Getting the most perfect remake we could ever ask for, for an original Paper Mario game, a style we never thought we’d see again. 30 fps* “This is ridiculous!” Can we have any happy or exciting discussions with Paper Mario, even with the most idle conditions. I just wanna be happy my favorite game of all time is getting remade, and that classic Paper Mario is back :(
Did you know that if you click on settings there’s quality options for 720-1080p + 60fps? Try it with the comparison that I refuse to believe you saw no difference with
@CrashCubeZeroOne OK yeah this one I can get behind, the animations on the GCN version were insanely fluid and I'd love to see the new expressive animations at the same fluidity. But at the end of the day that's such a tiny nitpick and not a deal breaker at all.
I just want to add that while I am in the same camp who wants all games to be 60 fps, I don't recall any part of the original Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door on GameCube specifically requiring that. Sure, it makes the game smoother to play and would be nice to have, but I don't think the game "truly" needs it. Now, if we're talking games like Super Smash Bros and Mario Kart, then yeah 60 fps is a must...but for games that are more "relaxed" like Animal Crossing and Kirby, I think those games are just as good without the smooth framerate.
I can never tell the difference with frame rate. For example I didn’t know that the Bowser’s Inside Story remake was 30 FPS when playing it. Sure 60 FPS would be great but at the end of the day it’s still not a big deal. I’ve never played TTYD so I’m excited for its release.
Doesn't matter. The frauds won't budge anyways. I wish they'd just say "I'm not buying it" and just go away. What else is there to say about the game if you don't want it. Why are they still here in the conversation. Trolls. Do you really think they were planning on getting it anyways. And watch them go pirate the game. They want to see the game fail.
They even brag about how they'll pirate the game. They personally feel like the game isn't worth 60 dollars worth of work, so they're just going to take it. Honey, no matter how you try and rationalize it, that's stealing.
Even when im not really against piracy on case someone is broke and woulnd´t be able to buy the game regardless,pirating a game for that is a lame @ss reason when they say they are just trying to "send a message". What message mf? That we wont want games like TTYD and prefer games like TOK? Good reasoning bro,a real thanks for your contribution.
Yeah, this 30 fps drama is so ridiculous. People are blowing this out of proportion and are honestly just being super ungrateful. Also, completely off topic, but I seriously love your "Sammer's Kingdom With Lyrics" video. It's so damn good. TTYD hype!
It's not a big deal. People who played the original and complain that the battles in the remake will be "easier" because it's at 30 FPS forget that they can use multiple Unsimplifier badges.
Well, I've weighed in on this debate in a lot of different places at this point, so to summarize, I really don't think the 30 FPS is a big deal and really do feel as if a lot of people are blowing it out of proportion or tend to compare the remake to the original in every way they can, then get upset at any minor downgrade that they find. Something I've seen everywhere that particularly gets under my skin, is the notion that Nintendo is just being lazy by not having a 20-year-old game run as good as it used to. The thing is, this is not a 20-year-old game anymore. This is a full remake. Not to mention, making assumptions about the development process, or how easy it would've been for them to make the game run at 60 FPS isn't fair in my opinion. Nobody was there to watch the development process happen. Like it or not, sacrifices have to be made. No game developer ever has made a game that's everything they wish it had been. Sure, sometimes large game companies simply don't want to put in the time and money to make their game truly shine, but everything else about this remake flies right in the face of the idea that the developers were just being lazy. I completely understand being disappointed by the lower framerate. I would obviously prefer if it was 60 FPS, but a lot of people are taking it way too far.
Honestly, they have no case here. Every major point I've seen has a rebuttal. "why can't this Remake of a GameCube game get to 60fps?!" Because they rather obviously invested on the visuals and animations looking STUNNINGLY better, which would be harder for the switch to process at 60. (Especially during the many "crowd" scenes in the game.) "The framerate cut will affect the action commands!" Yes...and that's LITERALLY why they added that new purple toad NPC. He's literally there to teach you the new timings for EVERY MOVE and even superguards. They knew it would affect the gameplay and did something about it...for you, the players. It effects it IN a SENSE, but they rather clearly developed the remake with 30 in mind. "They've made the Remake a downgrade from the original!" Real talk? People saying this one are EXTRA dumb because they clearly have not been paying attention. The game is doing nearly EVERYTHING better than the OG, including addressing the infamous "backtracking." The framerate is pretty much the only "issue" (if it even IS one).
@@questionmarkquestionmarkques I have a question and it is have you seen a PM game that has 30fps and for example The Origami King and had no problems and believe me I played that game like 6 times and never noticed it at all
I'll be playing TTYD for the first time on Switch after admiring the game from afar for several years, and it honestly makes me a bit sad to see that the people who, I'll remind you, WANTED this remake to happen are the ones most determined to tear it down. This isn't Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl, people. It's not a blatant, unapologetic middle finger to the longtime fans; it's a quality remake of an excellent game that deserves to be in the public eye. It's Thousand Year F*cking Door, the game that Nintendo is apparently 'not allowed' to make Mario spin-offs like anymore, coming back from the dead. Can you really not see how amazing that is all by itself? Can you not see the sheer amount of effort that has clearly gone into every single aspect of this remake? This game is the antithesis of modern Pokémon. It's been given time. Effort. Quality control. Love. All the things that the Pokémon Company feels no need to bother with anymore because "It will sell well anyways." And you people are chucking a wobbly because it doesn't run like a PS5 game? Get over yourselves. Jeez. Seriously, I thought the Origami King stans, if anyone, would be the ones trying to tear this remake down. I mean, the lengths that the OK fans will go to just to spite people like Arlo for spite's own sake is almost comical.
We aren't all alike. Many of us are still excited for the game and want the current generation to truly understand why we enjoyed it. We didn't wait for this moment for THIS LONG just for some ungrateful, loudmouthed elitist fanboys to ruin it for everyone at the last moment!
I'm sorry but I found Origami King absolutely sluggish to play through and that's precisely because of the 30fps. When I applied the 60fps patch it felt better to play. Origami King was also not as context sensitive as TTYD was so it's not the fairest of comparisons. They give you so much leeway for action commands in that game, and the reason for that is most likely to account for the low latency caused by the lower frame rate. Bug Fables was still 60fps on the Switch and felt better to play as it was more responsive. Same with Dream Team and the 3DS Mario and Luigi games when the frame rate was downgraded there. Those games felt a lot less kinetic compared to their DS and GBA counterparts. FPS is something I notice when playing games, especially if they pair in with egregious amounts of motion blur to hide the low frame rate, which thankfully this remake does not appear to have opted to do.
People calling the remake a "lazy cash grab" JUST because it's 30 fps are just crazy. I can tell that they put so much effort into it, and they did the best that they could've done with the hardware limitations they had
I put money down on my preorder of this game. I never played the original but after playing PM64, Super Paper Mario and Origami King, I HAD to play this one. I love how it looks like they're taking the artstyle/crafts of Origami king and improving on it ^^
These mfs wouldn't have even noticed its 30 if it wasn't stated to the public. People treat it like its some MMO that they've spent years mastering techniques. Who gives a shit if the super guard timing is 1 frame off bruh 😭
Hell, I've played the original game for over a decade, mastering many aspects of its battle system, and I'm still not complaining about the FPS being lower in the remake. It may take a small amount of time to adjust to, but I know it can be done, so it's simply not worth making a big fuss over.
It may not be a big deal but to have the original run at 60FPS on the gamecube only to have a “Remake” run at 30FPS makes this seem even more like a shameless Cash grab to revamp old titles so Nintendo can make more money oppose to offering these on a digital storefront i.e - the E-Shop
I don't mind 30fps. But I do mind the censorship. Goombella being catcalled and standing up for herself is part of her character. Bad guys should be portrayed as bad, and censorship is unfortunate. Vivian being trans was already censored in the original, and the sewer Goombas being creeps in dialogue removed is censorship on top of censorship. Just rate the game E10 or T if need be.
VIVIAN BEING TRANS ISNT CENSORED LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO As for the goombas? Idk it kinda sucks but the new dialogue’s pretty funny so like… take it or leave it with how minor it is
I bet the people complaining about this wouldn't even get the game if it ran at a million FPS and had 37 extra chapters added to it. The outrage is fake. Oh, you mean this game will be at the same frame rate as every other turn based Paper Mario that has ever existed and was none the worse off for it? Goodness gracious!
Technically TTYD ran at 60fps, hence the disappointment people have. Otherwise, you're right about the outrage-baiters. If not for 30fps, it will be for "censorship". If neither, they'll find something else to complain about.
If none of those where "problems" they would complain about the mu...oh wait, you can toggle between the og music, so then what could they complain about?@@aaronTGP_3756
If they don't want the game, that's fine. The problem is, they're spreading the negativity like a cancer. Just like the wildest sections of the Origami King critics (criticism was quite valid and justified, but to call it garbage was way overblown).
I hate how the quality of a game is purely dictated by frame rates and graphics. Undertale? Old classics like ocarina of time? Sure these qualities are important, but it’s not the end all be all nor should it be seen as such
ANOTHER person who has an actual brain too well damn and it is true 30fps is somehow unnoticeable and I know too I played PMTOK about 6 times and never noticed any frame drops at all so I am confident in this game too
Plus, calling it a 20-year-old game is simply not accurate. Yes, it is a remake based on a 20-year-old game, but that doesn't mean it itself is a 20-year-old game. Just looking at it, you can see that the visuals have been completely revamped. There's entirely new lightning, reflection, and all sorts of other things that are meant to greatly enhance the visuals. The idea that it should be able to run just as well as the original without issue is very much a misconception about how game development works. Some sacrifices pretty much always have to be made along the way. Nobody was there to see what challenges the developers faced and given all the heart and care that's going into every other aspect of the remake, I'm certain that the developers are doing their absolute best. Unfortunately, you just can't have everything.
@@bruxtle Well you do still appear to have the notion that because the original is a 20-year-old game that a full brand-new remake of it not having as high of a frame rate is unacceptable or that the developers are lazy, when that's simply just not how it works. Besides, with how many people are constantly complaining that a 20-year-old game is running worse than it used to, can you blame me for not noticing that you didn't technically say exactly those words? You need to chill and stop throwing insults around for no reason, dude.
How come there was never an outcry for frame rates in the Bowser's Inside Story remake, but this one gets such strong nitpicks that it's actively risking Paper Mario 4's life!?
Actually I see a lot of people act like BIS DX is a bad remake because of the framerate. I'll still defend that game, it didn't deserve the fate it got.
@@fawfulthegreat64 Tell me about it. It also really gets on my nerves when people point to its abysmal sales numbers as a justification for why it sucks. Like, guys, sales don't always accurately represent the quality of a game. There are many, many, reasons why it sold poorly that have absolutely nothing to do with quality of the remake itself.
Finally someone said it!. 30fps vs 60fps is not what we should be worried about. The real fps problem we need to pray to not happen are constant frame drops. Guys don't be Francis.
I'm going to repeat the comment I made to the other person. In TTYD you need precision for the superguard, and although the game is programmed to detect input through time or frames, it is still visually bad for something that requires precision, that's the problem. I have seen many youtubers defending 30 fps in the same way, but none of them mention what really matters.
If this was a port of TTYD then you'd might have a point there, but the remake isn't running off the same engine as the GC one, thus the timing is different and there's a new mode that allows you to practice perfect frame timing in combat in this version of the game.
@@battlesofparadise but the point is that it makes the gameplay worse, specifically the battles, everything else will be the same, but the combat system of this game is very important in the fame it has, I understand that it is prettier and all, but this affects the combats.
@@lefriki123I'm gonna be real with you, this isn't the type of game where inputs matter nearly as much as fighting games or racing games. The inputs are actually even more lenient than the original game because superguards have a 2/30 frame window and the original is 3/60, making it basically 4/60. But regardless, this is a beginner's RPG. It really isn't something to cry over, especially if you're capable of adapting to it.
It's not even just super guarding to be honest. 60fps also results in smoother animations which help complement the pop up book art style of the original game, probably why the developers created the game with 60fps in mind in the first place. The 60fps resulted in very smooth and springy animations for its characters. Input also feels more responsive when moving around at higher fps, which all adds up to a more satisfying gameplay experience. Sure, 30fps is fine, I guess, but it is THE major advantage that the original has over the new version, and once the novelty of new visuals wears off, I don't see myself replaying the remake because of it.
They changed many of the attack hints in the remake of Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga from the original. Do you know how much that threw me off? Still, did I hate the remake? No, I re-adjusted; and so will people playing this remake who have played the original.
For those of you going off on it because of 30fps; Timed button inputs are the last thing left from OG paper marios battle system- They ARE in the origami king and they feel responsive and satisfying- If there is *ONE* thing across the series these people know how to do well... its *that mechanic* specifically. Anybody who has played all the paper mario games could tell you that input delay response is always satisfying. Thats why people arent taking this stupid 30fps bait over an issue we already knew wasn't one. 🎉😂
I've played Origami King. Nothing about that system is responsive and satisfying. They give you such a wide window for the action commands its almost impossible to fail them. That was one of the major criticisms of the game, its battle system. Had a better time when installing the 60fps patch because the game at least felt smooth to play at that point.
What about the og paper mario? Is that game also unresponsive? Cuz i can tell you, that would be a bullshit statement, why are we having a problem now of all times, it changes next to nothing, the timings may be slightly changed but thats it, and if it "hurts your eyes" then get some damn glasses, weak eyes@@HardCorePoration
@@johnmehlman5195 cool I'm glad you had no problems with Origami King, but I certainly did. As for the original game my only experience with that has been through emulation through Project 64 so I can't give any fair opinion on that other then yes, it's not as responsive as TTYD but that could be due to either input lag introduced by the emulator or a quirk of the original game for all I know. At the moment I'm waiting for the decompilation project to provide a proper port as I'm not touching Nintendo's terrible Switch Online emulator at all, especially from what I hear Paper Mario runs poorly on it. I guess I could say the same about you not being able to see above 30fps? Maybe you need glasses yourself?
Shouldn't the game running at a solid 30fps be the dealbreaker? There are plenty of games on the system that run at 30 that people have no problem with( Luigi's Mansion 3, Animal Crossing New Horizons, Astral Chain, Kirby's Dream buffet and etc.)
Most of the people who're saying these things consist of trolls and PC losers who jump in the fray just to cry about TTYD remake, because they heard that the remake isn't 60 fps like the original who weren't going to buy the game in the first place.
It's not censoring for crying out loud, it's just a very minor script changes, the game STILL holds the same vibe from the og, so stop pretending this is "censorship" or that 30 FPS will ruin the game, the game is still gonna be amazing
@@kingdomheartsgamer8771 if he is "woke" then you are mentally ill for making a fuss cuz you want cat calling in a game lol like i get it's the the ttyd you grew up with but get over it it's not impacting the story in any meaningful way it's a scene you probably mash through every time you play the game after the first run(be honest), i don't understand why people are willing to die on such a small hill one that again most people skip the dialog of after the initial playthrough since they are just wanting to get through the prologue.
I'm unsure if you are stupid and can't spell or had a seizure, another possibility is you are a child that shouldn't be on the internet without adult supervision.
@@zombiegod34 This a-head is all over the comments section of the overview trailer on Nintendo of America's channel, being the most obnoxious troll he can possibly be. He jeers about the frame rate, about that it's a remake at full price (something Nintendo has ALWAYS done), about that some dialogue is changed (seemingly for censorship reasons) and calling Nintendo woke for it, and about the whole "removing their IPs from Garry's Mod" thing. He bullies fans looking forward to it, says paying for it is morally wrong, says pirating it is morally right, says the game will fail, says Paper Mario was NEVER good, says Nintendo is the worst company in the world, says they're going to and NEED to go out of business, says they'll be bought by Microsoft, and says that they'll become third-party. TL; DR - He's everything you could hate in a troll (obnoxious, petty, hypocritical, inconsistent with what he says, etc.) and is without a doubt the most toxic hater of this game I've come across so far.
"I love to complain about games I haven't played on the internet!"
--Francis, Super Paper Mario
Good reference. These baiters are exactly like that dork. Without any of the "loser's charm", either.
I AM PLAYING THIS GAME NO MATTER WHAT 👁🫦👁👌🏼❤️
I just don't get how 30fps is such a dealbreaker for some people, especially Nintendo fans lol
Agreed, plus I rather have a consistent 30 fps, than a 60 that may dip. This is a button timing RPG, it’s gotta stay consistent and not dip at all
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So very sad and depressingly true
Getting the most perfect remake we could ever ask for, for an original Paper Mario game, a style we never thought we’d see again.
30 fps*
“This is ridiculous!”
Can we have any happy or exciting discussions with Paper Mario, even with the most idle conditions. I just wanna be happy my favorite game of all time is getting remade, and that classic Paper Mario is back :(
Bro I didn’t even notice the difference if you put them side by side
Did you know that if you click on settings there’s quality options for 720-1080p + 60fps? Try it with the comparison that I refuse to believe you saw no difference with
The characters don’t even have enough motion to see the difference between 30 and 60 fps- some people are just nuts lmao
They do. It is noticeable how the remake has choppier animation. Still dumb to not buy the game because of the framerate.
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Dang good eye, I can’t tell 🤷♂️
@CrashCubeZeroOne OK yeah this one I can get behind, the animations on the GCN version were insanely fluid and I'd love to see the new expressive animations at the same fluidity. But at the end of the day that's such a tiny nitpick and not a deal breaker at all.
@@fawfulthegreat64 yeah, absolutely
I just want to add that while I am in the same camp who wants all games to be 60 fps, I don't recall any part of the original Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door on GameCube specifically requiring that. Sure, it makes the game smoother to play and would be nice to have, but I don't think the game "truly" needs it.
Now, if we're talking games like Super Smash Bros and Mario Kart, then yeah 60 fps is a must...but for games that are more "relaxed" like Animal Crossing and Kirby, I think those games are just as good without the smooth framerate.
It all depends. Heck, I've seen some FPS games ruin at 30 and they still play decently.
I can never tell the difference with frame rate. For example I didn’t know that the Bowser’s Inside Story remake was 30 FPS when playing it.
Sure 60 FPS would be great but at the end of the day it’s still not a big deal. I’ve never played TTYD so I’m excited for its release.
Frame rates are more noticeable when just watching over just playing (even if you still see the game running)
The fact that we are even getting a remake of this game is a miracle and fans want to complain about fps
Doesn't matter. The frauds won't budge anyways. I wish they'd just say "I'm not buying it" and just go away. What else is there to say about the game if you don't want it. Why are they still here in the conversation. Trolls. Do you really think they were planning on getting it anyways. And watch them go pirate the game. They want to see the game fail.
They even brag about how they'll pirate the game. They personally feel like the game isn't worth 60 dollars worth of work, so they're just going to take it. Honey, no matter how you try and rationalize it, that's stealing.
Even when im not really against piracy on case someone is broke and woulnd´t be able to buy the game regardless,pirating a game for that is a lame @ss reason when they say they are just trying to "send a message". What message mf? That we wont want games like TTYD and prefer games like TOK? Good reasoning bro,a real thanks for your contribution.
If those trolls see the game fail then they are gonna pay by seeing another Sticker Star game be born and they better not start crying either
Yeah, this 30 fps drama is so ridiculous. People are blowing this out of proportion and are honestly just being super ungrateful. Also, completely off topic, but I seriously love your "Sammer's Kingdom With Lyrics" video. It's so damn good. TTYD hype!
It's not a big deal. People who played the original and complain that the battles in the remake will be "easier" because it's at 30 FPS forget that they can use multiple Unsimplifier badges.
Xir voice is so reaffirming
LMAO
Well, I've weighed in on this debate in a lot of different places at this point, so to summarize, I really don't think the 30 FPS is a big deal and really do feel as if a lot of people are blowing it out of proportion or tend to compare the remake to the original in every way they can, then get upset at any minor downgrade that they find.
Something I've seen everywhere that particularly gets under my skin, is the notion that Nintendo is just being lazy by not having a 20-year-old game run as good as it used to. The thing is, this is not a 20-year-old game anymore. This is a full remake. Not to mention, making assumptions about the development process, or how easy it would've been for them to make the game run at 60 FPS isn't fair in my opinion. Nobody was there to watch the development process happen. Like it or not, sacrifices have to be made. No game developer ever has made a game that's everything they wish it had been. Sure, sometimes large game companies simply don't want to put in the time and money to make their game truly shine, but everything else about this remake flies right in the face of the idea that the developers were just being lazy.
I completely understand being disappointed by the lower framerate. I would obviously prefer if it was 60 FPS, but a lot of people are taking it way too far.
Honestly, they have no case here. Every major point I've seen has a rebuttal.
"why can't this Remake of a GameCube game get to 60fps?!"
Because they rather obviously invested on the visuals and animations looking STUNNINGLY better, which would be harder for the switch to process at 60. (Especially during the many "crowd" scenes in the game.)
"The framerate cut will affect the action commands!"
Yes...and that's LITERALLY why they added that new purple toad NPC. He's literally there to teach you the new timings for EVERY MOVE and even superguards. They knew it would affect the gameplay and did something about it...for you, the players. It effects it IN a SENSE, but they rather clearly developed the remake with 30 in mind.
"They've made the Remake a downgrade from the original!"
Real talk? People saying this one are EXTRA dumb because they clearly have not been paying attention. The game is doing nearly EVERYTHING better than the OG, including addressing the infamous "backtracking." The framerate is pretty much the only "issue" (if it even IS one).
this could also be a selling point for a potential switch 2 if it could get ttyd (and other nintendo games) in 60fps
That's not a selling point, fps is meaningless outside of fighting games
@@arzfan29 dude no. im a nintendo fan and even i admit its nicer to have more fps
you dont need inputs as a reason, 60 just feels nicer
@@questionmarkquestionmarkques I have a question and it is have you seen a PM game that has 30fps and for example The Origami King and had no problems and believe me I played that game like 6 times and never noticed it at all
I'll be playing TTYD for the first time on Switch after admiring the game from afar for several years, and it honestly makes me a bit sad to see that the people who, I'll remind you, WANTED this remake to happen are the ones most determined to tear it down.
This isn't Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl, people. It's not a blatant, unapologetic middle finger to the longtime fans; it's a quality remake of an excellent game that deserves to be in the public eye. It's Thousand Year F*cking Door, the game that Nintendo is apparently 'not allowed' to make Mario spin-offs like anymore, coming back from the dead. Can you really not see how amazing that is all by itself? Can you not see the sheer amount of effort that has clearly gone into every single aspect of this remake?
This game is the antithesis of modern Pokémon. It's been given time. Effort. Quality control. Love. All the things that the Pokémon Company feels no need to bother with anymore because "It will sell well anyways." And you people are chucking a wobbly because it doesn't run like a PS5 game? Get over yourselves. Jeez.
Seriously, I thought the Origami King stans, if anyone, would be the ones trying to tear this remake down. I mean, the lengths that the OK fans will go to just to spite people like Arlo for spite's own sake is almost comical.
Thank you!!! I hope TTYD remake sells well. All this drama is just absolutely ridiculous, hope you enjoy the game once it comes out!
We aren't all alike. Many of us are still excited for the game and want the current generation to truly understand why we enjoyed it. We didn't wait for this moment for THIS LONG just for some ungrateful, loudmouthed elitist fanboys to ruin it for everyone at the last moment!
I'm sorry but I found Origami King absolutely sluggish to play through and that's precisely because of the 30fps. When I applied the 60fps patch it felt better to play. Origami King was also not as context sensitive as TTYD was so it's not the fairest of comparisons. They give you so much leeway for action commands in that game, and the reason for that is most likely to account for the low latency caused by the lower frame rate.
Bug Fables was still 60fps on the Switch and felt better to play as it was more responsive. Same with Dream Team and the 3DS Mario and Luigi games when the frame rate was downgraded there. Those games felt a lot less kinetic compared to their DS and GBA counterparts. FPS is something I notice when playing games, especially if they pair in with egregious amounts of motion blur to hide the low frame rate, which thankfully this remake does not appear to have opted to do.
the slowdowns/skipping in the gamecube version bothered me even back then when it was a brand-new game
People calling the remake a "lazy cash grab" JUST because it's 30 fps are just crazy. I can tell that they put so much effort into it, and they did the best that they could've done with the hardware limitations they had
I put money down on my preorder of this game. I never played the original but after playing PM64, Super Paper Mario and Origami King, I HAD to play this one.
I love how it looks like they're taking the artstyle/crafts of Origami king and improving on it ^^
These mfs wouldn't have even noticed its 30 if it wasn't stated to the public. People treat it like its some MMO that they've spent years mastering techniques. Who gives a shit if the super guard timing is 1 frame off bruh 😭
Hell, I've played the original game for over a decade, mastering many aspects of its battle system, and I'm still not complaining about the FPS being lower in the remake. It may take a small amount of time to adjust to, but I know it can be done, so it's simply not worth making a big fuss over.
It may not be a big deal but to have the original run at 60FPS on the gamecube only to have a “Remake” run at 30FPS makes this seem even more like a shameless Cash grab to revamp old titles so Nintendo can make more money oppose to offering these on a digital storefront i.e - the E-Shop
Offering the og would be considered a cashgrab hy other people so you cant really win in this scenario
To add to this, if you really need 60fps you can always buy the remake and dump the cart onto an emulator
I don't mind 30fps. But I do mind the censorship. Goombella being catcalled and standing up for herself is part of her character. Bad guys should be portrayed as bad, and censorship is unfortunate. Vivian being trans was already censored in the original, and the sewer Goombas being creeps in dialogue removed is censorship on top of censorship. Just rate the game E10 or T if need be.
VIVIAN BEING TRANS ISNT CENSORED LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO
As for the goombas? Idk it kinda sucks but the new dialogue’s pretty funny so like… take it or leave it with how minor it is
I bet the people complaining about this wouldn't even get the game if it ran at a million FPS and had 37 extra chapters added to it. The outrage is fake. Oh, you mean this game will be at the same frame rate as every other turn based Paper Mario that has ever existed and was none the worse off for it? Goodness gracious!
Technically TTYD ran at 60fps, hence the disappointment people have. Otherwise, you're right about the outrage-baiters. If not for 30fps, it will be for "censorship". If neither, they'll find something else to complain about.
If none of those where "problems" they would complain about the mu...oh wait, you can toggle between the og music, so then what could they complain about?@@aaronTGP_3756
If they don't want the game, that's fine. The problem is, they're spreading the negativity like a cancer. Just like the wildest sections of the Origami King critics (criticism was quite valid and justified, but to call it garbage was way overblown).
I hate how the quality of a game is purely dictated by frame rates and graphics. Undertale? Old classics like ocarina of time? Sure these qualities are important, but it’s not the end all be all nor should it be seen as such
I really dont give a s**t about fps in a game unless the game is slow 7 fps
ANOTHER person who has an actual brain too well damn and it is true 30fps is somehow unnoticeable and I know too I played PMTOK about 6 times and never noticed any frame drops at all so I am confident in this game too
I'm just saying that a remake of a 20 year old video game should be able to at least MATCH the original framerate, is that so crazy?
We arent saying that, we are saying that canceling preorders just because of this one teensy tiny thing is obsurd
Plus, calling it a 20-year-old game is simply not accurate. Yes, it is a remake based on a 20-year-old game, but that doesn't mean it itself is a 20-year-old game. Just looking at it, you can see that the visuals have been completely revamped. There's entirely new lightning, reflection, and all sorts of other things that are meant to greatly enhance the visuals. The idea that it should be able to run just as well as the original without issue is very much a misconception about how game development works. Some sacrifices pretty much always have to be made along the way. Nobody was there to see what challenges the developers faced and given all the heart and care that's going into every other aspect of the remake, I'm certain that the developers are doing their absolute best. Unfortunately, you just can't have everything.
@@Miccat87 I didn't call the remake a 20 year old game? Do you lack basic reading comprehension?
@@johnmehlman5195 Not to mention bullying other people who AREN'T bothered by it.
@@bruxtle Well you do still appear to have the notion that because the original is a 20-year-old game that a full brand-new remake of it not having as high of a frame rate is unacceptable or that the developers are lazy, when that's simply just not how it works.
Besides, with how many people are constantly complaining that a 20-year-old game is running worse than it used to, can you blame me for not noticing that you didn't technically say exactly those words? You need to chill and stop throwing insults around for no reason, dude.
How come there was never an outcry for frame rates in the Bowser's Inside Story remake, but this one gets such strong nitpicks that it's actively risking Paper Mario 4's life!?
Actually I see a lot of people act like BIS DX is a bad remake because of the framerate. I'll still defend that game, it didn't deserve the fate it got.
@@fawfulthegreat64 Tell me about it.
It also really gets on my nerves when people point to its abysmal sales numbers as a justification for why it sucks. Like, guys, sales don't always accurately represent the quality of a game. There are many, many, reasons why it sold poorly that have absolutely nothing to do with quality of the remake itself.
Finally someone said it!. 30fps vs 60fps is not what we should be worried about. The real fps problem we need to pray to not happen are constant frame drops. Guys don't be Francis.
I'm going to repeat the comment I made to the other person. In TTYD you need precision for the superguard, and although the game is programmed to detect input through time or frames, it is still visually bad for something that requires precision, that's the problem. I have seen many youtubers defending 30 fps in the same way, but none of them mention what really matters.
If this was a port of TTYD then you'd might have a point there, but the remake isn't running off the same engine as the GC one, thus the timing is different and there's a new mode that allows you to practice perfect frame timing in combat in this version of the game.
@@battlesofparadise but the point is that it makes the gameplay worse, specifically the battles, everything else will be the same, but the combat system of this game is very important in the fame it has, I understand that it is prettier and all, but this affects the combats.
@@lefriki123I'm gonna be real with you, this isn't the type of game where inputs matter nearly as much as fighting games or racing games. The inputs are actually even more lenient than the original game because superguards have a 2/30 frame window and the original is 3/60, making it basically 4/60. But regardless, this is a beginner's RPG. It really isn't something to cry over, especially if you're capable of adapting to it.
It's not even just super guarding to be honest. 60fps also results in smoother animations which help complement the pop up book art style of the original game, probably why the developers created the game with 60fps in mind in the first place. The 60fps resulted in very smooth and springy animations for its characters. Input also feels more responsive when moving around at higher fps, which all adds up to a more satisfying gameplay experience. Sure, 30fps is fine, I guess, but it is THE major advantage that the original has over the new version, and once the novelty of new visuals wears off, I don't see myself replaying the remake because of it.
They changed many of the attack hints in the remake of Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga from the original. Do you know how much that threw me off? Still, did I hate the remake? No, I re-adjusted; and so will people playing this remake who have played the original.
For those of you going off on it because of 30fps;
Timed button inputs are the last thing left from OG paper marios battle system-
They ARE in the origami king and they feel responsive and satisfying-
If there is *ONE* thing across the series these people know how to do well... its *that mechanic* specifically.
Anybody who has played all the paper mario games could tell you that input delay response is always satisfying.
Thats why people arent taking this stupid 30fps bait over an issue we already knew wasn't one. 🎉😂
I've played Origami King. Nothing about that system is responsive and satisfying. They give you such a wide window for the action commands its almost impossible to fail them. That was one of the major criticisms of the game, its battle system. Had a better time when installing the 60fps patch because the game at least felt smooth to play at that point.
What about the og paper mario? Is that game also unresponsive? Cuz i can tell you, that would be a bullshit statement, why are we having a problem now of all times, it changes next to nothing, the timings may be slightly changed but thats it, and if it "hurts your eyes" then get some damn glasses, weak eyes@@HardCorePoration
@@johnmehlman5195 cool I'm glad you had no problems with Origami King, but I certainly did. As for the original game my only experience with that has been through emulation through Project 64 so I can't give any fair opinion on that other then yes, it's not as responsive as TTYD but that could be due to either input lag introduced by the emulator or a quirk of the original game for all I know. At the moment I'm waiting for the decompilation project to provide a proper port as I'm not touching Nintendo's terrible Switch Online emulator at all, especially from what I hear Paper Mario runs poorly on it.
I guess I could say the same about you not being able to see above 30fps? Maybe you need glasses yourself?
Shouldn't the game running at a solid 30fps be the dealbreaker? There are plenty of games on the system that run at 30 that people have no problem with( Luigi's Mansion 3, Animal Crossing New Horizons, Astral Chain, Kirby's Dream buffet and etc.)
I hope Nintendo will patch the game to 1440p and 60fps for the Switch 2! Will that happen? Who knows, but that would be amazing!
Most of the people who're saying these things consist of trolls and PC losers who jump in the fray just to cry about TTYD remake,
because they heard that the remake isn't 60 fps like the original who weren't going to buy the game in the first place.
Anyone that cares about 60 fps needs to touch grass, the difference is something no one will notice unless they're tryharding a fighting game
nintendo censor cat talking hitting on lady goomba in the begining
It's not censoring for crying out loud, it's just a very minor script changes, the game STILL holds the same vibe from the og, so stop pretending this is "censorship" or that 30 FPS will ruin the game, the game is still gonna be amazing
@@andrewvanover9747 it's still censorship dip s h I t we have to wake up or woke people will destroy our games
@@andrewvanover9747 woke people gonna censored lollipop remasterd
@@kingdomheartsgamer8771 if he is "woke" then you are mentally ill for making a fuss cuz you want cat calling in a game lol like i get it's the the ttyd you grew up with but get over it it's not impacting the story in any meaningful way it's a scene you probably mash through every time you play the game after the first run(be honest), i don't understand why people are willing to die on such a small hill one that again most people skip the dialog of after the initial playthrough since they are just wanting to get through the prologue.
@@zombiegod34 ok enjoy your censorship game along side with lolipop chainsaw remaster censored and Stella blade Censored
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Shitendo should not be alloeed to get aeay with selling a DOWNGRADED remake of a 20 yesr old game for full price
I'm unsure if you are stupid and can't spell or had a seizure, another possibility is you are a child that shouldn't be on the internet without adult supervision.
@@zombiegod34 This a-head is all over the comments section of the overview trailer on Nintendo of America's channel, being the most obnoxious troll he can possibly be. He jeers about the frame rate, about that it's a remake at full price (something Nintendo has ALWAYS done), about that some dialogue is changed (seemingly for censorship reasons) and calling Nintendo woke for it, and about the whole "removing their IPs from Garry's Mod" thing.
He bullies fans looking forward to it, says paying for it is morally wrong, says pirating it is morally right, says the game will fail, says Paper Mario was NEVER good, says Nintendo is the worst company in the world, says they're going to and NEED to go out of business, says they'll be bought by Microsoft, and says that they'll become third-party.
TL; DR - He's everything you could hate in a troll (obnoxious, petty, hypocritical, inconsistent with what he says, etc.) and is without a doubt the most toxic hater of this game I've come across so far.
@@videogollumer ty for the insight awnsered my question for sure mentally ill it is