LET ME EXPLAIN... Retraction Video to The Tenere 700 Re-Review
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︾ Hey Adventure Riders,
Well I was wrong about the Tenere 700. Let me explain...
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Did you just drop a Boogie Nights reference? Interesting choice considering the scene it comes from... lol
Ladies and Gentlemen, was The Dork in the Road the first person to get it right? Nice work, Ben. You’re definitely a Star in my mind.
It makes sense that you would recognize something like that!
Ben, how was it you got the movie scene so quickly? Impressive movie reference catalog you're running up there.
I'm not an engineer, but to counter the point that these tubes are "underbuilt"; when a 450lb + 200lb rider hit an immovable rock something has gotta give. something has to break... maybe its best that a replaceable tube breaks rather then something "else"
Yea, tough one. Having a consumable part like this isn't the worst thing in the world, and as others pointed out, we'd rather see this break than for example, the engine cases on the CB500X (which we've seen 2 get broken.) Tough situation all around that is typically addressed though with more traditional frame designs. -- Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for the update. Don't let the people with bad attitudes get you down. The fact is you're trying to help the community out. I'm sure most of us appreciate the info.
A break is a break. You’re the ONLY one who brought it to our attention. Now I know to keep an eye on it. Thank you for being PROACTIVE!
I appreciate the update as much as many others do. I do NOT think you need to apologize for saying something that isn't 100% correct, because you're human. The few don't need to pander to over the many. We're all adults with the same passions, flaws, and desire to ride. I see why you did, but you're still cool with most of us.
Thanks for saying so. Some of the Commenters to that first video where I was wrong seemed to be quite disturbed by my mistake, so it just seemed appropriate to tidy things up a bit. Thanks for watching though.
Of course you have to. It’s the only honorable thing to do. If you say/do wrong, you apologise and try to make it right. It’s an honest mistake, and Im happy you cleared it up.
It gives some people joy to see people who can talk make mistakes. Of those, some shrug it off as normal while others take the opportunity to crow about it. Then the rebuttal is not merely a way to set the record straight, but an additional advertising opportunity. Def has me thinking about renting a T7 to ride Baja. I just wonder if I can bust one of those pieces without hurting myself.... 😂
Thank you brotha ,
So basically the solution to avoid breaking the stuff is not to install the guard . Right ?
You took more heat than you deserved for bringing up a concern. I love your videos and content and you'll always have a return customer from me.
My understanding is that most of the ADV bikes on the market use a stressed member arrangement. This configuration has the benefit of both weight savings and mass centralization, both of which are important qualities for ADV bikes. So, I don't think going back to a cradle type frame is a solution. And, as far as I'm aware, there haven't been widespread problems with stressed member chassis. There are folks putting the Tenere and other bikes through hell and not having any problems. Look no further than videos of Pol Tares or the guys over at Camel ADV. These guys are absolutely hammering these bikes, way more than 99% of us will ever do. If it can hold up to that type of abuse, it's good enough for me.
Apologies if you already answered this, but how can I fix the issue you described?
If stuff might break I want to know about it (particularly if it is somewhere I may not readily notice). It implies that force might then be transferred to something I really do not want to break (particularly if something I expect to be protecting the bike is attached to it).
DR650 or WR650 are the best middle weight adventure bikes. Middleweight is less than 400lb. Period. They can do highway speeds, but you can treat them like a heavy dual sport, light ADV.
I appreciate your honesty and candid (and very experienced) review of the T7. I love mine, but every bike has it's flaws and after 2 years on mine I would agree with pretty much everyone you've pointed out.
Thanks, Mike, and you've got a great bike totally worth the money. Yep, they all have flaws, but we're still running these T7's....just noting that we need to keep such spare parts on hand. Thanks for watching and RIDE on!
please report which crash guard it is is, definitely think it's the main factor for breaking this part when the crash guard uses this member as a connection point
why do so many reviewers say that the t7 doesnt have compression settings on the shock? or that the rebound on the forks is not adjustable? is this a USA thing? my '22 t7 here in Canada has fully adjustable forks and shock!
Fork lacks preload adjustment
Would a heavy-walled pipe help solve the issue, or would it just transfer the fracture point up to the bolts?
Good question. Probably as you mentioned, it would put other parts of the situation at risk.
I would like to see the video on the Honda CB500x cases that you talk about, I took a look but could not find any reference to this in the title of any videos and I'm considering buying a CB500x?
I think the only "case" we mentioned in this video was that the "engine case" had broken on 2 CB500X's in Patagonia, when people pound that stressed-member engine too hard. We're using Hepco & Becker Junior model sidecases on those bikes in Patagonia, and Giant Loop Great Basin bags on the same bike here in the U.S. Thanks for watching, and have fun!
I'd rather have a "sub assembly" fail and need to be replaced over a stressed member failure like your Honda 500s - resulting in the bike being totalled out I would assume.
Since these sub assemblies hold the skid plate and crash bars (some styles) it's not surprising they are being "stressed" during a crash or fall and may break/fail and need to replaced like any regular set of handlebars, crash bars, luggage racks, etc, etc. I am sure your rentals get beat on harder than Yamaha intended so your more likely to have these failures. I'd also rather replace these skid plate rails than a motor ANY day.
Whether or not ADV bike should rely on this style of frame is a questions for the manufactures engineers. I would bet it comes to cost and weight if i had to guess.
For sure, it's not so bad if these sub assembly pieces need to be replaced from time to time. Sub-$200 parts (each side) from Yami last I saw, and a far-preffered failure than the cracked engine cases on the CB500X.
I've searched but not yet found a solid presentation on engine longevity in stressed member situations. In other words, I'd love to see what a metallurgist has to say having opened up Sample and Control groups of engines after 50,000 miles or whatever. Although small amounts, we know there must be some flex in there, and that flex must do something to the life of cylinder bores, and therefore the entire engine.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
I really appreciate your honesty!
NIce detail, thanks! From CT, U.S.A.
Hey, you made it right asap.. Another great vid as usual from an honest content provider.. Interesting stuff -- Thank You!!
Thanks for saying so. And for watching.
Just a comment about chain durability...After watching the ARieman1 you-tube channel about setting the chain tension when the centres of the swingarm, back axel and the front sprocket bolts are all in alignment, which makes perfect sense to me, because from there the chain cant go tighter and stretch your chain and damage gearbox bearing etc??
I've tried it by strapping my bike suspension down and getting the three in line, and works like a charm. Anyone else tried?
This problem is an oversight, at best, but to me, it seems to be a design flaw. Maybe those tubes should be stress members or have some sort of decoupling from the chassis, which would allow for some movement under stress. Yamaha should address these issues. Thanks for the fabulous content.
Thanks for the positive feedback, and yea, even if Yamaha just doubled the gauge of the metal tubing on those Side Member Sub Assembly pieces, that would help. Yes, that adds more weight and cost, and they're not terribly difficult to replace, but they just shouldn't be so thin to begin with. RIDE on, Charles!
disagree. when you hit something that hard something has to break. sacrifice a replaceable piece of tubing in order to not have anything more important that is also more difficult to replace break.
@@Revy8 you can make it stronger then dampen the mounts with something that allows a little movement. it's just like any other bike and has flaws.
Camel ADV did a video on this as many listeners are probably watching his channel also . All I want to do have chance to even ride , so much rain here in Northern Commiefornia that maybe someone is building an Ark somewhere . Been hearing about the Kove 450 and EverRide has some really good things to say about it . Always appreciate your videos and when I can get some time I would like to check out your website to see about getting some offroad classes etc .
People get really worked up about reliability claims. If you put a ton of hard miles on your T7 and nothing broke then you have nothing to worry about, but this company has a right to report the failures that have occurred in their rental fleet.
kudos for making this video in response to the first one ... respect
Thanks bud. Trying to be informative but accurate as much as we can in the chaos of operating tours, running a training center, and now a ADV gear store. Again, thanks for the note.
Aprilia tuareg 660?
Try to get your hands on the new 2023 Honda Transalp. I would love to see a comparison to the T7
The Trans Alp is on our shopping list for sure : ) Thanks for watching.
Thank you for this video! I am in the market for an adventure bike. How would you feel about riding this bike 100-200 miles on the highway?
Thanks for watching. The T7 is "fine" on the highway, but of course there are better highway bikes with more wind protection, etc.
@@RIDEAdventures I appreciate your timely response. I have decided to go with the Honda Africa Twin ES, but I enjoyed looking at competitors.
Wonder what Yamaha would say about this. Also pretty sure rental fleets are going to have issues that individual owners will not.
Almost bought the Yamaha but went with Tuareg, very impressed and happy with my purchase.
Yea, glad to hear from you Yami if anyone wants to comment. Really just a matter of "it is what it is," though, this will likely remain a "consumable" part that many have to replace over time.
@@RIDEAdventures Part of me wonders if that was the engineers intentions? Like is it an intended failure point? The idea being if you take a big enough hit the replaceable bar breaks instead of your engine mount, frame etc... something that would be extremely costly to replace.
It seems like a fairly simple part to beef up and one aftermarket manufacturers could easily produce? But if the above is true then that could bring more harm than good to your bike.
@@trapskilla yep, interesting thought. Marketing guys want lower weight and costs, and the engineers perhaps want parts that last longer. Somewhere in there lies the decision they made on how to construct parts that could actually range from being absolute "consumables" to parts that could otherwise last forever. --- Yamaha, care to share?
@@RIDEAdventures This is what I was thinking after mulling it over for a while. I've read somewhere you aren't supposed to lift with the T7 with a center lift, especially with the stock bash guard. Aftermarket ones are certainly more substantial to spread load more. I would rather have a consumable part fail than more damage being done to the engine. Problem is getting a satisfactory answer from the engineers who designed the bike in the first place
I'm not sure they qualify for middle weight adventure bike category: but what are your gripes with Africa Twin and the Tiger 900 Rally Pro? Both seem like pretty capable off road and very comfortable on road from videos I've seen. Would also love to hear your opinion on the Tuareg 660
I've tended to think of 400-500lbs being that middleweight category. Not sure what you mean about those grips, as the Africa Twin and Tiger 900 are solid options. I actually don't have personal experience with the Toureg 660, other than walking around one. Looks like a great option as well, and others seem to agree. Thanks for watching!
It’s always amazing to see how hard people are riding ADV bikes. I’m sure manufacturers never meant for them to be more than a street touring bike capable of exploring fire lanes and moderate two tracks. But many are being treated like and ridden in conditions better suited to enduro bikes.
The fact that these bikes are holding up this well under these constant demands is impressive beyond measure.
Failures are going to happen to any bike over time, especially when they are being ridden at or near there capability threshold regularly.
Yea, some of them (like Africa Twins) are proving to be extremely durable and reliable, despite the pounding we've put them through here in the PNW, down in Baja, Patagonia, etc. No bike has proven as reliable for us in 12+ years. Reliable, and durable.
How about the new Honda XL750 TransAlp as the new middleweight bike
Hey I mentioned this on one of your other videos but maybe you missed it. What are your thoughts on the Aprilia Tuareg? A lot of reviewers that have tried both seem to think that the Aprilia is really good. I haven't heard of any real catastrophic issues with them yet. I would be interested to see how one might hold up to the abuse y'all put your motorcycles through.
We haven’t put any time on the Toureg yet. Just not a bike or brand that’s part of any of the local markets we operate in yet, so kinda tough to start operating with them. Looking forward to it though cause it looks great. Heard good things.
Takes a real man to admit you are wrong. Thanks for the update.
Agree with you but I’m not holding my breath for any company to ever build the unicorn. They’ll get close but that’s about it.
I've seen across the board the same complaints about the t7. Moving foward yamaha may invest in rectifying these problems in future models which may still make the t7 the unicorn bike? I'm still definitely looking at getting a t7 for my 2nd bike and think the only real competition would be the aprillia.
I'm someone that wouldn't even add the extra weight of crash bars to a bike. We spend $thousands to reduce weight but won't spend hundreds to replace plastics, if it's even required apart from keeping a bike looking like new (which is a whole other discussion)?,
As far as I am concerned, if the tubes are breaking like these are (in tension in this case), it is being stressed.
Exactly. Whether technically part of the stressed member system or a necessary part to make the rest of the bike possible, it's all part of the same thing. Thanks for watching.
@@RIDEAdventures Didn't you say in the video that the likely force breaking the tube is from side-loading from the lower crashbar you installed?
@@leracer it perhaps has something to do with the crashbars, but in order to confirm that, we'll have to catch the fracture in-action. Not an easy thing catch in the moment.
I like getting the "411"...
Which happens to be the number of likes after incrementing.
😂😂 The first 6 seconds for sure must end up as a 'I was wrong' gif on Twitter.
Fire away : )
Especially given the subtle movie reference I was making with that word choice, about "exposing" myself : )
So, are you trying to say that you were wrong? 🙂 At one point in time the scuttlebutt was that you shouldn't support the weight of the bike with these tubes. I guess I shouldn't be hammering logs with the bash plate attached to these then...
Hah, yes, I was Wrong : ) but nobody got the adaptation of a movie reference I was making in that word choice yet. Interesting to see who will get the "big, bright and shining" part of it. ----- Yea, keep hammering away and having fun, just be ready to replace those side member sub assemblies. Thanks for watching and commenting!
you can only report what you know. keep getting out and do the thing!
Well, like all equipment , improvement of design is driven by failure :)) I am sure there will be aftermarket replacement bars or cross bar to improve durability of this issue on T7.
That is what i was thinking, unless those bars are designed to fail at a certain impact force, protecting something much more costly to replace
Baja! Well that explains it. (Love the Slapshot clip :)
It take courage to speak up to the public, but it IS bravoury and honourable when a man admits a mistake ánd apologises.
Thanks for saying so. Been wrong plenty of times, just never had the opportunity to make a whole video about it : )
Mistakes happen, for me it is not so bad, thanks for the good content
Thanks for saying so. Too bad how bent out of shape others have been about it : )
Maybe not a stress member, but possibly a sacrificial part
Couldn't find a t7 anywhere for over a year bought a tuareg 660 it's been a fun bike.
You don't get it man. It's purposely built to break before harsh impact bend your fame, it's a design feature. Would you rather have your frame bend on impact, or just broken peace of metal bar, which is easily replaceable?
No we get it and thanks for your input.
I wish Yamaha would have used the same sacrificial tubing for the exhaust bracket. That one is more of a design flaw, in my mind, mostly because the consequences can be more severe.
Good point, and yea, that hangar situation is a downside. Thanks for watching
In the T7 manual the so called skid plate is not referred to as such....Yamaha calls this a cowling, and also stresses in the manual that you should not lift the bike without placing a wooden block between the cowling and the bottom of the engine. They make it clear that this is not a strong enough design for high down forces known on actual dirt bike double cradle frame design. You admit your mistake, its common enough misunderstanding for T7 owners.....thinking they own an actual dirt bike. The time will tell as this is a new design relatively and metal fatigue and design failures (misunderstandings) will inevitably surface. I can''t help but think though, that being a rental...those bikes are coming down a lot harder than normal ownership usage....human nature.
Maybe the skid manufacturers can figure out a better design. Perhaps include a bracket mounted to something studier.
I thought I heard a beeping noise for the first few seconds
Everyone makes mistakes, wish more would both admit that and empathize. Good role model.
Thanks for saying so.
Bro you have the same voice as Jocko Willenk and Dr. Mike Isratel
Hah, interesting, hadn't heard that before. Jocko for President (someday!)
Best mid weight adventure bike, probably the Aprilia Tuareg 660 right now. Thousands less than the KTM and about the same as the Tenere. I hear you with the potential issues of dealer network and reliability but I’ll take Italian over Chinese all day long, and this is not a new engine or a company who is a complete stranger to building rally contenders.
If the Tuareg was made by any of the big four from Japan, it would have been the most popular adv bike on the market. Such a well designed bike.
No! No shame needed. You shared your experience and learned from it. There is no shame in being wrong if we can admit it and learn from it.
In fact, I would say we often learn more by being wrong, than by being right.
I have no problem with the T7's engine being stressed member. Since those broken parts were add-ons to allow a skid plate, and they lasted 24+ months in rental fleet, off road use, i have no problem with SOME of them failing. Call them crash bars if you wish. Very few crash bars really last that long is hard rock use. My problem with the T7 as an ADV bike was it's top heaviness and small tank. I only rode it 2 weeks, 1st week in a class throughout Moab, then solo riding in same area. Engine, very good at technical crawling, and sufficiently relaxed at interstate speed; suspension acceptable out of the box, The only time i dropped the bike was in parking lots or on the slow speed training when I put my foot down too close to the bike's centerline. Once it leaned more than a few degrees from vertical, my short 60yo legs just couldn't stop it. Loaded up with the solo camping gear just made nearly inevitable. Luckily, every time i tipped over solo, by the time I quit laughing at my own spectacle, someone was always there to help "right the ship". 😅
Hmm 🤔 thanks for opening my eyes to this
Glad if the info helps, thanks for watching.
I own a 901. My first bike using the engine as a stress member is a KTM 690. I didn't like the idea then and I don't like it now with the 901. I have this crazy idea that breaking a mounting point on my engine would be a catastrophic event. When shopping for crash guards on the 901 I totally avoided anything that mounts to the engine. So no, I think it's a bad idea. I really don't think that adding the weight of a proper frame is a big deal, especially when you consider the low center of gravity where it would be applied.
Likewise, and I'm super-curious to know from a metallurgist's standpoint what all that flex/loading on the engine is doing to the life of stressed member engines. Big test to run though. Thanks for sharing.
Parts are not supposed to break off a new bike.
I think the hype pretty much has pushed the T7 into an area that's not realistic . The gen 1 klr has been in a niche all its own. Knowbody ever hype the klr up that way. Yet the T7 has big shoes to fill.
Thanks for the update, that frame/brace part still should not break the way it did even under hard use, it was a bad design. hopefully they come up with a solution for it.
And it could be part of improper side-loading caused by crashbars being mounted as such, but we're also looking at some that broke without such crashbars. So more on this ahead. Thanks for watching.
maybe manufacturers should revisit the idea of making big bore singles instead of turning everything into a parallel twin, the only crate frame p-twin i can think off is the triumph scrambler but those aren't precisely what i would consider light weight, in my opinion the closest bike to the "unicorn" that can do everything and do it well is the husqvarna 701 enduro but those also use the engine as a stressed member and have a couple of reliability issues that KTM refuses to address, besides 13 liters of fuel puts it on "range anxiety" territory and the long range version is kinda ugly imo.
Nice info…I’ll keep my F800GS
Full frame, good choice : )
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Oh boy you must have gotten lotsa heat for reporting this problem. Some T700 owners are coocoos they will stampede you for anything but singing hallelujah to their beloved princess. Structural or not it is stress bearing. Bikes taken off tarmac need robust bash plate support.
I'm with you on needing full cradle frame to take the beating. Not sure what overbuilding rails would do to the rest of the bike
Hah! You got that right for sure, but then again there someone to be offended by almost anything negative being said about any bike made. - Thanks for the note and getting me thinking more on what we might be able to manufacture that would make the bike far more robust. Stay tuned for that and thanks for commenting.
@RIDE Adventures when your video came out, I passed it to T700 owning acquatance.. he was taking it up in arms. I said, "Look, it's not about dissing on bike. If it were me, I would appreciate heads up on potential issue and keep an eye on it before it becomes a problem." Maybe put new before long trip or at least be ready to have it welded in muffler shop.
I don’t know what kind of heat you took for your “mistake” but it seems to me you are being WAY too hard on yourself.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks for saying so. The comments section on the first video was getting a bit intense, but yea, a fairly minor miscategorization.
Check kove 800x adventure 😊ı think you can test in Usa this summer specs are perfect and also design…183kg 92hp 22liter fuel ,Twin cylinder ,traction Control and turn abs
Interesting, had only seen news about the 450 Rally thus far. Could be a good option, wow their website is rough though. An 800 with a 13:1 compression ratio, yikes! Thanks for mentioning it.
Should ask Pol Tarre's or Andy Riemann if they have had this problem. I anyone was gonna stress a member it would be these two fellas...haha
No worries...still a defect that yamaha or aftermarket companies like Camel ADV should remedy. Fix it or give me the World Raid here in North America please. Cheers
Not the “perfect” bike because it would be under powered but I really want to see a Versys 400X with the the ninja 400 engine. Aluminum frame. 21/18 wheels and big suspension
High revving/peak power engine for off-road use.
@@lefterisbampaidis5446 I don’t know what you’re trying to say…but the ninja 400 engine would need to be revved to the moon just like the Versys 300. Would be a great small adv bike though
@@IRLtrolls exactly my point. Those engines don't work well with dual sports. You don't rev the engine near the limiter when not on pavement.
There is always somebody that going to be butt hurt, don't worry about it.
T7 is a great bike, and really all bikes nowadays are great , if youhave perspective.
like us older riders , we have rode some real crap comparatively.
Yes, these machines are incredible compared to 30-40 years ago! Thanks for the note, and yea, always some butts hurting out there : )
Doesn't really matter, skid plate is attached to these tubes so if they goes you can damage the engine. Don't like the design anyway.
Such a great bike in so many ways, still a leader of the pack. Just gotta be aware of this flaw and slight fragility. Thanks for watching.
Best middleweight? I have to go with the LC4 640 KTM. The design has proven itself at Dakar and why KTM moved away from that single big bore to a twin is beyond me.
A full frame (traditional), light weight, nimble big bore is where it’s at. But I’d trade mine for Pol Tarres Tenure in a heartbeat.
I actually saw your original video, and I am a T700 owner... and to be honest, I'm not sure where all the negative feedback comes from. Personally, I knew that these side rods are not technically part of the chassis. It doesn't change the fact that they broke. In fact, I could be wrong on this, but Yamaha doesn't even recommend that you jack the bike by these rails... Which is sort of strange, considering that jacking on this part of the bike is pretty standard practice. From my own perspective the fact that you have broken 3 of these in a rental/training environment is no discredit to the bike. This has got to be about the hardest use environment I could possibly imagine, with guys riding them all the time that may either under qualified, or just plain riding the snot out of them because they are not the owner... Just sayin. But I believe your original point holds true, this is an apparent weak spot... so as a fellow T700 owner/rider, I will keep an eye out for any issues with my own bike. Thank you for your information, even if it wasn't presented as accurately as all the trolls would have liked.
The Tenere is good bike, but it's like a personal affront to all T7 owners if you point out that it has a problem. Suddenly, it might be like any other ADV bike that is made out of metal instead of unicorn dust.
I bet a bike built to be as light as posable but still have a strong credal frame would cost more than most are willing to pay for a middle weight. But then again engineers might be butting up against the limits of material science and physics.
ktm 890, tenere 700 world raid, Honda XL750 transalp and Ducati Desert x
Hurry, Beta run down the via to Aprilia, pick up some Touareg 660cc parallel twins. Shoehorn them in the RRS chassis, ad a rally tower and a 5 gallon fuel tank….boom prepare to take orders.
IDK... And I may be put in TH-cam ADV bike jail for saying this, but if the new Transalp ever makes it to the states I think it has some serious potential. May take a little upgrading, but they all do.
Just stick to Camel adv for facts.
No apology necessary. Period. End of story. 🤘
If I were buying in 2023, I think id buy a new aftica twin 1100 base model. Better than a T7 on road and I still wanna stretch the distance of my rides.
Kawasaki should make a versys 400 and make it 270 degree crank and off-road capable
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Pol Tarres
How does his bike hold up with all the crazy stuff he does?
Euro ADVs
Too much complicated tech.
Little of it will be used by average rider.
I hope Japanese makers build a simple reliable ADV (for 1 plus 80-100 lbs gear).
Ahh, Pol Tarres is incredible, but what we probably don't see in the footage is the fractures and things that have happened?
Don't be naive Will. Do you think they would show it if anything went wrong with his Yamaha? He's a brand ambassador. Same with Chris Birch and KTM.
The "perfect" bike. Good luck with that.
Maybe not "perfect," but the "best" is certainly something to look forward to. Have Kawasaki, Harley, or even Kove contact me and I'll give them all the details of what they need to do : )
Still want to know what failures or breakages you've had on the T700s you run vs the 790/890s that you run.
the perfect middle weight is all ready been made , tenere world raid
The Desert X
An honest motor journalist is a cherished treasure, and you guys always provide excellent content. Keep that up! UNICORN: The Kove 800X Super Adventure? On paper its numbers are stellar and its single-cylinder 450cc Dakar-racer sibling is receiving truly glowing reviews (@eveRide). I am very excited about this bike coming to Europe in 2023!
DR 650 for you
Without going through the micro fish and seeing it's called a sub-member or being some kind of mechanical engineer, I can see how one could make that mistake. It still broke....T7 lovers!!!! Honda will not take the hornet engine and put it in a KTM 690 style frame, suspension and comfortable seat. If they did that, it would be the best middle weight that punches above it's class.
Too much hate from Yamaha fan boys. Yamaha produce great product doesn't means all of their product are perfect.
Yea, it was getting a little hot in the comments for a moment there. Thanks for watching and saying so : )
So yamaha was working on this bike since like 2016 if not before that that we kmow of. I'm sure yamaha did lots of testing on it before it went to market in Europe in 2019. Where it was used and abused for another 2 years before is came to North America. Where we now have 2 years with the bike ourselves and starting our 3rd year I do gotta wonder why are you the only one it seems with these issues now . The bikes been getting tested and abused for like 8 years before this and at least 4 years by the public. Maybe look closer at the parts your using on your bikes that are mounting to these bars try a different style of crash bar or skidplate. On a few other bikes and see if they have the same problem in the end. You know diagnosing is it a problem with yamaha's design or maybe an aftermarket part that's being used on the bike? Maybe it's just being dropped a lot or being rode for what they are, rental bikes. I mean the people riding them don't care. they don't have to pay the repair bills afterall right. I mean I get what your saying but I mean you can't avoid the elephant in the room either kinda deal. Tens of thousands of these bikes all over the world being put through some of the worst abuse you can imagine.. and then we have you the only apparent person to be having this issue. Maybe look at what your adding for parts and or doing do and with the bikes that could be causing this issue. Set up a control type of bike remove the aftermarket crashbars and skidplates you have on one of the bikes that has a good frame mounting bar and try something that mounts in a different manner and see if that bike has the same issue as well. I donno all your circumstances myself so I can't say what the problem is but just saying if your bikes are all the same setup and of its one of the aftermarket parts on the bikes causing this issue then your gonna have this issue will all the bikes so try something different as a control perhaps.
But isn't that kind of the point? He's not the only one buying those parts and putting them on their bikes. Even Yamaha sells a crash bar that mounts to the same frame member. He's just pointing out an issue that most people probably won't encounter unless they put their bikes through the same situations as he does. I own Yamahas and I've even have had issues with my Super Tenere. If you drop this bike and it hits any where near the front fairing or headlight area, you're looking at replacing the entire plastic monocoque bracket piece that holds the headlight, dash and etc. It doesn't a very hard hit to break it. And you won't even know you cracked it until you notice that your headlights vibrate going down the road. It's not a terribly expensive piece, but it could've been made better.
@@atvtinker01 yes and no he's not saying anything about the aftermarket parts crashbars he's using or anything like that that could be the cause like also hiw many times the bike has been dropped or in what conditions with what type of skilled rider remember it's a rental bike business. There's a reason manufacturers don't warranty alot of thing on vehicles that are used for business such as this. Something about this doesn't seem right still as I said 3 bikes all from the same person/rental company out of how many tens of thousands of bikes over multiple years of not only yamahas testing before the public even saw it for the first time but then multiple years after it's been in the publics hands being used and abused . Now this one person has 3 with the same issue but no one else that don't sound at all fishy to you in the least bit? It doesn't make you ask why is it only this guy now after all these years and tens of thousands of units later? Maybe in a first or Second year model and multiple people having the same issue but not this late in the game with only one person having the issue. Sounds more like an issue on the individual/company usage to me not yamaha . I have a t7 myself with the yamaha crash bar that mounts in the same place and so do alot of my friends one of the bikes was dropped hard before he bought it used and thw bars were bent right into the plastics..and yet no damage to these bats at all. this is not an issue for us.
There's lots of other t7 riders in the world that pit these bike though far more abuse then we do also and they haven't said anything abiut these mounting point bars getting damaged. I'm by now they would have noticed if they were.
The perfect bike is a 450cc thumper but they dont want to make it
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I have great hope for the Kove 450 Rally to be the perfect middle weight adventure bike.
They are meant tp fail in the same way a hood on a car crumples in an accident. They save the actual chassis from damage by failing. You've learned nothing, and just want to be right even though you are wrong. If they didn't break under certain circumstances it would damage your actual frame. You have no clue. Quit talking about things you don't understand. When you ride 500lb machines offroad you will have parts failures end of discussion.
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Doesn’t your failure rate seem much higher than average? Why do you think that is? Maybe you should spend some time analyzing that instead of trying to blame the bike.