I agree, the best thing for this processor is not to let it run on auto taking in 300W and running at sub 5GHz speeds. This processor is clearly meant for people to tinker with it and find a middle ground between clocks and power consumption.
I can't believe as much as it cost how hot it runs.I ended up overclocking my 12900k to 5.2ghz P cores 4.1ghz E cores 41 ring ratio voltage @1.295v runs cooler that stock.highest temp during cinnabench was package temp got to °88c the 12900ks is not worth the extra price
In gaming it actually runs great. I get a 5.4ghz all p core OC and 4.2ghz all E core oc with a ring clock at 4.2ghz and it is super cool in the mid 50s.
KS is just a pre-applied OC and some binning. You can manually OC it also for best results. And indeed it worked also on this video. Factory OC just sucks as it normally does.
While watching this video on my NH-D15 cooled "silver quality" 5950X (DDR4 3600 18-19-19-36) I opened Ryzen Master, set the PPT to 200W and ran R15 multi and got a score of exactly 4600 (while pulling 162W package power, limited by cooling). +3.2% on the KS at 5.3. No voltage tweaks, etc. I'm not at all saying that the 5950X is faster than the KS, but yes, you can throw more power and cooling at processors and they run faster. I'm pretty non-plussed about intel 12th gen i9's but I guess they're better than 11th gen and are hopefully enough of a threat that Intel and AMD will keep innovating.
I also have an air cooled 5950X (Fuma 2 cooler). Mine is drawing around 200W with PBO + CO. The Alder Lake CPUs look very good for this gen, but of course it will be good many years before I actually start needing an upgrade.
I was just saying over the 12900k vs 12900ks for $200 more not really worth it as far as my 12900k I was putting those clocks out there meaning I got a pretty good binned chip also going from 10900k to 12900k is big difference it's fast but it's hot also running a corsair 360mm Aio it's a must with this chip and yes I like when intel and Amd is competitive.Its better for us gamers
I think that MSi step up on their products a lot. nice video Mr Leo! thanks so much. let me get some gear to make a small loop like that to replace my aio that is getting old
I think this video shows how much of a threat the low wattage AMD cpu combined with 3D V-Cache technology which is rumoured to form part of AM5 with higher cpu speeds is something Intel is taking very serious (and throwing heaps of e-cores to 13th Gen) and if AMD throws in another 15-20% IPC gain on top we could see some serious competition and a serious reason to upgrade from the Ryzen 5000 series and Intel 12th Gen 🤯🤔.
Intel still uses a 10 nm fabrication process, so the only way it can compete against AMD's 7nm is by increasing the power consumption. Not a good sign in the era where we should rather save up resources not waste them more. Apple M1 knows they can get the technology lead by buying off all the 5nm chips, hindering the progress of the competition. And yes, they lead the benchmarks currently... I hope this will change, AMD's architecture is already very promising in terms of energy efficiency in the 7nm fab deparment.
Guess the only proper AIO for the new KS would have to be that TEC AIO they used earlier to gain the upper hand in previous gen ;) Question is, would it work with AL/Z690 and W11? ;)
most shocking part of the review: how much Pat Gelsinger took home last year. How much longer can this continue? Meanwhile I'm happy with my i9-12900 non-K-anything. Why hasn't that processor been reviewed by anyone?
@@aps-c1766 it's more performant than an i7-12700K without the high power consumption of the i9-12900K. It's the sweet spot. Your comment makes no sense.
I really feel like price to performance sweet spot is at i7 12700. At least for me. It is a little frustrating how much the k sku's get versus the more practical options. I get why they sample out the halo products: large numbers are impressive. But the reviews are more interesting than useful.
Got s sp 104 12900k does 5.5 ghz and 4133 mhz c15 gear 1 ddr4 vary happy with it . My 9900 ks ,@ 5.0 ghz @ 1.14 v is jealous but this ok she's still running
Wasn't Intel talking about the KS before the 5800X3D was even announced? EDIT They both were announced at CES 2022, but either way Intel had the KS planned before the X3D was announced, so it's a bit disingenuous to imply it was a hastily assembled response to AMD.
What I said in the video is 'what can have possibly led Intel to decide it was time to bring out a slightly juiced up version of their existing processor' so you can see I was actually talking about the launch date rather than the development or the original announcement. Leo
Leo, you are the only real presenter on this channel. I only watch when you are on. The rest of these guys are a snooze fest. Ditch these guys and get your own million subs. I'm sure the numbers back me up. Just my opinion.....
I shall take the compliment but have to point out that some of KitGuru's most popular videos have nothing to do with me. To pick a few examples, James' custom builds do monster traffic, Luke draws a healthy audience for RAM (which is a tough gig) and Dominic's analysis of games and graphics always goes down well. Leo
I've spent days trying to cool my 12900k but it still immediately shoots to 100c about 3 seconds into Cinebench r23 testing. This is even under stock settings. Its being cooled by an Kraken X73 with the LGA1700 bracket with all panels off the case for excellent airflow and 6 fans on the radiator in push/pull config. I've remounted the coole and tried different thermal paste application and still makes no difference on my Strix Z690 board. Don't know what else to try now.
As we show in this video, the Vcore setting makes a huge difference to the CPU power load which in turn directly affects temperatures and cooling. As we also show, your 12900K should pull about 215W in Cinebench R23.
@@KitGuruTech Thanks very much for the reply! Been playing around all afternoon and ended up doing the washer mod with m4 1mm washers and fixed the issue. It was my cooler not contacting the ihs properly. Thanks for the video!
No 5800x3d temps… hot boi please use 6000/6400 or even 6600 ddr5 ram on intel. Internal memory controller with gear 2 will be hampered with 5200. Or use decent ddr4 low latency.
Great news? No it isn't. Filler is filler; non-content is non-content; and there are bozos who'll watch any old dreck in any old audience. I skipped past that video just as I skipped past your occaisional bum article in Micromart. It is the rocky ride and Leonine commentary and asides I'm here for. 😉 ps. I'm an enthusiast; I have deep enough pockets; BUT I am am not a loony. This CPU makes no sense even for willy-waving.
Undervolting IS the new overclocking.
This review made me more confident about this processor, especially as it appears to be meant for tinkering more than overcloking or running auto.
Great video, very helpful for people getting the KS , the lowering of voltage seems to be the right thing to do.
I agree, the best thing for this processor is not to let it run on auto taking in 300W and running at sub 5GHz speeds. This processor is clearly meant for people to tinker with it and find a middle ground between clocks and power consumption.
I can't believe as much as it cost how hot it runs.I ended up overclocking my 12900k to 5.2ghz P cores 4.1ghz E cores 41 ring ratio voltage @1.295v runs cooler that stock.highest temp during cinnabench was package temp got to °88c the 12900ks is not worth the extra price
In gaming it actually runs great. I get a 5.4ghz all p core OC and 4.2ghz all E core oc with a ring clock at 4.2ghz and it is super cool in the mid 50s.
KS is just a pre-applied OC and some binning. You can manually OC it also for best results. And indeed it worked also on this video. Factory OC just sucks as it normally does.
@@connor040606 whats your voltage at?
@@timtoomuch 1.385
@@connor040606 thank you
While watching this video on my NH-D15 cooled "silver quality" 5950X (DDR4 3600 18-19-19-36) I opened Ryzen Master, set the PPT to 200W and ran R15 multi and got a score of exactly 4600 (while pulling 162W package power, limited by cooling). +3.2% on the KS at 5.3. No voltage tweaks, etc. I'm not at all saying that the 5950X is faster than the KS, but yes, you can throw more power and cooling at processors and they run faster. I'm pretty non-plussed about intel 12th gen i9's but I guess they're better than 11th gen and are hopefully enough of a threat that Intel and AMD will keep innovating.
I also have an air cooled 5950X (Fuma 2 cooler). Mine is drawing around 200W with PBO + CO. The Alder Lake CPUs look very good for this gen, but of course it will be good many years before I actually start needing an upgrade.
The Ryzen 9 5950X fan club has some illustrious members
th-cam.com/video/LqSZ6ppdQDc/w-d-xo.html
I was just saying over the 12900k vs 12900ks for $200 more not really worth it as far as my 12900k I was putting those clocks out there meaning I got a pretty good binned chip also going from 10900k to 12900k is big difference it's fast but it's hot also running a corsair 360mm Aio it's a must with this chip and yes I like when intel and Amd is competitive.Its better for us gamers
I'm really glad you said strap in instead of what I thought you said, strap on.
Glad you enjoyed it Ma'am
I think that MSi step up on their products a lot. nice video Mr Leo! thanks so much. let me get some gear to make a small loop like that to replace my aio that is getting old
What about the warping issues the Intel 12th gen CPU's are known for.
Thank you so much, drop my temps and up the perf with that undervolt
Thank you for the review Leo!
Great review as always.
Awesome job Leo.
Maybe try one more time with the E-cores disabed🤔
Amazing review Leo!!! ❤️
I think this video shows how much of a threat the low wattage AMD cpu combined with 3D V-Cache technology which is rumoured to form part of AM5 with higher cpu speeds is something Intel is taking very serious (and throwing heaps of e-cores to 13th Gen) and if AMD throws in another 15-20% IPC gain on top we could see some serious competition and a serious reason to upgrade from the Ryzen 5000 series and Intel 12th Gen 🤯🤔.
I very much doubt that for next gen there is enough of a reason to upgrade from Alder Lake or Zen 3.
Intel still uses a 10 nm fabrication process, so the only way it can compete against AMD's 7nm is by increasing the power consumption. Not a good sign in the era where we should rather save up resources not waste them more. Apple M1 knows they can get the technology lead by buying off all the 5nm chips, hindering the progress of the competition. And yes, they lead the benchmarks currently... I hope this will change, AMD's architecture is already very promising in terms of energy efficiency in the 7nm fab deparment.
Guess the only proper AIO for the new KS would have to be that TEC AIO they used earlier to gain the upper hand in previous gen ;) Question is, would it work with AL/Z690 and W11? ;)
If I can find an 12900kS for USD345, should I for it? I have a system with i9 13900K, want to build another PC for my brother.
i9-12900KS: 300+ watts, £750 furnace. 5800X3D: 110 watts, £410. 5950x: 130 watts, sub £500.
And don't forget to tell the bottles neck with a 3090 and the TI version.
Hi KitGuru, why temps are so high on MSI board and you say it's no board fault ? thank you
Where do I say 'no board fault? I detail how the MSI Beta BIOS feeds over 300W to the CPU and that sends the temperature sky high.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech 7:42, but i see now voltage is much higher on MSI
@@Dimastiy5565 Inded, This part of the conclusion covers the wider point
th-cam.com/video/XoZgvzYppkM/w-d-xo.html
most shocking part of the review: how much Pat Gelsinger took home last year. How much longer can this continue? Meanwhile I'm happy with my i9-12900 non-K-anything. Why hasn't that processor been reviewed by anyone?
Because that cpu just basic.
@@aps-c1766 it's more performant than an i7-12700K without the high power consumption of the i9-12900K. It's the sweet spot. Your comment makes no sense.
@@treyquattro you compare i7 with i9. You sure about that???
I really feel like price to performance sweet spot is at i7 12700. At least for me. It is a little frustrating how much the k sku's get versus the more practical options. I get why they sample out the halo products: large numbers are impressive. But the reviews are more interesting than useful.
Wow you really got to mess with this thing to get it under control. Leaving settings as is its a disaster.
youve got yourself a rather highly binned KS to be able to do 5.3ghz all core at 1.275 BIOS vcore which is more like 1.2-1.25 vcore at the CPU..
Got s sp 104 12900k does 5.5 ghz and 4133 mhz c15 gear 1 ddr4 vary happy with it . My 9900 ks ,@ 5.0 ghz @ 1.14 v is jealous but this ok she's still running
Wasn't Intel talking about the KS before the 5800X3D was even announced?
EDIT They both were announced at CES 2022, but either way Intel had the KS planned before the X3D was announced, so it's a bit disingenuous to imply it was a hastily assembled response to AMD.
What I said in the video is 'what can have possibly led Intel to decide it was time to bring out a slightly juiced up version of their existing processor' so you can see I was actually talking about the launch date rather than the development or the original announcement.
Leo
Leo, you are the only real presenter on this channel. I only watch when you are on. The rest of these guys are a snooze fest. Ditch these guys and get your own million subs. I'm sure the numbers back me up. Just my opinion.....
I shall take the compliment but have to point out that some of KitGuru's most popular videos have nothing to do with me. To pick a few examples, James' custom builds do monster traffic, Luke draws a healthy audience for RAM (which is a tough gig) and Dominic's analysis of games and graphics always goes down well.
Leo
I've spent days trying to cool my 12900k but it still immediately shoots to 100c about 3 seconds into Cinebench r23 testing. This is even under stock settings. Its being cooled by an Kraken X73 with the LGA1700 bracket with all panels off the case for excellent airflow and 6 fans on the radiator in push/pull config. I've remounted the coole and tried different thermal paste application and still makes no difference on my Strix Z690 board. Don't know what else to try now.
As we show in this video, the Vcore setting makes a huge difference to the CPU power load which in turn directly affects temperatures and cooling. As we also show, your 12900K should pull about 215W in Cinebench R23.
@@KitGuruTech Thanks very much for the reply! Been playing around all afternoon and ended up doing the washer mod with m4 1mm washers and fixed the issue. It was my cooler not contacting the ihs properly. Thanks for the video!
No 5800x3d temps… hot boi please use 6000/6400 or even 6600 ddr5 ram on intel. Internal memory controller with gear 2 will be hampered with 5200. Or use decent ddr4 low latency.
Luke covers temperatures in his review of the 3D
www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-review-worth-the-cache/13/
2024s last hope
...but 5.5Ghz is a VERY (Seriously) large number. 🤣🤣🤣
Someone should flip the script, review it against a 12900T, I mean, include the normal K sure, but why not?
If anyone is thinking about buying a T or perhaps a KS but is not including a K in that conversation, I would be interested to hear from them!
Leo
I bought one just because
Does the title in the thumbnail: "FAST, JUICY, HOT & DUMB" refer to the 12900KS...... or to Leo??
The KS. Leo's not dumb. ;)
@@benjaminoechsli1941 You get a heart
Need contact frame Leo. You will see the difference. I am just gonna say mobo bracket for cpu is garbage
Great news? No it isn't. Filler is filler; non-content is non-content; and there are bozos who'll watch any old dreck in any old audience. I skipped past that video just as I skipped past your occaisional bum article in Micromart. It is the rocky ride and Leonine commentary and asides I'm here for. 😉 ps. I'm an enthusiast; I have deep enough pockets; BUT I am am not a loony. This CPU makes no sense even for willy-waving.
You weren't being nice though. For me the performance/power ratios were interesting to learn.
E ween is literally all this would be good for, everywhere else a few % difference is subjectively undetectable
Disgusting power usage, sure they have clock speed but at that cost forget it!
Especially interesting that I've just read NVIDIA's RTX 4090 rumored to consume 600W although there are now speculations about a TDP of 900W.
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