HO SCALE MANUAL REMOTE TURNOUTS!
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- Tutorial on how I designed and built remote switch control for Peco switches on my HO Erie Lackawanna layout. Supplies easily available at the hardware store or hobby shop. If you don't use Peco switches, you should check out my other video... "One More Quick Thing..." • REMOTE SWITCH CONTROL ...
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Pretty ingenious!
Simplicity itself.
Thanks for sharing.
Simple for my simple mind! 🤣
Thanks Stan.
You explained that very well.
You also have a relaxing and friendly voice.
Very kind words, Peter! Thank you!
Just to add one of the simplest and best explanations I've seen. Thanks for the calm, evenly paced walkthrough. Some of the best 15mins of TH-cam video.
Very kind words, thank you!
You're most welcome and have a great 2024 @@StanFerris
Thank ❤ you so much, could not be any easier I will use it on my n gauge layout, paper clips should be strong enough. Thanks again, john.
Have fun, john!
Very nice, Stan. Back in 1969, when I was building my first N scale layout, available parts were hard to come by. Electrically-powered switches were costly for a kid whose railway was funded for by making deliveries for the local pharmacy. However, I had a bit of luck; my dad was a pilot, and so was acquainted with the wire-and-bell-crank setup used to move elevators, trim tabs, etc. on small aircraft. He was also an outfitter & guide, and had some heavy waxed thread (linen or flax used to sew canvas, I think), and a box of screw-in metal "rings" like one half of a gate latch. During WWII, while flying from airfields in England, he had seen British full-size practice where elevated trackside switch boxes containing rows of long levers, were linked to steel bars that ran beside the right-of-way to a distant switch. The Switchman would set the 'points' and the corresponding semaphore indicator with these big levers.
There was not much variety available in N scale stuff at that time, but the only hobby shop in the district had Peco manual N scale switches. My dad and I worked out a somewhat similar setup to yours.
At the switch, a vertical wire link came up next to the switch, and turned to move the manual throw. On the underside was a small plywood quadrant, set up like an aircraft bell-crank. 2 heavy threads attached to this could rotate it 90 degrees or so. Then the two cords ran back through screw-in eyes on the underside. The screw-eyes allowed a change of direction where needed. The cords were attached to a row of levers (clothespins?) set on one side of the layout. The levers were mounted side-by-side on a piece of a bicycle spoke, and springs or a rubber band kept the threads taut. The levers latched at either end of the throw, and the thread rotated the bell-crank when pulled, turning the wire that poked up and moved the switch. A little flag showed how the switch was lined. This worked quite well. By using the metal eyes to change the path of the thread, it could move a switch several feet away. It was not as tidy as what you've built, but the principle was the same. It was quite reliable and most importantly, didn't cost much. If the switches had not been Peco snap-action ones, things would not have worked as well.
I'm now retired and living on a small fixed income, and I've been looking at building a small layout of some sort. I really like the method you have invented, with the push-pull dowels, so I may borrow it. Anyhow, many thanks for this "show and tell." I really enjoyed it.
Jim, what a great story! Thanks so much for sharing it. Tinkering around is one of the pleasures of model railroading for me, so I enjoy non-standard solutions. Hope you get a chance to fiddle around a bit with a model of your own!
Nice idea.
This is an excellent system! I just implemented this on two turnouts, in N, on my lunch break in about 15 minutes using materials on hand. Love it!
That sounds great! Hope it works as well for you as it has for my layout.
This is genius!!!!! Simple and effective
You are too kind! Thank you. Everything is still working OK.
Stan that was an awesome video. I will give this a try with my first layout. Appreciate you sharing this easy inexpensive rig. Here I am 1 year after many have commented on your video and learning a new idea. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
Thank you, John, for the kind words! There are a number of simple ways to control the turnouts remotely, especially at the time you are first laying track. Unfortunately, I didn't think I needed remote action when I was setting up my railroad. Live and learn, I guess! 😁
Thank you so much for making these I'm definitely going to add them to my layout you are why DIY are the best
Very kind words, Jeff. Thank you. Yes, DIY is lots of fun!
Truly the acme of simplicity ! Well done
Very kind words. Thanks Kurt!
THANK YOU...for sharing. Great idea with just a little material.
Yes, very inexpensive, and few moving parts!
I love this, im planning on building a point to point siding layout and these will work perfectly, thank you for sharing Stan!!!!
Don, sounds like a fun layout!
Fantastic! Great idea! I was thinking of something like that but hadn’t got nearly a far or as well thought out as your throws. Thanks again!
Thanks, Raymond. So far, so good.
Perfect! Just what I needed. I tried the Wills kit with oo9 points, but the metal rod bends the sleeper when switching the points. I'll try a modified version of what you are doing here. Awesome, very professional video! Subscribed. 👍👍👍
Enjoyed your Layout in a Box video!
Thank you for sharing this. Great ideas are often the simplest ideas. Like you, I now have 20 or so points to make remote controlled. Might even attempt a double slip, might being the key word.
Good luck with your project! A double sounds like a challenge.
Well done Stan - really super idea and very instructional video! -Rick
Thanks, Rick! I just added a quick vid for non-Peco turnouts.
this is also a great way of fitting remote switch motors without making big holes in the base board and if you have a thick board. I line the holes with fine brass tube as well. Was going to do them all with a square hook in the middle of the rails but love the idea of the indicator. Great vid.
Cool idea about the switch motors! Thanks!
I like this way of making a remote control. As you say your self. It is so simple. Steen, Denmark. And good luck 😄.
Yes Steen, not too complicated for my brain!
A good idea for operating peco points. I thought as you showed the workings and makings, you were going to have the wire come about an inch dead straight underneath and then put a 90 degree bend in it. Then put another 90 Degree bend facing upwards at the distance you want the push rod to travel. This means the push pull rod would be supported by the wire at one end and the frame at the other. Also the hole in the rod would only need to be round not elongated to allow for an angle change. As you made it, there is a possibility the rod will work its way along the wire and bind the rod in the sideframe or actually fall off.
Great comment! You certainly could make those extra bends. In my case, my facia panel is very thick (3/4" pine board plus the brown hardboard) and did support/guide the sticks well. With the single bend I felt there would be good pinching down pressure on the wire to keep the small hook on top secure in the tiny hole in the switch sleeper. In an addendum video I also showed how a piece of an aluminum rivet could be pinched onto the wire to support the stick end as well. Thanks for the suggestion! th-cam.com/video/YWOwgrxT7-4/w-d-xo.html
love this video.. I've always been fascinated by mechanisms..as you've said..couldn't be easier. thank you for sharing.
Thanks! Some of my switches are placed exactly on top of framing, so that will require a bit of a work-around. I hadn't planned for this originally.
@@StanFerris I did a similar thing.. I built my current layout in four ft modules..but, the flow of my track plan put some of my switches on a joint of two modules. I went with it figuring I would cross that bridge if and when that day comes.
@@Mercatoyd Yup... and I'm crossing that bridge right now! ;)
Finnaly Ive found what Ive been looking for. Excellent Stan
Thanks, Rod! I was just trying to find something simple, since most of the tricky stuff was already built into the Peco switches themselves.
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! Very well done.
Hopefully I can convert it to N scale.
Hi Glenn! I don't see why it wouldn't. Good luck, and give it a try!
@@StanFerris Very easy and cool idea. On my layout, I do something similar, but a bit different. I also use piano wire, but I encase it in a brass tube. The tube runs along the top of the layout to the control horn of the switch. I cut off the nib of the Peco switch control horn and drill a hole for the piano wire. The wire and brass tube run from the switch all the way to the fascia of the layout where I make a small handle. Then, scenery covers the tube to the point that unless you look really closely, you cannot tell it's even there. Then, just like yours, you push or pull the wire to actuate the switch from the edge of the layout.
@@JacksonSubNScaleModelRailroad Sounds perfect Dave. If I had planned for remote control when I was laying track, I would have done something like you did, but unfortunately mine are an after thought. Great comment, thanks!
What a cracking idea !!! Excellent video with clear and concise explanation. Going to utilise this method on my 'Inglenook Challenge' Layout. Cheers.
Thanks, Richard! I just wanted to make things as simple as possible since the layout and switches were already in place. Had I done remote controlling from the very beginning, I may have done something like cutting a tube into the surface to run a wire through and put a hand-throw near the edge. So far, I haven't broken off any of the stems! Ha!
Awesome idea! Thanks for sharing. Dave
Cheers, Dave! I enjoy the tinkering part of the hobby!
My God! So simple it's brilliant!
Very kind words, Joseph! Thank you. I hadn't planned well for these when I first put in the trackwork, so I had to improvise.
That is a great idea. I like that!! I have saved that for future reference.Thanks for sharing.
Thank you Larry! I love your flat car build!
@@StanFerris Thank you very much.
Great Video. Who knew Doctor Aaron Glass was into Model Trains.
Thank you, Steve!
Great video, gonna use this on my layout
Thanks, Allen! Have fun, and let me know if you find any tricks to improve the design.
¡Hola buenas tardes Stan! Having watched the addendum video, before posting this comment, I can now add my own thanks for such a clever use of inexpensive materials. On the branch line board, of my garage layout, I have initially installed analogue Hornby surface-mounted point/switch motors. However, I am thinking of experimenting with some hidden, manual operated, lever systems. Your wire rod set up may just be what I’m looking for. Definitely food for thought Stan. I’ll post my experiments in due course. As ever, stay safe and well. Un saludo. Gary
Great, Gary! I'll be really interested to see what you come up with!
Thanks. I like the idea very much and am intending to use this on my layout.
Thanks Tim! Today I'll be finishing up #13 on my small layout. Seven more to go!
@@StanFerris Ah. Good luck. I do not have so many points. My layout is OO gauge but in the past I had a Garden Railway (45mm track). This point operation mechanism would be very good for that scale also. A long story but my Garden Railway is in the Philippines, boxed up and awaiting funds to ship it back the here in England.
thank you great idea with a great detailed video
Thanks Robert!
I LIKE IT!
THANK YOU For sharing😊
You're very welcome! Thanks!
Great idea! I like it.
Thank you! I finished up #13 today, 7 more to go.
Great video and idea utilizing Peco’s point holding snap spring , I did a similar thing on one of my layouts, The only down side I found is those push-pull rods will sometimes snag your clothing when walking by,🚂
I bump my head on my lights more than I snag on the rods. 😁 Thanks, Chuck!
@@StanFerris 😂
Ingenious. A great application of the KISS Principle. Wonder if that can be used for my KATO turnouts in some way?
Hey Andy! I'm not familiar with the Katos, but see if this helps: th-cam.com/video/YWOwgrxT7-4/w-d-xo.html
This was was absolutely FANTASTIC demonstration!!! I cannot say Thank you! enough. Your detailed, visual walk-through of the creation and assembly answered any question I might have had after you were done. Wonderful. I do have one question regarding the dowels underneath the layout. Your two shown are very short lengths. If the wood dowel has a length of 15" or longer, do you add some type of support to keep them from sagging? I was thinking, perhaps, a small piece of wood in their pathway with a hole drilled through it for the dowel to pass through.
Excellent observation! Yes, on some of my turnouts there is bench framing that I had to drill a hole in, providing the extra support. Interestingly, it's the really short dowels that are more fussy with a switch really close to the front edge of the layout. Thanks for your kind comments!
Looks great
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Very interesting, I may be able to use that basic method but I have about 110 Peco turnouts on my layout.
Wow, that's a lot of turnouts!
Nicely done, the only thing I might add (other than the paper clips idea) would be to paint green and red 'calibration bands' at the point where the dowels go into the facia so you can immediately see which way the point is set without peering across the layout. Any recommendation with respect to the maximum lever length under the board? As on OO9 the point throw distance is not that great.
Hi Martin! The max length of the rods is under 20" as my layout is along the wall and not very deep. Interesting idea about coding the rod ends!
Excellent---too good to be true
Thanks Buz! It's true-- not a deep fake! :) I've got 7 of them completely done and working, and another 6 ready to install. Thanks for watching!
Brilliant!
Thanks! I enjoy the tinkering part of this hobby!
Great video and great idea! What is the spacing on your drilling jig? Thanks.
Hi Tom! I looked around, but could not find the jig. It's been too long. The spacing was done will trial and error based on my Peco turnouts.
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Just to follow up, I went even cheaper by using paper clips instead of piano wire!
I notice your piano wire is 1.19mm. I think the paper clip is very similar in thickness.
I'm working in N scale, but I think wire of half the thickness would be too bendy to provide the necessary action on the switch.
Oh, and it works perfectly.
Thank you again.
That sounds great, Glenn. I enjoy the creativity this hobby can provide.
great
Thanks for watching!
Might I ask you for some very helpful information regarding the PECO switch you used (and in general). I do not own PECO, however after seeing this manual throw design I plan to buy PECO switches and duplicate your manual switch throw design. It's fabulous! Do all PECO insulated frog switches have the built-in, internal spring that holds the point snugly against the rail when thrown? I was looking at PECO #5 right (# SL-8351) and PECO #5 left (# SL-8352) insulated frog switches for a small switching layout that runs shorter cars and engines. Might you know if these PECO switches have that built-in spring? MANY THANKS!!!
My understanding is that all PECO switches have the built-in spring lock points. The ones you mention are code 83 which is a lower profile rail than code 100. Also, PECO has been offering powered or non-powered frog options as well.
Thanks Stan. Code 83 , a non-powered frog, and an internal spring and I am ready to go. I prefer to add extra feeders to all three switch routes versus a powered frog which puts a lot more emphasis on smooth rolling wheels. I do like that internal spring. That is a superb inclusion making rail contact firm and dependable.
@@Tnapvrvideo Exactly. Although perhaps not as prototypical a look as some others, the mechanical reliability of the PECO has been great for me. That said, you have to clean where the points touch the rails occasionally. I've converted my layout to batter power (dead rail) for my locos, so even that's not a real issue for me anymore.
Why didn't put a pin in the hole in your jig where the horn would be and bend the wire around that? Perfectly accurate everytime.
Great idea David! Thanks!
What kind of battery system do you use. I also have 2 engines with battery power but the system is not in production any more.
Hi, David! I've done a few videos on the system I use, which is S-Cab. Very happy with it. Here's the first install one I did: th-cam.com/video/ryinlRLmx9A/w-d-xo.html
then I did some others as well. Hope this answers your question. Thanks for a great question!
Hi. Just wondering what battery system you're using? Enjoy your day. Ray L
Hi Ray! I'm using the S-Cab system for battery power. Here's the first video I did on the conversion... th-cam.com/video/ryinlRLmx9A/w-d-xo.html
Great idea for use with Peco switches. But Peco track uses European tie spacing, so the track doesnt have a North American look. For me that is important. So Peco cannot be used. Atlas is used instead, but Atlas does not have a flip spring to secure the points against the stock rails, so your method will not work very well. Do you have a fix for the problem of switches with no flip spring? Maybe small magnets that ride on the throw bar?
Thanks for watching, Ange! Yes, Peco is not for everyone. How about this... th-cam.com/video/YWOwgrxT7-4/w-d-xo.html
I see Green indication for BOTH positions of the switch ... ?
Yes, the colors I painted on the small disk were just for fun, as the mechanism doesn't rotate enough to be visually useful seeing them from the side.
why don't you just use your 'jig' to make another bend - just push a drill bit though a hole and bend wire to make a loop. Otherwise very nice and simple and thanks for sharing.
Great suggestion! Thank you!
Excellent! This is giving me ideas for my layout. Remote switch machines would be nice, but when I can reach the switch to do it manually, it seems a bit excessive.
Thanks, Rick. These and the Kadee coupler magnets keep me from reaching in and knocking over stuff as often. :)