For me the M1000 is definitelly S tier. It's true that it's not good for swarms, but it's not meant to be. It is a weapon made for maximum single target dmg, and it excels in that department. I love pairing it with armor-breaking Zukhovs to still be able to deal with swarms while focusing HVTs with the sniper
I love running this with Jumbo Shells Boomstick as a secondary, to have both extremely good single target sniper and Boomstick as burst damage when the swarm tries to get to your face. Also, Hoverclock is just so much fun to use!
No matter what build, I find just sending a charge shot into a group and then sending single shots at those that don't get covered. I treat the charge shot like a grenade it will drop a good amouint of damage and can insta kill a group. I usually use Volatile Impact Mixture with 13222 for your mods. Just hit a grunt once with a single shot and it is dead. It takes out half their health in one shot and then they die moments later. A slasher is like two shots. The charge shot into a group can instantly kill multiple. A single shot can also hit another grunt with full damage if it is close enough. Sludge Pump is by far my favorite driller weapon.@@MOAON_AABE
This tier list pains me. The m1000 in anywhere but S tier, the EPC in meh, the sludge pump being placed alongside the damn drak… hey man whatever you have fun with. Rock and stone, brother!
No disrespect to this guy as a person but his takes in this game are absolutely nuts, in more vids then this one. Not even kidding worst takes ive seen in any video game ever. The videos are fun though I must admit.
@@TopDismasFanto be fair, this was back when he wasn't very experienced, and in comparison to a lot of other people doing tierlists he still isn't that experienced at deep rock
My personal rating for the Sludge Pump went up from C to A solely because I started treating it more like a shotgun this season. I keep CRSPR at S too though because its just too fun to burn everything down
@@arcturuslight_ I guess all those elite deathless deep dives means it sucks! Thanks for that really helpful input. Glad to see such positive players in DRG!
Try using EPC TCF on a group of bugs and tanky targets like Praetorians. It's not exclusively for mining as well, you can clear high walls to make space for the team which is very useful on top of the C4 and Drills that you already have.
I totally respect your opinions but I really want to suggest some different perspectives as well, the Minigun is an extremely versatile weapon with things like Burning hell + Volatile Bullets Bulldog for some crazy ignition and super high damage with the bulldog itself. Along with that Lead Storm offers some of the highest sustained dps in the whole game, only time I'd put auto cannon above the minigun would be with NTP as that overclock is nuts. As for the rocket pods in my eyes the only really solid playstyle is minelayer but at that point if you have a good sticky fuel driller then it's not as relevant in other areas, it's true that Jet Fuel Homebrew slightly outdps Lead storm Lead storm however it's no where near as consistent. I'd suggest giving some builds like Burning hell + Volotile Bullets along with Lead Storm + Hellfire to make up for crowd clear while having crazy great dps. I could talk a lot more about many other weapons but as a gunner player for the most part I wanted to share my opinions, wonderful content but I do highly suggest giving a proper try to all the type of builds you can get your hands on and getting a solid sense of the player style with each overclock before making a tier list as you may not have as much insight into the unique and powerful builds gunners got. Cheers and have a wonderful day, keep making awesome content!
For me the cryo cannon really shines with the colette wave cooker, since you can get the frozen enemies to take three times the damage that they would normally take.
Not to mention the cooker does have a tier choice that lets afflicted enemies explode and spread that affliction to others. This, in my opinion, shines the brightest with the cryo cannon, but only at higher hazard levels. the more bugs there are, the better this combo becomes. I have frozen half a whole wave with ease and minimal ammo waste by just switching between the two guns, then throwing axes at occasional praetorians. Running low on health? Drill up the sea of frozen bugs with Vlad perk and basically go back to full. I never have easier missions than the ones with my cryo build.
Try pairing the snowball cryo cannon 23131 (tier 2 seems like a weird mod choice but the downtime reduction after launching an ice bomb is really nice) paired with a heavy hitter EPC 12322 (very important to take thin containment field over burning nightmare. The temp shock is tantalizing for swag factor but defrosts bugs so you end up doing only a fraction of the damage you can get out with normal plasma, & you can't shoot burning nightmare as much before overheating). This build allows you to choose between cryo drilling & shattering grunt swarms depending on how many bugs are around. If there's a lot, go for the fragile instakill with the primary fire, if it's just the grunts, launch over a cold one for the boys, the boys being your bodacious drill hands. The ice bomb with snowball will instantly freeze everything except oppressors, goo bombers, & breeders, but you can two shot those into freezing status thanks to the ~6 seconds of tick freezing which completely prevents their temperature from going up. You'll need some fast axes or really quick weapon switching to deal with the oppressors before they thaw out, but everything else that doesn't get shattered into a fine pile of crystalized glyphid with fragile from the primary fire or drilled to death will become easy fodder for the EPC.
The experimental plasma charger is really fun in combination with the cryo cannon. You freeze everything and then go bewbewbewbew and kill them all before they unfreeze
I understand people picking up the EPC and thinking it is useless because it is not supposed to be a direct combat weapon imo. But the EPC is such an incredible utility between mining to slowing plasma fields to lighting sludge puddles on fire it combos to become some of the best swarm support in the game, especially with the sludge pump.
Yup. I got Heavy Hitter OC on it which boost normal shots. Way I have it built I can light a puddle on fire in two regular shots. I also have the pump OC that makes a long line of puddles. Bugs are reduced to truding through burning slime. I almost feel bad for them. Almost.
I would put the cryo cannon in high A because of its synergy with Vampire and bezerker, you can freeze enemies and spam your pickaxe attack and use your drills and the impact axes to get HP back. Yes drills and Impact Axes count as melee. I have done many deep dives with that build. Pair it with something like EPC or Wave Cooker and you are set. It works for everything except elemination missions.
Guide for making the EPC more fun: When you are facing bugs, mine the bugs like minerals. You have to aim kind of above the bugs and then detonate it, which makes it a different way of aiming, but it absolutely cleans house when you do. The damage of Thin Containment Field explosions is high enough that it'll instantly vaporize grunts and chunk praetorian/oppressor health all for the low cost of 9 ammo and some good aim.
I can literally feel myself becoming worse in the game while watching this vid. Putting autocannon into A-tier above boltshark, boomstick, bulldog and minigun is just nonsense. Zhukovs, epc and m1000 placement is also bruh.
i agree with the epc placement being inaccurate, since it is a solid weapon, but zhukovs absolutely deserve s-tier. but yeah, boltshark is better than autocannon
The brt is being heavily slept on by the whole community, i will stand by my lovely brt till the day i die yes bulldog has better burst damage, but the consistency of brt is unmatched. Revolver has heavy inaccuracy if used rapidly or while moving, so anything you don’t one shot will require more attention, which can be life or death in a high stakes environment. This is especially noticeable when using it to kill groups of mactera. Brt don’t care, you can run jump shoot and wank off while guaranteeing anything you look at will be shot. Can kill tanky targets and groups of long range ones consistently, and grabbing the stun mod makes killing pretorians a joke additionally bulldogs low fire rate and small mag means missing a shot is alot more punishing than the brt when the bulldog is at its strongest it heavily outclasses brt, but its also has its moments where its inaccuracy and low ammo pool makes it difficult to use when your backs to the wall and you can’t line up your shots. Brt never has a moment where it wont be useful. Stunning and melting pretorians, killing distant targets, all while not having to worry about aiming or standing still. Brt is my boy and i will protect him at all cost.
yea fair point. Basically the bulldog is for veteran players and brt is for newer players as it is less punishing. I prefer the bulldog but I only use it on hvts, such as mactarea. For tanky bugs, that is what volatile bullets if for.
@@Capense-q9m I dont agree with one being for veterans and one for newer players. New players even start with the bulldog so they'd get a feel for that gun until lvl 15 when they can unlock the BRT. Brt imo isnt the most fun but it's just rly fucking good at taking care of big bugs AND it is the only gunner secondary with armor break. I dont rly find the "armor break" on the coilgun super good as it just takes too long to charge up shots and reload
great video. but maybe you should do tier list videos in a more orderly fashion like all scout weapons then all engineer weapons etc. but good job so far interesting opinions
Sludge Pump should be higher tbh, it is very ammo efficient. If bugs are close enough to together (which they usually are) one shot can hit multiple of them, doesn’t even need to be a charged shot. The DOT effect does a majority of your damage, plus it slows enemies down. And even if you miss, you still create puddles which do less damage than direct DOTs, but it slows down enemies way more. Plus the direct DOT and Puddle DOT effects stack, combine this with the slowdown mod and contagion transmitter on the Wave Cooker and you can turn every spider into a slug.
The plasma charger being in meh tier is wild, honestly might be S tier for me with thin contaiment field. Huge aoe ball of death and you put that in meh? This pained me
Here's how you can bump up cryo cannon up at least one tier: 1) realize frozen enemies take more damage 2) realize this includes melee damage 3) realize your drills do, in fact, count as melee damage 4) realize vampire is a perk that exists 5) enjoy your infinite health, especially on shield disruption missions The idea is to boost frost effect via overclock and upgrades, fire it just long enough to freeze everything in front of you, switch to drills and delete the swarm. Bigger targets can be taken out by freezing and an axe or a secondary. Instant kills on flying targets if frozen and preventing exploders from doing their thing are a bonus.
People who use the drills as melee weapons are the worst players in the game..... That would be like scout using the flare gun as a long range sniper cuz it in fact does do damage and quite a bit more than you might think, the drills are ass for melee considering you NEED to pair them with that dogshit cryo gun
I just realized, the mouths of the glyphids are identical to the mouths on the mutant bread in TF2, I think it would be funny if TF2 Soldier teleported some bread to Hoxes, and after centuries, Dwarves from a not-earth planet come to Hoxes, and think that the descendants of the mutant bread are native to the planet
I'll respect your opinions, though give a few opinions of my own. Heavy Autocannon: I can totally understand the appeal, but it never quite clicked with me since the accuracy and the feeling like you HAVE to build it for AD clearing for me. Though maybe I'm just bad at the game. CRISPR: I'm just Mad about this thing. Knowing that the optimal strat with this thing is NOT to actually spew flames into enemy lines like a Goddamn Dragon, but instead to paint the ground with it using Sticky Flames Sticky Fuel. PGL: Honestly I wanna put this one into S tier just because I feel like Hyperpropellent is a Dopamine Factory. Hurricane: YES. S TIER. Also for me, Plasma Bursters. Leadstorm: It's definitely good for what it does, but I despise the fact that it uses 2 rounds per shot fired. If you give me 2400 ammunition I expect to be able to deal 2400 bullets worth of damage. And for the longest time I felt like the lead storm was comically weak because I was like "what do you mean I went through all these rounds already?" I want to actually shoot exactly as many bullets as it says I shoot. Corrosive Sludge Pump: a weapon that makes that "Trap-setting" playstyle I whined about the CRISPR having feel like it actually makes sense. Also the fact that it shreds Bosses and Swarms alike is wonderful. Like you put a puddle under a dreadnaught and it'll be eaten alive while it'll usually completely resist both Fire and Ice. Stubby: Honestly, you're not WRONG, though it's kinda become my most used engineer primary purely because its AOE damage makes up for me running Hyperprop. Though it does kinda just feel like mindless spray and pray. Warthog: I feel like C tier is a bit harsh for this one though I get your reasoning... I'm kinda just quietly waiting to get an actually decent OC for this thing. Zhukovs: Honestly, I have the same beef with this one that I do the lead storm. WHY DO THEY COST 2 AMMO PER BULLET. Though I'm not sure how to build it.
On your point about the autocannon, i think you misunderstand the weapon, its essentially an anti aircraft gun, it shoots explosive inaccurate rounds, its meant to have a spread for crowd clearing, thats why carpet bomb and neurotoxin rounds are the best to use for it, give them a shot, use ntp with fear, and carpet bomb with max explosion radius and shoot at hordes, it is meant to be very inaccurate which is why i dont see the point of big bertha
@@themanwithnoname1839 In hindsight it makes more sense that it's about crowd clearing, I was just annoyed because at the time I first picked the AA gun thinking it would be the opposite of the minigun. Where I felt like I ended up burning through minigun ammo like there was no tomorrow due to mechanics I didn't know about (2 bullets per bullet) and hoped that the AA gun would be slow and capable of blasting a standard glyphid into a thin green paste in a single shot. which that point also being a reason one might enjoy big bertha focusing in on dropping the AoE
One thing about the boomstick that makes it quite overpowered depending on the terrain you can abuse the close range = high damage weakpoints and the grapple So let's say your going against a praetorian or an oppressor (basically anything with the weakpoint at the back) you can grapple behind them if you time it right you can get really really close to them whilst being directly behind them then quickly switch to the boomstick and do A LOT of damage (even more if the target is distracted by your teammates so it doesn't turn to you) This makes it so much easier to deal with them instead of playing ring around the rosies with a praetorian trying to get behind it
I actually love the volt smg. It's so forgiving and versatile. It's a god teir pairing with the shard difractor as well. I also just love smgs in general so maybe I'm biased xD.
I'm still a new-ish player. Scout and Driller at level 11, and I just promoted my Engineer. The flamethrowr and the Breach Cutter have been my favorites, alongside the Smart Rifle. So I'm taking your advice. My neighbour has been exclusively playing the Gunner and didn't like the 2nd weapons. But I'm gonna tell him to try the thrid ones. Sounds like he's gonna enjoy them
As a scout main, I wholeheartedly disagree with all of your placements for his primaries. The Drak feels like just a better GK2 to me, and while the m1000 is incredible for dealing with single targets, it also gets one of the best blowthrough upgrades in the game at +3 penetrations and can oneshot grunts with focus shots. The GK2, while I can't really say much bad about it except its accuracy, suffers from being a jack of all trades and master of none. Any role you want from it you can have, it just won't do it any better than another option.
23:36 To make the EPC work there are a few things you can do. The are few weapons as versatile as the EPC. Although the EPC is widely known for it's mining capability with TCF, it has many other use cases. The normal shots don't deal quiet as much damage as a wavecooker temp shock build would, but this can be easily fixed by taking the "heavy hitter" OC. This OC amplifies your normal shot dmg by 1.6x which means T1A scales phenomenally. Heavy hitter combined with T1A can bring it's normal shot dmg up to 40 dmg, this is a 100% increase from it's base dmg. using this on frozen targets makes easy work of them. Even pretorians die in about 7-8 shots which is crazy. Something a lot of people seem to neglect or simply not know is the fact that the TCF explosion deals 240 dmg. This is enough to kill grunts, slashers and even deal 4/5th of a guard's (and septic's) HP and it even almost one-shots basic mactera's, leaving them on 27HP. The damage combined with it's massive massive 3m radius makes it phenomal for taking down Bet-c's, OMEN's and Hiveguard's protrusions. Taking TCF combined with Persistent plasma gives driller even more zone control through means other than his primaries. When it comes to Temp Shock builds, take T5A in combination with the cryo cannon to inflict high damage+temp shock. You'll miss out on TCF, which is painfull, but the damage is unreal. Overall the EPC is so incredibly versatile and it physically hurts me when someone calls it bad or meh. Even though the EPC arguably has the steepest learning curve out of any weapon in DRG it's by far driller's best secondary.
Personally I'm with Jav, I'm aware that it's by no means bad, it just didn't click with me personally. Every time I brought it with me I found myself wishing I had a no-nonsense hitscan weapon, which is something the Driller just doesn't get in his primaries. I like a secondary that compliments the primary, not competes with it fulfilling more or less the same niche.
My friend asked me which is driller’s best primary and secondary. And I had to go through the whole video before answering him. If the weapons could be introduced one role by another, could have been a lot less confusing for the greenbeards.
I kind of agree with Scouts primaries being my least favorite, rn I've been using the Drak with agressive venting and I actually quite enjoy it, it makes overheating (a thing I dont rly wanna have to worry too much about) into a good thing and the overheat duration doesnt even last long. Pair it with the speed buff upon overheating and it feels very fun to overheat and switch to zhukovs or boomstick and go to town.
I have three hot takes. 1. Warthog is a fun gun from the early game to later on 2. Shard defracter is the best engineer secondary 3. I like cryo canon over the flame thrower
Plasma gun sucks until you get that overclock that gives you AOE damage on overheat,then you can wipe out half a swarm really really fast, but it's clear you don't play haz 5+ since m1000 bulldog and the mini gun aren't s tier. It hurts that theyre b tier.
@@whatwhat7119Required and Doing are 2 different things. Play with friends if you want team work on lower difficulties. Random people in the game DO work together on tier 3-4 generally. Like the other dude said, if you play this game with no reason other than difficulty then why look at a tier list with a judging point that it feels cool. Literally one of his points is if a gun isn't cool or interesting it gets a lower score.
@@themanwithnoname1839 Haz 5 is fun for me because it’s the only difficulty where you can actually lose once you have some overclocks unlocked. My favorite thing in Deep Rock are those tense moments where me and my friends are low on health or ammo and have to clutch the mission or come up with a creative plan to get through alive, like damaging a dreadnought with explosive plants or scrambling for nitra at the end of an industrial sabotage mission. For me, a hard time is a fun time. If I want to win every time I can play Kirby’s Epic Yarn, and then at least I can play as Prince Fluff
I have currently 800 hours on steam drg and i can clearly say you are miss represnting the cryo cannon, the cryo is used in conjunction with your drills,throwing axe and charge axe to do some big BURST damage to any enemy. Also where the cryo can be pushed to its limits is also by having the wave cooker with Exothermic Reactor to 'PoP' And Chain nearby enemies to solidify an intense ground game which turns you into a zoning machine. Also learning to machine gun cancel the axe on frozen targets helps burst anything as big as a bulk. Also Cold Radiance has a protective circle around you that can Snap freeze 🥶 anything u dont see coming... Or run straight up to a oppressor and you'll freeze him way quicker and use lesser ammo.. also the cryo + wave cooker setup uses minimal ammo to get the job done. And for perks take Vampire 🦇 to gain Health per kill.. And for style of play you need to play Aggressive to get the best outcome utilising everything in you arsenal youll become a self healing Self Sufficient Wolverine!! Its a no brainer. There is definitely a huge skill ceiling from someone just holding m1 - to someone using the drillers ENTIRE KIT.
Only got 124.9 hours in the game, but I personally despise the rocket launcher. It is fun to shoot with, and to have the rockets follow your cursor, but in my experience it always fell flat in terms of DPS. Single target, Minigun does better. Horde clear, Autocannon's got it covered, and if you ask me, does a better job. If its overclocking that makes it good like I saw on a steam thread, then why would I use it at all until I get the perfect one?
I don't particularly like the Crispr. I think that it isn't useful against bosses and the robot effectiveness is situational at best. I like guns that have variety and I think that the other guns have more variety. Crispr has 2 options, direct damage and sticky-flames. the cryo cannon has ice spear, snowball, freezing speed and direct damage. The sludge pump is a better sticky flames build, plus the other variety builds like goo bomber and sludge blast. sludge pump playstyle is more of my thing personally. the crispr + microwave I really enjoy but I will always end up back on sludge pump.
i think this guy doesn’t like driller lol, which is ok. driller is imo the most support oriented role far and away so i feel like if you’re judging him in solo combat effectiveness situations, that maybe explains some of the discrepancies with driller weapons in particular.
I doubt you have to worry about making any enemies by putting the Stubby in Meh tier, it's just about how you described it: awkward, boring, and generally ineffective. However, the Sludge Pump has some incredible potential when used with overclocks like Sludge Blast, which makes it into a god-tier single target killer, or disperser compound, which gives it ridiculous crowd clear and area denial abilities. Otherwise, I would agree with a lot of the weapon placements in this chart. Good video!
Although this is your "personal opinion" - this is one of the rare cases where you are just wrong. Period. EPC and M1000 highly undervalued, Sludge Pump is an S tier weapon with Dispersion Compound for solo play as well. If you play some solo Haz 6x2 maybe you will learn some more of the game. Best of luck - rock and stone!
I know this is your list but how many hours do you have and what haz do you play on? This list is completely wrong. Unless you're going strickly on fun. But in terms of effectiveness, it's almost backwards.
He specifically says its his opinion and you wanna be a bigot and say "nuh uh my way is better" how bout you stop being a souls/league player and let people have their opinions yea?
@@themanwithnoname1839many new players look up tier lists to get an idea about weapons that are agreed upon good or even best. Thats why brindead people like this guy should stick to making his Hazard 3 gameplay videos and not spreading bad information
It is worth remembering that Engineer’s weapon design is a bit different from the other classes’, and the primary is a bit more like a personal defense weapon and the secondary is a bit more like a special. They do feel weak compared to gunner and driller primaries, but that’s because they fulfill a different role. Stubby is actually pretty good in the sense that you can use the electricity to help you cluster more enemies together to hit with your secondary instead of scoring kills on its own like the warthog and Loki. It also struggles if you’re not moving a lot, so the strategies that work for warthog (staying still and getting kills one by one) doesn’t work for it. Try playing fast and loose like with a scout primary. As for warthog on its own, I do agree that it’s very bog-standard. I kinda hope it gets a rework in s5 like the subata got from s4
I like running a support cryo cannon build. The idea is to use cryo cannon mainly to freeze smaller/medium targets so you can prep them for drilling to get HP with vampire And freeze larger targets before switching to a damage and weakpoint specced subatta w/throwing axes to burst down larger targets.
I use cryo and wave cooker with temp shock build. You just need freeze one bug in a crowd and use the wave cooker and the freeze effect will carry over to the rest of the bugs near it
Hard Hitter EPC is good too. Still allows you to TCF enemies and minerals too. Every time I don't take TCF a scout dies in an awkward place that only my TCF can get them out of.
Anyone else notice the bulldog is a 6 shit break action revolver but when you reload it clearly only holds 4? I know its daft but that really bugs me (no pun intended)
EPC and stubby being in meh makes me sad lol. EPC especially. The rest I can live with. I think you give Zhukov too much credit as well. I appreciate your opinion and viewpoint though! R+S
Zhukovs with embedded detonators do obscene single target damage if you land all your shots. I only take them for elimination but what a joy they are to use.
Thunderhead cannon is fun.. pretty good at area damage, but think its more B tier. 13:20 Yah, you are wrong :P (its ok, i know at this point you're relatively new to the game) If you've been using it, like you were showing in the video, then yeah, it would eat though ammo. Because really, that isnt the best use of it. You dont use the Cyro Cannon to Kill bugs. You use it to Set you (or others) up to kill bugs with other weapons. I use the Cryo with Supercooling Mixture & Cold Radiance w/ the Flow Rate Expansion overclock. This pairs VERY well with the Wave Cooker w/ Exothermic Reactor to trigger thermal shock that will quickly decimate bugs. This also pairs well with Gunners Lead Storm w/ Hot Bullets & Burning hell or Scouts Boomstick /w White Phosphorous Shells. How *I* use it, is in a Melee build. Freeze targets, then melee (pickaxe) them down and gain health with Vampire or toss an Impact Axe (for large groups or bigger targets, and vampire still works) or use the Wavecooker to spread the cold out more and cause massive thermal shock damage (this is my #1 go to loadout). Its a super effective build when you know how to play it (as you said with the Plasma Carbine.. good if you know how to use it). Only time i switch it up is when im going to the Glacial Strata (bugs are more resistant to cold there, dua), which ill swap to the flamethorwer or the sludge pump.. which ever im in the mood for. But yea, I reeally enjoy my Cryo build (i hope GSG doesnt nerf it). 19:55 LOK-1 is S tier, no question. Its my default engie primary. Great for hitting distant targets, and especially good for finding hidden targets (cave leaches). 21:40 Yeah, M1000 is A tier at least (i dont main a Scout). Scout isnt *really* the best at dealing with swarms to begin with, but you dont want him to. You want the other three to be dealing with the lower HP "trash" mobs. You want your scout to be picking off the higher value targets and the distant threats (spitballers, cave leaches, dreadnoughts, praetorian's, menace's, mactera grabbers, ect.) while the other three keep the lower level mobs off your ass (not that they cant do good damage to high HP targets too). 24:00 Plasma charger. Eeeh.. yeah i dono. Im not a fan of this gun either. Its "neat", but doesnt (from what can tell) *really* synergize very well with any of the drillers main weapons. I *could* be used with Burning Nightmare and the Cryo cannon for thermal shock... but the Wave cooker is better for that (and faster). So yeah, i agree this weapon is pretty lackluster and hope GSG does something to fix it. 25:45 Bulldog is a great compliment to the gunners more *aoe-centric* mains. Its good for picking off targets quickly... so long as you are good at hitting weak spots. I use it with Six Shooter & Dead-Eye, Perfect Weight Balance, Increased Caliber Rounds & Hollow-Point Bullets. Works very well and without all the sacrifices of Elephant Rounds. But you do have to be good at hitting weak spots with it. 27:35 Yes, the Shard Diffractor does have a learning curve to it. But once you do learn it, it can be quite powerful. Its my engies Dreadnought build secondary. It also has the added benefit of being able to turn your Plascrete into Bombs with 'Plastcrete Catalyst' :) 28:40 Yeeah.. The Sludge Pump *does* in fact do things super well. Great for crowd control, can do a lot of single target damage (over time, not on hit) but its especially good for slowing them down (which works on dreadnoughts) making them much easier for everyone else (and you with secondaries) to hit with something like your Subata 120 /w Neuro-Corrosive Toxic Catalyst or Wave Cooker w/ Contagion Transmitter. I use it with Protein Disruption Mix & Hydrogen Ion Additive on dreadnoughts to really slow them down, which not only lets it eat away their armor, but makes it easier for everyone else to hit (and use grenades on if they wanted). Its probably the best driller weapon for dreadnoughts (seriously, it chews through their armor). 29:17 The Stubby is very good when used correctly. I've got mine setup to do alot of electric damage (and yes, with Turret Arc OC) with Electric Arc, Conductive Bullets & Upgraded Capacitors. Slows bugs down aLOT and damages them. Pair that with the Shard Defractor w/ Hydrogen Rupturing, or dont. Just them being slowed and taking DoT damage opens up other opportunities to kill. For the turret shock, you just have to set yourself up to take advantage of it. Turrets no more than 10m apart, and set them up in choke points to force bugs to walk though them. 30:50 Subata 120 used to be a pretty poor weapon, but with Volatile Bullets & Neuro-Corrosive Toxic Catalyst, its become a decent sidearm for the flamethrower & sludge pump (respectively). Ive switched to using this with Neuro-Corrosive Toxic Catalyst & Hollow-Point Bullets (away from the wave cooker) with my Sludge pump for my Dreadnought build. Still toying with overclocks with it but currently using Chain Hit (specifically for the Hiveguard). All that said, yeah, the more experience you get with the game, and all the weapons, you're opinions will change. Many of us had the fortune of getting good with the base weapons (back when there was only 2 primary & secondaries) so when the 3rds got added, we could quickly figure out each of the strengths and weaknesses .Also, most of us likely used those new 3rd weapons exclusively for a while to see what they could do. And thats really what it takes. Picking weapons, and running them for a while, to see what you can do with them. Switching up the mods & overclocks, finding the synergies.
Fortunately DRG has no like really bullshit weapons at least imo. Of course as you already mentioned different weapons fit different application as far as effectiveness goes. And at least for me effectiveness is very important to the overall experience using it. Being very uneffective can easily make an otherwise very cool weapon meh. For example I like playing experimental rounds BRT to keep up my DPS while I have born ready reload Big Bertha Thunderhead. Didn´t get NTP yet but I´ll test it as soon as I get it as everyone seems to be a bit freakin out about that. Anotherone would be that Warthog was the primary on the engineer I liked using the least for its lacking capabilities of clearing enemies unless they are very close. At least too close for my liking on a character lacking combat mobility a bit like the engineer when compared to the scout with the grappling hook. Talking about the scout I found the boomstick to be pretty effective to either run or zip into a group of grunts and slaughter most of em with a few shots or to get the area cleared out quick when I got myself in trouble paying to little attention. One might even say it´s difficult to put up a tier list for DRGs weapons as so much is more personal opinion than real hard facts. And I think that´s really good for this game and shows things are generally well belanced what is how it should be imo.
I wonder if the choices here are meant to be controversial to generate discussion and more views. Anyway…as someone who plays regularly on Hazard 5 with all classes I do strongly disagree with a lot of the ratings here. Flamethrower is an S tier weapon in terms of effectiveness. But it’s too darn effective and trivializes a lot of missions/swarms. I find it gets boring with how powerful it is. Drak Plasma rifle is one of Scouts few reliable AoE options with Impact Deflection/Bouncy overclock. It lets him occasionally carry and scale even in Haz 5 games. Hands down an S tier weapon for me in every dimension. M1000 I think is one of the worst weapons. It requires a lot of “skill” and the amount of effort to master it does not match the reward for using it. It’s unfriendly for people playing with a gamepad and not a mouse. And perhaps the least ergonomic of all of the weapons. I’m not a fan of weapons that favor players based on using mouse or gamepad. And even if this thing had infinite ammo, it’s just too ineffective to scale at higher Hazard 5 games.
The right loadouts will change your mind drastically and will make certain weapons busted. For example M1000 (Hipster overclock) in combination with with the zhukov (cryo minelets) will shredd through hoards. Thank me later. My personal s tier loadout and i know its s tier cus i use that on Elite Deep Dives and i take out more enemies than my teammates using driller or gunner (higher fire power)
So weird to see Stubby so low down there, especially compared to LOK. LOK is fun from time to time but whenever I play it I always just think how much better I would do with Stubby. Overall these weapon tier lists are basically worthless and may give new players the feeling that some weapons are not even worth trying. Because overall weapon balance itself is pretty good and it mostly comes down to what youre good at. So, if any new player might read this; find whats fun for you and ignore these tier lists.
This is so helpful to watch as a greenbeard, I’m about 4 hours into the game. I’m playing co-op with my brothers and the quick breakdowns give me a general idea of what to look forward to.. even the lower tiers 😁
Tbh you really shouldnt be looking at tier lists for a game like drg. Simply using what others say is the best wont get you anywhere, especially as a new player. My real suggestion is for you to try everything out for yourself, because everything in drg is usable.
simply outrageous. No effin way you're shitting on stubby, which shredds non-explosove chemichal rounds loki in terms of efficency. Also EPC is superior to subata in every single way. You have 10000 promotions and still cant accept it instead of subata.
anyone else tired of rockpox and remember when it was fun before the devs said this "so you want to get in close to hit the blisters but since of the drills being op instead of the gas coming out of blisters just for melee it goes out no mater what so stay far away" also I was able to kill Harold in 15 seconds so yay
I despise drillers that mine using the EPC. Most of the time they just shoot and expect others to collect the shards strewn everywhere while they move on to look for another veins to shoot.
@@SimonWoodburyForget it might not be the best weapon if you judge it only by its damage. But if you know how to use it, it is very powerful. M1000's overclocks can significantly change your gameplay not just give you slightly more ammo
I mean we have driller and also perks that help with that stuff. Maybe they could buff some of the melee perks and/or add more (idk I think we have enough melee perks but we definitely need more perks overall just not for melee imo). If I recall see u in hell only effects regular melee attacks and not power attacks so it doesn’t work at all with berserker which is dumb. Change that and it would definitely help.
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For me the M1000 is definitelly S tier. It's true that it's not good for swarms, but it's not meant to be. It is a weapon made for maximum single target dmg, and it excels in that department. I love pairing it with armor-breaking Zukhovs to still be able to deal with swarms while focusing HVTs with the sniper
M1000 is great against swarms, just take armour break and blowthru
The m1000 is definitly not the best a hoard control but i will make a dreadknot shit its pants.
@@LEGENDARYX_GAMINGsingle target burst cant be an S tier
@@6patka387 go ask any modded player about the M1000...
Turns out single target can far and away be the best option for a class. Specifically Scout
I love running this with Jumbo Shells Boomstick as a secondary, to have both extremely good single target sniper and Boomstick as burst damage when the swarm tries to get to your face. Also, Hoverclock is just so much fun to use!
Man, Sludge Pump as a c is some massive clickbait. Lol
How do you properly use it because I suck at sludge pump???
This guy clearly plays gunner bc no way thunderhead is better than sludge and cryo
No matter what build, I find just sending a charge shot into a group and then sending single shots at those that don't get covered.
I treat the charge shot like a grenade it will drop a good amouint of damage and can insta kill a group.
I usually use Volatile Impact Mixture with 13222 for your mods. Just hit a grunt once with a single shot and it is dead. It takes out half their health in one shot and then they die moments later. A slasher is like two shots.
The charge shot into a group can instantly kill multiple. A single shot can also hit another grunt with full damage if it is close enough. Sludge Pump is by far my favorite driller weapon.@@MOAON_AABE
@@MOAON_AABEAs a crowd control weapon in conjunction with your secondary, like all driller weapons.
@@qbcomicaddict2590Kinda depends on the build.
This tier list pains me. The m1000 in anywhere but S tier, the EPC in meh, the sludge pump being placed alongside the damn drak… hey man whatever you have fun with. Rock and stone, brother!
His take on the experimental plasma charger is also braindead.
The collapsing bubble trait makes it the only viable Driller secondary.
No disrespect to this guy as a person but his takes in this game are absolutely nuts, in more vids then this one. Not even kidding worst takes ive seen in any video game ever. The videos are fun though I must admit.
yknow a community is great when the tierlist comments aren't insulting the creators intelligence
@@TopDismasFanto be fair, this was back when he wasn't very experienced, and in comparison to a lot of other people doing tierlists he still isn't that experienced at deep rock
My personal rating for the Sludge Pump went up from C to A solely because I started treating it more like a shotgun this season. I keep CRSPR at S too though because its just too fun to burn everything down
I think I’m the only person who thinks cryo cannon is OP. Driller has the 3 best gun options overall IMO
Ye. Putting cryo cannon in b is crazy
Yea you are the only one, the cryo cannon is shit, try it out with a dread, ill wait
Yeah you probably are. It is my favourite weapon and I run it constantly on driller, but i dont pretend that its good.
@@arcturuslight_ I guess all those elite deathless deep dives means it sucks! Thanks for that really helpful input. Glad to see such positive players in DRG!
@@themanwithnoname1839 you don’t seriously use a gun without checking the mission?
Very different tier list from the one I would have
Try using EPC TCF on a group of bugs and tanky targets like Praetorians. It's not exclusively for mining as well, you can clear high walls to make space for the team which is very useful on top of the C4 and Drills that you already have.
I totally respect your opinions but I really want to suggest some different perspectives as well, the Minigun is an extremely versatile weapon with things like Burning hell + Volatile Bullets Bulldog for some crazy ignition and super high damage with the bulldog itself. Along with that Lead Storm offers some of the highest sustained dps in the whole game, only time I'd put auto cannon above the minigun would be with NTP as that overclock is nuts. As for the rocket pods in my eyes the only really solid playstyle is minelayer but at that point if you have a good sticky fuel driller then it's not as relevant in other areas, it's true that Jet Fuel Homebrew slightly outdps Lead storm Lead storm however it's no where near as consistent. I'd suggest giving some builds like Burning hell + Volotile Bullets along with Lead Storm + Hellfire to make up for crowd clear while having crazy great dps. I could talk a lot more about many other weapons but as a gunner player for the most part I wanted to share my opinions, wonderful content but I do highly suggest giving a proper try to all the type of builds you can get your hands on and getting a solid sense of the player style with each overclock before making a tier list as you may not have as much insight into the unique and powerful builds gunners got. Cheers and have a wonderful day, keep making awesome content!
Thank you for your kind and honest feedback. ROCK AND STONE!
For me the cryo cannon really shines with the colette wave cooker, since you can get the frozen enemies to take three times the damage that they would normally take.
exactly. id say its A without the cooked, and S with the cooker
Temp shock doesn't work on cyro's 3x damage output
Not to mention the cooker does have a tier choice that lets afflicted enemies explode and spread that affliction to others. This, in my opinion, shines the brightest with the cryo cannon, but only at higher hazard levels. the more bugs there are, the better this combo becomes. I have frozen half a whole wave with ease and minimal ammo waste by just switching between the two guns, then throwing axes at occasional praetorians. Running low on health? Drill up the sea of frozen bugs with Vlad perk and basically go back to full. I never have easier missions than the ones with my cryo build.
Try pairing the snowball cryo cannon 23131 (tier 2 seems like a weird mod choice but the downtime reduction after launching an ice bomb is really nice) paired with a heavy hitter EPC 12322 (very important to take thin containment field over burning nightmare. The temp shock is tantalizing for swag factor but defrosts bugs so you end up doing only a fraction of the damage you can get out with normal plasma, & you can't shoot burning nightmare as much before overheating). This build allows you to choose between cryo drilling & shattering grunt swarms depending on how many bugs are around. If there's a lot, go for the fragile instakill with the primary fire, if it's just the grunts, launch over a cold one for the boys, the boys being your bodacious drill hands. The ice bomb with snowball will instantly freeze everything except oppressors, goo bombers, & breeders, but you can two shot those into freezing status thanks to the ~6 seconds of tick freezing which completely prevents their temperature from going up. You'll need some fast axes or really quick weapon switching to deal with the oppressors before they thaw out, but everything else that doesn't get shattered into a fine pile of crystalized glyphid with fragile from the primary fire or drilled to death will become easy fodder for the EPC.
Persistent plasma on EPC is really fun, especially putting it on top of a sticky flames area or a bunch of sludge
The experimental plasma charger is really fun in combination with the cryo cannon. You freeze everything and then go bewbewbewbew and kill them all before they unfreeze
I understand people picking up the EPC and thinking it is useless because it is not supposed to be a direct combat weapon imo. But the EPC is such an incredible utility between mining to slowing plasma fields to lighting sludge puddles on fire it combos to become some of the best swarm support in the game, especially with the sludge pump.
Yup. I got Heavy Hitter OC on it which boost normal shots. Way I have it built I can light a puddle on fire in two regular shots. I also have the pump OC that makes a long line of puddles. Bugs are reduced to truding through burning slime. I almost feel bad for them. Almost.
I would put the cryo cannon in high A because of its synergy with Vampire and bezerker, you can freeze enemies and spam your pickaxe attack and use your drills and the impact axes to get HP back. Yes drills and Impact Axes count as melee. I have done many deep dives with that build. Pair it with something like EPC or Wave Cooker and you are set. It works for everything except elemination missions.
Guide for making the EPC more fun:
When you are facing bugs, mine the bugs like minerals.
You have to aim kind of above the bugs and then detonate it, which makes it a different way of aiming, but it absolutely cleans house when you do. The damage of Thin Containment Field explosions is high enough that it'll instantly vaporize grunts and chunk praetorian/oppressor health all for the low cost of 9 ammo and some good aim.
I can literally feel myself becoming worse in the game while watching this vid. Putting autocannon into A-tier above boltshark, boomstick, bulldog and minigun is just nonsense.
Zhukovs, epc and m1000 placement is also bruh.
i agree with the epc placement being inaccurate, since it is a solid weapon, but zhukovs absolutely deserve s-tier. but yeah, boltshark is better than autocannon
@@crimsondemon1382 explain your boltshark comment?
He specifically stated the autocannons versatile uses is why he put it there.... And you still cant understand......
@@themanwithnoname1839 re read his comment and re read mine. Wtf lol
@@themanwithnoname1839 I literally asked why he put the bolt shark above the autocannon 🙄
The brt is being heavily slept on by the whole community, i will stand by my lovely brt till the day i die
yes bulldog has better burst damage, but the consistency of brt is unmatched. Revolver has heavy inaccuracy if used rapidly or while moving, so anything you don’t one shot will require more attention, which can be life or death in a high stakes environment. This is especially noticeable when using it to kill groups of mactera.
Brt don’t care, you can run jump shoot and wank off while guaranteeing anything you look at will be shot. Can kill tanky targets and groups of long range ones consistently, and grabbing the stun mod makes killing pretorians a joke
additionally bulldogs low fire rate and small mag means missing a shot is alot more punishing than the brt
when the bulldog is at its strongest it heavily outclasses brt, but its also has its moments where its inaccuracy and low ammo pool makes it difficult to use when your backs to the wall and you can’t line up your shots. Brt never has a moment where it wont be useful. Stunning and melting pretorians, killing distant targets, all while not having to worry about aiming or standing still. Brt is my boy and i will protect him at all cost.
once i got lead spray for the burt it became the only gunner secondary for me
yea fair point. Basically the bulldog is for veteran players and brt is for newer players as it is less punishing. I prefer the bulldog but I only use it on hvts, such as mactarea. For tanky bugs, that is what volatile bullets if for.
@@Capense-q9m I dont agree with one being for veterans and one for newer players. New players even start with the bulldog so they'd get a feel for that gun until lvl 15 when they can unlock the BRT. Brt imo isnt the most fun but it's just rly fucking good at taking care of big bugs AND it is the only gunner secondary with armor break. I dont rly find the "armor break" on the coilgun super good as it just takes too long to charge up shots and reload
Just came here from your video "The Leadstorm is the gunnners STRONGEST weapon" to find it here as a B tier gun.
Very cool list and you give a great vibe. Thanks for the video!
great video. but maybe you should do tier list videos in a more orderly fashion like all scout weapons then all engineer weapons etc. but good job so far interesting opinions
Sludge Pump should be higher tbh, it is very ammo efficient. If bugs are close enough to together (which they usually are) one shot can hit multiple of them, doesn’t even need to be a charged shot. The DOT effect does a majority of your damage, plus it slows enemies down. And even if you miss, you still create puddles which do less damage than direct DOTs, but it slows down enemies way more. Plus the direct DOT and Puddle DOT effects stack, combine this with the slowdown mod and contagion transmitter on the Wave Cooker and you can turn every spider into a slug.
for a guy who says plasma carbine is the best, quite a low ranking for it 😆
The plasma charger being in meh tier is wild, honestly might be S tier for me with thin contaiment field. Huge aoe ball of death and you put that in meh? This pained me
Here's how you can bump up cryo cannon up at least one tier:
1) realize frozen enemies take more damage
2) realize this includes melee damage
3) realize your drills do, in fact, count as melee damage
4) realize vampire is a perk that exists
5) enjoy your infinite health, especially on shield disruption missions
The idea is to boost frost effect via overclock and upgrades, fire it just long enough to freeze everything in front of you, switch to drills and delete the swarm. Bigger targets can be taken out by freezing and an axe or a secondary. Instant kills on flying targets if frozen and preventing exploders from doing their thing are a bonus.
People who use the drills as melee weapons are the worst players in the game..... That would be like scout using the flare gun as a long range sniper cuz it in fact does do damage and quite a bit more than you might think, the drills are ass for melee considering you NEED to pair them with that dogshit cryo gun
The Coilgun is S for me because of the utility of being able to embed the end of the rideable portion of the zipline in the wall.
I just realized, the mouths of the glyphids are identical to the mouths on the mutant bread in TF2, I think it would be funny if TF2 Soldier teleported some bread to Hoxes, and after centuries, Dwarves from a not-earth planet come to Hoxes, and think that the descendants of the mutant bread are native to the planet
Burst gun with electro minlets --> straight into god tier!
I'll respect your opinions, though give a few opinions of my own.
Heavy Autocannon: I can totally understand the appeal, but it never quite clicked with me since the accuracy and the feeling like you HAVE to build it for AD clearing for me. Though maybe I'm just bad at the game.
CRISPR: I'm just Mad about this thing. Knowing that the optimal strat with this thing is NOT to actually spew flames into enemy lines like a Goddamn Dragon, but instead to paint the ground with it using Sticky Flames Sticky Fuel.
PGL: Honestly I wanna put this one into S tier just because I feel like Hyperpropellent is a Dopamine Factory.
Hurricane: YES. S TIER. Also for me, Plasma Bursters.
Leadstorm: It's definitely good for what it does, but I despise the fact that it uses 2 rounds per shot fired. If you give me 2400 ammunition I expect to be able to deal 2400 bullets worth of damage. And for the longest time I felt like the lead storm was comically weak because I was like "what do you mean I went through all these rounds already?" I want to actually shoot exactly as many bullets as it says I shoot.
Corrosive Sludge Pump: a weapon that makes that "Trap-setting" playstyle I whined about the CRISPR having feel like it actually makes sense. Also the fact that it shreds Bosses and Swarms alike is wonderful. Like you put a puddle under a dreadnaught and it'll be eaten alive while it'll usually completely resist both Fire and Ice.
Stubby: Honestly, you're not WRONG, though it's kinda become my most used engineer primary purely because its AOE damage makes up for me running Hyperprop. Though it does kinda just feel like mindless spray and pray.
Warthog: I feel like C tier is a bit harsh for this one though I get your reasoning... I'm kinda just quietly waiting to get an actually decent OC for this thing.
Zhukovs: Honestly, I have the same beef with this one that I do the lead storm. WHY DO THEY COST 2 AMMO PER BULLET. Though I'm not sure how to build it.
On your point about the autocannon, i think you misunderstand the weapon, its essentially an anti aircraft gun, it shoots explosive inaccurate rounds, its meant to have a spread for crowd clearing, thats why carpet bomb and neurotoxin rounds are the best to use for it, give them a shot, use ntp with fear, and carpet bomb with max explosion radius and shoot at hordes, it is meant to be very inaccurate which is why i dont see the point of big bertha
@@themanwithnoname1839 In hindsight it makes more sense that it's about crowd clearing, I was just annoyed because at the time I first picked the AA gun thinking it would be the opposite of the minigun. Where I felt like I ended up burning through minigun ammo like there was no tomorrow due to mechanics I didn't know about (2 bullets per bullet) and hoped that the AA gun would be slow and capable of blasting a standard glyphid into a thin green paste in a single shot.
which that point also being a reason one might enjoy big bertha focusing in on dropping the AoE
I would put the hurricane in the B and Lead Storm in the S
One thing about the boomstick that makes it quite overpowered depending on the terrain you can abuse the close range = high damage weakpoints and the grapple
So let's say your going against a praetorian or an oppressor (basically anything with the weakpoint at the back) you can grapple behind them if you time it right you can get really really close to them whilst being directly behind them then quickly switch to the boomstick and do A LOT of damage (even more if the target is distracted by your teammates so it doesn't turn to you)
This makes it so much easier to deal with them instead of playing ring around the rosies with a praetorian trying to get behind it
Basically it's not the best weapon but it can be really op if you know what your doing
I actually love the volt smg. It's so forgiving and versatile. It's a god teir pairing with the shard difractor as well. I also just love smgs in general so maybe I'm biased xD.
I'm still a new-ish player. Scout and Driller at level 11, and I just promoted my Engineer. The flamethrowr and the Breach Cutter have been my favorites, alongside the Smart Rifle. So I'm taking your advice.
My neighbour has been exclusively playing the Gunner and didn't like the 2nd weapons. But I'm gonna tell him to try the thrid ones. Sounds like he's gonna enjoy them
Plasma carbine in c tier and stubby in meh hurts me so much I cannot describe this type of pain
As a scout main, I wholeheartedly disagree with all of your placements for his primaries. The Drak feels like just a better GK2 to me, and while the m1000 is incredible for dealing with single targets, it also gets one of the best blowthrough upgrades in the game at +3 penetrations and can oneshot grunts with focus shots.
The GK2, while I can't really say much bad about it except its accuracy, suffers from being a jack of all trades and master of none. Any role you want from it you can have, it just won't do it any better than another option.
I'd personally put the m1000 up in mid to high A, the GK2 in low B or high C, and the Drak in high B tier or low A tier
Honestly can't disagree with your placement of any of the secondaries, though
13:35 what's the name of that AR skin & paintjob ?
*It looks neat, kinda want it for my Colonial Marine Scout build
23:36 To make the EPC work there are a few things you can do.
The are few weapons as versatile as the EPC. Although the EPC is widely known for it's mining capability with TCF, it has many other use cases.
The normal shots don't deal quiet as much damage as a wavecooker temp shock build would, but this can be easily fixed by taking the "heavy hitter" OC. This OC amplifies your normal shot dmg by 1.6x which means T1A scales phenomenally. Heavy hitter combined with T1A can bring it's normal shot dmg up to 40 dmg, this is a 100% increase from it's base dmg. using this on frozen targets makes easy work of them. Even pretorians die in about 7-8 shots which is crazy.
Something a lot of people seem to neglect or simply not know is the fact that the TCF explosion deals 240 dmg. This is enough to kill grunts, slashers and even deal 4/5th of a guard's (and septic's) HP and it even almost one-shots basic mactera's, leaving them on 27HP. The damage combined with it's massive massive 3m radius makes it phenomal for taking down Bet-c's, OMEN's and Hiveguard's protrusions.
Taking TCF combined with Persistent plasma gives driller even more zone control through means other than his primaries.
When it comes to Temp Shock builds, take T5A in combination with the cryo cannon to inflict high damage+temp shock. You'll miss out on TCF, which is painfull, but the damage is unreal.
Overall the EPC is so incredibly versatile and it physically hurts me when someone calls it bad or meh. Even though the EPC arguably has the steepest learning curve out of any weapon in DRG it's by far driller's best secondary.
Personally I'm with Jav, I'm aware that it's by no means bad, it just didn't click with me personally. Every time I brought it with me I found myself wishing I had a no-nonsense hitscan weapon, which is something the Driller just doesn't get in his primaries. I like a secondary that compliments the primary, not competes with it fulfilling more or less the same niche.
That T1A Heavy Hitter blew past me, thanks for the tip. I've usually run T1B for more ammo, together with T4B for more, because I TCF more often.
@@RazorPhoenix7 Personally i do the same, i take ammo for more TCF. The steep dmg increase is definitely something to think about though.
My friend asked me which is driller’s best primary and secondary. And I had to go through the whole video before answering him. If the weapons could be introduced one role by another, could have been a lot less confusing for the greenbeards.
I kind of agree with Scouts primaries being my least favorite, rn I've been using the Drak with agressive venting and I actually quite enjoy it, it makes overheating (a thing I dont rly wanna have to worry too much about) into a good thing and the overheat duration doesnt even last long. Pair it with the speed buff upon overheating and it feels very fun to overheat and switch to zhukovs or boomstick and go to town.
I have three hot takes.
1. Warthog is a fun gun from the early game to later on
2. Shard defracter is the best engineer secondary
3. I like cryo canon over the flame thrower
Plasma gun sucks until you get that overclock that gives you AOE damage on overheat,then you can wipe out half a swarm really really fast, but it's clear you don't play haz 5+ since m1000 bulldog and the mini gun aren't s tier. It hurts that theyre b tier.
Yes cuz hazard 5 are for weirdos with an obsession with having a hard time rather than a fun one
@themanwithnoname1839 haz 5 is the only vanilla difficulty that requires teamwork, and if I didn't want team work why wouldn't I just play solo
@@whatwhat7119Required and Doing are 2 different things. Play with friends if you want team work on lower difficulties. Random people in the game DO work together on tier 3-4 generally. Like the other dude said, if you play this game with no reason other than difficulty then why look at a tier list with a judging point that it feels cool. Literally one of his points is if a gun isn't cool or interesting it gets a lower score.
@@themanwithnoname1839 Haz 5 is fun for me because it’s the only difficulty where you can actually lose once you have some overclocks unlocked. My favorite thing in Deep Rock are those tense moments where me and my friends are low on health or ammo and have to clutch the mission or come up with a creative plan to get through alive, like damaging a dreadnought with explosive plants or scrambling for nitra at the end of an industrial sabotage mission. For me, a hard time is a fun time. If I want to win every time I can play Kirby’s Epic Yarn, and then at least I can play as Prince Fluff
I have currently 800 hours on steam drg and i can clearly say you are miss represnting the cryo cannon, the cryo is used in conjunction with your drills,throwing axe and charge axe to do some big BURST damage to any enemy. Also where the cryo can be pushed to its limits is also by having the wave cooker with Exothermic Reactor to 'PoP' And Chain nearby enemies to solidify an intense ground game which turns you into a zoning machine. Also learning to machine gun cancel the axe on frozen targets helps burst anything as big as a bulk. Also Cold Radiance has a protective circle around you that can Snap freeze 🥶 anything u dont see coming... Or run straight up to a oppressor and you'll freeze him way quicker and use lesser ammo.. also the cryo + wave cooker setup uses minimal ammo to get the job done. And for perks take Vampire 🦇 to gain Health per kill.. And for style of play you need to play Aggressive to get the best outcome utilising everything in you arsenal youll become a self healing Self Sufficient Wolverine!! Its a no brainer. There is definitely a huge skill ceiling from someone just holding m1 - to someone using the drillers ENTIRE KIT.
Only got 124.9 hours in the game, but I personally despise the rocket launcher. It is fun to shoot with, and to have the rockets follow your cursor, but in my experience it always fell flat in terms of DPS. Single target, Minigun does better. Horde clear, Autocannon's got it covered, and if you ask me, does a better job. If its overclocking that makes it good like I saw on a steam thread, then why would I use it at all until I get the perfect one?
I don't particularly like the Crispr. I think that it isn't useful against bosses and the robot effectiveness is situational at best. I like guns that have variety and I think that the other guns have more variety. Crispr has 2 options, direct damage and sticky-flames. the cryo cannon has ice spear, snowball, freezing speed and direct damage. The sludge pump is a better sticky flames build, plus the other variety builds like goo bomber and sludge blast. sludge pump playstyle is more of my thing personally.
the crispr + microwave I really enjoy but I will always end up back on sludge pump.
Lok-1 under the thunderhead, GL, and hurricane is wildddddd
Cryo cannon in b is absolutely wild
i think this guy doesn’t like driller lol, which is ok. driller is imo the most support oriented role far and away so i feel like if you’re judging him in solo combat effectiveness situations, that maybe explains some of the discrepancies with driller weapons in particular.
I doubt you have to worry about making any enemies by putting the Stubby in Meh tier, it's just about how you described it: awkward, boring, and generally ineffective. However, the Sludge Pump has some incredible potential when used with overclocks like Sludge Blast, which makes it into a god-tier single target killer, or disperser compound, which gives it ridiculous crowd clear and area denial abilities. Otherwise, I would agree with a lot of the weapon placements in this chart. Good video!
Stubby for me feels by far the best and most fun Engi primary.
Although this is your "personal opinion" - this is one of the rare cases where you are just wrong. Period. EPC and M1000 highly undervalued, Sludge Pump is an S tier weapon with Dispersion Compound for solo play as well. If you play some solo Haz 6x2 maybe you will learn some more of the game. Best of luck - rock and stone!
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I know this is your list but how many hours do you have and what haz do you play on? This list is completely wrong. Unless you're going strickly on fun. But in terms of effectiveness, it's almost backwards.
He specifically says its his opinion and you wanna be a bigot and say "nuh uh my way is better" how bout you stop being a souls/league player and let people have their opinions yea?
@@themanwithnoname1839many new players look up tier lists to get an idea about weapons that are agreed upon good or even best. Thats why brindead people like this guy should stick to making his Hazard 3 gameplay videos and not spreading bad information
Drak SBB 21212 with shield link is super fun on co-op with good CC and Damage
It is worth remembering that Engineer’s weapon design is a bit different from the other classes’, and the primary is a bit more like a personal defense weapon and the secondary is a bit more like a special. They do feel weak compared to gunner and driller primaries, but that’s because they fulfill a different role.
Stubby is actually pretty good in the sense that you can use the electricity to help you cluster more enemies together to hit with your secondary instead of scoring kills on its own like the warthog and Loki. It also struggles if you’re not moving a lot, so the strategies that work for warthog (staying still and getting kills one by one) doesn’t work for it. Try playing fast and loose like with a scout primary.
As for warthog on its own, I do agree that it’s very bog-standard. I kinda hope it gets a rework in s5 like the subata got from s4
only really stubby build properly. The warthog and Loki will shread. even then EM discagrge destroys swarms if you set up well
Great video! My boys Shard Diffractor and Drak-25 Plamsa rifle each deserve to move up a tier though
They should make a class room in space rig
With you video on the loop
Seeing the Stubby in the meh tier makes me sad. I love the Stubby with the Shard diffractor, might just be me though...
I like running a support cryo cannon build. The idea is to use cryo cannon mainly to freeze smaller/medium targets so you can prep them for drilling to get HP with vampire
And freeze larger targets before switching to a damage and weakpoint specced subatta w/throwing axes to burst down larger targets.
I use cryo and wave cooker with temp shock build. You just need freeze one bug in a crowd and use the wave cooker and the freeze effect will carry over to the rest of the bugs near it
Hard Hitter EPC is good too. Still allows you to TCF enemies and minerals too. Every time I don't take TCF a scout dies in an awkward place that only my TCF can get them out of.
I've not played the game much so far, but I 100% agree with the engy shotgun. I feel like I'm shooting nerf darts.
Anyone else notice the bulldog is a 6 shit break action revolver but when you reload it clearly only holds 4? I know its daft but that really bugs me (no pun intended)
EPC and stubby being in meh makes me sad lol. EPC especially. The rest I can live with. I think you give Zhukov too much credit as well. I appreciate your opinion and viewpoint though! R+S
Zhukovs with embedded detonators do obscene single target damage if you land all your shots. I only take them for elimination but what a joy they are to use.
Subatta higher than EPC is diabolical.
As an Stubby SMG enjoier - WHYYY!
Spoken like a true brown beard. Rock and Stone!
You saying cowboy weapon makes me REALLY want a lever action.
YESS!
Thunderhead cannon is fun.. pretty good at area damage, but think its more B tier.
13:20 Yah, you are wrong :P (its ok, i know at this point you're relatively new to the game) If you've been using it, like you were showing in the video, then yeah, it would eat though ammo. Because really, that isnt the best use of it. You dont use the Cyro Cannon to Kill bugs. You use it to Set you (or others) up to kill bugs with other weapons. I use the Cryo with Supercooling Mixture & Cold Radiance w/ the Flow Rate Expansion overclock. This pairs VERY well with the Wave Cooker w/ Exothermic Reactor to trigger thermal shock that will quickly decimate bugs. This also pairs well with Gunners Lead Storm w/ Hot Bullets & Burning hell or Scouts Boomstick /w White Phosphorous Shells. How *I* use it, is in a Melee build. Freeze targets, then melee (pickaxe) them down and gain health with Vampire or toss an Impact Axe (for large groups or bigger targets, and vampire still works) or use the Wavecooker to spread the cold out more and cause massive thermal shock damage (this is my #1 go to loadout). Its a super effective build when you know how to play it (as you said with the Plasma Carbine.. good if you know how to use it). Only time i switch it up is when im going to the Glacial Strata (bugs are more resistant to cold there, dua), which ill swap to the flamethorwer or the sludge pump.. which ever im in the mood for. But yea, I reeally enjoy my Cryo build (i hope GSG doesnt nerf it).
19:55 LOK-1 is S tier, no question. Its my default engie primary. Great for hitting distant targets, and especially good for finding hidden targets (cave leaches).
21:40 Yeah, M1000 is A tier at least (i dont main a Scout). Scout isnt *really* the best at dealing with swarms to begin with, but you dont want him to. You want the other three to be dealing with the lower HP "trash" mobs. You want your scout to be picking off the higher value targets and the distant threats (spitballers, cave leaches, dreadnoughts, praetorian's, menace's, mactera grabbers, ect.) while the other three keep the lower level mobs off your ass (not that they cant do good damage to high HP targets too).
24:00 Plasma charger. Eeeh.. yeah i dono. Im not a fan of this gun either. Its "neat", but doesnt (from what can tell) *really* synergize very well with any of the drillers main weapons. I *could* be used with Burning Nightmare and the Cryo cannon for thermal shock... but the Wave cooker is better for that (and faster). So yeah, i agree this weapon is pretty lackluster and hope GSG does something to fix it.
25:45 Bulldog is a great compliment to the gunners more *aoe-centric* mains. Its good for picking off targets quickly... so long as you are good at hitting weak spots. I use it with Six Shooter & Dead-Eye, Perfect Weight Balance, Increased Caliber Rounds & Hollow-Point Bullets. Works very well and without all the sacrifices of Elephant Rounds. But you do have to be good at hitting weak spots with it.
27:35 Yes, the Shard Diffractor does have a learning curve to it. But once you do learn it, it can be quite powerful. Its my engies Dreadnought build secondary. It also has the added benefit of being able to turn your Plascrete into Bombs with 'Plastcrete Catalyst' :)
28:40 Yeeah.. The Sludge Pump *does* in fact do things super well. Great for crowd control, can do a lot of single target damage (over time, not on hit) but its especially good for slowing them down (which works on dreadnoughts) making them much easier for everyone else (and you with secondaries) to hit with something like your Subata 120 /w Neuro-Corrosive Toxic Catalyst or Wave Cooker w/ Contagion Transmitter. I use it with Protein Disruption Mix & Hydrogen Ion Additive on dreadnoughts to really slow them down, which not only lets it eat away their armor, but makes it easier for everyone else to hit (and use grenades on if they wanted). Its probably the best driller weapon for dreadnoughts (seriously, it chews through their armor).
29:17 The Stubby is very good when used correctly. I've got mine setup to do alot of electric damage (and yes, with Turret Arc OC) with Electric Arc, Conductive Bullets & Upgraded Capacitors. Slows bugs down aLOT and damages them. Pair that with the Shard Defractor w/ Hydrogen Rupturing, or dont. Just them being slowed and taking DoT damage opens up other opportunities to kill. For the turret shock, you just have to set yourself up to take advantage of it. Turrets no more than 10m apart, and set them up in choke points to force bugs to walk though them.
30:50 Subata 120 used to be a pretty poor weapon, but with Volatile Bullets & Neuro-Corrosive Toxic Catalyst, its become a decent sidearm for the flamethrower & sludge pump (respectively). Ive switched to using this with Neuro-Corrosive Toxic Catalyst & Hollow-Point Bullets (away from the wave cooker) with my Sludge pump for my Dreadnought build. Still toying with overclocks with it but currently using Chain Hit (specifically for the Hiveguard).
All that said, yeah, the more experience you get with the game, and all the weapons, you're opinions will change. Many of us had the fortune of getting good with the base weapons (back when there was only 2 primary & secondaries) so when the 3rds got added, we could quickly figure out each of the strengths and weaknesses .Also, most of us likely used those new 3rd weapons exclusively for a while to see what they could do. And thats really what it takes. Picking weapons, and running them for a while, to see what you can do with them. Switching up the mods & overclocks, finding the synergies.
I swear he did this for the controversy...
the only part a driller main agrees with is subata in c, oh my god
He obviusly didnt played other classes enought.
Crying about that cryo cannon placement, completely negating armour and making oppressors a joke is value beyond compare
oh don't get me wrong it can extremely good!
Fortunately DRG has no like really bullshit weapons at least imo. Of course as you already mentioned different weapons fit different application as far as effectiveness goes. And at least for me effectiveness is very important to the overall experience using it. Being very uneffective can easily make an otherwise very cool weapon meh.
For example I like playing experimental rounds BRT to keep up my DPS while I have born ready reload Big Bertha Thunderhead. Didn´t get NTP yet but I´ll test it as soon as I get it as everyone seems to be a bit freakin out about that. Anotherone would be that Warthog was the primary on the engineer I liked using the least for its lacking capabilities of clearing enemies unless they are very close. At least too close for my liking on a character lacking combat mobility a bit like the engineer when compared to the scout with the grappling hook. Talking about the scout I found the boomstick to be pretty effective to either run or zip into a group of grunts and slaughter most of em with a few shots or to get the area cleared out quick when I got myself in trouble paying to little attention.
One might even say it´s difficult to put up a tier list for DRGs weapons as so much is more personal opinion than real hard facts. And I think that´s really good for this game and shows things are generally well belanced what is how it should be imo.
Shard defractor didn’t go into S tier, all other opinions are invalidated.
Boomstick and Boltshark in the same tier? Are you insane?
I wonder if the choices here are meant to be controversial to generate discussion and more views. Anyway…as someone who plays regularly on Hazard 5 with all classes I do strongly disagree with a lot of the ratings here.
Flamethrower is an S tier weapon in terms of effectiveness. But it’s too darn effective and trivializes a lot of missions/swarms. I find it gets boring with how powerful it is.
Drak Plasma rifle is one of Scouts few reliable AoE options with Impact Deflection/Bouncy overclock. It lets him occasionally carry and scale even in Haz 5 games. Hands down an S tier weapon for me in every dimension.
M1000 I think is one of the worst weapons. It requires a lot of “skill” and the amount of effort to master it does not match the reward for using it. It’s unfriendly for people playing with a gamepad and not a mouse. And perhaps the least ergonomic of all of the weapons. I’m not a fan of weapons that favor players based on using mouse or gamepad. And even if this thing had infinite ammo, it’s just too ineffective to scale at higher Hazard 5 games.
The right loadouts will change your mind drastically and will make certain weapons busted. For example M1000 (Hipster overclock) in combination with with the zhukov (cryo minelets) will shredd through hoards. Thank me later. My personal s tier loadout and i know its s tier cus i use that on Elite Deep Dives and i take out more enemies than my teammates using driller or gunner (higher fire power)
Double Pistol as S tier is not ok at all
So weird to see Stubby so low down there, especially compared to LOK. LOK is fun from time to time but whenever I play it I always just think how much better I would do with Stubby. Overall these weapon tier lists are basically worthless and may give new players the feeling that some weapons are not even worth trying. Because overall weapon balance itself is pretty good and it mostly comes down to what youre good at.
So, if any new player might read this; find whats fun for you and ignore these tier lists.
This is so helpful to watch as a greenbeard, I’m about 4 hours into the game. I’m playing co-op with my brothers and the quick breakdowns give me a general idea of what to look forward to.. even the lower tiers 😁
Tbh you really shouldnt be looking at tier lists for a game like drg. Simply using what others say is the best wont get you anywhere, especially as a new player. My real suggestion is for you to try everything out for yourself, because everything in drg is usable.
Try that guns by yourself. Its his personal tier list. All weapon is good you need to find your play style.
Where my Drak lovers at
Imma be honest 3 minutes in and i dont agree at all, yeah lets use brt to aoe , Dreads dont light on fire???????????????
simply outrageous. No effin way you're shitting on stubby, which shredds non-explosove chemichal rounds loki in terms of efficency. Also EPC is superior to subata in every single way. You have 10000 promotions and still cant accept it instead of subata.
New players. Dont use this list. It is literally the opposite of whats agreed on by the community.
This has to be rage bait
Lok is S Tier...
anyone else tired of rockpox and remember when it was fun before the devs said this "so you want to get in close to hit the blisters but since of the drills being op instead of the gas coming out of blisters just for melee it goes out no mater what so stay far away" also I was able to kill Harold in 15 seconds so yay
yea rockpox is getting annoying now.
I lpve rockpox personally, I find fighting swarms of it something more than "just call driller"
I despise drillers that mine using the EPC. Most of the time they just shoot and expect others to collect the shards strewn everywhere while they move on to look for another veins to shoot.
The crossbow is fucking awesome and if u just build it for the mission u can never have a game whitout value/fun
Lok-1 is is S tier
Hyperpropellent?
Thank you!
I made a drg tier list in tiermaker
Don't disrespect m1000 like that
@@SimonWoodburyForget it might not be the best weapon if you judge it only by its damage. But if you know how to use it, it is very powerful. M1000's overclocks can significantly change your gameplay not just give you slightly more ammo
@@SimonWoodburyForget Hoverclock allows you to fly without touching the ground unlimited amount of time. I think it's kinda powerful
@@SimonWoodburyForget I mean yeah. It's hard to judge weapons in this game. I should try using Drak more
only shows that you can make a career out of a game and not know anything about it. What the hell is the point of a tier list based on feelings?
I need a melee class
I mean we have driller and also perks that help with that stuff. Maybe they could buff some of the melee perks and/or add more (idk I think we have enough melee perks but we definitely need more perks overall just not for melee imo). If I recall see u in hell only effects regular melee attacks and not power attacks so it doesn’t work at all with berserker which is dumb. Change that and it would definitely help.
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Good to hear my man, thanks for sharing!
I saw
@@Capense-q9m I praised the lord
Bro, some people just go mad because they don't see some weapon in S or bla, bla, bla, he say "in my experience" several times... calm down.
You must not like scout
Lok is S Tier...