I keep expecting to hear Steve interrupt you by saying "Before that...". This reminds me of the days of soldering surface mount resistors on slot A AMD Athlon CPU's to overclock them. I was happy with my 600Mhz running at 750Mhz. There was a monster price difference between the 600 and 750 chip. I think it was 2x or more.
I'm very much aware of that. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that I used like the completely wrong capacitors for trying to filter noise coming of a CPU running at several GHz. The idea of having huge SMD polymers on the back of a CPU was just too ridiculous to not attempt. More practically 10uF 1uF 0.1uF and smaller caps would have been more effective.
for the most part, yeah. depends what frequency most of the ripple is at. And the sheer amount of current the CPU/GPU is using also matters, it's the 'r' in the "RC" filter that you are adding 'C' too. the larger capacity thing mostly applies to large electrolytic caps that have horrid ESR and ESL compared to poly and ceramic caps. As for bypass caps, Dave at EEVblog has a great vid showing the diff ceramics and polys can do to the power. th-cam.com/video/1xicZF9glH0/w-d-xo.html
I'd like to see somone try forcing certain PCIE bifurcation modes with 1K Ohm pulldown resistors soldered to the LGA pads, or perhaps to certain points on a motherboard. According to the datasheet of ivy bridge etc..., x8x4x4 might be possible even on unsupported motherboards (with pcie risers/splitters)- potentially allowing the use of dual NVMe SSDs and a video card.
loved it! i've just pulled some capacitors from the inside of an old trinitron monitor i have here... they're about 2 inches long, gonna solder them now to my 2700x :-) I'll let you know how it goes!
The reason this doesn't do much: they calculate the minimum capacitance they need, and then the double it, and call that the minimum they need, and then stick the maximum capacitance caps on there they can reasonably fit and afford, to make sure it works. At least that's what people I used to know did when they were laying out boards with ARM7TDMI microcontrollers on. Going overkill on the caps is very easy to do.. Or at least going under kill is such a killer considering how much you might save on surface mount components that its very rare anyone does it. In large power supplies or similar is when people might go near the minimum capacitance needed for cost reasons. But its worth a go, just in case you find the odd time where someone has cheaped out on capacitors.
This video had a capacitor advertising ring to it for the first few seconds. It came through, and I love the vid. Too bad it doesn't help much. Keep it up!
can you do a video where you try to fix a broken ebay cpu that someone has listed because of a catastrophic delid attempt? I myself have recently bought an x5680 with a chipped resistor and would like to know what a repair attempt would look like
idk man when I looked it up on eBay that cpu was being sold for $80 But if you really have found one for that cheap, doesn't that just mean it's even more worth it to try? Because if you break it, but you still want it, you can get another CPU for cheap
if you dont have a hole to find your ground and cant find a pinout online, place the meter on the ground of the mobo, trace the other end of the multimeter VERY CAREFULLY around the outer pins and match it up with the pins on the CPU and use continuity on that, you can do the same for vcore off the VRM i had to do that way back in the core 2 duo days for a mod chip :P
Which cpu would benefit from this most? Maybe you could try a 2500K, those are cheap by now and good for overclocking. Probably not full of capacitors from the factory.
when adding big caps, aren't you adding "reservoir capacitors", not "bypass capacitor"?. bypass capacitors are used to filter high frequency noise, and they are usually quite small in capacitance( nF to pF). by adding reservoir caps, you are adding more energy storage so when the component pulls power, the voltage dont drop as much. you also mentioned when the component stops pulling current, the inductor will raise the voltage as it doesnt like sudden change in current. But to deal with the sudden spike in voltage, aren't there zener diodes on board? I dont think a bypass cap would be able to dissipate that much spike in voltage. anyway, correct me if im wrong lol. keep up the videos! :)
The big caps are still bypassing just low frequency noise. As for the inductor thing the diodes and low side MOSFETs are after the CPU so if the CPU starts blocking current flow by coming out of load your voltage at the inductors starts to rise. There Vdroop and various other VRM control and design techniques are used to minimize this without relying on a huge amount of output capacitance but you still need capacitors to smooth at least some of this over.
This is why I said you need a ESR meter. You are changing/modifying too many capacitors. You will also have the advantage of desoldering capacitors from dead devices (saving money) when you get your hot-gun, this includes those tiny ceramics on back of motherboards CPU socket & dead GPU card. Modifiying a CPU, done this some time ago see FX-60 on this page, voltage is coming down, but performance is going up. www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/tpus-nostalgic-hardware-club.108251/page-261
Couldn’t you use that hole behind the cpu socket to move anything you couldn’t fit on the cpu in terms of clearance to the back of the motherboard by wire?
Can you compare Zotac 1080ti Amp edition and amp extreme editions? cus if i am not blind they have different PCB's and yeah switching frequency was halfed on zotac 1080ti's
Would it be possible to put something like a piece of Kapton tape over the bottom of the CPU socket for a very thin insulating layer? Just to protect the socket in the event of overly zealous capacitor additions.
yeah I toyed with the idea. I would honestly just plastidip the CPU socket or the CPU once you're sure that everything fits(you can check that without powering the system on).
Well, I was thinking maybe running between the pins, and solder the wires to the same spot on the chip you mention, assuming that there wouldn't be a capacitive effect of running the wires between the pins and out the edge of the socket. I wasn't saying to run the wires to the pins or lga pads. just to the side of the capacitors on the back of the chip substrate like you did. Just a possible alternative for boards without the hole that you used. the wire I'm saying should be about as thin as human hair.
When i add more ram on the gpu (put the old off and add new that have the double capacity zb. 512mb to 1024mb/1Gb. I know i have to change all chips.) What i have to do to let it work? Mod the bios and replace the ram chips. So have i Do a modification on the driver and something other?
I have a CPU that is broken and has one missing capacitor. Would it be possible to fix the cpu by simply shorting where the capacitor used to be with a bit of solder? I figured the people here would probably know.
Would this kind of mod make a significant difference in overclocking on a core 2 Duo from 2005 at 1.86 GHz stock, if at all? Just curious to know what your thought is on that because I might actually give it a try as my first time doing an extreme overclocker thing, or "a thing buildzoid did" if nothing else.
Is there still a chance to get one of the "VRM explosion" Shirts? Order was pending for weeks and now got canceled. The new design (is it actually new? I don't know) is nice though.
yeah those will be getting listed again. Teespring just changed some of their stuff again and I've not gotten around to making things work the way I want them to.
all tech reviewers should gather some stuff they got and send him a care package! some cpus some 2080 love you know. #gamersnexus #jays2cents #der8auer #hardwareunboxed #bitwit #paulshardware
This is a serious question. If I bought a strix 2080ti, and sent it to you. Would you be able to volt mod it enough where I can still put a gpu waterblock on.
Don't get me wrong this isn't criticism, it's a legitimate question, after all I only solder caps when they fail... but wouldn't it be easier and produce a/the similar/same result if you added the additional filtering on the motherboard side of power delivery?
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Well i think it is not a great idea, because the Motherboard taks with the Mosfets via SVID and thats complicated to trick. Also the Vcore drupe gets worse with a Epower. I see it only practical on an Motherboard with a week Powerdesign like a bad fourphase or f y haven't Voltage control.
Do it the other way, remove some stuff and take a look how stable the chip is. This one is running fine up to 5.3G on air for a SS abload.de/img/gemueseoscpy.jpg
@@XxLukexX because you bought it used. At retail price it's a piece of crap. and.. im not taking in to account that the platform cost is much more than the mainstream cpu's. and.. you cant use 4 slot of ram and 2 pci-e slots and a m.2 on your board, great buy!
"Hot GPU pics"... i think i know in what folder buildzoid saves his porn haha
The ‘stuff’ folder?
Pro-tip: use drivers folder for "porb", nobody looks there and it is not that suspicious if it takes a lot of space
thats where all the Gynoids are
I keep expecting to hear Steve interrupt you by saying "Before that...". This reminds me of the days of soldering surface mount resistors on slot A AMD Athlon CPU's to overclock them. I was happy with my 600Mhz running at 750Mhz. There was a monster price difference between the 600 and 750 chip. I think it was 2x or more.
I love seeing you mod things, I hope to see a return to this in the future with more productive results! Thanks for the video
some nice rich person should donate a 2080 Ti to Mr Zoid :)
Or we could start a GoFundMe
agree this boy needs to be funded. sit back and let him create
Yeah he definitely should be funded, sounds great
10/10 would fund again
"HDMI Daisy Chain Connector" is geek for 'Coupling'.
well I English very good
So, turns out Buildzoid videos on pointless CPU mods are great to watch whilst taking a dump.
The shitter is my environment of choice to research "trick-nology" ;)
I got my 7740x @ 5ghz 1.3v delidded.
Edit: You've got a good chip for sure - Like some people on techpowerup that got 5.3 with around 1.3ish volts.
Wow, such clearance. Much cooling. Many clocks!
Larger capacity doesn't equal better filtering of high frequency switching....
I'm very much aware of that. I'm pretty sure I mentioned that I used like the completely wrong capacitors for trying to filter noise coming of a CPU running at several GHz. The idea of having huge SMD polymers on the back of a CPU was just too ridiculous to not attempt. More practically 10uF 1uF 0.1uF and smaller caps would have been more effective.
for the most part, yeah. depends what frequency most of the ripple is at. And the sheer amount of current the CPU/GPU is using also matters, it's the 'r' in the "RC" filter that you are adding 'C' too.
the larger capacity thing mostly applies to large electrolytic caps that have horrid ESR and ESL compared to poly and ceramic caps. As for bypass caps, Dave at EEVblog has a great vid showing the diff ceramics and polys can do to the power.
th-cam.com/video/1xicZF9glH0/w-d-xo.html
man, you should keep making vids. you'll get exposure and hired for $150k a year.
when you're on $150k, i hope you keep making vids.
Cool vid, I like watching these 'buildzoid edition' mods you do. It sorta reminds me of the car modders and hot rodders from the '60's and '70's
I'd like to see somone try forcing certain PCIE bifurcation modes with 1K Ohm pulldown resistors soldered to the LGA pads, or perhaps to certain points on a motherboard. According to the datasheet of ivy bridge etc..., x8x4x4 might be possible even on unsupported motherboards (with pcie risers/splitters)- potentially allowing the use of dual NVMe SSDs and a video card.
Do you get sweaty palms when you see the RTX cards with huge arrays of non-populated ceramic caps under the VRM? "I COULD SOLDER SO MANY CAPS TO THAT"
loved it! i've just pulled some capacitors from the inside of an old trinitron monitor i have here... they're about 2 inches long, gonna solder them now to my 2700x :-) I'll let you know how it goes!
When you are looking at the folder, and images in the video, and you try to click the image file to see it better :D LOL ohhh yea this is a video :D
I tried it too haha
"RAM sticks have some capacitors on them" is probably the understatement of the year.
Buildzoid geeking out on mad experiments, of course I'd watch that!
now I remember days when we solder trimmer resistors to gpu to manualy incrase voltage to gpu, mem.
The reason this doesn't do much: they calculate the minimum capacitance they need, and then the double it, and call that the minimum they need, and then stick the maximum capacitance caps on there they can reasonably fit and afford, to make sure it works. At least that's what people I used to know did when they were laying out boards with ARM7TDMI microcontrollers on. Going overkill on the caps is very easy to do.. Or at least going under kill is such a killer considering how much you might save on surface mount components that its very rare anyone does it. In large power supplies or similar is when people might go near the minimum capacitance needed for cost reasons. But its worth a go, just in case you find the odd time where someone has cheaped out on capacitors.
This video had a capacitor advertising ring to it for the first few seconds. It came through, and I love the vid. Too bad it doesn't help much.
Keep it up!
you're a proper street corner capacitor peddler, zoid, capacitors on everything XD impressive
Absolute madlad
Buildzoid: I like to add caps to things
Wonder if these capacitors on the chip have anything to do with CPU degradation, all capacitors have a life
Ceramic caps dont really degrade like electrolytics, and they rarely fail
what a short video, not Buildzoid style. LOL
can you do a video where you try to fix a broken ebay cpu that someone has listed because of a catastrophic delid attempt? I myself have recently bought an x5680 with a chipped resistor and would like to know what a repair attempt would look like
just replace the resistor?
@@unh0lyav3ng3r8
theyre like 20 bucks,
it'd be cheaper to just buy a new one, ask the vendor to fck it up with a razor, n then send that
idk man when I looked it up on eBay that cpu was being sold for $80
But if you really have found one for that cheap, doesn't that just mean it's even more worth it to try? Because if you break it, but you still want it, you can get another CPU for cheap
I had a 7970 Lightning that had the extra pcb behind the die that was just caps and some LEDs. Wonder how much that actually helped.
The fact the Windows 7 is the go to OS shows how better it is performance wise than Windows 10.
"Wow, such clearence!" XD
anyone else curious what is in buildzoid's "hot GPU pics" folder?
*_You amaze me all the time 👍🏼👏🏼._*
wow, what you did to that CPU is amazing
That's a great chip if it's reaching 5.54 GHz on an AIO.
5.45 1.45V cinebench 4C/8T 5.55 is with 1.55V and only 4C/4T. Still a great chip though. I think there are some 5.5GHz 1.45V 7740Xs out there.
There are some 5.5ghz 1.4v chips too.
if you dont have a hole to find your ground and cant find a pinout online, place the meter on the ground of the mobo, trace the other end of the multimeter VERY CAREFULLY around the outer pins and match it up with the pins on the CPU and use continuity on that, you can do the same for vcore off the VRM
i had to do that way back in the core 2 duo days for a mod chip :P
PHOTO SHOPPED ; nice work BZ
Would a proadlizer fit on such a CPU?
That was the best 32 minutes that I spent on something
love you long time thanks for uploads baby
Love it "because because"... :)
You're a mad lad!
Which cpu would benefit from this most? Maybe you could try a 2500K, those are cheap by now and good for overclocking. Probably not full of capacitors from the factory.
not power hungry enough. Maybe some of the X79 6 cores could work
when adding big caps, aren't you adding "reservoir capacitors", not "bypass capacitor"?. bypass capacitors are used to filter high frequency noise, and they are usually quite small in capacitance( nF to pF). by adding reservoir caps, you are adding more energy storage so when the component pulls power, the voltage dont drop as much.
you also mentioned when the component stops pulling current, the inductor will raise the voltage as it doesnt like sudden change in current. But to deal with the sudden spike in voltage, aren't there zener diodes on board? I dont think a bypass cap would be able to dissipate that much spike in voltage.
anyway, correct me if im wrong lol. keep up the videos! :)
The big caps are still bypassing just low frequency noise.
As for the inductor thing the diodes and low side MOSFETs are after the CPU so if the CPU starts blocking current flow by coming out of load your voltage at the inductors starts to rise. There Vdroop and various other VRM control and design techniques are used to minimize this without relying on a huge amount of output capacitance but you still need capacitors to smooth at least some of this over.
This is why I said you need a ESR meter. You are changing/modifying too many capacitors. You will also have the advantage of desoldering capacitors from dead devices (saving money) when you get your hot-gun, this includes those tiny ceramics on back of motherboards CPU socket & dead GPU card.
Modifiying a CPU, done this some time ago see FX-60 on this page, voltage is coming down, but performance is going up.
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/tpus-nostalgic-hardware-club.108251/page-261
Didn't expect to mod a cpu besides delidding...
Couldn’t you use that hole behind the cpu socket to move anything you couldn’t fit on the cpu in terms of clearance to the back of the motherboard by wire?
you would get more ripple ,that way wich defeats the whole point
Extra wire length makes the caps less and less useful.
Duely noted.
Can you compare Zotac 1080ti Amp edition and amp extreme editions? cus if i am not blind they have different PCB's and yeah switching frequency was halfed on zotac 1080ti's
Would it be possible to put something like a piece of Kapton tape over the bottom of the CPU socket for a very thin insulating layer? Just to protect the socket in the event of overly zealous capacitor additions.
yeah I toyed with the idea. I would honestly just plastidip the CPU socket or the CPU once you're sure that everything fits(you can check that without powering the system on).
Could you do a video about coil whine? Is there like a Buildzoid method to minimize it?
I plan to
That would be great
Would #36 to #40 AWG Formvar covered coil wire work with a DMM to get the polarity for motherboards without a hole?
I'd prefer not to run wires the pins of the socket but I guess if you were really careful that would be an option
Well, I was thinking maybe running between the pins, and solder the wires to the same spot on the chip you mention, assuming that there wouldn't be a capacitive effect of running the wires between the pins and out the edge of the socket. I wasn't saying to run the wires to the pins or lga pads. just to the side of the capacitors on the back of the chip substrate like you did. Just a possible alternative for boards without the hole that you used. the wire I'm saying should be about as thin as human hair.
When i add more ram on the gpu (put the old off and add new that have the double capacity zb. 512mb to 1024mb/1Gb. I know i have to change all chips.) What i have to do to let it work? Mod the bios and replace the ram chips. So have i Do a modification on the driver and something other?
OK and now you do your magic stuff and oc some ryzen APU to 2GHz?
Something tells me buildzoid might solder components to anything maybe even a phone
I have a CPU that is broken and has one missing capacitor. Would it be possible to fix the cpu by simply shorting where the capacitor used to be with a bit of solder? I figured the people here would probably know.
kevin tu yes, even without shortening, test it out
Look like your desk lamp needs some capacitors.
Would this kind of mod make a significant difference in overclocking on a core 2 Duo from 2005 at 1.86 GHz stock, if at all? Just curious to know what your thought is on that because I might actually give it a try as my first time doing an extreme overclocker thing, or "a thing buildzoid did" if nothing else.
probably not worth the time/effort, cheaper to buy the best cpu from that socket off ebay if youre really stuck with that mobo.
I have the CPU but no mobo to go with it... sadly.
Is there still a chance to get one of the "VRM explosion" Shirts? Order was pending for weeks and now got canceled. The new design (is it actually new? I don't know) is nice though.
yeah those will be getting listed again. Teespring just changed some of their stuff again and I've not gotten around to making things work the way I want them to.
Hi Byldzoyid, cans I doo zis too my REFREEDJARATOR?
all tech reviewers should gather some stuff they got and send him a care package! some cpus some 2080 love you know. #gamersnexus #jays2cents #der8auer #hardwareunboxed #bitwit #paulshardware
This is a serious question. If I bought a strix 2080ti, and sent it to you. Would you be able to volt mod it enough where I can still put a gpu waterblock on.
How much are you gonna pay is the question
I don't mod cards for people on the principle that it's far too risky especially with a 1200+ USD GPU.
Well, it's only risky for me. lol, and I like taking risks, but that's understandable.
well you're free to try talk me into doing it. The email is: buildzoid@gmail.com
Wait one plus makes cameras? Or is that the phone model number officially or something?
Hmm now I want to cap mod something...
Cap modded 7940X when?
never because it's not mine. It's on loan.
Buildzoid joins oc battle???
Don't get me wrong this isn't criticism, it's a legitimate question, after all I only solder caps when they fail... but wouldn't it be easier and produce a/the similar/same result if you added the additional filtering on the motherboard side of power delivery?
extra distance reduces the effectiveness of the capacitor.
thanks m8, that makes sense
Can you e-power a freaking motherboard?
I plan to eventually
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking
Well i think it is not a great idea, because the Motherboard taks with the Mosfets via SVID and thats complicated to trick.
Also the Vcore drupe gets worse with a Epower. I see it only practical on an Motherboard with a week Powerdesign like a bad fourphase or f y haven't Voltage control.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking noice... 7980XE BZ edition, any X299 BZ edition, and 2080Ti's BZ edition.... Looking forward to that and good luck...
so he managed to put that thing at 5.7 ghz and somehow thats not impressive???
Do it the other way, remove some stuff and take a look how stable the chip is. This one is running fine up to 5.3G on air for a SS abload.de/img/gemueseoscpy.jpg
Do you still have PO box?
yes I do
i7 7740X. One of the most useless CPUs to have ever been made
i5-7640X
it would maybe great for a X99 ITX Motherboard ...
Nice bullshit - i run a 7740x @ 5ghz 1.3v delidded and I paid £125 used for the processor - nowhere near the worst cpu made.
Not useless, great for overclockers
@@XxLukexX because you bought it used. At retail price it's a piece of crap. and.. im not taking in to account that the platform cost is much more than the mainstream cpu's. and.. you cant use 4 slot of ram and 2 pci-e slots and a m.2 on your board, great buy!
😮
Tech porn Kreygasm
First
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758nd so Not first but hey i watch the vid
cpu ruined me for white woman
You always sound annoyed and somehow I dig it.
Do I?
No you don't
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking no.