Honda: Earth Dreams 3.5 GDI Replacing Fuel Injectors
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video I bring you along as I swap out the GDI fuel injectors on a 2017 Honda Pilot that has some serious fuel trim issues. It has been setting rich codes for both banks as well as imbalance codes. The customer is finally ready to fix it so let's get after it. -Enjoy!
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Eric O you are not only one of the most knowledgeable Master Mechanic/Technicians in America but more importantly one of the best dads too - as evidenced by you & Mrs O's extremely intelligent well behaved & personable children!! Y'all are doing it all the right way Brother. Plus you have a mega successful family oriented you tube channel. I know it takes sacrifice on both of your's parts to produce these videos - and i sure appreciate what i have learned & how i have been inspired over the years. Thank you.
I love when service data says "remove and discard". I did a steering rack on a Traverse yesterday and service data says to discard the gigantic subframe bolts, after 1 use they are ruined. Funny thing is, no dealers stock the bolts and we all know every single traverse has had the subframe bolts removed to do timing chains.
Gold! Typical GM move sounds like to me! Never throw out parts even if the data tells ya, only thing I like GM is to have folks who fix their junk is job security for life😂
"An old saying my me'ma tought me!"
If they're torque-to-yield bolts, reuse is problematic because the bolts have been stretched when installed and can break if reused.
They call that torque to fail I guess.
@@buckhorncortez The specifc bolts he mentioned...I have yet to see a degree angle as part of the torque spec so odds are preety likely they are not torque to yeild. Most GM FWD/AWD subframe bolts as far back as the A-body have been in excess of 10mmthread diameter. I do not want to be the guy who has to "yield" those bolts and the sad body nuts would likely never survive it anyway.
@@michaelkrenzer3296 Good point. Torque to yield bolts generally have a skinnier shank section which is the site of controlled plastic deformation. The degree torque step is the biggest hint at a torque to yield. I think the discarding is based on liability principle. I have always reused brake caliper slide pin bolts despite the Mercedes and Toyota FSM of my cars calling for replacement. If the fastener is not corroded, the threads look intact, not galled, not pulled at an angle from torquing, and the head to shank area does not look to be twisted or stretched, I reuse them. I do however, A L W A Y S clean the factory Loctite off the bolts completely, spray them off with brake cleaner as well as the bolt holes, and put blue Loctite back on them. If the principle is to replace the bolts due to the possibility of the tech not putting loctite back on them (nearly every factory replacement brake bolts I have seen has pre-applied Loctite), I am in the clear. Very polarizing decision for some reason. My boss hated it. "Never Loctite a brake part bolt!!! Stupid!" I always quipped back "Do you enjoy the idea of your brake caliper or bracket flopping around damaging the rim, hub, and possibly killing you? What's the matter with you? I'd rather need to torch every single one of these future comebacks than ship a car with no Loctite. I sure as hell ain't putting antiseize on them so don't even ask. THAT is stupid." TL;DR if it has no stretch shank section and it isn't aluminum and it has no degree torque step in the FSM, clean it off thoroughly and reuse it with new Loctite. No problems in my conscious or mind about doing that. 👍 Have and will do it on my personal vehicles and the vehicles of my loved ones.
We’re so used to being entertained by Eric that sometimes I think we forget how useful these can be for folks looking for a DIY video. To that end, thanks for FF’ing through the bolt removals.
We do several of these a week at the Honda dealer... p219A or p219B code is the dead give away. They sell them as a kit with new injectors, fuel pipe, and gaskets. Absolute gravy job!! 🤤🤤
I hate how a reliable engine design gets handicapped by modern emissions control devices. The injectors on my 2000 TL are still all original and only $60 if I ever need to replace 1
He missed the line in service data about the joint fuel pipe being single time use! I've gotten the pattern down to about an hour for these, gravy job indeed!
Edit: Correction, he did eventually find the line about replacing the joint pipe. Nice.
@@nmbmtl yep can get these done in about 45 mins. Dont even know how many ive done at this point. Those fuel pipes can be reused at least once even though they say not to. Havent changed on quite a few as being a TBA part and havent had issues
@@Darksyne and a 10 minute job
@@Darksyne fuel injectors aren’t emissions equipment. From the comments it seems like it’s a failure prone part.
As a Honda tech whos done this same exact job mucho amount of times, I gotta say you kicked ass and i loved this video.
As i watched i wanted to give you some tips, my trick to remove that upper intake is loosen those 3 ten mils on the computer, as opposed to popping off the cover, gives u just that little amount of clearance, trust me u can get a wrench in there between that bracket. Also, no need to try an unplug the injectors before you yank the fuel rail off, or unplug the high pressure pump. and YES honda does want you to replace that joint pipe in conjunction, if the jobs under warranty the parts kit will come with a new pipe, however when im doing it customer pay, all the customer usually buys is just the injectors. Your the first ive ever seen install them into the rail them slip that as an assembly back into the head, hell i might try that myself next time. i usually silicone s[ray the outside of the injectors, slip them into the head, grease that o ring on the outside of them, and then install the pipe on top of them.
Nice job
That is a nightmare job just to replace injectors. How many hours is the job slated for in the books?
@@TheFrenchPug compared to other engines from other makes Honda’s direct injected V6 seems to be a cake walk. Just take your time to do it.
@@MrSamPhoenix Well, my daughter has a new Honda Pilot and compared to my BMW doing that injector job was a much deeper dive. But I'm glad to hear it's not as bad as it looked to me.
@@TheFrenchPug Warranty (10years/150,000mi for this) says 3 hours including a software update for the PGM-FI and 9 speed transmission if so equipped.
@@bornwestusa oh wow. Maybe not a DIY?
Honda made the Injector replacement on that engine pain free. Thanks for showing us Eric.
When putting an intake back on blind holes I place a drinking straw over the stud to help locate the position. Works for me.
Same w toliet bolts, etc..
@@harrylumsdon6773 toilet flange bolts should be protruding out of the closest flange. You shouldn’t need a straw to locate them. Just use your hands and knees to carry the weight and inch over till one side is there and the other will be close.
HONDA's spring retention as you seat the rail is brilliant. The fact we think it's brilliant engineering means there's room to improve.
My favorite part is when you "test" us. Also, much appreciated that you don't make us watch you install every single bolt, but you do make sure to mention steps you take! That makes for a better experience and video!
Ahh, my South Main "fix" is complete and I can continue with my day - Thanks Eric O!
Don’t know about the rest of you but these are the kind of videos I love to watch. 45 minutes to an hour of actual wrenching. That’s why I also follow Make it Kustom. Keep ‘‘em coming Eric.
I agree. I love the Eric O long videos.
I remember the criss cross band. This kid at school sang one of their songs during a singing contest in middle school. He did pretty well actually.
Eric you make it seem like anyone can learn from your wisdom! I can say i have learned and tried alot of different fixes on my car, its great to hear you explain and show even the small stuff. I appreciate your videos and your time that it takes to do them, i know i speak for alot of people with that comment. Keep doing you and we all learn a thing or two, maybe even some new words...lol thanks again and tell Mrs O happy Mother's day for me. Love ya'll from AZ ❤👍😁👏🌞
Honda tech here. We do these all the time. There are warranty extensions/bulletins for these. It happens on the 1.5T accord and CR-V as well. Any misfire code or rich code. Check ST fuel trim. If it’s rich - Injectors! Very rarely it can also end up as a lean condition but I’ve only seen it maybe 2 times.
Thanks Mr O for taking the time to do what you do , sure makes my day . only the best for the best
Thanks for showing us how to do it right and your running commentary that is both entertaining and informative at the same time. You and the family have a great day!
Honda extended the warranty for fuel injectores on several years of Pilots to 10 years or 150,000 miles. Worth checking out.
I was going to mention this as well. Our 2018 Odyssey and 2019 Ridgeline received the extension. Had the work performed on the Odyssey due to issues. They should be able to submit for reimbursement from the customer pay, if this VIN qualifies. I'd trust Eric over our local dealer.
Most are under a warranty extension 10 years from the in service date up to 150000 miles we do piles and piles of these. Eric I love your channel watching for years thank you for the great content.
"I've been wrong before" truer words seldom spoken ! Good one Eric.
Great video Mr O! I’ve learned so much from watching your channel. Just this week I was able to program a new Honda key for a 2012 CRV using the Autel MK908. I learned this from the time you programmed 4 or 5 new keys for a Honda Minivan. (Another great video!). Thanks for all you do!
Nice job, Eric. This is a classic SMA video - diagnosis and then taking us along on the repair. Only thing missing were the sections where you used classic Profane English (the only version I know) to get the true feel of working on today's overly complicated vehicles.
Kriss Kross Jump, thats a proper golden oldie eric... great video as always.
South Main Auto Repair.. That's a common problem with Honda. Nice job as always Eric. Thanks for sharing it.
Eric, I work at a Honda dealer and can say, without a doubt your diagnosis was on point. Any direct injected 3.5 that comes into the bay with p0300 class codes, bank lean or rich codes, or catalyst efficiency codes is caused by fuel injector(s). Honda has a service kit, as per the a certain service bulletin publish I know by heart, that comes with all injectors, seals and gaskets, high pressure tube, and the lubricant that is used on the coupling ends of the high pressure line (comes in a small syringe) to ensure leak-proof connection. Typical, I replace at least 3 sets of injectors in a months time, it is a common issue, it seems to occur when the injectors have 50 to 60k miles on them. Just a tip, when I do them, I install the injector into the heads first then install the rails on them. That way, I can twist them slightly back and forth and actually feel the injectors slip into their happy place. Also, that EVAP purge sensor on the side of the intake, I just remove the two 8mm bolts holding it to the intake and remove the whole thing with the hose and electrical connector still hooked up. Nice job.
I have an Accord 4 cylinder with DI, 200,000 miles no issues...with anything,
@@danr1920 Yes, the problem for some reason is not as common on the 4 cylinders. Actually, I personally have never had to replace the injectors on a 4 cyl, but that is not to say no has. It is the 3.5 V6's mainly and even most of them do go beyond 60k miles with no issues. I suspect the self-diagnostic look-up tables programmed in the 4cyl. model have a wider range of tolerance before it commands the MIL to come on. I might be totally wrong but that is my guess.
I have a 2019 Honda Ridgeline with 42,000mi and I have to get my injectors replaced bcuz I'm getting the "Emission System Problem" light intermittently. Sucks I have to do this and haven't even paid it off yet. :(
The old “poke n hope” been there many times 🤣
about as common as the " classic reach around "
Its interesting seeing honda's evolution of the v6 engine. I have 07 v6. Its like the same book with a different story
I sure wish they would do away w. The J35 and make something new
Yeah a metal intake. Metal seems more durable to me. Even my beloved Honda is not a good as they used to be.
One of the best videos I've found on how to replace the injectors on the earth dream
woke up at 5:30 am this morning, west coast time: have my coffee and I am watching this video. good job boss-good morning Mrs. O and the LORD bless you and yours... amen.
Yep , coffee and SMA video .
Really nice job, well done, i would like to hope my car gets treated as well as you do by others, but I suspect they are not as conscientious.
Thanks for the video.
Every tech does it 100% by the book when it's being filmed. Not always the case when the camera isn't running and no one is around and you're already late for dinner.
Great Friday when there is a new SMA video... thank you Eric.
6 Honda injectors for the price of 1 2000 Toyota Injector Nowadays also since you can only get them cleaned and test nowadays for Toyota injectors from early 2000s you are right on the chevy injector even 1 Ford injector is More then all 6 of these same goes for Coils also Honda injectors great work as Always Eric O @SouthMainAutoRepairLLC
Holy crap. A Criss Cross reference from Eric... fantastic!
Liked this job !!! It was very interesting and informative. The whole procedure was narrated very good !!! Work was done extremely well, with the utmost precision !!! The checking of "" unsure "" actions is commendable - better safe than sorry !!! A "" check "" in time, saves nine, I've always heard Me Maw say !!! Was a lot of "" reach around's "" in this job to disconnect and reconnect !!! And in the end - a superb quality finally !!!! We both do good work, Eric !!!!! 😃🤪👍🛠🏁
Hello Eric, You have skills for sure, humor, cool comments, exceptional flashlight handling skills, and also you know your way around a 3.5L Honda EarthDreams engine. A great Honda dealership (Gary Smith Honda) is performing a replacement of all fuel injectors on their dime due to a TSB. I am a lucky guy and hope it goes well cuz I like the Ridgeline truck a bunch. Thank you for your video because it provides me with what is going to be done to my engine. Take care Eric...bye.
2016 Honda Pilot. 70k miles. No Codes but gas leaking from engine. Repair shop found injector o rings gone or very deformed. Replaced all injectors. Afterward Honda did a extended warranty/TSB for the same problem and reimbursed 6 mos after document submission the $1300 repair by an independent shop. Thanks for showing the process.
When the first Tacomas with GDI first came out in 2016 I had a couple that came in with the same issue. High pressure fuel pressure deterioration is how they outline to diagnose it was well. then a borescope to see which cylinder is wet. Nice of Honda to sell the set
Not a bad job & reasonably priced, thanks for sharing Eric!
You made that look like a snap Eric. Nice camera and editing as well. This video will help a lot of people save some real $$ if they have the gonads to try it. An easy DIY job using your video instruction. 5 Stars. ***** Videos like this is what TH-cam was meant for.
I like that they package those injectors like daisies at a garden center.
Nice video as always. I was just curious about a job like this. Old dog learning about new tricks. My favorite mechanic to learn from!
A while back, my son got a letter from Honda concerning his 2017 Ridgeline. I can't locate it, but it was to inform him that if there are any problems with the fuel injectors, and fuel pump (if I remember correctly), that Honda would repair it free of charge. Something about the pump sending debris into the fuel system.
I think there is an extended warranty that goes 10 years or 150K.
If NAPA won't come to the party and sponsor, just say got these from the auto parts store.
I love the way you talk to us like we're there with you, like "if you guys see it let me know" or "if you guys know how this comes apart let me know".
Owner and CEO of the largest automotive repair center in SE Avoca, NY.
Eric, I’ve been doin, thing a ma Ching repairs for over 45-50 yrs. if u count my 5 yr. apprentice time, just like u did ! Kids today go for a “crash coarse of 90 days. Daddy buys him a toolbox & sends him on his way !A few months ago, a buddy of mine has a son that can’t tie up his own shoes, told him, get a job, or get out ! (out of the house) He found a job doing oil changes in a Dealer I’ve been buying parts from for 40 yrs. Anyway, he found a used toolbox to buy, (dad bought), he was moved in the big service shop to now do Warranty repairs, good for him, but,God save America !
Every repair you do is good to show how much we old guys talk to ourselves,use common sense, And most of all, it doesn’t matter what badge is in the grille,,,,, all cars today are Junk, but keeps us busy, and again, this trade has become a joke, $ 25k in tools get your feet wet, if you own a toolbox…… your hired! LOL
hose pliers work well to squeeze the double sided release clip plugs. just don't over-squeeze and break them, yes it's easy to do!
Did this job on my Honda about a year ago, but it wouldn't start afterwards. Got it towed to the shop and they found I had not removed some caps from the tip of the injector, I see Eric was experienced enough to remove them before reinstalling
Made me squirm a little taking the intake bolts out with the ports open!😁
Great episode Eric! Love that you actually learn something new every time here, unlike some other channels that only brag about their dumb Celica and the wonders of spray cleaner! 😛
The only thing that keeps my attention for 45 minutes on you tube …..
Man, this made my Friday lunch break.. Eric O. working on a J-series!
You are the sensei of the classic reach around! And the master of innuendo!
I am just glad that you know which side of your keyboard faces up. You're going to need to know that to order new Catalytic converters!
Every.single.video.skips the essential part I was curious about, if I need the special seal forming tool or not!! I'm glad you at least TALKED about it and said that they just clicked down.
4 videos and no one actually discusses the need or NOT need for the Honda-specified tool for forming the proper seal diameter prior to installation. Honda says you do, apparently (I guess), you don't! Thanks for at least mentioning it, even if not seen on video.
As far as GDI, Honda has some of the easiest injectors to replace. No issues pulling them out and everything straight forward.
No objection Eric. I’m still with you. Can’t believe how deep a dive is necessary to get to the injectors. Best Regards
Very helpful! Thank you , loosening the ECM takes less than a minute using a 10 mm wrench which pushes the plastic cover to the right without need to remove it. ( around minute 9 of the video.)
Great video, Eric O. I love these vids where you tear into an engine and make a repair! Well done!
Eric your the best on trouble shooting, analysis and confirmation of a proper fix. Why is this not the norm and most places just load up the parts cannon
Man, great job. Hilarious too. Easy and entertaining to watch.
Great video, Love the ol Nuts and bolts video!
Just found your Chanel couple weeks ago I like the way you explain things and I like the humor in your videos.
A long video but all the detail made it a worthy watch.
Eric I love watching your video's I learn a lot from them.
I do love Mrs O's voice-over work😁
"And that exposes our high pressure fuel pump AND a dead bee." You crack me up man.
Great video. Honda claims to have some proprietary tricks to greatly reduce DI related carbon build up, partly using their VVT, and it seems to work on all their DI engines especially the later ones. The manifold interference was not typical for Honda and I agree their OEM service data is sparse and cryptic and sometimes even the little they give you isn’t correct.
Honda does it good, newer Toyota DI looks downright clean on top of the piston heads and valves. I was amazed the first time I popped one of those bad boys open and stuck a camera in. It was a 112k mile car to boot.
It not the top of the piston the problem it the intake valve that gum up for the lack of fuel cleaning them ence why many manufacturers are now using both direct injection and port injection to keep the valve clean
The vvt cannot clean the intake valve old port injection system rely on the fuel beimg injected before the valve to keep them clean
With direct injection this is the problem carbon build up on the intake valve and the engine run like crap
The V6 engine don't use VVT they only have V-Tec.
That’s one of the reasons I really like bmws service data. There’s so much detail with regards to pics, wiring diagrams, connectors, step by step testing, and more. Really blew me away with how much was in there software. It made sense why it’s around 50gb+ of files.
Happy Mothers Day Mrs. O. We all know you have the tough job in the family run business. I'll take a wrench over a phone any day.
GLAD TOO SEE YOU BACK .
Happy Mothers Day Mrs.O, You too Eric!!
Great video. Made me realize that I don't want to attempt that job my self. I'll take it to my local master tech. Thanks so much,
I love the line about the fuel line Eric,
if you walk by it, touch it or look at it
you have to replace it!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You'll be able to ditch the sweat jacket, it looks like nice weather is
finally showing up!!!
Many mechanics at work. But as I always say. Eric O's attention to detail wins hands down Every time. No other way to be successful and good.
Fun Fact: Super Lube is a food grade lubricant and is used in the plumbing industry on valves like backflow valve assemblies during repairs.
Mr. O.
I have a jump box, test light, home made leads, switch, multimeter and some know how. From this I am usually able to rig a test. I have a side hustle and I win some and lose some.
My last win was a dead starter. I was able to break down that the relay, solenoid, motor were all sound individually sound. But power would only activate the solenoid but not turn the motor. The motor itself was sound.
I assumed the ground was sound (rookie move) and so my guess was the switch. I diagnosed a bad switch and a new starter assembly fixed things. Plenty holes in my analysis.
My last fail was an engine overheat. Thermostat housing was cracked. I suggested a new thermostat as well.
Struggled with the coolant temp sensor test (resistantance?).
Fans, relays sound but they would not kick on. I was stumped.
Following up with the customer, coolant level was low. Rookie move.
I hate guessing and I want to improve. I am shaky with electrical diagrams, but I am always practicing new tests, poking at something.
Any thoughts on my next move. Keep doing this or a class?
I think I am ready for a poweprobe 4 and a relay test kit to simplify my test rig.
1. Take a class? or
2. Just keep taking on problems?
Thoughts?
Best wishes.
ERIC, ANOTHER GREAT STUDY CASE WITH A GREAT PROFESSIONAL, IMPRESSIVE REPAIR
THANKS
I remember that Kriss Kross band lol. That made me laugh out loud. I think one of those Chris’s from the band, passed away a lil while back.
Thanks for posting just in time for lunch break. Happy Friday everyone!
@11:30 Honda designed their GDI system and mounted the GDI injectors in a manner such that fuel comes into contact with the intake valves. Honda uses solenoid style GDI injectors instead of the much more expensive piezo injectors.
If fuel is contacting the intake valves, it's not direct injection
@@atticstattic yes, it is, please do more research.
@@MrXyzasdf
After you - you don't know what you're talking about.
One of my customers brought her Honda in complaining about the last guy that worked on her car, she said "ever since he worked on it there is a noise coming from the EARTH DREAMS box" LOL took me a few to figure out what an earth dreams box was.
Eric, so glad to see that worked out. Always liked the Pilot. Thanks for Sharing!
Thank u for sharing all the details of your thoughts while u work. I have applied your troubleshooting strategies to my different repairs. Life I'd way easier.
i love watching these the most, thanks for the content
Great job Mr O .
An old mechanics trick to safely decrease pressure in any high pressure fuel line (especially modern common rail diesels) is to start the motor, then remove the electric fuel pump fuse and let it idle until it stalls.
Eric O bustin' rhymes. "Everything's hittin' that vtec yo."
There's another procedure I've never seen, thank you. I can see why companies would be a little paranoid about fuel leaks, it's an area you can't see after you're done. I'm thinking the best way to check for a fuel leak would be before the intake goes on, so you can see a leak before it's all together. You can't run, but maybe just turn the key on and look for fuel pressure and a leaking connection?
Has to be cranking to hit the 300-1000PSI from the HPFP. They normally run off a cam lobe (or in some cases a cam lobe per cylinder bank).
@@michaelkrenzer3296 Good point, I did not know that.
I just start it up and throw a match at it. If it lights off, then you have a leak. Easy way to find it.....
Wanna check for a leak....throw a lit match down in there 😁.....lololol.....just kidding!
@@michaelkrenzer3296 its way more than 1000 psi try in the 2000+ psi
Diesel with the high compression ration run even higher psi
I see people saying these go bad on Honda's a lot. So it's a good thing you can buy them cheaper than other vehicle manufacturers if you have to replace them more often.
I never had on a Honda but on the GMs I've seen many times were the pressure goes down on a hot soak, but it wasn't the injectors it was the high pressure fuel pump leaking.
Eric! good to see ya this morning ...great content.
Eric, if possible, you should practice cranking over the engine a few turns to build-up fuel pressure and check for leaks while the intake is still off.
I was also wondering if it was easy to check leaks before putting everything together. Seems you need to lift the car and rotate cam manually.
Great vid very comprehensive and fairly straight forward. Thanks for sharing !!
I don’t know jack about cars but love the channel!
Thanks for sharing Eric. Excellent video 👍
My question is When are you going to top a million subs???? You deserve it by now.
Eric O. Is my inspiration. I try to live like him.
So, you live in an auto repair shop?
heck yea i know I've mentioned the mac battery ratchets before on the channel and I'm glad to see u finally have one!! they r indeed worth while. other than the lack of break away torque if u don't get a running start sometimes it won't have the balls
True ! U watch Rainman! lol
Never seen the newer direct injected J-series V6 worked on before!
Thanks for the video buddy this was a breeze
Good thing you had that new fuel pipe
May I ask why they didn't go the dealer? the injectors are covered 10 years/150k due to them failing so often. love the videos and love seeing a video of the things I do.