Fleetwood Mac - Rumours - Vinyl LP Review And Comparison What Version Is The Best?
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I own a German First Pressing from 1977 with textured Sleeve and this Vinyl sounds fantastic
I concur, found this copy today in the second hand store, remembered your comment and snatched this 1st release German copy (mastered by Capital/ KP) and i am super happy with this. the 2x45RPM reprint is ordered, but on backorder. This german print will see mee through the waiting process. :-)
This is the end all be all channel for record enthusiasts! Seriously in a few years time if these keep coming out then it’ll make pretty much every other source for seeking out this info (like Steve Hoffman and other forums) irrelevant! Very glad that you’re doing this service for the vinyl community! Helping people cut through the BS will make it much more likely the newcomers will really hear the difference and continue to invest in the awesomeness of vinyl! The headache of research is such a put off, you can dig for hours on forums trying to find out the same info you get in these videos.
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Fleetwood Mac's is not precisely the kind of music I like to listen to the most, but the incredible sound of the 2x45 RPM version made me fall deeply in love with this album. One of my most cherished items in my collection.
A man after my own heart
yep its a stunner fer sure
Yeah, I don’t have another pressing to compare it to, but it’s hard to imagine it sounding any better.
It's a shame It's ridiculously expensive now cuz I really love this album!!
It’s been restocked most places for around $40. Quick!
This was very informative. I never knew there were so many pressings out there. I never knew you could get pressings in a 45 rpm except in the old little single side(2 songs, 1 on each side). So, thank you very much
Went to a local record store and found the Pallas Press Version of the album. Was super hyped as I’ve been told that all records pressed at Pallas are desirable, and the sound was amazing. I’m new to vinyl but so far it has been fun to learn about the different pressings and versions of just one album.
This album was discussed in The Sound City Documentary as being produced there as well as the studio from which the band was formed. The studio had a hidden gem of a rare analog 8028 Neve Recording Console and had a reputation for recording a strong punchy sound that defined Rock Music.Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, a virtually unknown folk rock duo in 1974, were the first artists recorded on this Neve as they tracked their debut album. During this time, while scouting Sound City as a possible place to record the next Fleetwood Mac album, Mick Fleetwood heard a playback of the Buckingham Nicks track “Frozen Love”. Fleetwood was so impressed by what he heard that Buckingham and Nicks were asked to join the band, resulting in the multi-platinum success story the band soon became. More important for Sound City, he was also impressed by the way the recording sounded. Fleetwood Mac recorded their next, self-titled album (featuring “Rhiannon”) there. Sound City lists this album as being recorded there in 1977. Fleetwood Mac in 1975, and Fleetwood Mac Greatest Hits in 1988.
Pretty good documentary. Could've done without the Groll self-promotion nonsense though. And Rumours was recorded at the Record Plant in Sausalito with some mixing done at Sound City a few months after.
I was about to buy Rumours on vinyl, after recently buying my first turntable since my teens, (I'm now 45) and I'm so glad I found this video before I clicked buy. I was about to buy the horrible digitally mastered version without knowing it! I've now spent way more and bought the deluxe 2 disc, 45 rpm Pallas. I feel very naughty spending so much on 1 album, but Rumours is a fantastic album and deserves to be played in the highest quality possible.
Yeah!.... I got the dual-45 rpm version when it first came out, and YES it's one of the most amazing sounding LPs I own. The dynamics and clarity are breathtaking! It also breaks my heart that so much great music is being made today too... but only to be squashed into sonic mush by over-loudness and compression. This album is a poster-child for dynamically unrestricted POP music!
I like your LP reviews, but half the time all i'm thinking is, look at those freaking McIntosh monoblocks!
I bought this album on Amazon a few months back when they got their restock. This album has gotten so hard to get your hands on in person, so I kept checking Amazon every few days for a couple months until they got their restock in. Thankfully the copy that I received is the Pallas pressing, and it is one of my favorite albums to play since it sounds so friggin' good.
That 2011 45rpm was my favorite way to listen to this until I heard a transfer of the Reel-To-Reel, a medium which i'm not a huge fan of though this one is incredible!
We need more content like this!... this is so useful! Informative and it really teaches you valuable information about pressings but also about the artists... I just found out that I had a European version of this album... bummer! LOL!.... The good thing is that I believe there's a near-record store that has one from Pallas! Gonna try to get that one and actually compare both pressings. Thanks for the videos! Keep 'em coming!
I love this channel. I’m on the Gold Coast in Australia and just getting back into vinyl. So informative.
Love when you do these comparison videos! My 1st Canadian Press also says "mastered by capitol" in the dead wax, as well as KP
Me too. Love these vids.
I have two Canadian copies like this. Both "the same" but one sounds better than the other, just like Mike talks about here with the American copies
You can also tell which Canadian plant pressed later 70s WEA records. Usually it's a standalone single letter on the label...
C -- Calgary, or
Q -- Toronto (Quality Records pressed for several labels)
You are right about early plates and different countries. I have an original Canadian KP pressing. Matrix has F13/F11. I picked it up at a local record show for $7.50 a couple years ago. It is very minty and sounds great. Has great separation and sounds crisp. I lucked out with it and don't need another one.
Awesome review and amazing album. Thanks for reviewing and for all your vinyl video comparisons. Very insightful. Looking forward hopefully soon for you to review and compare Nirvana's Nevermind vinyl album.
A huge thanks for all the great info in these videos . Hope to come to your store one day!!!!
Great video, man! Thanks! I was hoping the Alternate Rumours would pop up there. Glad to know we have the #2 pressing- the USA Pressed at Pallas new one!
Thank you for this. Look forward to more of these videos. Greetings from Denmark
Have had a local pressed copy of this album since 1977 - played many times and well loved . Time to get a new copy , and thanks to your advise have opted for the fairly easy to find Palas pressed version.
Great video Mike! Thanks for uploading this!
I love these videos, i hope you do more of these. Super informative! Keep up the good work man! Also if would be sick if did one on The Clash's London Calling or any of those good old punk records, thanks! (:
Can’t wait to see you do other albums. I’ve watched this video so many times trying to find this album for a reasonable price and good sound. I’m down to number 4 now. Lol
The double 45 is available more for order on acousticsounds.com
is that an MA5200 int. amp? i have the same one. love it so much! thanks for keeping this series going - i'm always curious to hear your thoughts and see the different versions - even if it's a title i already have or don't even care about ;) cheers!
I enjoy watching your best pressings videos! Very informational! I've been pleased with the records I've bought based on your reviews. I'd love to see a Led Zeppelin III video! What is make and model of your turntable?
Great review, mate. I’m very pleased with my Japanese “Mastered by Capitol” copy. They’re common pressings here in Japan. I’m curious to hear the 45rpm version you mentioned, but it’s pricey now
It’s back in stock on acousticsounds.com
I only just stumbled upon this two year old video. After watching I checked my Australian pressed copy of Rumours bought in 1977 and it has "Mastered By Capitol" and the "KP" initials. It has always sounded great. Thanks Mike for the great video.
Just ordered a Pallas Reissue.. before i watched this video. I'm so happy! Thanks, i will check more of your videos. Greetings ;)
Please do more of these videos, they are “GOLD”
Journey- Escape
Toto -IV
ELO-Time
Boston -Third Stage
Thanks this is a great / professional review of the Vinyls👍🏻
Eric from Pallas / Furnace Record Pressing here. Keep up the great work!
Hope you guys are back on the ground running. Thanks for your little light of sanity during these crazy times.
Found the Pallas K1 pressing at Best Buy today and it’s awesome. I might just keep looking for them.
Your rig is insane! 🔥🔥🔥 Colored vinyl has come a long way. It’s no longer that noisy stuff from the past.
When I picked up a copy of the recent reissue a few years ago, the US/Pallas pressing came in a “loose” bag, while European pressing was packaged in standard tight shrink wrap.
Analog 360 love your name. Haha
I was able to pick up the pressed at Pallas version at Walmart of all places 🤷
I got mine on Amazon about 3 years ago for $19
YES MATT! wow! Haha
I found my Pallas copy at Cracker Barrel. The other copy I see at Wal-mart is clear-vinyl, probably not the BG/KG
Can you send me the barcode of your copy so I can shop for it on discog? Thanks!
B T www.discogs.com/Fleetwood-Mac-Rumours/release/2832092
I sent you this link because the copy that uses a digital source has the same barcode, but no “Pallas” on the sticker. That’s the one to get
The KG/SH mastering has some EQ correction on each track so it sounds different to the original pressings or European reissues. So this was remastered like many of the MFSL vinyl
I would love to se you do a comparison of the Early Fleetwood Mac LPs. Such a great band that should not be forgotten
Great Format! Would love some Coltrane comparisons...
This bloke is the Don, would love to see more reviews of classic albums
It's Feb 2024 and the 2 x 45 rpm Gray/Hoffman cut is back in print. Their 33 (Pressed at Pallas) is getting hard to find now. In Europe, the crappy 33 has been replaced by a new Chris Bellman cut from 2021, which is superb (his cut of Fleetwood Mac S/T is also excellent).
Great recommendation! Can you make a review of which Steely Dan's Gaucho pressing is to get? Thanks.
Was JUST listening to this, such a great album.
Hell yeah it is! :)
Mike's a lifesaver over lockdown...I absolutely love every Thursday here in the UK. (Mike, when are you going to do another live vid with Angel?) Thanks
Great channel! Did you build the diffuser? That's a monster! 😄
Thanks for the comparisons!
I got a clean first Australian pressing but will be on the lookout for a US Pallas pressing
I just purchased a 1979-82 pressing with the Warner shield logo and faint lines label. It also has a yellowed background cover which is pretty cool. I put it up against my 1st pressing Burbank label and the Pallas single lp versions. It held up very nicely!! I also tested out the 2X45 version that was loaned to me. It was pretty sensational, but I didnt hear a vast difference between the 2lp and the single lp Pallas version. I always use the track You Make Loving Fun as the litmus test of sound quality for its thumping kick drum and smooth mid range clavinet with the hi hat and wind chimes defining the treble. My sound system is a Pioneer SX 1250. Pioneer SG 9500 EQ. Pioneer 4 way speaker system. 2 HPM 100s and 2 CS 99a. Also A Pioneer PL 71 Direct Drive Turntable fitted with a Ortofon MC 3 Turbo Moving Coil stylus. Handles Rock and Jazz, which are my two favorite styles of music equally well. Also, of note, KENDUN pressings and non -KENDUN pressings of FM's 1st Lindsey and STevie lp are virtually identical. the 1st pressings anyway. I dont own an 80s pressing of that lp.
I'm glad I went right to the best sounding version of it when I got my first copy of the album. I just love anything pressed on 45rpm speed.
I picked up this from Mike @ In-Groove- This audiophile deluxe version is pressed on two 180-gram LPs cut at 45
RPM (pressed at Pallas). It is packaged in a paper-wrapped Stoughton gatefold jacket with a two-panel insert. It is the best sounding record I own.
Mike, what do you think of the MOFI US release/Japan pressing? I hear good things about the sound of this version. Thanks
I have both the "pressed by capitol" original US pressing and the newer "2009" version. I played both back to back to see if the newer one was the UK or US version since I removed the sticker. I played "The Chain" from the beginning to the end of the first chorus 6 times. Three times just for the intro and 3 till the end of chorus and just wow, how better the original US "capitol" pressing is compared to the newer one. Better bass, dynamics, better sounding acoustic guitar....just wow. I could feel the punch of the bass when the chorus came in through my chest, while the newer one sounded flat and had no dynamic. So I'm guessing I have the UK version of the newer press because it's not even close how better the "capitol" pressing was.
Hello,
I posted on one of your earlier videos asking your thoughts on your Akai 646 RtR player, with all the posts you get I'm, sure you missed it :) ... I have the same model, but black face and have not set it up yet. Is it stock?
Love your channel and watch all your videos, keep up the great posts!
Rick
My 1st press hot stamper and repress Ludwig (WB logo white label) are the best I heard. Sold my palls, UK and Japan pressings. The Japanese Perry I had was bass heavy to me. Thanks for doing this.
Hi Mike! I would like place my "order" to review various issues of John Coltrane's A Love Supreme
appreciate for that great review !
hi i like you review i have one question the 45 rpm 2020 press has the same quality of the 2011 press?
the best sophomore record to ever release. this is what a follow up record should sound like bop after bop! the tone and the track order is masterful. between fking, breaking up and on a coke bender they spawned something only god was said to achieve and thats perfection. the sound engineering and the instrumentals embodying Stevie and Buckinghams vocals is mixed to absolutely perfect. 10/10 Zero Skips!
I got that Japanese first pressing at a local recycle shop (I live in Tokyo) for like $2. Sleeve has some water damage, but the disc is pristine.
Could you please do The Stooges and Fun House? Your reviews are super thoughtful and thorough. Much appreciated.
The pressing done by Rhino sounds good to me.
I have a strange copy of this record..bought in Canada except the album cover has some kind of texture to it..almost like a golfball? just not as deep but you can feel it in the touch...was checking to see if it was mentioned in this video...BSK 3010
Perhaps the best analog version is not a record its a tape - The Magtec 7 1/2 ips 4-track reel to reel tape sounds pretty darn good - Thanks for the review. I am also happy with my first press US record.
I bought the "clear vinyl" Walmart version! Very noisy pressing, and its cut very mild ( volume is extremely low) which compounds the noise issues! Other than that, hey!
Me too. Only high point sonically is John's solo in The Chain. Otherwise, it's flat, lifeless and boring.
I have the Natalus Pressing thought sounded great, back when it first came out, heard it on my brothers stero system, Crown amp & preamp, putting out 32 wpc, with an JVC QLY5F moving coil Otofone cartrige, all this coming out to a pair of Klipschorns, all that said the album sounded awesome, when we blew out his single pain windows again, lol. Anyway I ordered the Fleetwood Mac Rumors Pressed at Pallus, to see for myself, Thanks for the informitive reveiw.
My Natalus pressing is killer. Half speed pressed much smoother sounding but still hits
I just compared my Nautilus to my sister’s original pressing. The Nautilus has a slightly softer presentation, but is slightly better in most areas. Vocals are more lifelike, a bit more detail, etc. This really works for Go Your Own Way. But the original has one thing that the Nautilus doesn’t. The drums in Dreams just explode out the speakers, which really propels the song.
Hi Mike. The wood diffuser on the wall behind u, is it DIY or a thing u can buy? I'm looking for some room treatment. Cheers from Denmark
Next stop: Al Di Meola - Casino. I think you will like the work of RL Mastering on the Holland pressing, Mike! 🚧
Hi Mike did you cover the Half Speed Master of that album or was that the Nautilus that is half speed?
Got the 1st German pressing and like it a lot, must say.
Mike- can you recommend the best billy Joel albums to get on vinyl? MoFI versions has poor reviews
When comparing the US and EU versions of the 33-1/3 did you use the 2011 or 2009 EU release? I have heard the 2009 EU release and it is indeed terrible, but my understanding was the 2011 EU version should be relatively on par with its US counterpart?
Unless I'm unaware that the same cut was released as a breakout standalone release, there's no mention of the clear vinyl edition from the Fleetwood Mac: 1975 To 1987 box set. I don't know how well regarded this box set is, so wondering if it wasn't included because it falls into the inferior thus disregarded category or if it wasn't mentioned because it's a box set vinyl and not an individual release.
ItsKingJamesNow That box is a Rhino pressing down it should be solid.
Love your reviews, but is there any chance you can list the “top” links in the description? I don’t want to sound ungrateful, but for newer enthusiasts it’s hard to dig through them all. Of course myself and others would be much more likely to buy them from you if you had them in stock. And if not that’s ok too! I appreciate what you do as you do it.
Also it’s next to impossible for me to see what’s in the dead wax…any tips to gleam what it says ? Thank you again and looking forward to more reviews
Sir i just check at your website can’t find the pallas pressing there no description !? I want to order the pallas pressing! Thanks
I bought a sealed copy (yes!) but for this one I opened for personal use! x2 45rpm Mastered by Kevin Grey / Steve Hoffman 'Pressed at Pallis' Pressing for £90 (around $170).
Great review👍🏼
Was very surprised to see the dutch white vinyl reviewed, the version I own . I always enjoyed the pretty visual aspect and it always sounds good . I don't play it much because the songs are all so popular, they are pretty much imprinted in my memory, so don't carry great emotional impact until the album really gets going.
The two times I ever saw mick Fleetwood play, once, memorably, with his band at the whiskey a go go, before he added women, and much later , when I happened to stop to check out the Malibu country days festival as I was driving the coast. I guess it was a local pick up band, and they played well, as we danced in the dirt. Both times he played an extended solo on his balls, seen hanging from his belt on the rumors cover picture. Turns out they are not just a fashion accessory, but enable the man to make a unique artistic statement, if you go for that kind of stuff.
Absolutely agree about the U.S. 1st pressings..I have a Jacksonville pressing that sucks, and a Winchester double KP that is great. I also agree about the prices, they are insane, I got mine for $1 or $3 10-15 years ago. I also have the Pallas LP and it's very good.
Mike, on the original American pressing that you liked, was the stamper a low number? I think Ken Perry had to cut Rumours 50 times or more. I can see how F4, for example, would be better than F33. Eventually boredom would have settle in. For the Japanese black OBI copy, did it also have an F stamper number?
Hey there totally appreciate what you have to say what label is the last copy on the 2x45 thanks for auckland New Zealand
I got the 33rpm version with the Pressed at Pallas. My question being I didn’t see the Mastered by Kevin Gray/Steve Hoffman anywhere? Thank You
I went to your web store and could't find the Palas pressing. There are two types there, both sold out, but anyone is indicated to be the Pallas' one. Another question. Do you know when it will be available?
Boston - Boston would be interesting to hear your opinion on that what sounds best. Cool video series thx for those👍
The best Bostons are the original Epic Wallys.
Hi, great video. I’d love one of the Hoffman/Gray LP’s . I have an original UK with the tree, and a STRAWBERRY deadwax one with a warmer brothers logo on white label. I think it’d be worth you getting a copy of that one to add to this review as it is excellent. I had a different original uk once that trumped them both but I left the curtain open on a hot day and the son made the record warp. Do you know any info on the STRAWBERRY?
Strawberry is Strawberry mastering which is a long defunct mastering studio in the UK.
Hi Mike I agree with your view of Japanese pressings generally being anaemic but assuming all the detail is there and the vinyl is quiet sometimes I've found with suitable eq or a bit of bass boost can really good,hence I think having tone controls on a pre amp for this very reason make it a very useful feature.Would be interested to hear if you have tried this?
What did you think of the Clear vinyl version?
Another great comparison. Just wondering, never hear any discussion on Canadian pressings. Are they just too similar to the U.S. pressings , or are the always just middle of the road.
My Canadian pressing of Rumours is super quite, and has good bottom end. Just wondering as I'm in Canada, and majority of my vinyl are Canadian pressings. Some of my Canada pressings, sound just as good if not better than the U.S. pressing of same album.
Brad.
bad vinyl i know! Im Canadian and ive had all kinds and i agree with Canadian holding up and being better for having for dynamics with certain pressings.
Take Sticky Fingers as an example. The Cdn Warner pressing is fantastic. Full of life and bite. My understanding and I think it's noted in the old Gerry Osborne Record Collector books that Cdn pressings especially 60's and early 70's were on thicker vinyl. I also find that the ones pressed at Capitol Smith Falls I think it's denoted by the letters acr in the deadwax are usually the excellent.
My Canadian Exodus by Marley is incredible
ok, so where is version I listen to on Apple Music? Do we have a access to the best version or the worst through streaming devices?
I live in Norway and many of the records we get over here is pressed and some mixed here in Europe. What can I look for to get a good sounding pressing of any type of record? Any tips?
On the 45 rpm version, I have heard that even though it says Pressed at Pallas, that's not good enough to ensure you are getting the primo version. You also have to make sure that Made in U.S.A. has to be under the barcode. Michael Fremer says that you do not want the one that says Printed in U.S.A. Manufactured in E.U. Does anyone know if this is true?
Yes Brian you are correct. The best version is the Made in USA pressing. This topic is covered in the video at 10:30 where he shows the USA version which calls “dynamite” and the European version which he calls “crummy” and they both look identical on the front.
make a video about other supervinyls like supertramp breakfast in america...christopher cross first album......steely dan aja....eart wind and fire raise....etc..
What's a "vinyls"?
Same plural applies to moose, unless that's changed to "mooses" as well...
(I agree he should, just pullin yer leg.)
I have the 45 2fer but had to return the first one as the jacket was damaged from the extra weight
Back when Mike had the George Costanza haircut!!
Thanks Mike... have heard that several hundred copies of the 2x45rpm version were poor pressings (warped, noise, etc). Puts me off spending big bucks to get poor one.
Which 45rpm is better the Euro version or the US version or are they the same.
Which year is the best one? 2009 -2011
I have one from probably the early 80s so Winchester mastered by Capital pressing it has RL I think it sounds pretty amazing
Okay, can someone help me: if you are talking about, for example, an US first pressing (let's say of The Wall). Which label are you talking about then? I guess that 1st pressing means the year it came out (1979 if we talk about The Wall), but even then, Discogs shows 15 different labels for US 1979 copies... can somebody please help!?
Have you heard the gold colored vinyl edition from Target ?
The sticker on your 1st press German copy is odd as that was used a lot in the 80's for a Nice Price budget reissue series in Europe. I have a Made In West Germany copy which I believe is the very first press and it's way better than my UK first press at least.
I purchased the 45rpm Rumours LP when it was released for about $50 AUD. Now it's worth about $200 AUD.
I have a first press us version that’s kinda. Eat up. Even after us cleaning the scratches are just too much. Wanna get a nice copy. Thanks for the comparisons