Four way vintage speaker Beovox S-75 (1976). Better than Kef LS50 ?
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- Here I review Beovox S-75 ( Bang and Olufsen) 75 watts 4 ohms speaker from 1976 .
using various source mostly
Blue sound streamer and Sansui vintage AU317 amplifier.
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It's unbelivable, that this guy provides such a good material on fly with no scripts, promprets, editing etc.
Check in the post lol
it's called passion
@@johnsweda2999 thats just index he put on after video is made. nice way as he then can polish the video after shooting it, I will instantly use this great way of not having to polish all to max at first.
He will have a cheat sheet .
I could listen to this gentleman talking Hi-Fi for hours...
He's really good, he knows his stuff!
Your review is spot on. For its time this were very good and still kinda compact but big sounding speakers.
Back then this was still categorised as a large bookshelve speaker,but as accessories there was a speaker
stand made of aluminium available.
The Seas bass drivers of the 25F series (25F-EW,25F-EWR and 25F-EWX) were very popular OEM chassis and
they are found in speakers from B&O up to Sony and Wega around the mid seventies. The EW/EWR types are
optimised for close cabinets,while the EWX version has a stronger magnet and was intended for use in ported
speakers. It was mostly sold with Seas speaker kits.
In fact the EW-type is still in production today and you find it in the actual product catalog from Seas. It ist nowadays
called A26RE4 and it is by no stretch of the imagination a bargain chassis as the older chassis of the family
were.
The thing with the old EW/EWR and the newer A26 types is that they have a smooth frequency response that reaches
into the midrange on one side and that they benefit basswise from a large enclosure,easily double that of the S-75.
Its because the free air resonance frequency of this chassis is very low (around 25 Hz). So you can built rather big
2-ways that reach into realy deep bass while having all the nice sound attributes of a good papercone up to the midrange.
A few high end speaker producer still making 2-way based on this chassis.
The lower midrange cone and the midrange dome are Phillips/Valve chassis. The cone midrange is the AD5060W with
additional enclosure,the dome the at the time widely used AD211. Like the Seas bass driver this midrange dome had a
very favorable price/value relation back then,especially when bought in large quantities.
The tweeter is a Peerless KO10DT,later called 810665. Also widely used by many speaker manufacturers.
The crossover is a,typical for the time,as simple as it gets 6db network,except for the tweeter which has a 12dB/Oct high-
pass. But there are additional parts for level adjustment and impedanzcorrection. A additional serial RC load is in parallel
to the crossover,because otherwise the load the amp "sees" would be very low impedance higher than 5kHz.
Well,as you pointed out all chassis used in this speaker are of above average quality for its time. Not top class in quality
but certainly among the best when it comes to bang for the buck at that time. The soft filters used leave wide overlaps
between the chassis. Certainly the reason behind that "focus" is a bit lacking and that there is a bit of iffyness in the mid-
range. However to address this would mean a way more complicated and expensive crossover. Anyway,personaly i think
this is a bit of a lazy design that entirely hinges on chassis quality. One could do noticable better with this set of chassis.
However,at the time the S-75 was - pretty untypical for B&O - not a expensive speaker and pretty good value as it is.
Yes great info thank you I did always think these drivers could sound better was my instinct so thanks for the technical stuff cheers K
Don’t know why but I like hearing you talk about stereo stuff thanks
I really enjoy these speakers. Just swapped the DIN connector for a banana terminal to use each cable. One of the best speakers I've ever had! Thank you for the great tip.
Love your videos … I just learn so much … you make me want to go and listen to music every time I watch one of your videos
You can't get a better endorsement than that!
Jakob Jensen is a legend in loudspeaker design
It has a peerless silk/textile dome
Yes if they made a speaker with those four drivers today it’s cost £4000
Bang and Olufsen is excellent quality I wish all audiophiles would have an objective view like yourself Kelvin. All my kit is B n O cracking hi fi
Great vid Kelvin! That SRV track is stunning, thanks for mentioning it.
I had the S-80. I Refoamed them and refreshed the crossover. They were great speakers. I sold them for an offer I couldn't refuse.
hello kallvin , i love your reviews, i have the beovox s60 in my main setup , and yes they make me smile.
The Beovox S45-2 's are pretty great too and known for their midrange clarity and airy top end, always wanted to try the S-75's for the additional bass, many say the additional bass comes at a compromise of clarity. They are definitely revealing, no great for lesser quality recordings.
I really like your videos. Thanks for sharing so many interesting gears ! I have Diatone 4 ways and I love them !
love your style!
The only problem with these speakers is that the sweet spot for listeners position is very narrow , but while you are there , you are in heaven . Keep them tilted backwards a few degrees - the bass will improve at longer listening distance .
I like your way to explain your things man
Thanks for the casual and informative review. I got lucky in the early 2000s and picked up a mint pair from an estate sale for $100 US dollars. When I lifted up the left speaker to move it to the car the receipt was under the speaker. Brand new in the mid 1970s it read 799.99 from a local (Rochester NY) Hi-Fi dealer. When they are in good condition the rosewood shines and the aluminum accent really looks classy. I do enjoy the sound when I use them, your comments on the sound are very accurate, an easy speaker to listen to all day, no fatigue. So I am the 2nd owner and yes I did get both grills =). On a side note I use an empty paper towel tube up to my ear to listen to each driver to make sure they work when purchasing used vintage speakers. Keep up the entertaining reviews, Cheers!
Those bass drivers are like the ones in my Heybrook 3s. Nice speakers there!
Great review ( as usual)
The dome midrange, i confirm ,is a Philips made, it was a gorgeous component, I used it in the end of seventies to made a couple of speakers similar to above. Was the best baffles that i made (and in 45 years like you i've built a lot of them,I have always been a DIY enthusiast ). The best hifi channel in YT, congratulation Kelvin.
Thanks Mario I have seen that tweeter in Recording studio speakers also from the 70s and 80s.
Cheers K
Those speakers DO look pretty impressive. I owned a pair of KLH-5's while in college. They were popular in states in the 70's. What was amazing is that they survived in-tact over three years...along with my power amp.
Probably the best KLH made, I wouldn't let those go.
I've enjoyed your reviews, sir, since I started getting into audio/stereo hobby late 70 - to 80's. The same Philips 2" AD2110SQ squawker (midrange) was common at the time. I used those in three DIY speaker designs. One was with two D'Appolito style, tweeter between two vertically. Later that model changed a bit, no "spider" 8 leg diffuser/protection on dome. It was fine (at the time) with 3 way crossover, 750-4000 Hz range.
Philips 2 inch high power dome squawker (middle range) AD0210/Sq(4/8). Very good!
Thanks for another video , always a good day when it happens
I’m making new videos these days by the way
Love it Kelvin, thanks. Just waiting for a voice coil for the RL 140's may do a vid...
Great review. Good use of sound descriptive terms. You could learn something about sound in general, even if you don't care about these speakers in particular. Always something to learn from Kelvin.
Only one observation: you might be surprised from how much some vintage speakers can benefit from an analog source (turntable, cassette deck).
Seas drivers are good and I've used Peerless tweeters in projects I've done with very good results.B&O made some good quality speakers.
Great vlog, thanks for the Steve Ray Vaughan tip, love it, obviously Little Wing another fabulous track by him
The octagonal shape of the second mid points at Philips as well
I still love my old Duntech Crown Prince speakers. Had the filters recapped last year and it sound great.
These were the fourth o fifth pair of speakers I got on my audiophile journey (I now have a couple hundreds, I reckon). I immediately fell in love with them and they are still amongst the five favourite of my collection, when it comes to listening enjoyment.
With the grilles on, they are the best looking speakers ever made: with a few distinctive elements, but sober and classy. The thin metal layer on the edges covered with the wood veneer is superb, only outmatched by the delicate inclinations of the waffle and grilles, along with the small plaques with the brand.
The two Philips mids are outstanding. I think that Philips is generally not given proper credit. They made some of the best drivers, like the famous 9710 alnico full range.
However, I also happen to have a pair s45 (the plain ones, not the more legendary s45-2). Oh, man! Those SEAS mids 🤯! If you happen to come across a pair of these at a decent price, don't think twice, they are an absolute winner. You're welcome 😉
Yes thanks for your info agreed Phillips get a bad press
see those tweeters in studio equipment sometimes as you may know
And that Bass driver is just a winner its seas I believe
@@stereoreviewx yes, so to summarize (I think it's gotten confusing), driver brands on the beovox s series:
S75: SEAS woofer, Philips mid-low, Philips mid-hi, Peerless tweeter
S45: Peerless woofer, SEAS mid, Philips tweeter
So it's funny how they combined the same three brands differently, with not one repeated driver on the two speakers of the same series.
The crossovers in my pair nearly caught on fire. Smoking!
Yes that midrange is a Phillips driver. I used them in a speaker kit project I built for my O Level DT practical exam in 1982. Mine had a paper dome and a matched tweeter from Phillips too. As you said good mid-fi level.
The bass unit was a very sturdy Volt 8 inch unit and I actually went to see the factory and designer back then, which they still make!
Yes, you are making sense! I agree that a first class front end makes the world of difference and will bring the best out of vintage equipment. And as you say it might even be more enjoyable than using with ultra clean new equipment.
I have a pair of Philips 22RH487 with those Philips Squakers in it. They are hooked up to my Model 1070 Marantz amp hooked up to my Game PC. The tweeters in it were even manufactured for McIntosh brand back in the day but with a rectangular bazzle instead of a round one.
makes sense sure enjoy the insight . thanks.
Kelvin you need to recap the crossovers. Major improvements coming if you do. Also air core inductors.
parallel the caps too
The only reason to use air core inductors is that the ferrite core might saturate at very high levels. I think B&O would probably have noticed if this was happening. As long as the caps haven't deteriorated (electrolytics) they can be left also, or replaced with film caps.
I will do that work with my pair of S 60. There are 7 Cap's in each speaker. I think they are off because of age. You have instructions for free on internet. But I will only use fine caps on the mid and on the tweter, it's no need to have luxurious caps on the bass shunt. Electrolytes will do.
@@Ronnymikkonen2686 I agree with that. A capacitor that is within spec is all that is required, you don't need fancy makes. I used Panasonic polyprops in mine.
@@MrsZambezi Yes. I think they are not at all in the supposed range of value. The sound is all over the place. A 5,6 uF can be like 36 uF. And so on I think they Will be lovely when recapped. There is also improvement to do if you add a ribbon inside the baffle above the bass speaker so it will be sturdier. You glue it with epoxy..
I have some S60s and listen to them every day, with a subwoofer. They look exactly the same with the covers off and sound great.
That Peerless soft dome tweeter was a great driver that never got the credit it was due. It's response was inherently flat and reasonably extended. Furthermore it could play down to lower frequencies even as low as 1500 hz which made it a great choice for two way speakers. It was also more efficient than the competition with excellent power handling. To top it off it was inexpensive and worked well as a replacement tweeter for most any application. I used to sell them for $25 in a audio hobby store I used to work for back in 79. They sounded nicely detailed yet smooth as butter.
🤗 GOOD EDUCATION ,EXPLANATION ,from your years of experience 😊 Back in the 80’s got a book from the 50,60s …I think it was “GOOD SOUND “ or something similar ….agrees with what you were saying …GOOD WILL ALWAYS BE GOOD …but better will come 🤔 TRUE IN MY EXPERIENCE 😍😍😍
Great lovely channel...thanks for your relaxing reviews ! FYI here in Denmark the children which parents had money in the 70-80' (and B&O.. a lot of B&O here at that time, even in working class houses) are selling out... a lot of old B&O stuff for a bargin.... After your review I gona pick up the Beovox S75 next time some are for sale close by... or Beovox S45-2 as these are a real bargin and there are lot for sale.... so Kelvin it's your fault I'm gone down that route :-) ...I just bought a reworked Accuphase E-202 amp... it's a joy... now the 'quist' is on for matching speakers, tomorrow I get a set of Dali 18...but I'll try out diffrent speakers.
Yes that’s interesting I got lots of cheap piano maybe five years ago here in the UK not so much now though good luck my friend let me know what sounds good
If you can find them: go for M70 instead. Basically the same as S75, but slightly more refined low end where the S75 can be a bit bloated. Unless you prefere a bit bloated. Nothing wrong with that :)
Btw: the S60 is the older brother of the S75. Sounds about the same.
The chamber enclosed driver at 3:17 is a Philips mid-range. I have two of those on each of my speakers.
Thank you so much dude. Great info. I’m subscribing to see the Roll Royce speakers from Europe. See ya.
Very much like Philips drivers. Especially the dome "squawker"
I built speakers using Philips drivers back in the mid 80's.
Quality stuff.
Peerless makes nice tweeters, as well.
Sehr schöne Lautsprecher und tolle Erläuterungen dazu. Vielen herzlichen Dank!
Wann kommt ein Video mit Soundcheck, damit man sie hören kann?
It’s just so hard to do sound via TH-cam
Once you’ve recorded it and uploaded it God knows how many things have happened to it
They are fine speakers. I bought a pair of B&O S 60. I bought them for 400 Swedish Kr. 30£. I tested them with Mark Knopfler's Heart of Gold. They really give me that good feeling, and they didn't let me down on any point.
Yes the feeling of safety and satisfaction with no wanting
@@stereoreviewx I love them, and I really wanted to own speakers with the Seas 10" woofer. And I really got a bargain on them.
Thanks Kevin sansui the good ones awesome......
One very nice Philips 2 inch high power dome squawker (middle range) AD0210/11Sq(4/8). Very good! The other is very similar to AD5060Sq but the rear box is longer than the original from Philips. It could be interesting if that box would be remove to see what driver is!
Crazy as it sounds I picked up a pair of these for free at the side of the road today.
my idea of perfection and heaven. I would die for them.. Just the look is fantastic. I give up looking at prices because they are probably thousands to buy which is in my dreams.
No I don’t think they’re in the thousands at all. Often the grills are missing he might get them 300 quid
I hope
Thank you for such an accurate review, can you share the list of songs recommended to listen to in this form?
Both mid-range are Philips, I had them in home build speakers.
BTW, if you see an octagonal speaker basket on a vintage driver, 9 out of 10 times it is Philips. They are actually very good, if they sound iffy it is probably the cross over that is holding them back.
Yes sounds right to me
I had a pair of these, powered by an ITT Schaub Lorenz 4500 receiver. I got tired of replacing the Seas drivers and wound up selling them.
midrange and mid tweeter are Philips (midrange used also on the Infinity Qbx) nice the Seas woofers, this is a interesting pair of speakers for real
Those have nice drivers,,,,,,I have Seas & Peerless in my Boston Acoustics A 150 & Snell E II USA Speakers which sound nice (East Coast Sound) and natural an not a lot of money. Not a lot of bass but enough as you describe it. No fatigue and can listen for hours. Forget I got a pair of B&O S-45 that I almost forgot I had bought a few years ago..................have to go and listen to them!
The two mid ranges are both Philips drivers, respectively the AD 5060 and the very good and famous dome midrange 0211 in this case as the dome is silk. Bang and Olufsen used a lot of Philips drivers in their speakers.....😉
Philips 2 inch high power dome squawker (middle range) AD0210/11Sq(4/8). Very good! The other is very similar to AD5060Sq but the rear box is longer than the original from Philips. It could be interesting if that box would be remove to see what driver is!
@@DoNaSbaR It is the woofer version, AD5060/W, the one with the rubber surround instead of the textile surround used in the AD5060/Sq squawker and installed on a bigger sealed enclosure. Good stuff.
@@antoniocerveira930 You are right, that's the woofer version (rubber surround). Thanks for telling.
Check the capacitors in the crossovers . Those SEAS bass drivers could go as low as 30Hz . Rarely you could find a ported speaker which could go as low . As for the sealed/closed design , it gives precision/accuracy to the bass .
S75 are great speakers if all drivers and crossovers are in good condition .
Officially in that speaker set up they go 35/36 low. Matbe a tweak is needed? Or a bass heavy amp?
@@corneliusantonius3108 No tweak . Just check with a tone generator . I can hear sound even slightly bellow 30 Hz . But you are right , it depends on amplifier . Old Pioneer amplifier gives an incredible rumble to the bass . Tube amplifier , not so much .
at minute 6:00 to reply i can say that you can attach a pc to the amplifier and with a App that generates tones you can hear precisely the band that any driver is commited to with all the frequencies cuts of the crossover, so it begin to be easy to find the driver that works bad or doesn't work at all
Great channel Kelvin. If you get a chance to discuss or review transmission line speakers it'd be good to get your thoughts. I have some IMF RSPM Mark IV speakers I love. They're huge though.
I’m sure they’re great
9:47 - this speakers are also 3-way ones ) that's a deal with "phase link" design.
that one extra driver is not in between of two other but plays with them overlapping their frequencies.
what do you think of Beovox S60? I have a pair of S60 they can get loud and has a lot of bass and looks very similar to the S75 pair you have.
Nice speakers
Really enjoyable review as always kelvin. Any chance of doing a review of the sugden A 25 at some point ?
Yes I will I think I had one once I think it was great
I think that “phase link” driver is also a Philips. If I remember correctly, Infinity used this driver as an actual midrange in their Qb speaker of the late 1970s.
Indeed it is. They used a small 5'' woofer, the AD5060/W, in a sealed enclosure.
If you get pair of Beovox 5000 the old model, keep them. They are heaven!!!
When some of the units are down, as you mention, does that indicate need for renovating the electronic components distributing the electricity, that speakers need as they age?
I tried making speaker boxes in the 1980s they sounded good
A.D 2010 not the 2011. these are 4 ohm. Who would think of using 2 8 ohm drivers, then 2 4 ohm drivers. B .O. 1977 . You reviewed them, Sweet sound for the soal..thank you.
Thanks for the info
It's a Phillips/Peerless shmorgishborg. B&O really stuffed a ton of drivers on one baffle.
These midrange's (upper midrange) are indeed Philips. I got original Philips speakers (457's) from '76 with them. Amazing speakers for what they are and the best midrange I have heard. Yes I said it
I agree. I think both midrange drivers are Philips.
@@llucrescu9058 could be, by the angular shape
I Looked them up and found that I they are on there intended stands the high and mid section is vertical instead of slanted down so they really were designed with a stand in mind tilted slightly backward. It also says they are supposed to have more bass than the 45-2's Maybe try them through the Preamp section?
Nice interesting Video. Since u took off the drivers would had loved to see the internal of the spesker box construction. The seas Driver is a damn good one used the worlds most popular 2 way spesker ever Dynaco A25. If one wishes one can build a newer Seas A26kit superb 2 way.
Money for nothing is a track that I find it needs damn good speskers or I won’t enjoy
Seriously worlds most popular speak I didn’t know
The inside is got actual wool in it I believe it’s kind of red
Hi had bang and Olufsen for 40 years ..... now switching for 2 years to other audio.....sansui au 717.. bluesound node 2i ....jbl l00 rega planner 3 schitt phono pre amp and schitt Freya tube preamp..... much much better than bang and olufsen.......but that’s a choice and personal taste....keep on going Kevin..... nice job.....
You picked some nice gear there the Sansui and the JBl s Has just got a sound great
You have to Review the old’s pioneer speakers von 90’s please! Cheers mate
Please…tell us what you think of ADS/Braun- particularly the L710.
3:48 yes, they were made by Phillips, thy are in MFB Speakers aswell.
The magnet on this woofer is small by today's standard. The dome tweeter magnets on my low priced Andrew Jones Pioneer BS-22 speakers are fairly large.
John Martyn!! Oh yes. a great video of him doing Glory Box on youtube.
Great review!
Lots of interesting comments here too. Vintage speakers can sound really 'correct'.
However, I'm not sure they compete with the speed of modern speakers.
Some genres of music benefit from modern fast accurate drivers.
Also both types have different amplifier requirements.... What did Kevin use with the ls50's?
The market for something in between is growing now though. I would like to see you review modern Wharfedales Lintons Kevin!
Well I would say a couple of things modern speakers maybe get more bass out of smaller boxes but I wouldn’t call them quicker gently paper cones this as quick as they can get but they can break up at high volumes
I find it interesting and baffling why they haven’t completely got on top of Speaker designed by now
One of my probably best speakers spender bc 1 ones I think 1972 something like that
Wow this is awesome! It uses same bass & upper mid what Finnish BBX 485 uses made in 80's. Those are iconic speakers.
What‘s your current 2nd hand amp recommendation for 300€ tops?
Watch your channel religiously, excellent content and no bullshit! I recently acquired a Sansui AU717, are you able to recomend suitable vinatge speakers. Sansui recommended 8 OHM speakers for the AU717. Thank you.
Well it’s a tricky question all I would say is big if you can
Celestion Ditton now always get it wrong 25 or 44 the ones with three drivers 12 inch bass driver mid range on Twitter that will give you a big luxurious sound
@@stereoreviewx Thanks Kelvin, will take a look and see what is available.
I prefer closed box-bass over BR. It sounds 'softer' but more definition and extention bcs of the 6dB roll-off The mid-dome is a Philips called squawker.
Philips 2 inch high power dome squawker (middle range) AD0210/Sq(4/8). Very good!
My high school bud got one of these and one weekend back in 1987, I spent 4 hours listening the Casey Kasem hosted American Top 40 on them. One of my grestest 80s memories ever. The last time I used them for long listening sessions was back in 1997. Paired with a good amp, no contemporary speaker under 3,000 quid can touch them. You're absolutely right, Kelvin. These speakers will walk over today's volume deficient designs - especially the KEF LS 50s.
Yes the speakers will give you an evolving experience which is what you want
K
I've got so similar B&O speakers but the midrange is also a dome speaker, unfortunately the bass drivers sound very tired.
Has he done a review of Bose studio craft 350 speakers. I am having difficulty in finding a report.
Good review Kelvin. I was wondering if you, or a previous owner, have replaced the original electrolytic crossover capacitors in these speakers, if not, then they are very likely to have deteriorated and be out of spec after 45 years. Do you generally look at replacing very old capacitors in your vintage speakers? I know it is a common and often necessary practice, in order to restore the original working condition of vintage speakers, which is something I do myself, using equivalent polypropylene caps. PS. Would you consider doing a video about speaker crossovers and the need to replace worn out, old electrolytic capacitors after 30 or 40 years or more of use?
Must say I rarely do that work I wouldn’t do it myself so it will be expensive I was thinking that I have two Sansui 441 receivers I thought I might re-Cap one then I could do a really good comparison
@@stereoreviewx If you are not experienced at recapping amplifiers and receivers, which can be difficult and time consuming, it is best left to service technicians and can be costly. Recapping speaker crossovers, however, is much simpler, usually requiring perhaps 1 to 6 inexpensive caps for each speaker, depending on the crossover design and should not be an especially expensive or time consuming job for a technician. Providing you have good access to the crossover boards inside the speaker cabinets, anyone who is reasonably proficient with basic soldering ability can do this work themselves. You need a soldering iron and some solder of course and some practice in basic de-soldering and re-soldering, for which there is plenty of information on line. After 30 years or more, all electrolytic capacitors will have deteriorated to some extent or other and will most likely no longer be operating at their original spec. The electrolytic caps in multi speaker boxes NEED TO BE REPLACED, to protect the mid and high frequency speaker components from receiving the wrong signal frequencies that cause them to not perform accurately as designed or not at all and may damage them. Anyone listening to decades old vintage speakers, that have not been recapped, are very likely not hearing those speakers the way they were originally designed to sound. They may sound slightly off to quite badly distorted, even if the speaker components themselves are still in good working order. The crossover components are vital to precisely separate the different frequencies and send the correct signal to each speaker component. So it is important that the crossover components are working accurately to their original specs. Unfortunately electrolytic capacitors don't last and should be replaced with new and better quality electrolytic ones of the original micro-farad (uf) value, or with equivalent uf value polypropylene caps, which I use, because they are only a bit more expensive than electrolytic ones, but sound great and will last much longer. Without replacing old, out of spec capacitors in vintage speaker crossovers, you will not really know how they were originally designed to sound and when the original sound is restored you may be pleasantly surprised at how good they are.
Thanks for the info Don
The SEAS bass is the same as the Dynaco A25, revered for its wicked bass, so why not add an aperiodic membrane to this - underneath to be out of sight? I plan to do this soon and make available a parts kit maybe.
Be careful if the bass drivers are down and need replacing they cost £130 plus now.
Two speaker gone or down you spending 2 thrids of speaker cost.
I guess thats the risk with older speakers .
Are those matched pair because tweeters are on same side?
They aren’t matched pairs match pairs would be a mirror image they’re actually quite rare
Hi 👋🏻 can you tell me what speaker fitting is used to plug into these speaker ? I see it’s 2 pin din but is it male or female ? Thanks 🙏
Without looking I think the plug is female
Ypu should match these with a philips vintage amp and they would shine
I've recently come across some videos about Radiotehnika loudspeakers from the 1980s. Soviet era speakers with lots of die cast drivers and large magnet tweeters in there, and great big oil capacitors in the crossovers. Ever heard of them? Or heard them?
No, can’t say I have
@@stereoreviewx Ebay has some listings out of Ukraine etc. If so inclined, give em a go. Though I hear the cassette decks have such massive flywheels and powerful motors that rewind and fast forward, well, snap tapes. Yikes.
Anyone got any advice on the merits of replacing the capacitors in old speaker crossovers? I'm thinking about re-capping my Ditton 44's.
Absolutely has to be done. I was going to say the same to Kelvin
Yes they should have bipolar alcap capacitors, electrolytics, only leave the film caps should be alright! ask them to match them up you want 1% tolerance they might do this for you, but change the resistors to 0.1% tolerance film thick of thin film resistors minimum 50 Watts + otherwise you'll need heat sink. quite expensive but worth having. got to have your tolerances very tight for each and but both speakers respectively, a matched pair. possibly changing the wire might be advisable in the speaker as well use solid core midrange and tweeter in wall lighting mains wire 1.5mm strip the outer sheath and twist the two wires together every 1,1/2" and good quality silver solder 4% 6% would be better. Change the Binding post for wbt cheap Chinese knock-off supposed to be good, They need a bit of bracing inside the cabinets on the front baffle 1-inch Square pine wood, across the baffle just above the base driverat the opening not going to the ends tho! leave 3" gap on both sides and vertical strips on either side same 6" from the edges just where the magnet vocal coil would be situated, so slightly forward from centre vertically, don't nail just glue with PVA glue dilute it by 5% with water.
They have lossless cabinet so you want open frame stands to work best do not use stands with weight or centre colums wooden stands would be alright like little wooden tables tilt them back 5 degrees speakers try the tweeter pointing to your chin when they are tilted back place some blue tack between the base of the speaker and the stand probably two sheets for each I'm sure they're getting smaller those Blu-Tack packs you might like to try a tile on top of the speaker 5-inch tile fastened it with Blu-Tack slightly overhanging the front my 3-4 millimetres. One of the biggest improvements is to make a gasket for all of the drivers using blu tack bead about 6 mm for the woofer about 4 mm for the midrange and tweeter might need some Blu-Tack in the screw holes tighten but don't tighten too much only fasting the woofer tighter, this will cut down a lot of smearing from the drivers giving better phase coherence better detail especially the tweeter is more prone to this. Not sure what filling it has polyester fibre put some sponge on the bottom for the woofer section with the fibre don't go right up to the driver put the open cell foam first and then the fibre can get natural wool fleece even better then the poly fibre
Its certainly difficult to respect B&O these days, especially with that $90k monstrosity of powered towers their currently hocking. The vintage B&O stuff though..... Yes! ALWAYS interested in old Beovox models. Love to audition the penta system from the 90's!
Though the Beolab 90s might seem monstrous, having gotten a 30 minute audition with them, they simply blew me away and put similarly priced passive systems to shame
Mate. Try the m100s. Absolutely mind blowing and very under the radar. To me they are almost the perfect speaker. Pair them with a sugden a21 or decent sansui and it's heaven.
Yes and 100 is certainly look like they should deliver with all those drivers and they are good drivers
I really wanna hear them now I know it’s gonna be a huge sound
@@stereoreviewx yes loads of drivers and complex expensive crossover with lots of air Core inductors. . Astonishing detail.If you're ever in essex come over and have a listen Love your reviews. The best on TH-cam hands down. No bs just real talk and brilliant explanations on how all these amazing products sound.
Had all the drivers been centered, the imaging / soundstage would likely be better.
I’m not sure about that I think it’s the crossover
This is a very contentious area because I canna like offset tweeters I think they do something good but then there are great speakers that are vertical it’s not a science I understand I must admit
@@stereoreviewx I actually agree about offset tweeters. (or tweet-mids) in a 2 way design. They seem to enhance imaging. For a while (70's?) The game seemed to be just fill the box with many drivers to increase power handling and/or to impress your teenage friends. :) Good to see one that actually delivers though.
Does anyone on here use castle speakers .I see them up for sale from time to time and they look well made .
Hello, I am from and live in México. I just recently (couple of months at the most) run into your videos. It was a great coincidence that just over a week ago I saw these offered on facebook. Yesterday I bought them for 61 pounds. One paper woofer completely destroyed but otherwise in working condition. Today I ordered a woofer replacement on Ebay USA for 69 dlls+ SH. I connected the one complete speaker to my system and I just love the sound. I am a bit of a DIY guy or pragmatist (is that a word?), I work with what I have. Do you think there is anything that could or should be done to improve these speakers? I found that there is a lot of the stuff that was used in the old days for damping the sound below the carpets in cars but is all bunched up in the top compartment. Is that the way it was intended? do you think additional dampping should be used in all the inner walls of the speaker?, love to see your comments on this...cheers
Well I think the damping should be not all in one place and more evenly distributed it might be that someone’s taken some out that does happen
I don’t think I try adding materials to the walls of the cabinet
Ideally you’d like to see photos of original speaker inside just to see if you’ve got the right amount of wadding .
You can play around with wadding less wadding can sound more lively at low volumes but when you go loud less wadding will start vibrating the cabinet too much
And it will just sound tinny and too much mid-range
Good luck You’ve got a bargain if they made speakers today with for quality drivers they be at least £1500 probably more
@@stereoreviewx Thanks for the advice, keep up the work you are doing, people do not have a clue as to the amount of great gear that was used back then. I will certainly do my part in recovering whatever gear I can get my hands on and bring it up to its full glory as much as I can. Cheers
What are the Circa BANG AND OLUFSEN BEOVOX 3702 speaks like ?
Yeah not bad I think I reviewed them. Certainly have some good qualities though as I recall I just don’t like the Twieeter much
@@stereoreviewx thank you so much.
Another great Beovox speaker was the M75 .. I used to sell good audio equipment late 70's/ early 80's , I had a customer who had a pair off M75's who was running them with a Mitsubishi 150 watt per channel separate amp/ pre amp combo and was looking to up grade , I ended up getting him up to the Hafler DH 500 amp which was a beefy Mosfet (255x 2) as well as the Hafler DH110 Pre amp. I offered to bring the electronics out and set up. The speakers were mounted on b&o stands which allowed you to adjust the height off the floor as well a the tilt. We raised them till about 16" off the floor. Maybe a tilt which moved the bottom end of the speaker projecting about 25 degrees in front of the top half of the speaker. This Lifted vocals projecting up to a realistic height along with a larger sound stage presentation .Great quick punch on bass with a sweet mid/ top end . Anything from Another one bites the dust to Ravel 's Bolero from start to finish. I was very impressed with all the music we tried and the customer was very pleased. Such a very musical speaker for what was considered to be a Monitor speaker. I was a big fan of a speaker i was selling at the time , Snell type E.'s.. that would have been an interesting comparison and not so sure lol, but i could not get over how fun those M75's were. If S75's sound anything similar to I would concur . Check M75's out if you can find a pair to listen to? I know i would love to listen to them again. Seemed like back then it was about the music , now everyone uses perfectly recorded audiophile records to compare speakers these days . New speakers or many of them seem to sound more antiseptic by comparison to me. All about measurements rather than musicality or fun and engaging music we enjoy listening to from our favorite artists no matter the era it was produced. To this day one of my favorite vocals and one i used for demo was Elton John's " Love Song" off the Tumbleweed Connection LP.. try that one sometime.
Thanks it’s great to hear these real world stories
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@@stereoreviewx i appreciate what you do. some great older audio products that have stood the test of time.
please can you demo a linn klout - ive heard they are sleeping giants :)
The mid-range driver has to be out of phase you should check for this people try and correct this thinking it's an error it's not the same with the soft dome tweeter should be out of phase with the mid-range the peerless driver can be in phase