Yes, I'm going through the website article and I'm already thankful for the pictures of the product's arrival; it gives perspective to understand the logics needed for all this. I'm also looking to understand the difference between the standard and the commercial versions of this printer, in case you have some material about this. Again, thank you very much!
Thanks Keith, looking forward to future videos on the P5000. On a recent video you had a quick look at a print with a loupe. Generally what do you look for?
With strong magnification, it's print/paper setup problems such as banding or ink bleed (hopefully banished at the profiling/media selection stage). Milder magnification is mainly to compensate for my relatively poor close vision - If you see me wearing two pairs of glasses it's to get a feel for the relative levels of sharpening and fine contrast in the print. I'm much more likely to do this sort of testing when testing a new printer and paper - much of my testing is aimed at making printing predictable. The more I'm happy with print quality, the more I can concentrate on the image and 'higher level' editing choices.
Thank you for another great video, even though I am not planning on buying an A2 printer it was interesting to watch. I agree with you regarding EPL, I think the software is good, it does the job of printing well, except that I wish it had two feature, which are not there unless I missed something. (1) I wish it was possible the save the settings. When I print in B&W I occasionally change the default settings for an image in ABW, which I wish to save for future reference to be able to print a similar image. (2) I wish there was a way to print text outside the image, on the border. It would be nice to be able to print a title, or some other information, like the date the picture was taken, copyright or whatever else.
Thanks I've wondered about persistent settings, but the problem is where to store the data? If it's jpeg/tiff file printed directly, then do you want unknown data adding somewhere into the original file? If called from Photoshop, then the file is not open in EPL, it's just the data sent to EPL for printing. Same goes for text - what text? If i'm using EPL directly then maybe there is some metadata, but called from PS, there is none
@@KeithCooper I think it would be fine with a separate file which contains the name of the image file and all the EPL settings for that file plus the date and the time of the printing. That file should be readable by EPL in case one wants to reproduce identical copies. Opening that file should open the image file. Personally I have a separate folder called Printing, and in that folder I save copies of all the printed images. That way the image files are easily found, saving the EPL settings file should be done to the same folder where the image is located. The file may not work from Photoshop, unless it is called by the printer driver also, but that's the price you'd pay for using Photoshop. For example, if I use the Nikon raw developer I am using, the file which is created by that software with my settings is also not readable by Photoshop, so it doesn't matter if the EPL file is also not readable. You want to use the EPL file feature? Use EPL with it. No big deal in my opinion. I think it would be nice to have such feature, as well as the possibility to print text in the margins, just like a kind of document header / footer.
Yes - problem is I had one of my previous software developer hats on in that answer ;-) There simply is no file if you are using EPL from other software - and it's very widely used with other software. There is a preset function available - which handles any customisation I want, but it is a general preset. Titling might be an option, but my gut feeling is that anything which requires files saving for images is not a direction I'd want to take this software. That said, I am asked for feedback, so I'll pass it on - not my job to design software interfaces any more ;-)
@@KeithCooper My background is also in software and firmware development area, but have not worked with it the last 20 years... 😀 Anyway, I am convinced that my ideas are solvable, but I don't expect Epson to do anything about them.
Hi Keith! Great to the point video. Just in time for me, as I was looking at it compared to the P900. Does this printer need to purge the black inks when switching from matte to gloss?
Yes, there is a black ink swap :-( One of the few areas where the P900 'wins' in a comparison... I'll be covering this when I do the review overview, but the main detailed review was written a while ago and discusses this: www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-epson-p5000-printer/
Thanks No Affinity info - it's on my to-do list, but I concentrate on Photoshop and using software like Epson Print Layout. I do have a Mac version of Affinity, so may well give it a go, however I'll more likely do it with a more 'popular' printer like the PRO-200 or 300
A short update... I've just been looking at printing from Affinity Photo, and print control/layout in the application is still relatively basic. It doesn't work directly with Canon Professional Print and Layout or Epson Print Layout software as plugins. Hence, if I was printing from Affinity, I'd export the print files and use EPL or PPL as standalone applications. I don't have any more basic printers here to test, so can't say how well Affinity actually does in print layout/colour management or the likes. I'll admit to being a little disappointed in print handling - even my old CS6 version of Photoshop on my Macbook has far better control of printing at a level I'd be happy with. [there is no selection of profile rendering intent in the Affinity print dialogue for example] Affinity has improved massively in its editing capabilities - I think there's no coincidence in printing not being referred to on the main page for it at: affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/ Maybe for the next version...
Not that I know of - there are lots of warnings about it being a one time choice. I'd ask on the printer forums at Luminous Landscape and DPReview - someone may have tried it and found a way. It will take a lot of ink flushing through...
Thanks for reminding me... I'll cover this in a video, but for the basic printer, on setup, you get a choice of choosing light grey or violet ink. The LLK is best for photo use, since it improves printing over the entire gamut. Violet expands the gamut slightly - it's primarily intended for the proofing market (the main area of sales for this printer). The printer is available in some markets with RIP software - mainly for proofing and commercial print - not what I'd pick for my own photo use. Lastly, there is the spectroproofer option with a spectrophotometer attached on the front - here again, the hint is in the name 'proofer' Whilst it's usable for making profiles, it wouldn't be my choice for photo use. I reviewed it on the predecessor of the P5000, the SP4900. www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-stylus-pro-sp4900-review/ Hope that helps - was there another version [availability varies in different markets]
As to size - if not a paid-for print or to fit a specific matt/frame then it's purely arbitrary I do have a video looking at why some images better suit bigger prints, but it is largely a matter of personal taste and preferences - there is no formula!
Probably not - it's an out and out office printer. From a print quality POV, it will likely be very similar to the WF-C8960 I reviewed www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-wf-c8690-printer-review/
Yes, it will print canvas just fine, but the inbuilt cutter is not really meant for frequent use with such thick media. I do mention it in the original [written] review, where I tested it with a 17" roll of canvas. www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-epson-p5000-printer/
Not really, since one sensor is in the printhead and used to know where the start of the media is and its horizontal position. You need to ask on a forum devoted to digital negatives and the like to see how people use different printers
![Printing a Baryta A2 Colour print: Epson P5000 [~16" x 23"]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QPlfrMmd1AM/mqdefault.jpg)
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Thanks!
Much appreciated!
Thank you very much Mr.Cooper. Great detailed information and it's highly appreciated by detail-oriented people. Cheers!
Thank you
If you've not seen them, even more detail usually goes into the written reviews [along with links to all related videos/articles]
Yes, I'm going through the website article and I'm already thankful for the pictures of the product's arrival; it gives perspective to understand the logics needed for all this.
I'm also looking to understand the difference between the standard and the commercial versions of this printer, in case you have some material about this.
Again, thank you very much!
I believe it's related to the Violet/LLK ink choice
LLK for photo/art use
Very helpful. as always.
Thanks
Thanks Keith, looking forward to future videos on the P5000.
On a recent video you had a quick look at a print with a loupe. Generally what do you look for?
With strong magnification, it's print/paper setup problems such as banding or ink bleed (hopefully banished at the profiling/media selection stage).
Milder magnification is mainly to compensate for my relatively poor close vision - If you see me wearing two pairs of glasses it's to get a feel for the relative levels of sharpening and fine contrast in the print.
I'm much more likely to do this sort of testing when testing a new printer and paper - much of my testing is aimed at making printing predictable. The more I'm happy with print quality, the more I can concentrate on the image and 'higher level' editing choices.
Thank you for another great video, even though I am not planning on buying an A2 printer it was interesting to watch. I agree with you regarding EPL, I think the software is good, it does the job of printing well, except that I wish it had two feature, which are not there unless I missed something. (1) I wish it was possible the save the settings. When I print in B&W I occasionally change the default settings for an image in ABW, which I wish to save for future reference to be able to print a similar image. (2) I wish there was a way to print text outside the image, on the border. It would be nice to be able to print a title, or some other information, like the date the picture was taken, copyright or whatever else.
Thanks
I've wondered about persistent settings, but the problem is where to store the data?
If it's jpeg/tiff file printed directly, then do you want unknown data adding somewhere into the original file? If called from Photoshop, then the file is not open in EPL, it's just the data sent to EPL for printing. Same goes for text - what text? If i'm using EPL directly then maybe there is some metadata, but called from PS, there is none
@@KeithCooper I think it would be fine with a separate file which contains the name of the image file and all the EPL settings for that file plus the date and the time of the printing. That file should be readable by EPL in case one wants to reproduce identical copies. Opening that file should open the image file. Personally I have a separate folder called Printing, and in that folder I save copies of all the printed images. That way the image files are easily found, saving the EPL settings file should be done to the same folder where the image is located. The file may not work from Photoshop, unless it is called by the printer driver also, but that's the price you'd pay for using Photoshop. For example, if I use the Nikon raw developer I am using, the file which is created by that software with my settings is also not readable by Photoshop, so it doesn't matter if the EPL file is also not readable. You want to use the EPL file feature? Use EPL with it. No big deal in my opinion. I think it would be nice to have such feature, as well as the possibility to print text in the margins, just like a kind of document header / footer.
Yes - problem is I had one of my previous software developer hats on in that answer ;-)
There simply is no file if you are using EPL from other software - and it's very widely used with other software.
There is a preset function available - which handles any customisation I want, but it is a general preset.
Titling might be an option, but my gut feeling is that anything which requires files saving for images is not a direction I'd want to take this software.
That said, I am asked for feedback, so I'll pass it on - not my job to design software interfaces any more ;-)
@@KeithCooper My background is also in software and firmware development area, but have not worked with it the last 20 years... 😀 Anyway, I am convinced that my ideas are solvable, but I don't expect Epson to do anything about them.
Hi Keith! Great to the point video. Just in time for me, as I was looking at it compared to the P900. Does this printer need to purge the black inks when switching from matte to gloss?
Yes, there is a black ink swap :-(
One of the few areas where the P900 'wins' in a comparison...
I'll be covering this when I do the review overview, but the main detailed review was written a while ago and discusses this:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-epson-p5000-printer/
It's a very good video if you were to recommend a printer between the Canon Pro 1100 and the Epson P 5370. Which one would you recommend?
It depends...
...on your requirements - two distinctly different printers
No way I can make a simple recommendation between them...
Taking into account the print quality and its head
Meaningless and unanswerable I'm afraid...
User requirements are paramount
Thanks for the informative video Keith , I've just bought one, wondered if you have any info printing from Affinity ?
Cheers
Phil
Thanks
No Affinity info - it's on my to-do list, but I concentrate on Photoshop and using software like Epson Print Layout.
I do have a Mac version of Affinity, so may well give it a go, however I'll more likely do it with a more 'popular' printer like the PRO-200 or 300
A short update...
I've just been looking at printing from Affinity Photo, and print control/layout in the application is still relatively basic.
It doesn't work directly with Canon Professional Print and Layout or Epson Print Layout software as plugins.
Hence, if I was printing from Affinity, I'd export the print files and use EPL or PPL as standalone applications.
I don't have any more basic printers here to test, so can't say how well Affinity actually does in print layout/colour management or the likes.
I'll admit to being a little disappointed in print handling - even my old CS6 version of Photoshop on my Macbook has far better control of printing at a level I'd be happy with. [there is no selection of profile rendering intent in the Affinity print dialogue for example]
Affinity has improved massively in its editing capabilities - I think there's no coincidence in printing not being referred to on the main page for it at:
affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
Maybe for the next version...
@@KeithCooper Thanks Keith, I'll probably have a go with EPL
Cheer
Phil
Is there a way to reset the ink set selection? I went with violet but I want llk.
Not that I know of - there are lots of warnings about it being a one time choice.
I'd ask on the printer forums at Luminous Landscape and DPReview - someone may have tried it and found a way. It will take a lot of ink flushing through...
I have seen that there are different types of the P5000. I can’t find what the difference is between these different types
Perhaps you know?
Thanks for reminding me... I'll cover this in a video, but for the basic printer, on setup, you get a choice of choosing light grey or violet ink. The LLK is best for photo use, since it improves printing over the entire gamut. Violet expands the gamut slightly - it's primarily intended for the proofing market (the main area of sales for this printer).
The printer is available in some markets with RIP software - mainly for proofing and commercial print - not what I'd pick for my own photo use.
Lastly, there is the spectroproofer option with a spectrophotometer attached on the front - here again, the hint is in the name 'proofer'
Whilst it's usable for making profiles, it wouldn't be my choice for photo use. I reviewed it on the predecessor of the P5000, the SP4900.
www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-stylus-pro-sp4900-review/
Hope that helps - was there another version [availability varies in different markets]
@@KeithCooper thank you for your answer it helps.
I like the information, thank you. How do you decide the size of the print. Is it a function of number of details in the picture?
Glad it was helpful!
As to size - if not a paid-for print or to fit a specific matt/frame then it's purely arbitrary
I do have a video looking at why some images better suit bigger prints, but it is largely a matter of personal taste and preferences - there is no formula!
Hi there would you consider doing a detailed review of the Epson ET 16600 I simply cannot find one anywhere???
Probably not - it's an out and out office printer.
From a print quality POV, it will likely be very similar to the WF-C8960 I reviewed
www.northlight-images.co.uk/epson-wf-c8690-printer-review/
@@KeithCooper Thank you I have to experiment
Which way up for the paper would be good information
Ah - never covered this in a video
I've an article from a while ago:
www.northlight-images.co.uk/which-side-of-the-paper-to-print-on/
Hi . Is this printer good for canvas ?
Yes, it will print canvas just fine, but the inbuilt cutter is not really meant for frequent use with such thick media.
I do mention it in the original [written] review, where I tested it with a 17" roll of canvas.
www.northlight-images.co.uk/review-epson-p5000-printer/
How do i get my p5000 to recognize transparency paper?
I'm not sure it's properly detected by the paper sensors, so it needs a backing sheet of thin paper.
This is not something I've tried though
@KeithCooper do you think one could tape the paper sensor or something? I need to find the sensor first i suppose
Not really, since one sensor is in the printhead and used to know where the start of the media is and its horizontal position.
You need to ask on a forum devoted to digital negatives and the like to see how people use different printers
"Print is looking good" Can you see the print through the plastic part from above the printer Keith?
Yes - it's not lit, like the latest printers, but it's clear to see.