Mad Men - The Sno Ball story (Don vs. Ginsberg)

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  • @calbassas87
    @calbassas87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    I love how Pete is the only one who immediately gets the “snowballs chance in hell” connotation. There’s something really funny about that.

    • @DistantLights
      @DistantLights 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      A thing like that

  • @francescotamburini5790
    @francescotamburini5790 2 ปีที่แล้ว +133

    I love it that the only guy who gets the “snowball’s chance in hell” reference other than Don is the guy who spent an episode rambling about a chip ‘n dip.

    • @oussamat612
      @oussamat612 ปีที่แล้ว

      what does snowball chance in hell mean

    • @rohancooray194
      @rohancooray194 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@oussamat612it's a way of saying "there's no chance of that happening", as a snowball would have 'no chance' in hell, because it would melt from the heat.

    • @AceJackov
      @AceJackov ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But ... they got two.

  • @samfilmkid
    @samfilmkid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    I love the look Peggy gives Ginsberg after he says "That's actually good!" to Don.

    • @TomasRastedt
      @TomasRastedt ปีที่แล้ว +5

      There is so much subtext in that entire scene. Ginsberg says it, Stan, Peggy and Don keep it to themselves.

  • @gwengoodrich
    @gwengoodrich 2 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    You’re just a bully and a drunk. A football player in a suit.” - Jim Cutler, S7E7

    • @jackjax7921
      @jackjax7921 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thats why youre a brokie.

    • @Sciolist
      @Sciolist 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Biography of pretty much every successful businessman

  • @natalie651
    @natalie651 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    I love Don so much, but this is definitely an exploration of a character flaw. He can be so small sometimes, it's very strange. Someone with that much going for him is so insecure. Best show ever.

    • @reycesarcarino4653
      @reycesarcarino4653 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      People like that see insecurity as thing to protect

    • @cooldude333
      @cooldude333 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He’s an egotistical prick! What did you expect?!

  • @bigiedieot
    @bigiedieot ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Guess you could say that Ginsberg's idea had a snowball's chance in hell

  • @wintermute8315
    @wintermute8315 3 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Exactly what I wanted to see, thanks! I feel like this is the only time in the series we see Don fumbling through the early creative process like this.

    • @cacox
      @cacox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Also the very first episode with the Lucky Strike pitch

    • @wintermute8315
      @wintermute8315 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ​@@cacox Eh, nah, in that one he just goes into a meeting with absolutely nothing prepared (unrealistic), and then miraculously comes up with something on the spot (also unrealistic).
      This scene is the only time we see him doing the grunt work.

    • @Kai_soze
      @Kai_soze ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It’s to show that Don was starting to become washed up because he wasn’t doing the work. He was essentially just getting paid to miss meetings, drink, smoke and leave work early. It showed how rusty he was because he wasn’t constantly thinking about new ideas.

    • @natalie651
      @natalie651 ปีที่แล้ว

      Except for episode 1.

  • @adriande1
    @adriande1 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    “I thought you were hiding from someone” - totally projecting here haha

  • @redmouseking13
    @redmouseking13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Great writing! That elevator scene when Don hit Ginsberg with that line and the elevator dinged as if Don earned a point.

  • @nathanielwestermann
    @nathanielwestermann 3 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    "When you think of a snowball, there's a 90% chance you think of its chance in hell."
    Uh, actually, no there isn't! End of presentation.

    • @eternity8811
      @eternity8811 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That's kind of the point: a "truly talented" (cough) ad man can talk shit and people will swallow it. QED by reality. And so mirrored repeatedly by events in the series.

    • @saeta
      @saeta ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You look like a gay version of Captain Hero

    • @kylewolf740
      @kylewolf740 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@@saetalmao damn

  • @kylenielsen5341
    @kylenielsen5341 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Love the Ozymandias conversation. The last lines in the elevator also hearken back to Atlas Shrugged. Ellsworth Toohey: "Mr. Roark, we're alone here. Why don't you tell me what you think of me? In any words you wish. No one will hear us."
    Roark: "But I don't think of you.”

    • @Monkprom
      @Monkprom 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      That’s scene is from the fountainhead

  • @rdkap42
    @rdkap42 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I like how Don says "I'm not taking two" to no one in particular in the cab

    • @paulfordiscool
      @paulfordiscool ปีที่แล้ว +13

      He says it to Harry who asks if he should carry the second set of illustrations

  • @JustSomeCanadianGuy
    @JustSomeCanadianGuy หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The cure for the common snowball.

  • @nedd.8479
    @nedd.8479 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    "Yeeessssss. Even meeeeeeeeeeee."

  • @Blashmack
    @Blashmack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    2:40 "And when I say someone, I mean a cop, schoolteacher with glasses, businessman, indian chief... anybody kids hate"
    Example of another time...

    • @TheSmart-CasualGamer
      @TheSmart-CasualGamer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don is an almost totally backwards nutcase, you gotta remember that.

    • @eternity8811
      @eternity8811 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      ​@@TheSmart-CasualGamerDon didn't say that, Ginsberg did.

    • @eva_pilot
      @eva_pilot ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that caught me off guard too lol y do kids hate indian chiefs?

    • @mlipkin1
      @mlipkin1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Because they’re stoic and aloof?

    • @jimmy-buffett
      @jimmy-buffett ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@eva_pilot because when kids played "cowboys and indians" in the 1960's the Indians were the bad guys

  • @aromaticflower
    @aromaticflower 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Thanks for compiling this story

  • @costellomhor
    @costellomhor 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great vid and amazing to see this finally uploaded properly, cheers!

  • @colonialstraits1069
    @colonialstraits1069 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Michael’s idea was far superior, Don knew it and was scared. Really shows how insecure and dishonest he is. Ginsberg deserved better.

  • @EatDrinkAndTravel
    @EatDrinkAndTravel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great edit of these clips. Hope you upload more.

  • @MarkVonBaldi
    @MarkVonBaldi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Don's ideas was waaaaaay off base.

    • @rockets4kids
      @rockets4kids ปีที่แล้ว +19

      That's the whole point.

  • @kulgan18
    @kulgan18 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I wonder what motivated Don to compete with Ginsberg, it was because he found the Idea so good that he had to see if he could top it?.
    Maybe he was just insecure but there was something about products marketed towards kids that really made him act irrational. Am thinking the Hershey Bar and this.

  • @conradmaclean4073
    @conradmaclean4073 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Don seems almost unrecognisable from season 1

  • @aromaticflower
    @aromaticflower ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think Peggy’s pitch is quite bad, actually - light wit with no emotional connection, or fun, at most would elicit a meek chuckle

  • @hitmanhart670
    @hitmanhart670 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Did people really like Don’s idea or were they humoring him? Because it sounded pretty bad when he was pitching it

    • @jwal1992
      @jwal1992 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      That’s the metaphor; Don’s dealing with his demons and it’s distracting him. But he’s in a position of power, so he can do devilish things like leave a much better presentation in a cab and still get the sale.

    • @ch33mmers
      @ch33mmers หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can see that Ginsberg's idea had the edge but both of them were pretty good, at least enough to make the sale. Don had been off his game for some time, while Ginsberg was doing the work. In the end only creative and 'those that get it' saw both and compared the quality. Don even tells Peggy that no one really understands the way that he believes the world should be perceived very much any more. Power trumps creativity in the long term in this show because it's easier. At this point Don goes the easier route because at this moment he isn't really being true to himself or his morals.

  • @StarOnTheWater
    @StarOnTheWater 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wasn't it the one with the idea he accidentally stole from seeing it somewhere?