So myself (and the algorithm) are loving all the Um Actually comments but I do want to make something clear. I know that you can grapple onto the Ogre to save yourself when he throws you, but I don't believe that makes him as an enemy THAT much better. My points still stand. This is still very very early in the game and remember - the purpose of these videos is to assess how a "noob" responds to early-game FromSoftware design. The difficulty curve between the rest of the opening and the Chained Ogre is the biggest jump BY FAR in any modern FromSoftware opening, and I believe that jump is too big. An early-game boss which can one-hit-kill you (in three different ways) ain't a good tutorial boss. Sekiro is still a great game. I LIKE SEKIRO. A LOT. But it's the most difficult learning curve of the three games she's played and I think that says something. Big love for the "engagement." For real, you all rock and I appreciate you being here.
very well put, I played all the souls games before sekiro and it took a very long time to get used to the flashy and fast combat mad respect for your girlfriend not (completely) losing her mind as a noob x)
I'm glad you broke the rule of not getting involved to help her. It shouldn't be constant, as that would defeat the purpose, but FromSoftware games are really inscrutable and can at times require a level of exploration that borders on absurd to obtain vital items. Occasionally jumping in to give her a bit of guidance doesn't bother me at all.
I agree, these games require a certain mind set and level of patience like no other. And while it breaks the noobus humanus curriculum, who hasn't used even the internet once in a while for Fromsoft even as a souls veteran.
@@TrueMakaveli50 My favorite part of a videogame is when the action is interrupted with reading. And half of the text doesn't mean anything to me because it's lore.
I wouldn’t have though that was even possible, and I get the feeling Monty didn’t either by his reaction! 🤣 I love seeing how new players to certain genres find some of the most baffling glitches and workarounds I wouldn’t have ever considered.
@@tanelviil9149 lol first of all it’s HIS girlfriend and HIS channel. Who are you to tell someone what they should and shouldn’t play just because of your opinion on these type of games?
Seriously wonderful. This series inspired me to get my girlfriend to play a few From games and it's so interesting how unintuitive things were to her that were intuitive to me as a lifelong gamer. Nothing about gender, all about separating the games mechanics from "gaming" mechanics that are baked in
I was pleasantly surprised to see how aggressive she was in the end, especially given her passive play style in the beginning. Also, Chained ogre and demon of hatred can blow me.
Yeah no! you definitely don't want a giant Lawrence the first vicar on steroids to "blow you" it wouldn't be fun for you or him, chain ogre tho (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ idk might be fun
@@jimit.4220 It is incredibly easy after you beat the game and know all it's systems but at that early you're still trying to figure out the game and you still don't really understand that this game is all about parrying. He killed me at least 15 times and then i just said "fuck that" and went through Hirata Estate, beat Lady Butterfly and then when i tried to do it, it wasn't that hard.
@@jimit.4220 It's easy after you know the game but it doesn't negate that Monty is right, that it's BS and isn't really in keeping with 99% of the games combat philosophy. The mini-boss on the other side of the fog wall behind the Ogre is a much better skill check boss for how the game seemingly wants us to play and yet that's optional. But even that's a problem in terms of design because FromSoft has given the player agency and mechanics to use other forms traversal and strategy of navigating the world. So she decided to use a lot of stealth but that is counter-productive when it's required to learn to fight a specific way to literally progress. That's a definite mistake by FromSoft. I love Sekiro and its combat is pure bliss for me but there's definite design choices I think are messy and confusing for lots of players. From's other games do a much better job signaling its design philosophy to the player and then remaining consistent in that philosophy.
@@RickyG93 "But games like that are definitely not for females , especially non gamer females." Poor guy doesn't even know how much this makes him seem like a 16 year old boy. Just because he doesn't like something it automatically becomes lame to everyone else 😂
I like that Sekiro spells out the tutorial info very clearly. On the other side, I fully agree that doing it in the middle of an attack chain is kinda crap design xD
I think the reason so many people find the chained ogre hard is because they don't realize that all his attacks aside from his two grab attacks can be parried/blocked. But everyone always try to dodge them like in dark souls.
So true...and his grab can be avoid by just simple back jump and grapple hook on his back,he will stagger easily.The true boss for noob is the bull and genichiro
@@aidenallen5922 out of the 6 good fromsoftware games you say the entire dark souls franchise and bloodborne. i cant deny i love ds 1 and ds3 and bloodborne but ds2 was by far my least favorite fromsoftware game
ds2 is great, it's about how you think about it, I used to think it was the worst but now I think about it differently. on it's own it's a pretty great game
I didn't realize it but in my first playthrough, when you get the bell and are able to go back in time, I went through that whole sequence completely. So my very first boss wasn't the ogre but Lady Butterfly and the drunk before her. I think that might be why Sekiro ended up "clicking" for me so much faster and why I absolutely adore it. Lady Butterfly is hard but teaches you far better the typical fight of Sekiro and helps you learn to interweave the shinobi skills with your attacks to great effect. I wonder if she wouldn't have been so frustrated if she went that route instead first. The ogre is a little less frustrating if you have already had an entire levels worth of experience under your belt.
It's insane! I've discovered just today your channel with "I Made My Girlfriend Play Dark Souls/Bloodborne" and suddenly here we are with the new video!
Although i have many more hours on Fromsofts other games, i think Sekiro is their “Best” game, its very fluid, and that first playthrough experiencing all the things is really nice. Its not their most replayable or the biggest game, but i was amazed by it the most on my first run not knowing anything. I can see why some wouldnt like it though.
I don't know It tells you all the mechanics it has, except that if you hold block, you empty your stance bar faster, which is so vital. Dodging becomes close to irrelevant until you need it and well you forgot it exists It feels like the game has 5 diffrent mini bosses, but 20+ minibosses. After it clicks, the game gets really easy. F.e. I beat Owl (father) and Isshin both in 3 tries. And it was never "Damn they're so hard, I can't do this" and I had so many of thoose moments in DS, etc. B4 that well it took me several attempts and a ~40min fight to beat butterfly in my first playthrough, on NG+ not even 5min. Most of the moves you accquire feel not good/ worth using Dragon rot sounds scary, but at least I didn't die a lot afterwards, cuz I trained my parrying with the guy at the starring area It's linear and short It feels great playing the game, and I love Owl(father), but it def. lacks sth. for me.
@@quiringuenther6594 It definitely lacks some variation, by the time you get a lot of the interesting tools you could have finished the game and honestly one of fromsofts problems is the amount of time they copy paste bosses. A first playthrough of Sekiro can be fun, but on the second you really realise how many minibosses and even bosses are just the same.
@@quiringuenther6594 I played sekiro NG+ without kuro's charm and with the bell demon, and the game literally changed. I no longer could spam deflect at enemies and wish for the best. Now i had to use the prosthetic, learn boss pattern. You played sekiro on easy mode, so ofc it's going to be easier and the mechanics of the game less important.
Im surprised everyone here says its not that repleyable, literally the only fromsoft game where I have gotten past NG+4 its just so satisfying to learn and master the deflects and counters and breeze through the game without farming for the weapon you like or leveling up stats apart from the extra skills.
@@Kampfender_Krieger that's how it works yes. Standard NG sekiro is hard until you beat either lady butterfly or genichiro and the deflect mechanic clicks in your head. After that you can enjoy the game. But the true easy mode is when you use gokan's candy / spiritfall, as it reduces stance loss on block, effectively allowing you to comfortably block moves you aren't confident in deflecting. But charmless + bell demon is the real sekiro. And the true hardcore sekiro is charmless + bell demon + no health and no damage upgrades. I'm currently stuck somewhere in midgame and just can't be bothered to continue xD.
15:55 The justification for enemies respawning? What are you talking about? Enemies don't have dragon's blood resurrection or anything like it. It's the justification for Wolf respawning, not the enemies.
I am a major fan of Sekiro and I feel that it being a nice combo between tactical stealth and timing is what I enjoyed the most however I feel that the learning curve of the chained ogre being the first major boss was too much even for me as a long time fromsoft fan but once you conquer that boss it’s an amazing game in my opinion.
@@MontyZander I think the point of the Ogre's difficulty is to get you to explore Hirata as the flame barrel makes him much easier, so in From's mind shinobi Hunter was probably the tutorial boss.
@@Wolven6 I feel like he might cave and start backseat gaming that or would get frustrated, but then again we don't know how elden ring will truly play and be so very fun to think of how it might go
I fucking love it when people push past the initial gratingly relentless difficult and steep learning curve of each of these games. I’ve yet to play Demon Souls but I’ve completed Ds1 Ds2 Ds3 Bloodborne and as of recently Sekiro Literally stuck on the last boss (sword saint) for about two weeks, didn’t give up but god damn Sekiro can really kick the fight out of you and you have to keep trying with pure blinding persistence and you will reap your reward; your hands will shake, your heart will leap and your voice will roar! Praise The Sun Hesitation is Defeat Don’t you Dare go Hollow Grant us Eyes Ashen One ❤️
But there is no reward? You just need to do it again and again in Sekiro? No items, no levels, no new weapons? You're just stuck on an endless parry simulator and the only thing that can get you through is getting lucky enough to parry every single enemy attack.
@@JakeNukem3D You gain health for every 4 prayer beads you collect, and every boss allows you to increase attack power. You also can unlock new techniques, and you've got a lot of prosthetic tools. Firecrackers that can stun massive bosses, the mist raven for dodging, a huge metal hat for blocking, short katana to combo with your main katana, an axe, a spear, shurikens, and a whistle that I never bothered to use. Plus there's some new techniques you can learn, but unfortunately you can only have one equipped at a time, but they're all very useful in their own way. Sekiro definitely doesn't allow you to get as creative with your character, but you gotta remember that the good thing is that you don't have to worry about ruining your character accidentally. I had to restart Dark Souls after I made it to Anor Londo because I had destroyed my character with poor leveling and weapon upgrade decisions. It was pure luck that I didn't have the same issue in Demon's Souls way back when it came out. All you need in Sekiro is sharp reflexes, and the ability to memorize your opponents attacks. It's ultimately far more satisfying because you HAVE to use skill to win, you can't bust out crystal soulspear and blast through a boss, and you can't summon other players to walk you through the whole area and crush the boss for you.
@Duke_TV huh? But DS1 is so easy though, found DS3 much harder. It's only feels like it could be more "difficult" because of outdated mechanics and systems like the 4 directional dodge system it has.
@@Volthoom Gundyr the tutorial boss was super difficult when I was a new player though. I rage quit multiple times. Now that I’ve finished the game now I can kick his ass even as a brand new character
Really the mechanics of the troll encourage perfect blocks. The attack patterns and the music of the scene inspire panic and lead the player to run rather than face the chained ogre. If you try to doge any attack other than the grab you are punished by near perfect tracking and high damage.
I think telling her that reading the tutorials would’ve been appropriate and in the end made her experience more enjoyable. I couldn’t imagine playing through this game without knowing what the Mikiri counter was and how to use it lol.
The ogre killed me more than any other boss my first playthrough. I remember trying him over and over for hours. I just couldn't get it. I pressed on without the flame barrel, and once I found him I was too stubborn to retreat and prepare. The grabs in Sekiro are one of my only complaints. If they had a direct counter like tge other perilous attacks, it would be better. One of my favorite games ever
i honestly think she we be doing great playing ds2 , than ds3 , because in 2 shields tactics actually are useful and rewarding , the game really shines when playing it slow
I’m still in shock she actually killed Cleric Beast while having to start from so far away. Chained Ogre is so much easier compared to that. Cool video!
I actually found that boss easier than the ogre in this game. I killed the cleric beast first try where as the ogre took me a couple tries. But by no means are both considered easy when you first start playing
cleric beast just SEEM to be harder because its way bigger and sometimes you cant see whats going on. but when you only concentrate on the movesets and hitboxes.. cleric beast is a walk in the park. you just dont have to get intimidated by its size. the oger in sekiro has a freakin aimbot in compare lol
@@ghostslayer8479 Oh yeah, the beauty of sekiro as well I feel is your second playthrough when you go against the chained ogre it's basically a cakewalk which is both a good and bad thing for sekiro I love sekiro is my second favourite fromsoft game but once you beat it once, chances are most things become super easy which is why I feel sekiro was 100% a passion project and was testing out new mechanics which will be played around with more in future games they make
@@samuelhernandez2752 The ogre has only two grab attacks the one where ge bends over and picks you up and the other where he launches at you, every other attack is parryable. And those are more than 1% lul, more like 75%. You definitely wanna parry the ogre.
When you “get gud” at this game it just so beautiful cause it feels like both warriors are dancing while fighting! I can’t believe some people don’t like it!! I thought it was a masterpiece👏🏽❤️
Well, some people care more about choices and cosmetic in a combat game than they care about the actual combat. This game has the best combat, IMO. Dark Souls combat is a little shallow. A little.
@@TeQkSs Of all games from from software, Sekiro was the hardest in my opinion and Dark souls 3 was my favorite. Bloodborne is okay for me but I love souls game better.
I've been planning on my girlfriend doing her first Dark Souls run here soon. This little series has fully convinced me to have her try it out here soon.
I'm so glad i stumbled upon this channel back when i started playing Soulsborne, i heavily relate to a lot of the panic and noob tendancies of the aptly named Noobus in this video and the previous entries, I also entirely relate to the way Souls gets it's hooks into you whether you like it or not. Great editing, great voiceover and great laughs. P.s: Give the Noobus her wish and let her play DS3.
Sekiro is actually my favorite out of all of the Fromsoft games (granted, I haven't played Demon Souls or DS3 yet). I used to think Bloodborne was the best one. It was my favorite until I played this.
Dark souls 3 has some trashy areas but the bosses are some of the best. Dlc bosses are also pretty good. Only a couple of bad bosses but then some if the best
@@omarfelix5287 DS1 was my favorite until I played Bloodborne. Definitely recommend playing it. Though it might be hard to go back to stamina and the slower combat of the older games after playing Sekiro lol
I love Sekiro, probably the only Fromsoft game I actually properly replayed, the others I just played with friends or PVP only, they're not enjoyable for me. DS3 specifically just felt like spastic trash to me. literally anyone can complete if they just throw themselves at it enough. Ironically DS2 has the most thought put into its gameplay design but also the worst execution overall because of its development. It's a shame, really.
I wish you’d have told her about the combat trainer by the temple and encouraged her to practice with the prosthetics. I think she would’ve beaten the boss then.
When the ogre throws you off the cliff you can grapple onto the wooden plank on its back to save yourself. Feels pretty great when you come back from certain death like that.
Is it just me or is the sword violence in this game especially brutal? Every time an execution or whatever takes place I say “Jesus fuck” to myself and hold whatever area was just stabbed through it’s so gnarly
Yeah Chained Ogre is in that weird spot where it's hard not to call him a bullshit boss. He's the first "proper" bossfight, and yet the way you fight him doesn't, even remotely, prepare you for the rest of the game's bosses (outside of _maybe_ Demon of Hatred and even that's debatable). He's so out of place in both mechanics and his positioning within the game's structure.
there is a very easy mechanic known as dodging that makes him a big joke i think it’s just a tutorial to show how bullshit all grab attacks are in the game
i struggeled with chained oger too but i think its meant to teach you, that you can find items to help you in different places sometimes, so you need to explore and also that parry is not all but you also need to bloodborne some enemys =) also seemed like a reminder that every time you think you "got it" and you now know what the game is about, it will throw something at you, that will destroy you and need to adapt. One thing i only noticed in this video is how the game sets up some similar enemys before bossfights - like the small ogre before the chained ogre or the minibossfight before genichiros first encounter, that will refine a specific skill (ogre =dodging, before genichiro = parrying really fast). Never actively thought about that in my own playtrough.
@@obscure.reference yeah I think it also show that you are playing as a ninja without stamina bar, don't stand still, run, thats how I beat him at 3rd try I think (same as others, got thrown down the cliff when I got too greedy) 2 hit, dodge, 2 hit, dodge, continue and he is 1 of the easiest boss
8:33 Imagine playing COD , you're overwhelmed but pepper, zoned in with adrenaline in these fights and a posted note blue balls you mid-fight to tell you something. It's like Jar Jar Binks.(12:50 lol) It's annoying. Sometimes, you don't need to pause, you need to use that energy, burn up that curiosity, and when you've done so, like Bloodborne, you'll have gotten a helpful hint in how to pay better. Not when you deciding to amp up your cortisol for some blood-pumping action or some lip-chewing stealth.
Her tenacity is as impressive as always. I hope at some point you'll pick out something she can try that's really stealth and ambush heavy to see how she takes to it, since that seems to be the playstyle she gravitates to.
Good watch as always. If I’m honest it went how I’d expected but I’m gutted she didn’t enjoy the same as Dark Souls. I voted for Sekiro out of curiosity more than anything as to how she’d feel about the mechanics in comparison and I got my answer. Thank you again!
I think not guiding her or explaining things hampered her enjoyment considerably. It may have been more crucial for this game than the others. In general, though, I think letting her figure everything out on her own just makes these hard games even harder than they need to be. Maybe some time in the future have her revisit this, but help her understand that she needs to read the tutorial boxes (which, like you, I appreciate popping up during gameplay since Fromsoft games can be relatively vague), and if she plays in a way that hampers her progression at "gitting gud" then encourage her to engage the enemies more or outright tell her that if she ignores smaller challenges that are designed to help her hone her skills she'll have an incredibly difficult time dealing with major hurdles on her journey. Also, have her play a full game, please lol
And, next up is DS3. My first souls game I beat, and my personal favorite of the 3. It'll be fun to see her adapt to the fast and reckless world of lothric
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. While I can see one positive effect by being idle and not help her, I think this passive approach is a bit stupid really in the context of these videos, especially giving the obvious fact that your girlfriend did not understand how to properly play the game. And I’m not talking about the execution of the moves, I’m talking about the mechanics and understanding what they are and what they imply. Maybe the game wouldn't become so frustrating or almost an exercise in futility if you focus on, instead of execution of moves, on the way you approach the fight overall. Sekiro, by contrast to other from games, does prefer a more singular combat style, which can eventually be very much expended upon by the inclusion of the prosthetic. But until then, you have to understand the basics and be able to apply them. From what I saw, besides hitting the sword and the occasional parry, every fight was almost randomly approached, jumped and dodged randomly, even the 40th time. Which lead to, guess what, failing that fight for the 40th time. Perhaps your role should better be to get her to understand the rules, the ones that really matter, like game mechanics. Not how well was a wrong move executed. As a note, the ogre’s moves are not that wonky as it may appear. His grab attack where he’s jumping forwards is not a grab attack at all, it’s a sweep attack, which must be jumped over. His close grab can be easily dodged if you’re not already hitting him greedily when he does the move.,And while I can see someone making the argument that visually it doesn't appear that way, if dodging it doesn't seem to help, perhaps try something else? Why do the same thing dozens of times even though it clearly doesn't work? I like the idea of this series, but I think that videos like this should be only the first step. A second step would be to make your gf understand what exactly she could improve, and try her to improve just those things, nothing else. For example, she didn't really lose the ogre fight 40 times, what she did was she got hit hundred of times in the exact same ways. So maybe, instead of focusing on winning the fight, maybe teach her to focus on not getting hit, on trying different evasion tactics, of animation timing etc. Things that might not be obvious to non gaming folk. Because if she understands all that, than maybe she wont feel so overwhelmed by it all.
Holy fuck finally someone else says it. I understand not wanting to backseat game but as this dude above said. Paraphrasing "Its not about the execution its about understanding the underlying mechanics and more importantly what they imply". Intentionally letting her brush off every single tutorial pop up felt like she was set up for failure. A simple 30 second rereading the tutorial popup and then a discussion with you about "hey why is the game telling you this, this is how this explanation applies to the game". This lack of effort put into trying to understand game mechanics, on top of the fact that you don't correct her when she incorrectly assumes other mechanics, such as making noise in the grass, or that jumping back is the best way to dodge feels like she is just being put on display, like "look here, watch this completely new player get frustrated!" which obviously is supposed to be the point, but more in a mean spirited kind of way, she isn't being frustrated because she can't beat the game through her own skill (imo the best kind of frustration), she is being frustrated because she refuses to engage with the mechanics, seemingly isn't allowed to ask for help or which mechanics even matter and is set up for failure. Also maybe set some expectations before you have her start the game? She wasn't told that Sekiro is a single guy and you only get to play as him with just his weapon. That seems like a pretty big oversight for the expectations between games. Anyone who buys Sekiro with the intention of playing it (yes even noobs like your wife) would have looked at the game once or twice before purchasing it and learned at least that much. I get new players especially will try to engage with the game in ways that obviously wouldn't work and will be punished for it. Sekiro has one main way to play, even if you can get creative as fuck through all of the weapon arts, timings, prosthetics and movement, you still HAVE to play it in one main style when you get to the bosses, fighting 1 on 1 blocking, striking, dodging but most importantly PARRYING. If you are going to continue this series please take a look back on it and maybe change some of the rules so that it is an enjoyable experience for your wife. I want to watch a new player learn, grow and improve, slowly coming to understand and appreciate any given games mechanics (assuming its a well made game), not slam their head against a wall (ogre) 40 times in a row because the first time they tried it they accidently chipped off a bit of paint and assumed it worked. That might be a crude metaphor and I don't want to imply that she is stupid, because she clearly isn't. But you put her in the room, said "knock down that wall", shut the door and then left. She didn't know she was allowed to leave the room, get a sledgehammer and then come back. The new player experience should be learning how to use the sledgehammer, not breaking down a wall without one.
From Software games need to be learned alone. It requires a lot of suffering and that you find the solutions by yourself. Teach the game to anyone and he'll lose 90% of the the interest.
I am always somewhat surprised by how few know how omni-effective parrying is. They confuse it with blocking. You can go the entire game not using the Mikiri Counter because you can parry red attacks.
Well, you can parry thrusts at least, I feel like a lot of people really underestimate the umbrella in this game. You can absolutely invalidate grabs and pierces with it for only 1 emblem. Anyways, you don't need Mikiri, but damn if it ain't one of the most satisfying things to do.
I’ve been a bit wracked by resurfacing long-term COVID effects, so yesterday I went down a TH-cam rabbit-hole. I found your Noobus Humanus series and, being a massive fan of FromSoftware games, decided to give them a watch. Firstly I’ll say that I love these videos. Both your girlfriend and yourself are absolute riots, and watching her play is a lot of fun. What I also really appreciate though is your thorough examination of the gameplay! It was great, and afterwards I watched the Q&A video, curious as to when your next video like this would be. Funnily enough, I was surprised to see this one uploaded today, and again it was a blast to watch. I know though that this isn’t the bulk of your content, so I went to watch some more of your critiques, and man, such great content here! I especially love your Hollow Knight critique- one of my all-time favorite games. If anything, you’ve earned a new sub. I was surprised to see that this channel was still relatively new and upcoming- the amount of care and effort you put into these videos is top tier professional. Keep up the excellent work and I’m eager to see where this goes! Oh, and good luck with the move. :D
On the tutorial pop-ups, I have to say they the worst part of Sekiro. by a mile. Not only are they intrusive and flow breaking, they CANNOT BE TURNED OFF! this was clearly something that fromsoft were told to do by activation because they thought the game was ''too confusing'' and it sucks so much. it makes me want to have the option of just skipping the opening and going straight to the sculptor. what's more, it happens at the worst times, namely in the middle of combat where the last thing you want to do is read something. they could have at least had them pop up after you die the first time, so then it's a learning experience, not just an annoyance. great vid btw. DS3 will be a blast to watch I'm sure.
I really don't get this point. They freeze time. I never once felt like they were an intrusion. On subsequent playthroughs I just skip them as soon as they appear anyway, they are only there for the beginning.
@@henrikfitch4017 does the real world freeze every now and then to tell you about how sword fights work? freezing time IS the problem. I don't want my gameplay to stop without my consent.
@@Rassalcon Yeah but it's a few seconds and it will make you better understand the game and the importance of certain mechanics. It literally isn't a nuisance at all because whatever was happening before will still happen just as soon as you finish reading. It takes maybe a total of 1 minute out of the game for ALL of the tutorials to be read. It literally happens before the combat actually starts, telling you something that will undoubtedly make the right easier, not harder. Also your point about real world things is just laughable
@@henrikfitch4017 I see your point. but everything you've said is why I don't like it. learning tools are only as good as their presentation and THAT is what sucks. it's not a problem of time wasted, it's a problem of momentum and control. it's like driving a car at 60mph and having wall appear in front of you, forcing you to crash into it, and then vanishing and speeding your car back up to 60. it's jarring, and more importantly, avoidable.
@@Rassalcon If a tutorial popup is "worst part of Sekiro. by a mile." then you don't have any legitimate complaints about the game. It gives the player important knowledge of the core mechanics that you will need for the entire game. It's there to make sure the less than optimally bright players recognize it and uses it. Apparently, this doesn't work as the girlfriend demonstrated.
Its not "unfair" its simply knowing how to dodge which attack, for Jump Grab you dodge 2 times backward, and for the stand still attack you dodge sideways. I really like your vids, keep it up
Finally convinced my best friend to buy this -- my favorite game ever at the time -- and this was almost his exact experience. 🤦♂️ He couldn't have had less fun with it 🤣
I personally had the most trouble, on my first playthrough, with Giant Ape, Demon of Hatred, and, believe it or not, Lone Shadow Longswordsman. I still hadn't properly figured out the game mechanics by the time I found LSL, and the really confined space you fight him in kept making me get stuck or be unable to see. Eventually I mastered the game and now the ninja/longswordsman enemy types are my absolute favorite to go against. Hitting every perfect deflect on one of their combos is the best feeling.
I really don’t appreciate how everyone swears that ds or bloodbourne are so much more “diverse” than sekiro. Yeah it doesn’t have different classes, but Sekiro literally introduces so many more mechanics to its gameplay that I think previous bias just influences what you all say
I think it's having the feeling of personal agency about how one can play the game vs Sekiro's set mechanics that if used properly you could git gud. People like being a big tank man with a giant hammer or club, or a naked and skittering weirdo with a knife, or a legit knight, or rogue. It's all of DS's options vs Sekiro's set gameplay.
@@coreydaprince in Bloodborne though you can still have that illusion of choice. You can be an ex soldier with hard hitting weapons or a regal gentleman out on the hunt with his cane. An insane doctor. All these things come with perhaps minor variations of play, but they are present. In Sekiro you are Wolf. Like it or not. No weapons, no armour, no character customisation. People like the choice the other games offer and it IS lacking in Sekiro. That doesnt mean it's a bad game, but it is lacking aspects people like. It absolutely IS less diverse than Souls or Bloodborne because you play thorough the game the same way each time. Something that you do not have to do in the other games.
Shame ogre filtered her, genichiro is peak fromsoft boss battle Fuck that grab attack tho, lord knows I got chucked off the edge for 2 days first time I played it
It makes me irrationally mad to see people skip through tutorial screens saying “I know” or “that’s annoying” then complaining that they don’t know what to do or getting confused by what’s on screen. I just… I just CAN’T
So myself (and the algorithm) are loving all the Um Actually comments but I do want to make something clear.
I know that you can grapple onto the Ogre to save yourself when he throws you, but I don't believe that makes him as an enemy THAT much better. My points still stand. This is still very very early in the game and remember - the purpose of these videos is to assess how a "noob" responds to early-game FromSoftware design. The difficulty curve between the rest of the opening and the Chained Ogre is the biggest jump BY FAR in any modern FromSoftware opening, and I believe that jump is too big. An early-game boss which can one-hit-kill you (in three different ways) ain't a good tutorial boss.
Sekiro is still a great game. I LIKE SEKIRO. A LOT. But it's the most difficult learning curve of the three games she's played and I think that says something.
Big love for the "engagement." For real, you all rock and I appreciate you being here.
very well put, I played all the souls games before sekiro and it took a very long time to get used to the flashy and fast combat
mad respect for your girlfriend not (completely) losing her mind as a noob x)
love these videos man, keep it up :)
I feel that gascoigne is a bigger jump but I see what you mean
I think your criticisms are largely valid. The Ogre would've been more suitable for just before Gyoubu.
Please make her GOD OF WAR(2018) 🙏🙏, i really wanna know her reaction ❤️
I'm already waiting for "I made my girlfriend play Elden Ring". I doubt I can even imagine it
OoooooOooo elden ring
shattered by something or someone
Look up the wait time till release . . . IT BUUUuurrns!
it’s quite hard to imagine something that doesn’t exist
@@obscure.reference it exist, they already showed gameplay, they just didn't release it yet, probably they're optimizing the game for consoles.
I'm glad you broke the rule of not getting involved to help her. It shouldn't be constant, as that would defeat the purpose, but FromSoftware games are really inscrutable and can at times require a level of exploration that borders on absurd to obtain vital items. Occasionally jumping in to give her a bit of guidance doesn't bother me at all.
I agree, these games require a certain mind set and level of patience like no other. And while it breaks the noobus humanus curriculum, who hasn't used even the internet once in a while for Fromsoft even as a souls veteran.
Agreed.
It’s not the game’s fault that she didn’t read the information plastered on the screen lol
@@TrueMakaveli50 People who aren’t used to playing games can’t absorb information as easily as gamers.
@@TrueMakaveli50 My favorite part of a videogame is when the action is interrupted with reading. And half of the text doesn't mean anything to me because it's lore.
Game: Toggle wall hug
Her: Ah yes, the wall jump
I wouldn’t have though that was even possible, and I get the feeling Monty didn’t either by his reaction! 🤣
I love seeing how new players to certain genres find some of the most baffling glitches and workarounds I wouldn’t have ever considered.
She then proceeds to use a move that speedrunners use instead of hugging it lol
@@huffabubba7041 maybe she’s a hidden pro :D
it's more like ;
Game: Toggle wall hug
Her : Ah yes, a speed run technic
@@tanelviil9149 lol first of all it’s HIS girlfriend and HIS channel. Who are you to tell someone what they should and shouldn’t play just because of your opinion on these type of games?
I really appreciate that this is more of an examination into game design rather than just “girl pay fromsoft game lolol”
Although that would still be pretty good
Because you’d hate to see a female play a game you can’t play?
Seriously wonderful. This series inspired me to get my girlfriend to play a few From games and it's so interesting how unintuitive things were to her that were intuitive to me as a lifelong gamer. Nothing about gender, all about separating the games mechanics from "gaming" mechanics that are baked in
@@thegitgudgrrl you'll qualify for the Olympics jumping to conclusions like that, hun
@@thegitgudgrrl wtf xd
"[She] returned to where she was the most comfortable: up hight and out of sight"
Ahh... a true Shinobi I see...
A true Kenobi.
@@t1glistenerelf General Shinobi
@@t1glistenerelfKinda fits her playstyle though. "I have the high ground!" *stealth skrike*
"Well that was unfair"
Every Sekiro player facing up against the Ogre on the first playthrough.
idk i beat the ogre first try after stealth blow and oil
It is, fuck that thing and it's black hole of a grab attack.
I beat it second try. I don't know why people struggle with the grab. You just have to get out of the way. It's not that hard.
@@danielantony1882 wow. You're so much better than us. You're different and special. Congratulations. I'm clapping for you. Really, congrats.
@@horacehorace6793 I think you missed the point of my reply.
This is some good shit. I appreciate that it’s framed as a “noob” playing and not “hurr derr, chick plays hard game.”
Normie plays videogame
I assumed that everyone here watched Razbuten’s videos, but it seems like that’s not the case?
I was pleasantly surprised to see how aggressive she was in the end, especially given her passive play style in the beginning. Also, Chained ogre and demon of hatred can blow me.
Yeah no! you definitely don't want a giant Lawrence the first vicar on steroids to "blow you" it wouldn't be fun for you or him, chain ogre tho (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧ idk might be fun
Chained ogre is seriously easy as piss. Y'all are retarded.
That fight is a message to the player.
"DON'T TRY TO DODGE EVERYTHING!"
Chained ogre can be beaten easily by a very easy speedrunner strat. It takes no more than a minute
@@jimit.4220 It is incredibly easy after you beat the game and know all it's systems but at that early you're still trying to figure out the game and you still don't really understand that this game is all about parrying. He killed me at least 15 times and then i just said "fuck that" and went through Hirata Estate, beat Lady Butterfly and then when i tried to do it, it wasn't that hard.
@@jimit.4220 It's easy after you know the game but it doesn't negate that Monty is right, that it's BS and isn't really in keeping with 99% of the games combat philosophy. The mini-boss on the other side of the fog wall behind the Ogre is a much better skill check boss for how the game seemingly wants us to play and yet that's optional. But even that's a problem in terms of design because FromSoft has given the player agency and mechanics to use other forms traversal and strategy of navigating the world. So she decided to use a lot of stealth but that is counter-productive when it's required to learn to fight a specific way to literally progress. That's a definite mistake by FromSoft. I love Sekiro and its combat is pure bliss for me but there's definite design choices I think are messy and confusing for lots of players. From's other games do a much better job signaling its design philosophy to the player and then remaining consistent in that philosophy.
Your girlfriend is hilarious. The kind where it doesn't seem like she's always aware of it. The best kind.
Agreed, at least humor wise a definite keeper but I'm sure he knows that
It's called scottish
@@tanelviil9149 Bro shut up you don't know what you're talking about
@@RickyG93 "But games like that are definitely not for females , especially non gamer females." Poor guy doesn't even know how much this makes him seem like a 16 year old boy. Just because he doesn't like something it automatically becomes lame to everyone else 😂
@@tanelviil9149 what a douche, I'm a female and I love souls game dude, and I finished them -.-
“No one’s here... fuck off!!” was my mantra throughout this entire game 🤣
I like that Sekiro spells out the tutorial info very clearly.
On the other side, I fully agree that doing it in the middle of an attack chain is kinda crap design xD
Agreed. I believe the intention was to force the player to block later than usual, hence, tricking them into doing a perfect deflection.
Me, and my friends use it as a betting system, on which blade gonna hit first the me or the mob, everytime it happens.
Tutorials appears when you it needs to. I had no problem with it because it was clearly done to help the player.
It's actually genius game design because it shows you exactly the right moments where you should use said move.
while its "annoying" its WAY better than a msg in the middle of the action(without freezing the action) and you have to read WHILE fighting) lol
I love how there is cussing and cursing in this video, AND the video is still monetized. Just like old TH-cam, back to 2013..
It's confused by the accent lmao
Shhhh! Lol👌
It’s cause TH-cam is a MASSIVE simp.
I think the reason so many people find the chained ogre hard is because they don't realize that all his attacks aside from his two grab attacks can be parried/blocked. But everyone always try to dodge them like in dark souls.
So true...and his grab can be avoid by just simple back jump and grapple hook on his back,he will stagger easily.The true boss for noob is the bull and genichiro
You gotta change girlfriend for the next episodes, she isn't a noobus humanus anymore.
Decentus Humanus
It's evolving...
Adequatous humanus
"I made my gf speedrun dark souls 3" next
Omg these comments are gold 😂
Darksouls 3 is my personal favorite so I'm looking forward to it
1-3 are the best,but maybe bloodborne-3
@@aidenallen5922 out of the 6 good fromsoftware games you say the entire dark souls franchise and bloodborne. i cant deny i love ds 1 and ds3 and bloodborne but ds2 was by far my least favorite fromsoftware game
@@animeloser3201 agreed, Ds2 was a new level of frustration
ds2 is great, it's about how you think about it, I used to think it was the worst but now I think about it differently.
on it's own it's a pretty great game
heheh, Warped Sword and Ivory SS go spin
"My beer is not cold enough." is such a fucking mood, thats how I feel everytime I play league of legends.
Had me in the first half
@@AndreasFox101 felt the second half
I didn't realize it but in my first playthrough, when you get the bell and are able to go back in time, I went through that whole sequence completely. So my very first boss wasn't the ogre but Lady Butterfly and the drunk before her. I think that might be why Sekiro ended up "clicking" for me so much faster and why I absolutely adore it. Lady Butterfly is hard but teaches you far better the typical fight of Sekiro and helps you learn to interweave the shinobi skills with your attacks to great effect. I wonder if she wouldn't have been so frustrated if she went that route instead first. The ogre is a little less frustrating if you have already had an entire levels worth of experience under your belt.
Absolutely agree on this point. Lady B was my first true boss. So glad I went that direction compared to the chained ogre route.
she was my first quit point, with that many fake deaths, when i reinstalled the game killing her made me love the game
It's insane! I've discovered just today your channel with "I Made My Girlfriend Play Dark Souls/Bloodborne" and suddenly here we are with the new video!
Same. TH-cam algorithm blessing him
Although i have many more hours on Fromsofts other games, i think Sekiro is their “Best” game, its very fluid, and that first playthrough experiencing all the things is really nice. Its not their most replayable or the biggest game, but i was amazed by it the most on my first run not knowing anything.
I can see why some wouldnt like it though.
I don't know
It tells you all the mechanics it has, except that if you hold block, you empty your stance bar faster, which is so vital.
Dodging becomes close to irrelevant until you need it and well you forgot it exists
It feels like the game has 5 diffrent mini bosses, but 20+ minibosses.
After it clicks, the game gets really easy. F.e. I beat Owl (father) and Isshin both in 3 tries. And it was never "Damn they're so hard, I can't do this" and I had so many of thoose moments in DS, etc. B4 that well it took me several attempts and a ~40min fight to beat butterfly in my first playthrough, on NG+ not even 5min.
Most of the moves you accquire feel not good/ worth using
Dragon rot sounds scary, but at least I didn't die a lot afterwards, cuz I trained my parrying with the guy at the starring area
It's linear and short
It feels great playing the game, and I love Owl(father), but it def. lacks sth. for me.
@@quiringuenther6594 It definitely lacks some variation, by the time you get a lot of the interesting tools you could have finished the game and honestly one of fromsofts problems is the amount of time they copy paste bosses.
A first playthrough of Sekiro can be fun, but on the second you really realise how many minibosses and even bosses are just the same.
@@quiringuenther6594 I played sekiro NG+ without kuro's charm and with the bell demon, and the game literally changed. I no longer could spam deflect at enemies and wish for the best. Now i had to use the prosthetic, learn boss pattern.
You played sekiro on easy mode, so ofc it's going to be easier and the mechanics of the game less important.
Im surprised everyone here says its not that repleyable, literally the only fromsoft game where I have gotten past NG+4 its just so satisfying to learn and master the deflects and counters and breeze through the game without farming for the weapon you like or leveling up stats apart from the extra skills.
@@Kampfender_Krieger that's how it works yes. Standard NG sekiro is hard until you beat either lady butterfly or genichiro and the deflect mechanic clicks in your head. After that you can enjoy the game. But the true easy mode is when you use gokan's candy / spiritfall, as it reduces stance loss on block, effectively allowing you to comfortably block moves you aren't confident in deflecting.
But charmless + bell demon is the real sekiro.
And the true hardcore sekiro is charmless + bell demon + no health and no damage upgrades. I'm currently stuck somewhere in midgame and just can't be bothered to continue xD.
15:55 The justification for enemies respawning? What are you talking about? Enemies don't have dragon's blood resurrection or anything like it. It's the justification for Wolf respawning, not the enemies.
"Why do the enemies respawn in Sekiro?"
"Well, quite a few people live in Japan"
didn’t know what posture was until I got to genichiro ashina. Let’s just say it was a long and arduous battle on my mind.
I am a major fan of Sekiro and I feel that it being a nice combo between tactical stealth and timing is what I enjoyed the most however I feel that the learning curve of the chained ogre being the first major boss was too much even for me as a long time fromsoft fan but once you conquer that boss it’s an amazing game in my opinion.
Can't agree more. Once you get past the Chained Ogre it becomes a really magical experience imo.
@@MontyZander I think the point of the Ogre's difficulty is to get you to explore Hirata as the flame barrel makes him much easier, so in From's mind shinobi Hunter was probably the tutorial boss.
@@majeedmamah7457 that was the mini boss that i got stuck on for a good while, until i got down the mikiri counters
The chained ogre feels like the culmination of a tutorial that they forgot to put in.
@@majeedmamah7457 is the guy after you free kuro right at the start of the game not the tutorial boss?
When Elden Ring comes out, let Her play it first without you playing it.
Unacceptable, he must experience it in a blind run, firsthand. It's a fromsoft game, gotta make the most out of every first playthrough.
if her plays the game first, then her can analyze how him learn the game.
That sounds like it could be an unconventionally interesting experience.
That could be interesting but at the same time I can also see the point of wanting a totally blind first playthru as well
@@Wolven6 I feel like he might cave and start backseat gaming that or would get frustrated, but then again we don't know how elden ring will truly play and be so very fun to think of how it might go
I fucking love it when people push past the initial gratingly relentless difficult and steep learning curve of each of these games. I’ve yet to play Demon Souls but I’ve completed Ds1 Ds2 Ds3 Bloodborne and as of recently Sekiro
Literally stuck on the last boss (sword saint) for about two weeks, didn’t give up but god damn Sekiro can really kick the fight out of you and you have to keep trying with pure blinding persistence and you will reap your reward; your hands will shake, your heart will leap and your voice will roar!
Praise The Sun
Hesitation is Defeat
Don’t you Dare go Hollow
Grant us Eyes
Ashen One ❤️
After trying to defeat inner isshin for so goddamn many times, I've practically perfected his dialogue.
BEARER SEEK SEEK LEST
Took me a good day to beat isshin
But there is no reward? You just need to do it again and again in Sekiro? No items, no levels, no new weapons? You're just stuck on an endless parry simulator and the only thing that can get you through is getting lucky enough to parry every single enemy attack.
@@JakeNukem3D You gain health for every 4 prayer beads you collect, and every boss allows you to increase attack power. You also can unlock new techniques, and you've got a lot of prosthetic tools. Firecrackers that can stun massive bosses, the mist raven for dodging, a huge metal hat for blocking, short katana to combo with your main katana, an axe, a spear, shurikens, and a whistle that I never bothered to use. Plus there's some new techniques you can learn, but unfortunately you can only have one equipped at a time, but they're all very useful in their own way.
Sekiro definitely doesn't allow you to get as creative with your character, but you gotta remember that the good thing is that you don't have to worry about ruining your character accidentally. I had to restart Dark Souls after I made it to Anor Londo because I had destroyed my character with poor leveling and weapon upgrade decisions. It was pure luck that I didn't have the same issue in Demon's Souls way back when it came out. All you need in Sekiro is sharp reflexes, and the ability to memorize your opponents attacks. It's ultimately far more satisfying because you HAVE to use skill to win, you can't bust out crystal soulspear and blast through a boss, and you can't summon other players to walk you through the whole area and crush the boss for you.
“Dark Souls 3? Ok!”
That should’ve raised her suspicion of the game.
Tbh, Vordt is easier than either Cleric Beast or Chained Ogre.
@@Volthoom What about The Lothric Knights ? I have to say DS3 takes a page from 2 when it comes to enemies .
The enemies in 3 are brutal .
@Duke_TV huh? But DS1 is so easy though, found DS3 much harder. It's only feels like it could be more "difficult" because of outdated mechanics and systems like the 4 directional dodge system it has.
@@Volthoom Gundyr the tutorial boss was super difficult when I was a new player though. I rage quit multiple times. Now that I’ve finished the game now I can kick his ass even as a brand new character
Speed run strats on the first wall hug, excited to see the any% time
"Yeah, i think you should go with him, kid, he fucking knows what hes doing" xD
Mr. Zander, you're a monster. I'm amazed your gf hasn't hollowed by now. You should totally co-op Ashen at some point.
30:48 respect for your gf of not rage quiting there. This pain gets physical.
Really the mechanics of the troll encourage perfect blocks. The attack patterns and the music of the scene inspire panic and lead the player to run rather than face the chained ogre. If you try to doge any attack other than the grab you are punished by near perfect tracking and high damage.
I think telling her that reading the tutorials would’ve been appropriate and in the end made her experience more enjoyable. I couldn’t imagine playing through this game without knowing what the Mikiri counter was and how to use it lol.
The ogre killed me more than any other boss my first playthrough. I remember trying him over and over for hours. I just couldn't get it. I pressed on without the flame barrel, and once I found him I was too stubborn to retreat and prepare. The grabs in Sekiro are one of my only complaints. If they had a direct counter like tge other perilous attacks, it would be better. One of my favorite games ever
-_gets called out by a guard_
-hiya
-_proceeds to murder the man with a single, cold, calculated strike_
I recommend you to make her play Dark Souls 2 after Dark Souls 3 , it would be VERY fun to see her play this one .
Yeah, Seeing her fight the last giant and pursuer would be amazing
i honestly think she we be doing great playing ds2 , than ds3 , because in 2 shields tactics actually are useful and rewarding , the game really shines when playing it slow
"No-one's here, fuck off" is actually the sound doorbells make in Scotland.
I’m still in shock she actually killed Cleric Beast while having to start from so far away. Chained Ogre is so much easier compared to that. Cool video!
It's a difference in gameplay. Sekiro is all about timing whereas soulsborne have a delay between the input and the action.
I actually found that boss easier than the ogre in this game. I killed the cleric beast first try where as the ogre took me a couple tries. But by no means are both considered easy when you first start playing
yeah nah, cleric beast is way easier than the chained ogre
cleric beast just SEEM to be harder because its way bigger and sometimes you cant see whats going on. but when you only concentrate on the movesets and hitboxes.. cleric beast is a walk in the park. you just dont have to get intimidated by its size. the oger in sekiro has a freakin aimbot in compare lol
@@ghostslayer8479 Oh yeah, the beauty of sekiro as well I feel is your second playthrough when you go against the chained ogre it's basically a cakewalk which is both a good and bad thing for sekiro I love sekiro is my second favourite fromsoft game but once you beat it once, chances are most things become super easy which is why I feel sekiro was 100% a passion project and was testing out new mechanics which will be played around with more in future games they make
"She wanted to play DS3." You better deliver that ENTIRE experience mang.
tbf everytime the ogre threw her there was the green icon she knew she could grapple to.
I remember a lot of people being bothered by the instructions during fights, with it being so immersion breaking
You can totally parry the ogre, though - except the red kanji ones obv
So you can parry.... the 1% of the attacks :)
@@samuelhernandez2752 The ogre has only two grab attacks the one where ge bends over and picks you up and the other where he launches at you, every other attack is parryable. And those are more than 1% lul, more like 75%. You definitely wanna parry the ogre.
@@samuelhernandez2752 Well, the ogre has 2 grabs, fast one and runnung one. As for other attacks he hes kicks, kick jump and punch. So no, not 1%.
“She guzzled a couple of Red Bull’s and we were back in the game” is the most gamer sentence I’ve ever heard in my life
When you “get gud” at this game it just so beautiful cause it feels like both warriors are dancing while fighting! I can’t believe some people don’t like it!! I thought it was a masterpiece👏🏽❤️
Well, some people care more about choices and cosmetic in a combat game than they care about the actual combat. This game has the best combat, IMO. Dark Souls combat is a little shallow. A little.
When you finally "get it" Geni-chan is incredibly fun to fight against.
That's the problem, that "dancing warriors" aren't the only enemies in the game 🤷
@@BioTheHuman You're free to not play it. No one said you have to like Japanese folklore.
@@danielantony1882 Liking japanese folklore has nothing to do with gameplay 😑
Bloodborne will always be my favorite… but damn did I find that combat satisfying! 🙂
@@drumzh41 u can just do psnow with controller
@@drumzh41 bloodborne honestly is very easy the hardest boss imo is Ludwig
@@TeQkSs Of all games from from software, Sekiro was the hardest in my opinion and Dark souls 3 was my favorite. Bloodborne is okay for me but I love souls game better.
@@DragonK8 Facts Sekiro First play through is brutal even tho im on Ng+7 Isshin still kicks my ass when i mess up😂😂
I agree, the rythmbased combat of sekiro was really something else.
I've been planning on my girlfriend doing her first Dark Souls run here soon. This little series has fully convinced me to have her try it out here soon.
Yeah honestly I hope she enjoys (or is even willing to give it a try)
fun note if u go on the ledge behind the chain ogre as hes breaking out u can get a stealth hit to take away the first bar of health.
I'm so glad i stumbled upon this channel back when i started playing Soulsborne, i heavily relate to a lot of the panic and noob tendancies of the aptly named Noobus in this video and the previous entries, I also entirely relate to the way Souls gets it's hooks into you whether you like it or not. Great editing, great voiceover and great laughs.
P.s: Give the Noobus her wish and let her play DS3.
The tutorial message didn't interrupt the stealth hit. She had already messed it up by attacking before the red bubble appeared.
“Oh how my blood boils, COME SEKIRO!”
Can’t wait until the next Noobus documentary. Keep killing it bud, hope things go smoothly with the move!
Sekiro is actually my favorite out of all of the Fromsoft games (granted, I haven't played Demon Souls or DS3 yet). I used to think Bloodborne was the best one. It was my favorite until I played this.
Dark souls 3 has some trashy areas but the bosses are some of the best. Dlc bosses are also pretty good. Only a couple of bad bosses but then some if the best
ds3 is pretty boring in level design and overall world design but really does have some of the best bosses in the series
Sekiro is my favorite too, it dethroned DS1. I haven't played bloodborne tho.
@@omarfelix5287 DS1 was my favorite until I played Bloodborne. Definitely recommend playing it. Though it might be hard to go back to stamina and the slower combat of the older games after playing Sekiro lol
I love Sekiro, probably the only Fromsoft game I actually properly replayed, the others I just played with friends or PVP only, they're not enjoyable for me.
DS3 specifically just felt like spastic trash to me. literally anyone can complete if they just throw themselves at it enough. Ironically DS2 has the most thought put into its gameplay design but also the worst execution overall because of its development. It's a shame, really.
Well instead of going in the past... could have got the Robert's firecrackers from the pedler
True!
I wish you’d have told her about the combat trainer by the temple and encouraged her to practice with the prosthetics. I think she would’ve beaten the boss then.
10:44
"It's okay"
"IT'S NOT OKAY"
Spilled my tea on the keyboard.
The amount of patience you have is amazing sir! I salute you
Him: "noobus"
Her: FUCK THE TUTORIAL MESSAGES I DONT NEED EM
*I see no noobus, only a bonified pro gamer.*
I think Sekiro was particulary made for the DS fanbase and I appreciate it for being like that.
When the ogre throws you off the cliff you can grapple onto the wooden plank on its back to save yourself. Feels pretty great when you come back from certain death like that.
"I am the grasshopper" are to be a kid playing a game again true bliss
10 seconds in, I'm already laughing. Damn, she's funny
I hope she decides to do a full playthrough of either game. Watching her play is pretty entertaining. Hahah. I love her accent.
The Kenobi shit is hilarious because I also make jokes to myself while playing about being a "Master Kenobi"
I love your girlfriend's accent. Congrats on moving in together! That's nice :)
Is it just me or is the sword violence in this game especially brutal? Every time an execution or whatever takes place I say “Jesus fuck” to myself and hold whatever area was just stabbed through it’s so gnarly
GF: I chose DS3
Internet: So you chose death
I mean it is the best one so
She should really like Dishonored imo, looks like she likes stealth a lot.
Yeah Chained Ogre is in that weird spot where it's hard not to call him a bullshit boss.
He's the first "proper" bossfight, and yet the way you fight him doesn't, even remotely, prepare you for the rest of the game's bosses (outside of _maybe_ Demon of Hatred and even that's debatable).
He's so out of place in both mechanics and his positioning within the game's structure.
I like Chained Ogre. So much comedic moments to make with him.
there is a very easy mechanic known as dodging that makes him a big joke
i think it’s just a tutorial to show how bullshit all grab attacks are in the game
i struggeled with chained oger too but i think its meant to teach you, that you can find items to help you in different places sometimes, so you need to explore and also that parry is not all but you also need to bloodborne some enemys =) also seemed like a reminder that every time you think you "got it" and you now know what the game is about, it will throw something at you, that will destroy you and need to adapt. One thing i only noticed in this video is how the game sets up some similar enemys before bossfights - like the small ogre before the chained ogre or the minibossfight before genichiros first encounter, that will refine a specific skill (ogre =dodging, before genichiro = parrying really fast). Never actively thought about that in my own playtrough.
Yes it does. When you go grab the flame attachment before you fight him.
@@obscure.reference yeah I think it also show that you are playing as a ninja without stamina bar, don't stand still, run, thats how I beat him at 3rd try I think (same as others, got thrown down the cliff when I got too greedy)
2 hit, dodge, 2 hit, dodge, continue and he is 1 of the easiest boss
"toggle wall hug" Well. She got the job done. bless her heart.
she's a keeper, my girlfriend struggles with the right analog.
8:33 Imagine playing COD , you're overwhelmed but pepper, zoned in with adrenaline in these fights and a posted note blue balls you mid-fight to tell you something. It's like Jar Jar Binks.(12:50 lol) It's annoying.
Sometimes, you don't need to pause, you need to use that energy,
burn up that curiosity,
and when you've done so, like Bloodborne, you'll have gotten a helpful hint in how to pay better.
Not when you deciding to amp up your cortisol for some blood-pumping action or some lip-chewing stealth.
She's genuinely hilarious.
Dude. I found your channel yesterday. From watching you make your girlfriend play dark souls and bloodborne. This is actually perfect upload timing.
Her tenacity is as impressive as always. I hope at some point you'll pick out something she can try that's really stealth and ambush heavy to see how she takes to it, since that seems to be the playstyle she gravitates to.
1:41 This art is so beautiful!!! Your hair and her eye look really cool.
Excited to get into this bad boy. Before I watch, thank you to you both for going into this one!
Good watch as always. If I’m honest it went how I’d expected but I’m gutted she didn’t enjoy the same as Dark Souls. I voted for Sekiro out of curiosity more than anything as to how she’d feel about the mechanics in comparison and I got my answer. Thank you again!
Oh man, the wall hug thing reminded me of bit from conkers bad fur day when they explain what context sensitive means XD
I think not guiding her or explaining things hampered her enjoyment considerably. It may have been more crucial for this game than the others. In general, though, I think letting her figure everything out on her own just makes these hard games even harder than they need to be.
Maybe some time in the future have her revisit this, but help her understand that she needs to read the tutorial boxes (which, like you, I appreciate popping up during gameplay since Fromsoft games can be relatively vague), and if she plays in a way that hampers her progression at "gitting gud" then encourage her to engage the enemies more or outright tell her that if she ignores smaller challenges that are designed to help her hone her skills she'll have an incredibly difficult time dealing with major hurdles on her journey.
Also, have her play a full game, please lol
"My beer is not cold enough"
FFS MARRY HER
And, next up is DS3. My first souls game I beat, and my personal favorite of the 3.
It'll be fun to see her adapt to the fast and reckless world of lothric
At least The Chained Ogre has the People's Elbow and the Leonidas kick.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. While I can see one positive effect by being idle and not help her, I think this passive approach is a bit stupid really in the context of these videos, especially giving the obvious fact that your girlfriend did not understand how to properly play the game. And I’m not talking about the execution of the moves, I’m talking about the mechanics and understanding what they are and what they imply. Maybe the game wouldn't become so frustrating or almost an exercise in futility if you focus on, instead of execution of moves, on the way you approach the fight overall.
Sekiro, by contrast to other from games, does prefer a more singular combat style, which can eventually be very much expended upon by the inclusion of the prosthetic. But until then, you have to understand the basics and be able to apply them.
From what I saw, besides hitting the sword and the occasional parry, every fight was almost randomly approached, jumped and dodged randomly, even the 40th time. Which lead to, guess what, failing that fight for the 40th time.
Perhaps your role should better be to get her to understand the rules, the ones that really matter, like game mechanics. Not how well was a wrong move executed.
As a note, the ogre’s moves are not that wonky as it may appear. His grab attack where he’s jumping forwards is not a grab attack at all, it’s a sweep attack, which must be jumped over. His close grab can be easily dodged if you’re not already hitting him greedily when he does the move.,And while I can see someone making the argument that visually it doesn't appear that way, if dodging it doesn't seem to help, perhaps try something else? Why do the same thing dozens of times even though it clearly doesn't work?
I like the idea of this series, but I think that videos like this should be only the first step. A second step would be to make your gf understand what exactly she could improve, and try her to improve just those things, nothing else. For example, she didn't really lose the ogre fight 40 times, what she did was she got hit hundred of times in the exact same ways. So maybe, instead of focusing on winning the fight, maybe teach her to focus on not getting hit, on trying different evasion tactics, of animation timing etc. Things that might not be obvious to non gaming folk. Because if she understands all that, than maybe she wont feel so overwhelmed by it all.
Holy fuck finally someone else says it. I understand not wanting to backseat game but as this dude above said. Paraphrasing "Its not about the execution its about understanding the underlying mechanics and more importantly what they imply".
Intentionally letting her brush off every single tutorial pop up felt like she was set up for failure. A simple 30 second rereading the tutorial popup and then a discussion with you about "hey why is the game telling you this, this is how this explanation applies to the game".
This lack of effort put into trying to understand game mechanics, on top of the fact that you don't correct her when she incorrectly assumes other mechanics, such as making noise in the grass, or that jumping back is the best way to dodge feels like she is just being put on display, like "look here, watch this completely new player get frustrated!" which obviously is supposed to be the point, but more in a mean spirited kind of way, she isn't being frustrated because she can't beat the game through her own skill (imo the best kind of frustration), she is being frustrated because she refuses to engage with the mechanics, seemingly isn't allowed to ask for help or which mechanics even matter and is set up for failure.
Also maybe set some expectations before you have her start the game? She wasn't told that Sekiro is a single guy and you only get to play as him with just his weapon. That seems like a pretty big oversight for the expectations between games. Anyone who buys Sekiro with the intention of playing it (yes even noobs like your wife) would have looked at the game once or twice before purchasing it and learned at least that much.
I get new players especially will try to engage with the game in ways that obviously wouldn't work and will be punished for it. Sekiro has one main way to play, even if you can get creative as fuck through all of the weapon arts, timings, prosthetics and movement, you still HAVE to play it in one main style when you get to the bosses, fighting 1 on 1 blocking, striking, dodging but most importantly PARRYING.
If you are going to continue this series please take a look back on it and maybe change some of the rules so that it is an enjoyable experience for your wife. I want to watch a new player learn, grow and improve, slowly coming to understand and appreciate any given games mechanics (assuming its a well made game), not slam their head against a wall (ogre) 40 times in a row because the first time they tried it they accidently chipped off a bit of paint and assumed it worked.
That might be a crude metaphor and I don't want to imply that she is stupid, because she clearly isn't. But you put her in the room, said "knock down that wall", shut the door and then left. She didn't know she was allowed to leave the room, get a sledgehammer and then come back. The new player experience should be learning how to use the sledgehammer, not breaking down a wall without one.
From Software games need to be learned alone. It requires a lot of suffering and that you find the solutions by yourself. Teach the game to anyone and he'll lose 90% of the the interest.
Sir Alonne tire grab hitboxes on god
Also that tracking dive kick is just built different
She’s a great sport to play these difficult games. A lot of fun.
Thank both of you for this! This is gold!
Gotta disagree with the DoH thing. Deflecting is absolutely viable there; though yeah, they could've done a better job of making that clear.
I am always somewhat surprised by how few know how omni-effective parrying is. They confuse it with blocking. You can go the entire game not using the Mikiri Counter because you can parry red attacks.
Well, you can parry thrusts at least, I feel like a lot of people really underestimate the umbrella in this game. You can absolutely invalidate grabs and pierces with it for only 1 emblem. Anyways, you don't need Mikiri, but damn if it ain't one of the most satisfying things to do.
@@a.l.macdonald8071 that umbrella saved my life so many times during the Demon of Hatred fight, it's so good
Yep, and you can make Shichimen and Headless cry themselves to sleep with the lilac one.
@@a.l.macdonald8071 They won't get any sleep after that actually
5:00 homegirl made that jump first try, while I'm here still not being able to do it for some reason after beating sword saint a hundred times...
the ogre bossfight is by far the most tilting boss since it has a way too broken hitbox on his attacks
I’ve been a bit wracked by resurfacing long-term COVID effects, so yesterday I went down a TH-cam rabbit-hole. I found your Noobus Humanus series and, being a massive fan of FromSoftware games, decided to give them a watch.
Firstly I’ll say that I love these videos. Both your girlfriend and yourself are absolute riots, and watching her play is a lot of fun. What I also really appreciate though is your thorough examination of the gameplay! It was great, and afterwards I watched the Q&A video, curious as to when your next video like this would be.
Funnily enough, I was surprised to see this one uploaded today, and again it was a blast to watch. I know though that this isn’t the bulk of your content, so I went to watch some more of your critiques, and man, such great content here! I especially love your Hollow Knight critique- one of my all-time favorite games.
If anything, you’ve earned a new sub. I was surprised to see that this channel was still relatively new and upcoming- the amount of care and effort you put into these videos is top tier professional. Keep up the excellent work and I’m eager to see where this goes!
Oh, and good luck with the move. :D
On the tutorial pop-ups, I have to say they the worst part of Sekiro. by a mile. Not only are they intrusive and flow breaking, they CANNOT BE TURNED OFF! this was clearly something that fromsoft were told to do by activation because they thought the game was ''too confusing'' and it sucks so much. it makes me want to have the option of just skipping the opening and going straight to the sculptor. what's more, it happens at the worst times, namely in the middle of combat where the last thing you want to do is read something. they could have at least had them pop up after you die the first time, so then it's a learning experience, not just an annoyance. great vid btw. DS3 will be a blast to watch I'm sure.
I really don't get this point. They freeze time. I never once felt like they were an intrusion. On subsequent playthroughs I just skip them as soon as they appear anyway, they are only there for the beginning.
@@henrikfitch4017 does the real world freeze every now and then to tell you about how sword fights work? freezing time IS the problem. I don't want my gameplay to stop without my consent.
@@Rassalcon Yeah but it's a few seconds and it will make you better understand the game and the importance of certain mechanics. It literally isn't a nuisance at all because whatever was happening before will still happen just as soon as you finish reading. It takes maybe a total of 1 minute out of the game for ALL of the tutorials to be read. It literally happens before the combat actually starts, telling you something that will undoubtedly make the right easier, not harder.
Also your point about real world things is just laughable
@@henrikfitch4017 I see your point. but everything you've said is why I don't like it. learning tools are only as good as their presentation and THAT is what sucks. it's not a problem of time wasted, it's a problem of momentum and control. it's like driving a car at 60mph and having wall appear in front of you, forcing you to crash into it, and then vanishing and speeding your car back up to 60. it's jarring, and more importantly, avoidable.
@@Rassalcon If a tutorial popup is "worst part of Sekiro. by a mile." then you don't have any legitimate complaints about the game. It gives the player important knowledge of the core mechanics that you will need for the entire game. It's there to make sure the less than optimally bright players recognize it and uses it. Apparently, this doesn't work as the girlfriend demonstrated.
noobus humanus evolving to a standard humanus
I love the fact that u used the naruto theme for chained ogre
R u ever gonna get ur girlfroend to play dmc?
Its not "unfair" its simply knowing how to dodge which attack, for Jump Grab you dodge 2 times backward, and for the stand still attack you dodge sideways. I really like your vids, keep it up
Finally convinced my best friend to buy this -- my favorite game ever at the time -- and this was almost his exact experience. 🤦♂️ He couldn't have had less fun with it 🤣
I personally had the most trouble, on my first playthrough, with Giant Ape, Demon of Hatred, and, believe it or not, Lone Shadow Longswordsman. I still hadn't properly figured out the game mechanics by the time I found LSL, and the really confined space you fight him in kept making me get stuck or be unable to see. Eventually I mastered the game and now the ninja/longswordsman enemy types are my absolute favorite to go against. Hitting every perfect deflect on one of their combos is the best feeling.
I really don’t appreciate how everyone swears that ds or bloodbourne are so much more “diverse” than sekiro. Yeah it doesn’t have different classes, but Sekiro literally introduces so many more mechanics to its gameplay that I think previous bias just influences what you all say
I think it's having the feeling of personal agency about how one can play the game vs Sekiro's set mechanics that if used properly you could git gud. People like being a big tank man with a giant hammer or club, or a naked and skittering weirdo with a knife, or a legit knight, or rogue. It's all of DS's options vs Sekiro's set gameplay.
@@caseyhall2320 well Sekiro isn’t dark souls. And you can’t make too many different classes in bloodbourne but people gawk over it
@@coreydaprince in Bloodborne though you can still have that illusion of choice. You can be an ex soldier with hard hitting weapons or a regal gentleman out on the hunt with his cane. An insane doctor. All these things come with perhaps minor variations of play, but they are present.
In Sekiro you are Wolf. Like it or not. No weapons, no armour, no character customisation. People like the choice the other games offer and it IS lacking in Sekiro.
That doesnt mean it's a bad game, but it is lacking aspects people like. It absolutely IS less diverse than Souls or Bloodborne because you play thorough the game the same way each time. Something that you do not have to do in the other games.
the beginning alone instantly made me like this video lmao
love both of your scottish accents
I don’t think it gets harder than this game
I still think it was on the easier side of From's games.
"you asked for this, strong language to come" is a pretty good description of sekiro
Shame ogre filtered her, genichiro is peak fromsoft boss battle
Fuck that grab attack tho, lord knows I got chucked off the edge for 2 days first time I played it
It makes me irrationally mad to see people skip through tutorial screens saying “I know” or “that’s annoying” then complaining that they don’t know what to do or getting confused by what’s on screen. I just… I just CAN’T