Can the UK's Labour Party heal its internal divisions? | Inside Story

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  • An Al Jazeera investigation has exposed accusations of dirty tricks and manipulation within the UK's opposition Labour Party.
    A trove of internal documents, emails and social media messages show how unelected officials undermined former leader Jeremy Corbyn, and anyone who supported him.
    Can Labour heal its internal divisions?
    And with British politics in turmoil, could the allegations hurt the party's chances of returning to power?
    Presenter: Imran Khan
    Guests:
    Alex Nunns - former speech writer for Jeremy Corbyn
    John Curtice - Professor of Politics, University of Strathclyde
    Jonathan Lis - Political commentator and deputy director, British Influence
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  • @skyhigh5241
    @skyhigh5241 ปีที่แล้ว +250

    Jeremy is better than the current leader, the British media hate him. He was a honest man

    • @khalidmehmood-lj7xg
      @khalidmehmood-lj7xg ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Legend of Britain 🇬🇧

    • @khalidmehmood-lj7xg
      @khalidmehmood-lj7xg ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Legend of Britain 🇬🇧 politics

    • @Gizo02
      @Gizo02 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Even the Guardian hated him, and I remember they deliberately mispresented and even slandered him on occasions. Has any other Labour leader faced such sustained hostility from the Guardian (before we even get to the various right wing outlets)? Not from what I remember. The Guardian supported Clegg more than Brown going into the 2010 election, but I don't think they were hostile to Brown (who had been the most powerful Chancellor in history and then PM for 13 years by that stage).

    • @chemicalqueen5460
      @chemicalqueen5460 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Honest, nice but a weak, ineffectual & indecisive leader

    • @profhortsunlover1536
      @profhortsunlover1536 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      UK hs no independent MSM, AND the mass news is opinions of folks from other countries, who hate us, like australians, germans, who have their own countries at heart.

  • @AnEnemy100
    @AnEnemy100 ปีที่แล้ว +196

    There’s nothing “far left” about social democracy. Corbyn wasn’t far left. None of his policies were any more radical than what you would find in any Scandinavian social democracy.

    • @AlexandraBryngelsson
      @AlexandraBryngelsson ปีที่แล้ว +1

      30 years ago yes!

    • @julianshepherd2038
      @julianshepherd2038 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@AlexandraBryngelsson not really, almost no one went so mad on privatisation that we privatised water. its not like you have a choice of water company

    • @yellowgreen5229
      @yellowgreen5229 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Actually he is a democratic socialist so further left than a social democrat, so for example instead of bailing out capitalists during covid he would have bought out the companies for the workers and public which would have been amazing.

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      But obviously our neoliberal elite are SO TERRIFIED of it, that they spoiled their own party's chances. 😏

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@yellowgreen5229 Wouldn't it just! 🙂👍

  • @marccarter1350
    @marccarter1350 ปีที่แล้ว +103

    I was suspended in 2015 for being pro corbin on a Labour website. Effectivley stopped from voting in the then leadership contest. I left the party, stopped paying my membership. I had been a member since i was 18. I am now 50! There was nothing democratic about what happened to me.

    • @gregmunn2945
      @gregmunn2945 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm an American and that's shocking to me to know you can be thrown out of a political party for things you say on a website. This could never happen in the USA.

    • @ginch8300
      @ginch8300 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@gregmunn2945 Well parties need to have rules and guidelines, if you go against them then the parties have a right to kick you out if they so choose. @marc carters case however was completely unjustified and is proof how far Labour has shifted to the right.

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly. Well done you! 🙂👍

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gregmunn2945 Is that so? Are you sure? I suppose you do have that First Amendment... Really we need a written constitution and bill of rights like in the US.

    • @CG-or1re
      @CG-or1re ปีที่แล้ว

      i'd be 100% certain you did more than be pro corbyn to get suspended.

  • @adzmitch
    @adzmitch ปีที่แล้ว +273

    I like how you claim Corbyn was unpopular with the public as we watch thousands of people singing his name. The bloke was a couple thousand votes from power despite his own party undermining him and every single newspaper posting negative stories 24/7.

    • @radicaltuesday6347
      @radicaltuesday6347 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      And that's why starmer doesn't stand a chance without us.

    • @DarrenBurgess1989
      @DarrenBurgess1989 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      And gave rise to the biggest political party in Western Europe.

    • @fredatlas4396
      @fredatlas4396 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Adam Mitchell
      You are absolutely correct. And I voted Labour in the Dec 2019 election

    • @annenunney9907
      @annenunney9907 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@fredatlas4396 so did I

    • @patrickfrondigoun4145
      @patrickfrondigoun4145 ปีที่แล้ว

      Corbyn was unpopular but as part 1 of the documentary exposes, the Right could make up all kinds of hideous lies about Corbyn and those of us who supported and the media would repeat them verbatim without checking the veracity of the allegations. It's no wonder he became so unpopular, he was utterly demonised and I'll never stop being angry about it

  • @cathjones4899
    @cathjones4899 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Corbyn’s policies were not “far left”. Are you claiming the Nordic countries are “far left”? The manifesto contained many very popular policies

  • @seanjose219
    @seanjose219 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Far-left? Ridiculous analysis of clearly centre-left politics.

    • @gregmunn2945
      @gregmunn2945 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any news media on T.V. costs a ton of money and the media elite are therefore out of touch with the concerns of common people. It's tough to understand everyday concerns of people living paycheck to paycheck when you're earning millions.

    • @kamilebrahimoff3589
      @kamilebrahimoff3589 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Corbyn is like Sanders in the U.S.

  • @timgray4305
    @timgray4305 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Starmer is an extremely toxic and dangerous character whose track record as DPP and Labour leader should be a serious concern to anyone in the UK and beyond.

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      And he's a tw@, too! 😄

    • @kb4903
      @kb4903 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yet more popular as leader than Corbyn ever.

    • @interstellarlunar4597
      @interstellarlunar4597 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@kb4903 He isn't popular due to anything he has done - there are only two parties to vote for and when one is as pathetic as the conservative is now, why wouldn't Keir be "popular"?

    • @djdrogs
      @djdrogs ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kb4903 He isn't popular at all. Labour is ahead of the torys. That's all.

    • @user-ow4es8ds5z
      @user-ow4es8ds5z ปีที่แล้ว

      The only problem with Corbyn was that he spoke up against the war crimes of the apartheid state run by the most monstrous subhumans on this planet. He was accused of anti semitism and ridiculed. Starmer sucked up to the same masters and became a "leader" when he's actually just a spineless puppet.

  • @nicolakirton2252
    @nicolakirton2252 ปีที่แล้ว +123

    I agree entirely with Alex Nunns, the only one telling the truth here. Jeremy Corbyn had the support of the overwhelming majority of Labour Party members and the Unions, not something Starmer can ever claim. Starmer only won as the result of a LOW turnout, and only has the support of the PLP.

    • @klanga100
      @klanga100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and my clp 😭

    • @peepshow090
      @peepshow090 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I was a member of labour during Sir Kiers leadership election, I like many other people didn't receive a ballot. Most of the people I know that we're going to vote for Vicky long Bailly were shadow excluded

    • @nicolakirton2252
      @nicolakirton2252 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@peepshow090 Thank you for that. I never knew that, but always suspected that was what was happening. Believe me, Starmer is the very definition of EVIL, and I implore people in England NOT TO VOTE TORY, NOT TO VOTE LABOUR AS LONG AS STARMER IS LEADER AND NOT TO VOTE LIBDEM, BUT TO VOTE FOR SMALLER PARTIES FURTHER DOWN THE BALLOT PAPER. DO NOT EVEN VOTE GREEN, THEY ARE CAPITALISTS, WHICH MEANS THEY ARE POLITICAL FRAUDS. You will NEVER ACHIEVE THE REAL CHANGE THAT IS NEEDED BY VOTING FOR ANY OF THE ABOVE PARTIES. It is also the ONLY WAY TO TEACH THEM ALL A LESSON THEY WILL NEVER FORGET. Also remember who every single politician in all the parliaments around Britain swear an oath of allegiance to - it is to the CURRENT MONARCH, rather than to the PEOPLE, which is who they should be swearing an oath of allegiance to. - This is the reason why Jeremy Corbyn's attempts to become PM on behalf of the PEOPLE was treated as such a threat by both the Blairites and the British State, and he was completely sabotaged, which was and still is an absolute disgrace and why I am hoping that England gets to a position where there is a majority against the survival of the monarchy, because where you have a monarchy, you will never have democracy.

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly. 👍

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      @@peepshow090 Is that SO? 😲

  • @hertswildlife
    @hertswildlife ปีที่แล้ว +90

    Keith doesn't have to "unite the party" he's expelled everyone who doesn't agree with him.

    • @raskeisar4049
      @raskeisar4049 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      He is chosen to be a bouncer to keep the country under Tory forever

    • @carnmarth334
      @carnmarth334 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well said.

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      Starmlin the Snake. 🐍

    • @sharenwhitlock7737
      @sharenwhitlock7737 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      An exclusive club of yes men.

    • @user-ow4es8ds5z
      @user-ow4es8ds5z ปีที่แล้ว

      The only problem with Corbyn was that he spoke up against the war crimes of the apartheid state run by the most monstrous subhumans on this planet. He was accused of anti semitism and ridiculed. Starmer sucked up to the same masters and became a "leader" when he's actually just a spineless puppet.

  • @rebeccaedwards2106
    @rebeccaedwards2106 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    It should be criminal..what certain people within labour did to Jeremy. They should face reprocussions

    • @margaretmorgan3693
      @margaretmorgan3693 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I wish they could prosecute those trouble makers. The country is becoming increasingly unlawful. It’s run by crooks.

    • @matthewgabbard6415
      @matthewgabbard6415 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well he did get absolutely crushed by an idiot like Boris Johnson. They needed him to go

    • @user-ow4es8ds5z
      @user-ow4es8ds5z ปีที่แล้ว

      The only problem with Corbyn was that he spoke up against the war crimes of the apartheid state run by the most monstrous subhumans on this planet. He was accused of anti semitism and ridiculed. Starmer sucked up to the same masters and became a "leader" when he's actually just a spineless puppet.

  • @adamharris1406
    @adamharris1406 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Only Corbyn meets the criteria to be a labour leader.

    • @gregmunn2945
      @gregmunn2945 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would've loved to see Rebecca Long Bailey but the election defeat scared the left into picking a blairite.

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly. The rest are all Tories in sheep's clothing. 😏

    • @MarkHutchinson33
      @MarkHutchinson33 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gregmunn2945 me to but unfortunately I don’t think she was strong enough😢

    • @matthewgabbard6415
      @matthewgabbard6415 ปีที่แล้ว

      Guys how many moral victories but general election defeats do you want to experience? Aren’t you mature enough to recognize a person who agrees with you on principle, but understands the necessity of compromise as the price to lead?

    • @user-ow4es8ds5z
      @user-ow4es8ds5z ปีที่แล้ว

      The only problem with Corbyn was that he spoke up against the war crimes of the apartheid state run by the most monstrous subhumans on this planet. He was accused of anti semitism and ridiculed. Starmer sucked up to the same masters and became a "leader" when he's actually just a spineless puppet.

  • @valeriecamroux4197
    @valeriecamroux4197 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Really Mr Curtice, the Party was never against Corbyn it was the Parliamentary Party that was. There is a huge difference and that in itself is a problem.

  • @annenunney9907
    @annenunney9907 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Me neither Dan I will never forgive what they did to Jeremy and the British public

    • @khalidmehmood-lj7xg
      @khalidmehmood-lj7xg ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Legend of Britain 🇬🇧 politics

    • @naomimartin3291
      @naomimartin3291 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I will never forgive JC for not only ignoring anti-semitism but actively promoting it.

    • @robinfoster7597
      @robinfoster7597 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@naomimartin3291 evidence?????

    • @lawsonj39
      @lawsonj39 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@naomimartin3291 Did you watch the Al Jazeera report? There's absolutely no evidence to support either of your charges about Corbyn's alleged antisemitism.

    • @CC-hx5fz
      @CC-hx5fz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@naomimartin3291Not true. I'd never come across any antisemitism in Labour until the week before the election. This was exclusively in groups on Facebook and there is no way of knowing whether these people were Labour members. It's pretty obvious when you're arguing with an 18-25 year old online. It's also pretty obvious when you're arguing with someone who gets all their information from conspiracy websites. These were nothing like the people that Labour members knew from their constituencies and they came out of nowhere and disappeared just as quickly. That's an internet problem that everyone needs to solve. How exactly do you think it was a problem that Jeremy Corbyn was supposed to tackle? This is no different from the issues around antivax, Qanon, trans-panics and whatever else comes next. This isn't a problem for one party or one leader. You seem to be saying that it's acceptable to sabotage an election when YOU don't want a particular leader, but everyone else should sit on their hands and accept a leader that they don't want?

  • @lawsonj39
    @lawsonj39 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Poor Britain! Just when it so desperately needs an alternative to Truss's insanity, to have a bunch of right-wing snakes in charge of the Labour Party is just sad. If I were Scottish or Northern Irish or Welsh, I'd be heading for the exits.

  • @chrisgriffin698
    @chrisgriffin698 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    What happened to Jeremy was the same thing that happened to us all an injustice, in which will never get an apology for.

    • @user-ow4es8ds5z
      @user-ow4es8ds5z ปีที่แล้ว

      The only problem with Corbyn was that he spoke up against the war crimes of the apartheid state run by the most monstrous subhumans on this planet. He was accused of anti semitism and ridiculed. Starmer sucked up to the same masters and became a "leader" when he's actually just a spineless puppet.

  • @39matheson
    @39matheson ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Lis and Curtice seem to understand very little about the extent of the damage that Starmer has done. It's not something that previous supporters can 'move on' from, because it was so disgustingly wicked. Only people with no morals will see it as history, and many could never trust Starmer after his despicable behaviour.

    • @juancornetto3010
      @juancornetto3010 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think Lis and Curtice understand that stuff, they just want us to submit.

    • @mali3225
      @mali3225 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with you after watching documentary , damage Kieth and right wing labour

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      I couldn't either!

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      @@juancornetto3010 They can eff off!

    • @sidevans1
      @sidevans1 ปีที่แล้ว

      yes, i'm sure you know better than john curtice, a literal professor of political science.

  • @tonywalsh1408
    @tonywalsh1408 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Stabbed in the back by his own party what a disgrace going nowhere with starmer look what we've got now I hope your happy

  • @joanharris6221
    @joanharris6221 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Thank you Alex for saying what many of us are thinking,you appear to be the only honest one there

  • @spartacusforlife1508
    @spartacusforlife1508 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    These files are not even being mentioned in u.k. media. Why is that

  • @alice-rm5hg
    @alice-rm5hg ปีที่แล้ว +15

    We want JC back

  • @nickd4310
    @nickd4310 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Even in 2019 Corbyn had a higher percentage of the vote (32.1) than Miliband (30.4), Brown (29.0), Kinnock in his first run (30.8) and Foot (27.9). His vote in 2015 was the third highest Labour vote in 45 years. (I corrected the date of Corbyn's second election.}

    • @malik250988
      @malik250988 ปีที่แล้ว

      But that 32 percent was not enough to gain majority... That means he failed as a leader... Labour only won with high margins when it had a centrist leader in Tony Blair...

    • @nickd4310
      @nickd4310 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@malik250988 If being a centrist was key to winning, then Callaghan, Kinnock, Brown and Miliband would have won too. And why were Thatcher and Johnson elected, let alone a number of far right leaders in other countries? People chose leaders they think will do something for them. If all Labour has to offer is that Truss is a bad PM, she'll probably win the next election.

    • @gregmunn2945
      @gregmunn2945 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nickd4310 perfect comment, and don't forget that Brexit forced Corbyn into an impossible situation as England was pro leave and therefore to be remain would have meant losing the election badly. So Instead of focusing on domestic policy which is what Jeremy excels at he was forced into a no win Brexit debate. I'm convinced if Brexit wasn't an issue Corbyn could have won on his popular domestic agenda.

    • @andomedean
      @andomedean ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The 32.1% figure refers to 2019. In 2017 Jeremy Corbyn gained 40% of the UK vote.
      In terms of the absolute vote, he obtained a similar number of ENGLISH votes to that of Tony Blair's landslide in 1997. Even in 2019 he obtained a similar number of English votes to Blair in his second best election, and more votes than Blair did in his worst, and of course far more than Brown or Miliband. I cite English votes in this paragraph, because Labour was virtually destroyed in Scotland before Corbyn became leader, and these were exceptionally difficult to retake given the strength of the SNP.

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      You mean 2019, and 2017 respectively. That's what I thought. 👍

  • @Jess-T
    @Jess-T ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm glad this is coming out. I cancelled my membership after the internal report was leaked.

  • @rehenaakter6274
    @rehenaakter6274 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    They destroyed a great mans dream of a better world that’s the reason all this hardship British people are going through you get what you voted for 😊

  • @lio2725
    @lio2725 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    It's frustrating and sad that people like this exist inside political movements to undermine people and leaders who will actually create lasting change that will lift people out of poverty. It makes me angry that people can do this and have no consequences for their selfish actions.

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe they'll get a terrible reincarnation..

    • @user-ow4es8ds5z
      @user-ow4es8ds5z ปีที่แล้ว

      The only problem with Corbyn was that he spoke up against the war crimes of the apartheid state run by the most monstrous subhumans on this planet. He was accused of anti semitism and ridiculed. Starmer sucked up to the same masters and became a "leader" when he's actually just a spineless puppet.

  • @csayesa3494
    @csayesa3494 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    The hypocritical attitude of Labour towards Jeremy is there for everyone to see,is very shameful.they brought a poppet as so-called Stammer

    • @user-ow4es8ds5z
      @user-ow4es8ds5z ปีที่แล้ว

      The only problem with Corbyn was that he spoke up against the war crimes of the apartheid state run by the most monstrous subhumans on this planet. He was accused of anti semitism and ridiculed. Starmer sucked up to the same masters and became a "leader" when he's actually just a spineless puppet.

    • @kamilebrahimoff3589
      @kamilebrahimoff3589 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree, the Labour needs someone to topple the Tory.

  • @petergilkes7082
    @petergilkes7082 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    No! And just at a time it's most needed. The PLP's treachery cannot be forgiven. Ever.

  • @mahadjama1481
    @mahadjama1481 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    But what is being done against the people who was behind all of the false accusations against those who was innocent?

    • @rufusstewart762
      @rufusstewart762 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think full angry mob vibes, but with tea & crumpets instead of torches and pitchforks

  • @chburns1329
    @chburns1329 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The Labour Left in & out of the Labour Party needs to establish a New Socialist Labour Party under the Leadership of Jeremy Corbyn

  • @mahadjama1481
    @mahadjama1481 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    During those elections I meet people who stopped voting or never voted and organized them self and knocked doors in hundreds it was amazing. Spoke to an election worker and he said that in some areas attending increased with 80% and that the Labour Party got 90% of the votes.

    • @gregmunn2945
      @gregmunn2945 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Because Corbyn talked about real issues and how to improve people's daily lives. Not centrist garbage of how can we give more tax breaks to the rich but look cool on social issues to get votes.

    • @user-ow4es8ds5z
      @user-ow4es8ds5z ปีที่แล้ว

      The only problem with Corbyn was that he spoke up against the war crimes of the apartheid state run by the most monstrous subhumans on this planet. He was accused of anti semitism and ridiculed. Starmer sucked up to the same masters and became a "leader" when he's actually just a spineless puppet.

  • @stopdeforestation
    @stopdeforestation ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Corbyn is the best pm the UK never had

  • @MSMS-ug3zu
    @MSMS-ug3zu ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I am puzzled -- why BBC has not reported on this internal document leak?

    • @UTubeISphere
      @UTubeISphere ปีที่แล้ว

      Because they were involved in the Panorama hit job on JC and because the then government and the current government can threaten the BBC with fund withdrawals. The private news providers have no interest in pushing these new insights.

    • @floydpowell9238
      @floydpowell9238 ปีที่แล้ว

      Naturally because the BBC were complicit. Their Panorama programme "Is Labour Anti-Semitic?" has been shown to have been based on lies and miss representation.

  • @FunboyFandango
    @FunboyFandango ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I think Jonathan Lis should take up a new career because journalism clearly isn't for him. Nothing more than an apologist for an authoritarian hard right party posing (with his help) as a progressive alternative

  • @lenarobinson438
    @lenarobinson438 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    simplistic analysis from John Curtice!

  • @HTownCharlieBrown
    @HTownCharlieBrown ปีที่แล้ว +5

    What was the point of leaving the EU if you're going to allow a foreign apartheid state, to meddle in all your elections, politics, policies and political discourse?

  • @annandune
    @annandune ปีที่แล้ว +5

    And John Curtice, as a professor, should be more careful with his language. He talks about 'not having the confidence of his party' when he clearly means 'not having the confidence of his parliamentary party.' The two things are different and many in the main party would have liked to have seen the PLP changed.
    Many would say Corbyn's biggest flaw ( I think it is a strength but it would be a flaw in this instance ) was that he was open and accepting. He didn't get rid of MPs who opposed him although he was open to local branches choosing new candidates. Starmer, on the other hand, has been something of a dictator in this respect.

  • @oiaeyu
    @oiaeyu ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Same as bernie

  • @peepshow090
    @peepshow090 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Sir Kier was responsible for the brexit debacle in 2019 not Corbyn

    • @kb4903
      @kb4903 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who was leader of the party?

    • @peepshow090
      @peepshow090 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kb4903 yeah that would be Corbyn who should have put his toe up Sir Kier's arsehole after he announced the 2nd referendum with out agreement of the party
      But that's sir Kier, friend of liars, crooks and racists

  • @alexstudley669
    @alexstudley669 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Enough is enough.

  • @zulaikalondon
    @zulaikalondon ปีที่แล้ว +6

    We need proportional representation.

  • @julianshepherd2038
    @julianshepherd2038 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    so SNP for me then and with no guilt about it.

  • @kgtm1962
    @kgtm1962 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The truth will out.

  • @shawnwilliam4653
    @shawnwilliam4653 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That is exactly what happens in the US

  • @jackdoyle7453
    @jackdoyle7453 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In 2019 people wanted Brexit done, Corbyn was too much of a compromiser with the right of his party to run a strong pro brexit campaign. In 2023 we know Corbyn was right on just about everything, he may be much more popular, particularly if all the blairites and basically tories were purged from the party.

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be nice! We should have done it to them. But Corbyn even if he wanted to couldn't do it on his own.

  • @ThisisnotTwitter
    @ThisisnotTwitter ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lis and Curtis really just swallow the media perspective put out by those now in power, rather than being able to read between the lines.
    "At the end of the day, we should just roll over and accept it regardless of what happened. We should just accept corruption as the normal situation as I have."

  • @frankdunne2401
    @frankdunne2401 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Its almost stalinist in its approach.

  • @ricardocarrington1834
    @ricardocarrington1834 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    THE MERE FACT HE IS STILL EXCLUDED TELLS YOU NOTHING WILL CHANG

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is true! (It will be fun though when he absolutely TROUNCES the "Labour" candidate at the next election. 🙂

  • @lenarobinson438
    @lenarobinson438 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Alex is the best

  • @windbag45
    @windbag45 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The left will never forgive Starmer, he has to go

    • @seankavanagh7625
      @seankavanagh7625 ปีที่แล้ว

      At this point the left need to leave and form a new party, Labour is poisoned.

  • @K4rmaRules
    @K4rmaRules ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a leftist. I could either be on the left or be in Labour. Labour is dead to me now, after what they did to Mr Corbyn.

  • @annandune
    @annandune ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When Lis talks about the public passing judgement on Corbyn in 2019 he seems to completely overlook the fact that the biggest stumbling block was their policy on Brexit. I voted remain but I could see that any policy which didn't involve leaving the EU was going to go down badly with voters.
    Who was it who pushed for the Labour Party policy at conference? It certainly wasn't Corbyn. I think we all know who it was.
    I would have had more respect for Starmer had he stuck with that policy but he jettisoned it fairly early on so we all know why he pushed so hard for it.

  • @sb9191
    @sb9191 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm not voting so called "Labour "

  • @jonathaneffemey944
    @jonathaneffemey944 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for posting.

  • @robertallen591
    @robertallen591 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    labour is a coalition of the centre and left , that coalition is not viable anymore, and our democracy is not fit for purpose , we need proportional reperesentation if labour refuses the left should vote green or abstain,, ironicly the torries have the same problem, they to will split given pr the right should be as keen as us and vote ukip

  • @tesscot
    @tesscot ปีที่แล้ว +5

    All the pain they caused people and the defaming of characters and these guys are like, it's old news, and no one will ever be punished. We live in a corrupt world.

  • @jonathanlemonwrestlingshow9251
    @jonathanlemonwrestlingshow9251 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jeremy Corbyn is my favourite politician and he’s honest and kind and decent person and give me hope for a real change for uk 🇬🇧😊🤔😊😊😊😊😊🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈

  • @annenunney9907
    @annenunney9907 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well said Adam

  • @radicaltuesday6347
    @radicaltuesday6347 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wait, 98??
    Is there any correspondence on the Katherine Gunn case?

  • @nizamithirteen
    @nizamithirteen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good guy, Alex Nunn.

  • @ko6el
    @ko6el ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The labour 'right' shouldn't be IN the labour party. Full stop!

  • @nemohalperin
    @nemohalperin ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Corbyn still terrifies the political establishment. He achieved all that he did while his own party, the other parties, and the entire British media were doing all they could to get rid of him. So much so that the LSE published an analysis of how severe the bias was against him across the board. No other main party leader has received such a relentless campaign of hate. In a fair political and media environment the truth of his message would have swept him to power. To all those that worked against him - you are responsible for the catastrophe of the Johnson & Truss governments, the excess deaths, the corrupt bailouts of wealthy individuals and energy providers. Own it.

  • @khalidmehmood-lj7xg
    @khalidmehmood-lj7xg ปีที่แล้ว +7

    He was not prime minister but he was best for Britain still his vice best for Britain legend of Britain politics respect him please

  • @w4058
    @w4058 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely true he was our Jeremy Corbyn

  • @justinanderson617callme
    @justinanderson617callme ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For this guy to say Starmer doesn’t need to address anything in these documents is absurd. He needs to apologize for casting his own aspersions on anti-semites in Labor and de facto tanking Corbyn’s chances. To paint Corbyn as too far left anyways and now Labor is more sellable misses the point actually, they arent competitive with a possible honest centrist Tory because Labor cant stand on its own principles. I dont know maybe there is a good point there that Labor needs to win but, beyond this return to Thatcher do we need another return Blair as well? Neoliberalism in Labor clothes? Starmer would need to define himself very differently to not evoke this image of recapitulation

  • @olaolaitan7834
    @olaolaitan7834 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the reasons I cancelled my Labour Party Membership.

  • @stolentardis2111
    @stolentardis2111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No, just look at the statement Dan Fox’s wife and current labour MP Stella Creasly put out in response to these revelations

  • @margaretmorgan3693
    @margaretmorgan3693 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Blair Mandelson, Margaret Hodge and many more of the Blair followers were to blame.

    • @a.m.armstrong8354
      @a.m.armstrong8354 ปีที่แล้ว

      They were gofers for the Neoliberal globalist oligarchs..except Hodge who is part of an Oligarch dynasty.

  • @jenniferanderson9060
    @jenniferanderson9060 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    GG said JC lost 2017 by 3000 votes. Isn't that impossible.? Who owns the contract for counting the votes since brexit.? A tory donner.

  • @douglasthain9481
    @douglasthain9481 ปีที่แล้ว

    Party members Triple.
    Why are you not doing your job by exposing Starmers' blatant lies the level number of people members expelled?

  • @andrewalex7873
    @andrewalex7873 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love an argument from Tony Benn, John Smith, George Galloway, John Pilger even Nigel Farage.
    But Starmer is bought & paid for, weak & deliberately slow in deliberation & action.
    Mr Corbyn has my Respect 💥

  • @johncourtneidge
    @johncourtneidge ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No. Because the Right-wing support Capitalism, while we on the left wish to replace capitalism.
    More-over, the expulsion with no-hearing or -appeal rule 2019 change gives the Right an iron grip.

  • @Dannyboy0202
    @Dannyboy0202 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How can anyone who is left-wing ever vote for Labour after this exposè

  • @Gumby703
    @Gumby703 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why don’t you number these ?

  • @LeftUntilRight
    @LeftUntilRight ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm an ordinary person and i do care for the internal fighting. Its a pain and i wish it weren't so but labour trying to out its left wing means it is ostracising its leftist voters, myself among them. disgrace the way the left were treated by labour, which when measured against the Tories, are the left leaning base. I'm still yet to decide who I'm voting for this season but I will be watching as many others are right now.

    • @LeftUntilRight
      @LeftUntilRight ปีที่แล้ว

      I hope labour can pull themselves together and acknowledge their mistakes, once that is done we can move forward together.

    • @LeftUntilRight
      @LeftUntilRight ปีที่แล้ว

      This is not yesterdays news as the leaders currently still have their own motives. You should be serving the people.

  • @patcampton7163
    @patcampton7163 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The constant fighting always comes from the right not the left.

  • @douglasthain9481
    @douglasthain9481 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The blatant bias is not being reported. Knowledge is power because of the lack of coverage of probably the biggest political Scandal in our political history

  • @delphineblackburn3944
    @delphineblackburn3944 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I suggest that the left of the party boycott Starmer.

  • @alangriffey8947
    @alangriffey8947 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like Jeremy Corbyn but wasn't impress when I heard him talk at Tolpuddle around 2018
    he didn't say anything particularly radical, to me it just sounded like rhetoric. A friend said that's good he's keeping his intentions under wraps. Nigel Farage, who I can't stand, for instance didn't play it safe he candidly said what he thought, and won the people over that way. Jeremy's speech was to my ears bland. The crowd cheered him but I wondered if they were being sincere?

  • @danpatterson7108
    @danpatterson7108 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I still won't vote Labour and i'm a member

    • @originalkitten
      @originalkitten ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same. But I want to leave. It won’t accept my password or reset it lol

    • @poppyfielding5349
      @poppyfielding5349 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      the Labourf Party are lacking a leader who truly reflects the need of the working people.I like you am incredibly sad but we need to fight for a leader who is prepared to suypport the workin people without feeling he has to embrasse not only the middle classes but also the media. Sad day for the Labour Party.

    • @originalkitten
      @originalkitten ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@poppyfielding5349 agreed. Banning Naomi was the straw that broke the proverbial camels back

    • @profhortsunlover1536
      @profhortsunlover1536 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      dishonest dan, fullo' bull

    • @danpatterson7108
      @danpatterson7108 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@profhortsunlover1536 Hahaha how am I dishonest?... so you think I will vote for them? Good luck with that one then lol

  • @86MarcusP
    @86MarcusP ปีที่แล้ว

    "Boris should start a club with the others" brilliant 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @tommartin2423
      @tommartin2423 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, I didn't quite understand that bit. Was Boris deposed by Israeli subversion too?

    • @oneoflokis
      @oneoflokis ปีที่แล้ว

      Why would an honest man like Corbyn club up with a crook like Johnson? 😏

  • @bobdinwiddy
    @bobdinwiddy ปีที่แล้ว

    the fact they never could stomach militant labour but kicked them out after losing to Maggy. the Bishops Stortford Conference . . . was the start of Militant Neo Liberalism aka the Tories.

  • @s80heb
    @s80heb ปีที่แล้ว +6

    🇵🇸

  • @junehawker2364
    @junehawker2364 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't agree with Jonathan at all
    He must be a right leaning stammer supporter
    JEREMY CORBYN needs to become Leader to once and for all make LABOUR a movement of the people

  • @johnlowe3050
    @johnlowe3050 ปีที่แล้ว

    Piers gives him a lift....always late

  • @nicolaisacc2014
    @nicolaisacc2014 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would give my vote to Corbyn over Torry boy starmer any day of the week

  • @Raukura42
    @Raukura42 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a deliciously ironic comment at 17.48 “An elected leadership was sabotaged by its own, by its own side.” You mean like in 1980 onward when Benn and his cohorts constantly undermined Foote and Healey? 😂

  • @annenunney9907
    @annenunney9907 ปีที่แล้ว

    Who said so

  • @junehawker2364
    @junehawker2364 ปีที่แล้ว

    No mention of stamer and links with Israel

  • @jarosawbielski2301
    @jarosawbielski2301 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like snow in summer and rain in harvest,
    so also the fool will not be glorified.

  • @86MarcusP
    @86MarcusP ปีที่แล้ว

    🤔🔥

  • @AB-bf9ne
    @AB-bf9ne ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He's not in the Labour Party.

    • @mjc01
      @mjc01 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who? Corbyn? He is in the Labour Party. He was suspended very briefly. He is not a Labour MP but he is a Labour member. I left because Starmer is a coward, a liar and a bully.

  • @brianchamberlain3640
    @brianchamberlain3640 ปีที่แล้ว

    Look into Cobyn during his days with Bernie grant. Wood green .

  • @sirgaymeerkat1994
    @sirgaymeerkat1994 ปีที่แล้ว

    the party is split! and I'll never vote for them as they are!

  • @djfmitv
    @djfmitv ปีที่แล้ว

    Given your expose' (The Labour Files) on the NEC's (and other high-ups) against ordinary members of the Labour Party, as well as potential supporters, which you said was a concerted campaign against Corbyn or anyone who thought he was any good, along with a high number of the public supporting Corbyn (especially the younger demographic), it does seem that this 'discussion' is fixated less on the findings and more on how 'bad' & 'unelectable' many claimed Corbyn was. Further, don't you find it odd that at the same time as this expose, that the Tories are practically going through a similar type of internal divisive coup? If BOTH parties are being subverted from within by those who do not like the views of the electorate nor members in either party, then maybe your focus should be to expand your investigation ASAP. Both Left & Right need to form alliances now to get rid of this permanent political class that is destroying people's right to chose their representatives, rather than having *hint* Klaus Schwab's minions (Blair, Brown & Starmer) be coronated de-facto rulers like Chancellor Hunt is right now!

  • @lenarobinson438
    @lenarobinson438 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, split the Labour Party

  • @sharenwhitlock7737
    @sharenwhitlock7737 ปีที่แล้ว

    The political 'scientist' (😂 ridiculous term) is really down on Corbyn, ending each statement by somehow playing down Corbyns popularity.

  • @mariacrouch7109
    @mariacrouch7109 ปีที่แล้ว

    No it can't because there's no forgiveness and no loyalty to Jeremy or other MPs so this will affect Thier labourship no doubt

  • @mariacrouch7109
    @mariacrouch7109 ปีที่แล้ว

    Opinion polls on bothe party's are going to drop

  • @lee2749
    @lee2749 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It’s never Corbyn or Johnson’s fault is it? Good riddance to both of them.

  • @lgar2554
    @lgar2554 ปีที่แล้ว

    2/3rds of the panel decided not to speak to the issue presented, but gave a rundown of the current horse race. I will watch the series but Khan really should have picked better commenters (other than corbyns speech writer)

  • @sidevans1
    @sidevans1 ปีที่แล้ว

    a lot of crying and excuses here