there (after you brush up on any Alberta specific rules) as there are few good quality examples like your excellent ones.
Very nice amd informative video.. but one thing I don't understand is the purpose of the deep right shoulder check when in P3 and there's nothing but the curb beside you. Is it just for looks, or is there something I'm missing?
I’m so confused here OK so I’m driving on the road on my bike what tire track position should I be in P1 or P2 or P3? I’m in Ontario and I would like to know so I could pass my test once and for all.
I really like your tutorials. I have a question about left turn lane positioning. Right or wrong I would think that starting the turn in P3 and ending in P1 would be better. I've sat at a set of lights in P1 and had vehicles turn left from beside me to across my path because there's a little room there. Plus finishing the turn in P1 avoids right turning vehicles that are coming the other way. Thoughts?
Geoff, great observation and I love how you are thinking about and analyzing it! This is what I do too lol. So on that note, I do think you have some valid points for sure. I do present the riding tutorials as per what is outlined in our provincial Riding Manuals/Guides and they do indicate that left turn should be from P1 into P1 (eg ICBC Learn to Ride Smart manual, p. 56) but I certainly see what you are saying. So on that note, my thoughts on this are: If you are in P3, you are right in questioning whether that lessens the opportunity for motorists to infringe into your lane...I am, however, thinking that the suggestion to leave in P1 and enter into P1 may have to do with turning radius/ability/room to correct - for example, if one was to start in P3 and whilst turning was finding that the turning radius was not tight enough, this could result in drifting into the right lane that may have a vehicle in it - it is more difficult to make a turn tighter than it is for it to be done wider. So if one was in P1 and finding that his or her turning radius was not tight enough, than it would leave much more room (and time) to correct it into a tighter turn and if that failed, then one would still have some 'leeway room" to compensate for the lack of a tight turn. Does that make sense? Now the other question some people have asked is - why not be in P2/centre lane position then. I think you already know this :D but for those who may be reading and do not, P2 at intersections/stops, tends to be where the most gravel/vehicle fluids, etc accumulate which = more risk to the ride/chance to lose traction. I hope this helps and I am loving these kinds of discussions!!! It would sure be great to be on the team that develops the riding guides and 'rules' for riders, wouldn't it - even if just for the discussions and knowledge!
I hear you! There are some things that we need to adapt if it suits our riding best to keep us at our safest! Hope your riding season is amazing as well!
This is such a great videos! Multiple examples in different scenarios. Thank you so much! I do have a question though. When you are turning left at either a stop light or just turning left, would you need to shoulder check the left? (I can see maybe a bicycle riding the wrong way on the road or a person jogging from behind and crossing the road where you are trying to turn left into.)
I just took a riding class and your instructions are the exact opposite, don’t understand your tutorial. Left turn is P3 to P3. Right turn is P1 to P1 to maintain your blocking position and not invite a car beside you. I’ll go with the instructors
That was cool.. : ) Can I ask what you were riding, also where you're from? I'm guessing by the size of the bike, and from what I could see, a Honda CBR 250..? \; | If so, kick ass! ^_^ I wish I had the coin to grab one! They're CRAZY amazing on gas because they're injected, and dirt cheap on insurance! : D If I ever won the lottery (HAHA yeah right!) I'd get a Honda CRF 450 enduro..*drools* Sigh..I can dream right?? lol
Left hand turn, P3 to P3 secures lane dominance. P1 to P1 invites cars to pull up beside you in the lane as you are lining up to turn and once you have turned you are less visible in P1 than in P3.
Right hand turn, P1 to P1 again secures lane dominance. Start in P3 invites cars to pull up beside you. Start in P3 exposes you to more road hazards (closer to the curb). Start in P3 means you are travelling closer to parked cars and risking getting doored. P3 to P3 means you have the tightest possible radius - harder to turn sharp, especially with the potential for road crap and finally, P3 to P3 means you are too close to the curb, less visible and thus inviting cars into your lane!
Fortunately, when I was a motorcycle instructor, lane position wasn't dictated by the Province trying to endanger people!
Literally what I was thinking the whole time, thank you!
I was thinking this as well...I do P1 to P1 for right hand turn and P3 to P3 for left hand. No way am I going to leave most of my lane open to cars on the right when I'm turning left and vice versa.
Thanks for all the tips! Just passed my ICBC road test after watching your videos!!
The tester said 'GREAT SHOULDER CHECKS' HAHA
You should do a road trip to Albertastan and do a video there (after you brush up on any Alberta specific rules) as there are few good quality examples like your excellent ones.
This is what i've been wanting to know. New rider this year, and this type of info wasn't in my MSF course. Thank you!!!
Your very smooth in your riding. I subscribed after searching for cbr250r vids and am enjoying you vids. Thanks!
Thanks for the kind words Brett! I've a ways to go and always room for improvement but that was nice to hear :). I love my 250 - great little bike
Very nice amd informative video.. but one thing I don't understand is the purpose of the deep right shoulder check when in P3 and there's nothing but the curb beside you. Is it just for looks, or is there something I'm missing?
Can you do a video on lane position on multi-lane roads?
I’m so confused here OK so I’m driving on the road on my bike what tire track position should I be in P1 or P2 or P3? I’m in Ontario and I would like to know so I could pass my test once and for all.
Big help. I'm going for my motorcycle test soon. Thank you for this video!
I really like your tutorials. I have a question about left turn lane positioning. Right or wrong I would think that starting the turn in P3 and ending in P1 would be better. I've sat at a set of lights in P1 and had vehicles turn left from beside me to across my path because there's a little room there. Plus finishing the turn in P1 avoids right turning vehicles that are coming the other way. Thoughts?
Geoff, great observation and I love how you are thinking about and analyzing it! This is what I do too lol. So on that note, I do think you have some valid points for sure. I do present the riding tutorials as per what is outlined in our provincial Riding Manuals/Guides and they do indicate that left turn should be from P1 into P1 (eg ICBC Learn to Ride Smart manual, p. 56) but I certainly see what you are saying. So on that note, my thoughts on this are: If you are in P3, you are right in questioning whether that lessens the opportunity for motorists to infringe into your lane...I am, however, thinking that the suggestion to leave in P1 and enter into P1 may have to do with turning radius/ability/room to correct - for example, if one was to start in P3 and whilst turning was finding that the turning radius was not tight enough, this could result in drifting into the right lane that may have a vehicle in it - it is more difficult to make a turn tighter than it is for it to be done wider. So if one was in P1 and finding that his or her turning radius was not tight enough, than it would leave much more room (and time) to correct it into a tighter turn and if that failed, then one would still have some 'leeway room" to compensate for the lack of a tight turn. Does that make sense?
Now the other question some people have asked is - why not be in P2/centre lane position then. I think you already know this :D but for those who may be reading and do not, P2 at intersections/stops, tends to be where the most gravel/vehicle fluids, etc accumulate which = more risk to the ride/chance to lose traction.
I hope this helps and I am loving these kinds of discussions!!! It would sure be great to be on the team that develops the riding guides and 'rules' for riders, wouldn't it - even if just for the discussions and knowledge!
I'm certainly not saying I'm right but it's what I'm comfortable with. Hope PG has an awesome riding season!
I hear you! There are some things that we need to adapt if it suits our riding best to keep us at our safest! Hope your riding season is amazing as well!
This is such a great videos! Multiple examples in different scenarios. Thank you so much! I do have a question though. When you are turning left at either a stop light or just turning left, would you need to shoulder check the left? (I can see maybe a bicycle riding the wrong way on the road or a person jogging from behind and crossing the road where you are trying to turn left into.)
Absolutely fantastic help. Thanks !
+billdrumming thanks for watching and for the positive feedback!
Excellent content. Thank you!
I just took a riding class and your instructions are the exact opposite, don’t understand your tutorial. Left turn is P3 to P3. Right turn is P1 to P1 to maintain your blocking position and not invite a car beside you. I’ll go with the instructors
super helpful, thanks!
OcTanE and I are going to the same places 😄 Gotta be some YT directing there. Going back to basics is never bad. Thanks for this.
lol! You bet - these are fun vlogs to do actually :)
ok i'll watch this one two, i'll let you know in a couple of weeks
What if you're not making any turns what's the lane you should be in????
Right hand turn --- p1 into p1
Left hand turn --- p3 into p3 need to be in blocking position
In Ontario a right turn is done from p3 to p3 not p1 never p1 to p1
That was cool.. : ) Can I ask what you were riding, also where you're from? I'm guessing by the size of the bike, and from what I could see, a Honda CBR 250..? \; | If so, kick ass!
^_^ I wish I had the coin to grab one! They're CRAZY amazing on gas because they're injected, and dirt cheap on insurance! : D If I ever won the lottery (HAHA yeah right!) I'd get a Honda CRF 450 enduro..*drools* Sigh..I can dream right?? lol