Very cool, I am very glad that I found your channel, love the testing and am completely enamored with your wheel guns , though it will be nice to be able to afford one one day, lol 😅 keep up the excellent content!
@@Spohr-ShootingPrecision Heheh...so German... Average radar user: glances over the top of unit, makes an adjustment..."Good enough." German radar user: Nein nein! 'Gut enough ist VERBOTEN!"
Nowadays the 586 is considered a somewhat rare Antique. My L frame is the model 620 which features a tensioned barrel with S&W's ECM rifling which is a variant of polygonal rifling. As for accuracy, I've tested mine with a scope off a sandbag rest and it is a sub 1 moa handgun.
@Spohr-shootingPrecision I'd love to T&E one, especially w 9mm swappable cylinder like all my Taurus 692 videos. Actually pretty slow velocity from 3" so that says the powder the critical duty uses is optomized for 4" barrels. You will see better performance from 3" from hotter Federal or Remington 125 sjhp, maybe Critical Defense, or golden saber which are mid recoil defensive loads. Be nice if you at end showed calipers of expansion in inches of each JHP. Cheers, the button swappable cylinder I first see on a Beretta Prototype on tfbtv I think that may have ended up in Brazil and to the Taurus 692 50 years later....what is your production goal cylinder gap to forcing cone?
Give me a rifled barrel any day that will shoot anything. Polygonal barrels don't shoot just anything. I have one polygonal barreled pistol and I don't like it but it is what it is without changing the barrel to a rifled barrel. I can shoot any kind of jacketed or coated lead bullets with it but it will not shoot bare hard cast lead. A polygonal barrel squeezes the bullet rather than cuts it and the squeezing pushes lead instead of cutting it. So rather than being held by rifling cuts it skips along the hills that leaves lead that was pushed. The excessive lead builds up quickly in the bore. This is why polygonal barrels need jacketed or coated bullets to provide a bullet seal. Higher velocity and a wider range of bullet lengths can lead to problems with polygonal rifling. Rather than suffer all these problems, a rifled barrel is better. These disadvantages outweigh the advantages of less friction with jacketed/coated bullets and ease of barrel production over rifled barrels. When you fire a lead bullet in a polygonal rifled barrel, which has shallow hills and valleys instead of grooves and lands, the lead bullet isn't gouged. Instead, the rifling squeezes down by the rifling, and the lead bullet will frequently “skip” over the hills. This leaves lead deposits throughout the barrel.
I have owned and shot polygonal barrelled pistols by Walther and HK. Regardless of ammo used (jacketed, plated, poly coated), they ALL leave lead deposits. This is my one gripe against polygonal rifled barrels...
That was quite a drop in velocity and resulting energy for the 3 inch. That brought it down to almost 9mm+P velocities. Still good but 200 fps loss is quite high.
@@Spohr-ShootingPrecision it is a case when a defected cartridge is fired. The sound is mild and the bullet energy so low that it either stays in the barrel or if it leaves it does not go far. The issue is critical for the user must not fire another round if the bullet is still in the barrell.
Rumor has it that polygon rifling can increase velocity over conventional rifling by as much as 5%, but it really depends on the individual barrel, cylinder gap, and cylinder construction. The tighter the tolerances, the higher the theoretical velocity you can achieve due to less gas leakage. However, tighter tolerances in the bore could induce more drag if peak pressure is reached before the projectile exits the muzzle. Also, you could reach a point of diminishing returns where increased pressure becomes dangerous. This concern probably applies more to rifles than handguns.
@@Paladin1873 Polygonal rifling causes lead buildup in their barrels regardless of bullet type used. Anyone wonder why certain German agencies specify conventional rifling in their agency-issued pistols (P8A1)?
@@TrollMeister-s6n The question was about velocity, not leading. I can't speak to why a government agency might specify conventional rifling, but any barrel will accumulate lead deposits, copper fouling, and/or powder residue over time. All that differs is the rate of accumulation and its affect on accuracy or functional reliability. If leading becomes a problem, a tool such as the Lewis Lead Remover can quickly correct it. Some manufacturers caution against using lead bullets or reloads, but this is more of a CYA legal tactic than a true safety or reliability issue. For example, when I went through the official Glock Armorers Course, the instructor told us about a range pistol he examined that had fired several hundred thousand rounds of lead projectiles without cleaning. The bore was so clogged with deposits that it was squeezing the bullets down to a smaller caliber, yet it still functioned and had not bulged the barrel. He removed the lead and it regained its former accuracy.
I wouldn't do it either. I do think it's most likely to damage a revolver with a loaded cylinder and possibly with lower grade steel used for the crane and lock parts. There's quite a bit of shock through all that when firing and they can't get away with too mild of a grade steel even on the cheapest revolvers. Of course if you bend something you can always straighten it back in that case. Maybe not on the MIM parts which some are almost all MIM except the barrel.
The Smiths do look pretty damn nice... when they get the barrel shroud on straight and it's all polished or matte finished evenly and the rear sight isn't crooked and you don't look at the side with the hillary hole in it.
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Very cool, I am very glad that I found your channel, love the testing and am completely enamored with your wheel guns , though it will be nice to be able to afford one one day, lol 😅 keep up the excellent content!
Waiting for the 3 inch with DLC to make it to the US.
Just saw the TFBtv video about your guns. I now know who all of my gun money will go to!!!!
What is that attachment on top of the LabRadar? Also Thomas was having a bit much fun slappin the ballistic gel blocks
Hey, on the top is just a red-dot for better adjusting the LapRadar.
@@Spohr-ShootingPrecision Heheh...so German...
Average radar user: glances over the top of unit, makes an adjustment..."Good enough."
German radar user: Nein nein! 'Gut enough ist VERBOTEN!"
What about group size ?
Nowadays the 586 is considered a somewhat rare Antique. My L frame is the model 620 which features a tensioned barrel with S&W's ECM rifling which is a variant of polygonal rifling. As for accuracy, I've tested mine with a scope off a sandbag rest and it is a sub 1 moa handgun.
Tolles Video! Sind die Spohr Revolver in der Schweiz erhältlich?
Do you allow firing lead bullets through your polygonal rifled barrels?
@Spohr-shootingPrecision I'd love to T&E one, especially w 9mm swappable cylinder like all my Taurus 692 videos. Actually pretty slow velocity from 3" so that says the powder the critical duty uses is optomized for 4" barrels. You will see better performance from 3" from hotter Federal or Remington 125 sjhp, maybe Critical Defense, or golden saber which are mid recoil defensive loads. Be nice if you at end showed calipers of expansion in inches of each JHP. Cheers, the button swappable cylinder I first see on a Beretta Prototype on tfbtv I think that may have ended up in Brazil and to the Taurus 692 50 years later....what is your production goal cylinder gap to forcing cone?
Hard cast lead ammo is fairly common in .357/ 38 calibers. Will this result in fouling in the polygonal barrels?
Yes, it can, but anyone who can afford to own this revolver can likely afford a steady diet of premium ammo or a Lewis Lead Remover.
depends on the projectile make too !!!!
Can yiu please make one Without adjustable sights for concealed carry? Your revolvers look to be amazing
Agreed 💯, fixed sights on combat revolvers.
Give me a rifled barrel any day that will shoot anything. Polygonal barrels don't shoot just anything. I have one polygonal barreled pistol and I don't like it but it is what it is without changing the barrel to a rifled barrel. I can shoot any kind of jacketed or coated lead bullets with it but it will not shoot bare hard cast lead. A polygonal barrel squeezes the bullet rather than cuts it and the squeezing pushes lead instead of cutting it. So rather than being held by rifling cuts it skips along the hills that leaves lead that was pushed. The excessive lead builds up quickly in the bore. This is why polygonal barrels need jacketed or coated bullets to provide a bullet seal. Higher velocity and a wider range of bullet lengths can lead to problems with polygonal rifling. Rather than suffer all these problems, a rifled barrel is better. These disadvantages outweigh the advantages of less friction with jacketed/coated bullets and ease of barrel production over rifled barrels.
When you fire a lead bullet in a polygonal rifled barrel, which has shallow hills and valleys instead of grooves and lands, the lead bullet isn't gouged. Instead, the rifling squeezes down by the rifling, and the lead bullet will frequently “skip” over the hills. This leaves lead deposits throughout the barrel.
do you shoot cast bullets at 357 velocities anyway
I have owned and shot polygonal barrelled pistols by Walther and HK. Regardless of ammo used (jacketed, plated, poly coated), they ALL leave lead deposits. This is my one gripe against polygonal rifled barrels...
What if you used a gas check, would that improve the use of lead cast or would you still get the fouling?
@@davidw4151 Like I said, powder coated and polymer coated lead bullets work fine. No need for gas checks.
That was quite a drop in velocity and resulting energy for the 3 inch. That brought it down to almost 9mm+P velocities. Still good but 200 fps loss is quite high.
In a squib load situation, will it exit the barrel? Thanks
Sorry - but what means squib load? Can’t translate it…
@@Spohr-ShootingPrecision it is a case when a defected cartridge is fired. The sound is mild and the bullet energy so low that it either stays in the barrel or if it leaves it does not go far. The issue is critical for the user must not fire another round if the bullet is still in the barrell.
Can cast lead bullets be fired through the Spohr polygonal barrel?
Sure, we prefer coated once from H&N 180grs
Would a conventional rifled barrel with shallower 'grooves' come closer to match the polygonal test results?
Rumor has it that polygon rifling can increase velocity over conventional rifling by as much as 5%, but it really depends on the individual barrel, cylinder gap, and cylinder construction. The tighter the tolerances, the higher the theoretical velocity you can achieve due to less gas leakage. However, tighter tolerances in the bore could induce more drag if peak pressure is reached before the projectile exits the muzzle. Also, you could reach a point of diminishing returns where increased pressure becomes dangerous. This concern probably applies more to rifles than handguns.
@@Paladin1873 Polygonal rifling causes lead buildup in their barrels regardless of bullet type used. Anyone wonder why certain German agencies specify conventional rifling in their agency-issued pistols (P8A1)?
@@TrollMeister-s6n The question was about velocity, not leading. I can't speak to why a government agency might specify conventional rifling, but any barrel will accumulate lead deposits, copper fouling, and/or powder residue over time. All that differs is the rate of accumulation and its affect on accuracy or functional reliability. If leading becomes a problem, a tool such as the Lewis Lead Remover can quickly correct it. Some manufacturers caution against using lead bullets or reloads, but this is more of a CYA legal tactic than a true safety or reliability issue. For example, when I went through the official Glock Armorers Course, the instructor told us about a range pistol he examined that had fired several hundred thousand rounds of lead projectiles without cleaning. The bore was so clogged with deposits that it was squeezing the bullets down to a smaller caliber, yet it still functioned and had not bulged the barrel. He removed the lead and it regained its former accuracy.
🙏❤️ Love from Scotland ❤️ 🙏
Not so legal in Scotland, eh?
When these are made in 44 mag my bank account will never forgive me
Agreed. With the loadings in 10mm, .357 mag is less appealing to me. .44 mag though....
Have you got a Dealer in Australia yet?😊
not really so far. If you know one - ask hin to contact me.... Regards
Take my money!😊
Did anyone else cringe when he slapped the cylinder closed on a $3000 revolver?
That’s a demo model, they’re supposed to be abused. It’s ok to look cool when you’re the owner 😎
$3000 revolver for us consumers. Peanuts for him
@@ArmeroPR Bad form all the same.
The “Hollywood” is alive and well throughout the world.
I wouldn't do it either. I do think it's most likely to damage a revolver with a loaded cylinder and possibly with lower grade steel used for the crane and lock parts. There's quite a bit of shock through all that when firing and they can't get away with too mild of a grade steel even on the cheapest revolvers. Of course if you bend something you can always straighten it back in that case. Maybe not on the MIM parts which some are almost all MIM except the barrel.
I will pay almost 2k less lol thanks.
Yes I did cringe.
That Smith look 100x better than that spohr
Hahaha only for the blind…
@bert-janlaanstra982 Your blind... do you not know that simple and classic is always better.
"Geschmack lässt sich nicht streiten."
But... no.
The Smiths do look pretty damn nice... when they get the barrel shroud on straight and it's all polished or matte finished evenly and the rear sight isn't crooked and you don't look at the side with the hillary hole in it.