"This area's so huge, we even had a loading screen back there" was one of the fourth wall breaking quotes that got mentioned in WatchMojo's Top 10 list of fourth wall breaks in video games video.
I completely agree regarding Palutena's behavior. Unfortunately, the biggest problem is that Pit kind of enables her to do that. He doesn't ever seem to overly object and just accepts whatever she does. He essentially just lets her get away with treating him like that. So, in a sense, Viridi is right, Pit is kind of "an insufferable suck-up".
I feel like even if pit wasn't always an suck up he would still never say no to palutena because 1. She is a god and 2. Without palutena (or in this case viridi) it would be very difficult for pit to be a effective fighter
Honestly, i've always thought that Palutena's behavior is more to show how much confidence she has in Pit, she believes in him and trusts him to be able to succeed in the face of adversity
I actually think there's another person from Greek mythology that could fit better than Hercules. That one is Jason, Captain of the Argo, with his comrades the Argonauts, and having been trained and raised by his teacher/master, Chiron. Of all the Greek Heroes, he's the one who fits the most as a great warrior who lost everything.
You talk about having no real connection to the Chariot Master's master, but what about Chiron? Chiron trained Heracles, along with many other heroes, and ended up dying, due to Heracles accidentally shooting him with a poisoned arrow. Yes, he was immortal, but he renounced his immortality, and died in exchange for Prometheus' freedom. There's your dead master, and it fits with your theory.
Viridi: "I always forget how big clubs are." Pit: "But they're not as heavy as they look!" Viridi: "Bigger isn't always better, you know." Pit: "Small things please small minds!" Viridi: "The best things come in small packages!" Pit: "So do small potatoes!" Viridi: "Great oaks from little acorns grow!" Pit: "Talk softly and carry a big stick!" Viridi: "The bigger they are, the harder they fall!" Pit: "I'm... large and in charge?" Viridi: "You're too big for your britches!" Pit: "A bird in the hand will keep the doctor away?" Viridi: "What?" Pit: "The squeaky wheel gets the worm!" Viridi: "Nope. Stop."
I loved the anime style animation someone made for that dialogue. If anyone wants to find it, look for "AmazingArtistYellow", and look for a video of theirs called "Quote Battle".
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No insight as to who he is, but he's still my favorite character in the whole game, solely because of that dialogue. I can't really describe what it is, just the pure power of it. Dividing the two steads so that only one can leave alive. "This is no gift." Just how unyielding he is, how weathered and strong a soul, that this is the only way it can end for an old warrior. The finality of it all is my favorite moment in the game.
Wow. After 3 years of having this game, I only now just realized what "Phos" and "Lux" mean in different languages Lux = Light in Latin Phos (fos) = Light in Greek Considering they're are literally pulling the LIGHTNING chariot, i don't know how I couldn't have gotten that before...
i also forgot to mention, if you will notice, the chariot master had a piece of cloth around his legs. i think that represents the nemean lion fur that heracles wears. also, when heracles accidentally kills his master chiron, he goes to mount olympus riding atop his lion skin, on a fire, much like the chariot master is made of fire, but the fire also happens to be going up toward the heavens, or in mythology's case, mount olympus. the only problem with this theory, is that heracles became immortal
On a more serious note, I have a theory as to who the Chariot Master is. First, let's go over what we know: he went by many names; he had a master whom he would do anything for; he had comrades in arms whom he says have returned to dust; his master died; he has three vehicles of the gods; and it almost seems like he let Pit win. Out of all those things I just listed, what sounds like what would describe Pit? He looks similar to Cupid in Of Myths and Monsters, he was also called Icarus in his first adventure, and his official name is Pit. Playing through this game, you can see that he not only loves and believes the best in Lady Palutena, but he also seems to be willing to do *anything* for her, even seeming to forgive her moments where he nearly DIES. His soldiers, the Centurians,-- whom Pit was very against being dragged into his fight with the Aurum-- seem to be more like brothers rather than soldiers to Pit. They also are turned to stone in his first adventure. As anyone knows, with a statue, all you need is enough time, and they'll be dust. Pit also really likes using the vehicles of the gods, and if he could, he would probably keep them somewhere. And for everyone who doesn't know, Nintendo has a tendency to bring time travel into their games and with something like the Lightning Chariot going through space, time travel could definitely be possible. Now to get to the actual theory: the Chariot Master is a possible future outcome of who Pit could have become. I already made connections to the two characters, now I will elaborate on the theory itself. I say "possible outcome" because of the events after retrieving the Lightning Chariot. After defeating the Chaos Kin at the end of Chapter 20, he uses a scorpion-like tail and rips Palutena's soul out to later consume it. This Chariot Master most likely met with the terrible fate of failing to save her soul in time. Now for the holes in this theory: "If the Chariot master was Pit, how did he get the Chariot?" Who's to say that there was a Chariot Master during the first Pit's time around. "If this theory was proven true, then the Chariot Master's line of 'I have no regrets' makes no sense since he should regret not saving his master in the first place." Actually, it still does. Not only does he leave his now decayed shell, knowing his successor was strong, but he also got to see how strong his time-remnant self truly is, renewing his confidence that his future could be prevented from becoming Pit's. This would explain why the tower was so tall, its design, and why Viridi couldn't land Pit closer to the top. At some point, the Chariot Master had "mastered" something similar to what Pyhron used to keep Palutena from pulling Pit out of the battle, but this interference, rather than stopping a god from pulling anything out of there, prevents any god-like force from sending in any living organism or divine being from being sent to the top. He wanted to see if Pit could endure his trial. But hey, it's just a theory, a GAME THEORY!!! Thanks for reading! So what do you think? Do you think it's possible, or is there anything else I'm missing?
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Chuggaa's theory holds tons of weight to it. In addition to what Chuggaa stated, Palutena mentioned the "lifespan of the gods" earlier in the game. Not to mention that beings that live for thousands of years would seem immortal to people who are lucky to live anywhere close to 100 years. Also, there's the fact that Kid Icarus has traditional Greek gods like Poseidon an Hades as well as invented gods such Virdi: Goddess of Nature, yet Greek mythology had a Goddess of Nature, Mother Geae, who was born before the gods were.
Yes, that's what the word means. But unless I am mistaken, Gaea was the titan that ruled over nature before the rise of Zeus. Please do correct me if I am wrong about Gaea's role, I am more familiar with the gods than I am the titans.
@@sawyerpatton2932 Many years later by Gaia is not a titan, she is the mother of titans but she is not one. She is a primordial entity. You probably already knew this by then.
Just from my own admittedly rusty memory, it seems the Chariot Master is more a reference to Apollo. The Lightning Chariot itself seems to be a reference to the chariot of fire that Apollo would drive through the sky, and was the Greek Myth of how the sun moved across the sky, even going so far as to blame the shorter hours of daylight during some seasons on Apollo's sleeping habits. In addition to being the god of the sun and prophecy, he was also seen as the god of plague, with a direct involvement in the Trojan war, firing arrows inflicted with the plague on his enemies, which could be a reference to the Chariot Master's warrior lineage. However, his connection to Zeus, and how the major Greek pantheon (with the exception of Hades and Posiden) seem to be largely absent could still be transferred to Apollo, as he too was a son of Zeus. (There are few Greek gods or legends that don't have a direct line to Zeus in that way.) Another note, the Lightning Chariot Base could also be seen as an analogue for Olympus. While there is indeed a physical Mount Olympus, the actual seat of the gods was depicted as a place removed from the physical realm, and had all the facilities needed to entertain the gods. It would not be at all out of the realm of possibility that there would be some godly equivalent of a chariot race track at Olympus, and the tower itself could be seen as the mountain needed to climb to get to the seat of the gods.
That depends on how the gods function in Kid Icarus. I've seen a lot of interpretations of gods where the gods demand worship not because they're egotistical, but rather because they require the worship to survive, and others where simply being remembered in order to exist. If that were the case, it's possible for the gods to have just wasted away as they got forgotten. Then again, the Greek gods were very human in nature. They were ageless, yes, but aside from that, they could be wounded, poisoned, get sick, etc. It's very possible the gods could've died off due to war, sabotage, or the like. Heck, Hades might have had a hand in that even.
Cody Ward it is more likley to be perseus as he was technically came back from the dead when he went to the underworld and is a genral and a master of using peguses and chariots while apollo is not a god known for fighting only his diciples at troy were so it would not suite the chariot master being him as he is not as higned on grudges as apollo and magnus must be achellis as he is the greatest human warrior like magnus is described as in chapter two. Another reason why he is proberly perseus is that he has a death while he is happy about passing his chariot to his son like how he passes it to pit in the scene after the battle and perseus did have a patron god of nike which cou;d show his faliure to his master as nike is the goddes of victory
its actually easier for the chariot master to be jason seeing as jason had many friends on the argo that did die and his master was chiron, put that all together and it fits with the chariot master
Personally, and as stretched as it sounds, the Chariot Master could have been Damocles, considering he was considered a great leader and warrior, all of his Commanders died under his hands, led a vast army, rose from the dead(considering CM has no face), revived and served under Nemesis, wears celestial/ghostly armour in different areas, in actual history served under an Emperor who died alongside him in battle, and was quite distant from everyone.
Two questions: 1. Does the tower remind anyone else of the Organization's castle from Kingdom Hearts? 2. Does anyone think Alan Oppenheimer (The Chariot Master) would make a good replacement for Leonard Nimoy as Master Xehanort?
Agreed on both counts, but how can you ask about Leonard Nimoy's replacement in a comment from 4 months back when he passed away last week? I'm on mobile, so I can't tell if this was edited recently.
Amane Mizuhashi He was probably just speculating in case Nimoy didn't return to reprise the role. I mean, they once had Christopher Lee voicing Ansem, but he hasn't it recently.
Amane Mizuhashi I knew that it was unlikely that Mr. Nimoy would still be here by the time KHIII came out, that's why I made that proposal. Two other voice actors who I think are worthy are Frank Welker and Robert Englund. Welker could handle him the way he handled Megatron in TF Prime and Englund would just have to do a more sophisticated version of his Freddy voice, which I'm confident he can since he was classically trained.
The Chariot Master is probably my favorite minor character in this game. His past is shrouded in mystery and it begs to have an explanation. Plus he sounds so valiant when he talks.
I personally believe that the Chariot Master was an a god who was Hades' Underling . However, Hades left him as he wasn't good enough for the Underworld Army or something like that. Hades wanted the Lighting Chariot to get revenge on him. Hades was his master who he lost. The Chariot Master's tower was a base for the Underworld forces, which would explain why stuff in the tower doesn't affect them. When he lost his master, Hades, he says he wants to 'erase him from existence'. Hades doesn't realize who he is anymore.
I really am enjoying this series as well, and I appreciate all the work that went into it. I also like that you shared your theory about the Chariot Master, it's really cool how much you know about mythology. :)
i agree with Emile's theory, only half though. I do think that the Chariot Master is referencing Heracles, but only HALF of him, I think that both Magnus and the Chariot master both represent Heracles as sort of a double character reference.
Pyrrhon! duh! He needs to be saved just like Palutena, but has no forces to call his own. That's where I come in! Vile Aurum, devourers of worlds! Prepare to be burned in the name of the Sun! *strikes pose*
I think that the Chariot Master is Patroclus, Achilles' servant in the Iliad. Achilles had these two horses that only Patroclus was able to control, and just about all that the Chariot Master says lines up with the story of Patroclus, except for the fact that his master Achilles actually outlived him, if only by a bit.
I actually feel the Chariot Master being Heracles (or Chiron as other comments have mentioned) does very much make sense in the context of mythology. I think it's entirely possible that Kid Icarus: Uprising takes place after the Fall of Zeus. Zeus may not be "dead" so to speak, but is just.. indisposed. Tucked away somewhere as punishment after his fall, much like his father Cronus and grandfather Ouranus before him. This idea is further supported by the fact that while we see no mention of Zeus in the entire game, we do see both his brothers. Poseidon helps Palutena and Pit by splitting the sea to grant them access to fight Thanatos, and of course Hades is the main villain. But Poseidon seems to have no life in him, and Hades is completely unhinged. It's possible that while they weren't punished themselves, the fall of their brother's empire has dealt significant damage to their psyches. This could also account for why the series has "made up" gods, as it hasn't been uncommon for the Greeks to have had multiple gods to represent the same idea with Helios, Apollo and Phaethon all being gods that represent the sun, Selene and Artemis both representing the moon, Persephone being basically a clone of Demeter until she got freaky with Hades... It's possible Palutena and Viridi are not stand-ins for Athena and Gaea... but their descendants. Newer gods to take the mantles after the older ones had "fallen".
+Gravity Greek Geek (G3) nah, movie Percy had Pit's voice after he went through puberty and lost his entire personality. Book Percy probably would have Antony del Rio's normal voice tho
The chariot master's having a mentor or master actually makes perfect sense, because Heracles was trained by a centaur named Chiron, ...whom he later killed, mistaking him for a wild, savage centaur.
Just like how we got PBG on the Link is Dead theory, we could get Chugga on a K.I theory, even if it would result in it becoming extremely controversial.
PokemonTrainer77 It wouldn't be that far of a stretch since Emile has actually referenced Game Theory at one point and they have a 2nd-degree connection through Jirard the Completionist. Jirard guest-starred in Emile's Pikmin 3 LP on a Mission, and both MatPat and Jirard have shared a couple of collabs. So, it's not out of the question that Emile might be a guest on Game Theory for a video on Kid Icarus, or maybe Xenoblade Chronicles.
My theory: The Chariot Master was Heracles, and the "loss of his master" was when Heracles accidentally poisoned his master Chiron with an arrow with the arrowhead dipped in poisonous Hydra tracks.
Chugga i love this series. if i have any youtube videos i watch, i watch yours first. no matter the video i watch it because i just love all of your LPs and i thing they are great. Keep up the good work
I believe the Chariot master is actually Thor. One, Thor is very Offensive based, to take that little quip for him/Hades. two, Thor is the Lightning god of the Norse pantheon, he HAS a magic chariot pulled by two goats in mythology, his father, Odin is also his Master, his outfit is very Norse looking by popular standards, and he has thousands of comrades in the warrior that were brought to Valhalla after they died. plus, his note to Viridi where he dodged the question that he was a god or not? TOTALLY A GOD! what do you guys and gals think of my theory?
Thor is from NORSE mythology. Kid Icarus is based on GREEK (and Roman) mythology. Yes, the three sacred treasures are Japanese, but the game was made by Japan.
I also did state that he was from Norse, and could have just been a nod to the mythos in general. it is MOSTLY Greek mythology, but if it was Zeus, or Hercules, that wouldn't be bad, just that my theory was wrong. I thank you for your input though. :)
I have to say, it really is nice to see Virity now trying to help and it took only seeing Pulitaina turning evil and pit being in danger. Chugga, I am enjoying this and hope you continue ur work and get better and better!
Here’s a tidbit corroborating Emile’s theory from several years after this has ended. Heracles did in fact have a master. He sold himself into slavery as penance for killing the prince of a land that falsely accused him of stealing their cattle, his master being the queen of the Amazons at the time, which if I remember was Hippolyta.
I believe it's written in greek mythology that Heracles's master was Chiron, a centaur. If so, that could be where the connection to horses with the Lightning Chariot comes in.
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The part that throws all of this into a form of whack on the identity of the chariot master is his clothing, mannerisms, and the fact his name is never spoken. He could be a number of gods. He could be a fallen Apollo who Pyron defeated in battle to steal his powers, like he was trying to do with the Aurum. He could be Thor or Heracles. He might even be a titan who followed Chronos before the reckoning of the other gods. I don't have an idea myself, but I do have an idea on why he can't explain his godliness and seems to burn away after being defeated. It's been referenced a lot in pop culture, mostly pulling from the recent Clash of the Titans, but it's stated that if a god loses all of his followers and is not worshipped, he stops being a god. It's fully reasonable that The Chariot Master is a god of old who the people have abandoned, and was sustained only by the wishes of his "master" to continue driving the chariot. It's only speculation, of course.
1:17 LMAO that cracked me up so much. The fact that you're not commentating while the people are talking and all of a sudden you let out that yell when you fall. LOL
Interesting theory, similar to mine. I believe Heracles was used as inspiration twice, Magnus represents Heracles when he is alive, and the Chariot Master represents him in death, the flames instead of an actual body being Heracles's immortal half left after his funeral pyre
Couple things that back up your Heracles theory is that Heracles was immortalized in the skies as a constellation, and the lightning chariot travels across the universe, through the cosmos, hence the connection there. Also, in that image of the Chariot Master, you could see he was wearing a hide of some form, and Heracles wore, in the myths, the impenetrable hide of the Nemean Lion. I agree with your theory, chugga.
I absolutely love this series, although some of the mythology conflicts with the stuff I've learned from reading Percy Jackson. Fantastic book series, by the way. I highly recommend you check it out.
Here's a theory: like how Link's trainer in twilight princess is Link of Majora's mask, the Chariot Master is a dead pit traveled back in time… re-dead? Fallen? Idk
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In reference to Chugga's theory at the end: I know that he wasn't Heracles' master, but, for some reason, I was thinking of Philoctetes as being the "master" in question
The can can is featured in An opera by Offenbach which is based on Orpheus in the Underworld. Which is about a Greek tragedy involving a man going to the underworld to recover his lost love and encountering the monsters of hades. A fitting Easter egg and chugga didn’t even realise it!
Well, we know he fought in "wars of the gods" and we know he considered the loss of his master a "war wound", I would guess he eventually died in a war and Pyrrhon just claimed the title after his death without any confrontation between the two. Ultimately it's all just speculation though, he might as well be an original character for all we know.
I appreciate all the time you put into the game. I wasn't familiar with the series and am really enjoying watching you play it. I must admit though I found myself enjoying your play through of Mother 3 far more.
1:32 I can feel your pain, Emile. I've fallen off a few times there. Was the cause of a finish or two. But hey, it's a neat chapter with a neat boss, so it's all good.
"This area's so huge, we even had a loading screen back there" was one of the fourth wall breaking quotes that got mentioned in WatchMojo's Top 10 list of fourth wall breaks in video games video.
No. They knock it down then punch it, then break it and smash it to smitheriens.
MaxwellMegaGamer 85
What fourth wall?
fuck watchmojo
@@iceicicle3046 Why not?
"A random loading screen in the middle of a city? What is this, ORAS?" -Chugga during his B/W let's play
I completely agree regarding Palutena's behavior.
Unfortunately, the biggest problem is that Pit kind of enables her to do that. He doesn't ever seem to overly object and just accepts whatever she does. He essentially just lets her get away with treating him like that. So, in a sense, Viridi is right, Pit is kind of "an insufferable suck-up".
It'd probably be more difficult to find any servants who give their deity superior any backtalk. I doubt Arlon talks back to Viridi.
I feel like even if pit wasn't always an suck up he would still never say no to palutena because 1. She is a god and 2. Without palutena (or in this case viridi) it would be very difficult for pit to be a effective fighter
so basically Pit is a Yes man
Christians be like:
Honestly, i've always thought that Palutena's behavior is more to show how much confidence she has in Pit, she believes in him and trusts him to be able to succeed in the face of adversity
Pit talking about the loading finally made me accept the truth in Chuggaa saying that, yeah, there really is absolutely no 4th wall here
Never has been
I actually think there's another person from Greek mythology that could fit better than Hercules. That one is Jason, Captain of the Argo, with his comrades the Argonauts, and having been trained and raised by his teacher/master, Chiron. Of all the Greek Heroes, he's the one who fits the most as a great warrior who lost everything.
Considering his fate after betraying Medea, I would say that lost everything is almost an understatement.
He might also be a reference to Achilles. I dunno, something about his smokey ethereal appearance makes me think of him.
He also appears to have the golden fleece in his art.
You talk about having no real connection to the Chariot Master's master, but what about Chiron? Chiron trained Heracles, along with many other heroes, and ended up dying, due to Heracles accidentally shooting him with a poisoned arrow. Yes, he was immortal, but he renounced his immortality, and died in exchange for Prometheus' freedom. There's your dead master, and it fits with your theory.
mamamiea Dr Mario is mad
That's true
but like the chariot master's master, did Chiron die as well?
Jeree Weaver He died in exchange for Prometheus' freedom, so yes
Dr. Yoshi are you Greek because I am and I am surprised you know that much about Greek mythology
Viridi: "I always forget how big clubs are."
Pit: "But they're not as heavy as they look!"
Viridi: "Bigger isn't always better, you know."
Pit: "Small things please small minds!"
Viridi: "The best things come in small packages!"
Pit: "So do small potatoes!"
Viridi: "Great oaks from little acorns grow!"
Pit: "Talk softly and carry a big stick!"
Viridi: "The bigger they are, the harder they fall!"
Pit: "I'm... large and in charge?"
Viridi: "You're too big for your britches!"
Pit: "A bird in the hand will keep the doctor away?"
Viridi: "What?"
Pit: "The squeaky wheel gets the worm!"
Viridi: "Nope. Stop."
Please no
I loved the anime style animation someone made for that dialogue. If anyone wants to find it, look for "AmazingArtistYellow", and look for a video of theirs called "Quote Battle".
that's what she said
Viridi: "now we must save palutena!"
*leaves Lux & Phos behind*
She didn't take the zappy unicorns :(
phosphora probably got them like in the next chapter after the lightning chariot segment
@@quagsire8450 fun fact: dark pit's palutena's guidance confirms that vridi has both dark pit and the chariot
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I played this at intensity 6.5 and kept him alive during his dialogue. The lightning chariot is a honourable boss. Like Arlon, he's unique
10:10 HADES, WE NEED TO HAVE A TALK ABOUT JUMPSCARES IN NON HORROR GAMES!
f*ck ornes
Ornes are extremely annoying!
+Ethan Edwards I thought you liked surprises Pitty
I hate Ornes. I fucking hate them!
+nicholas rhodes Not when that surprise tries to kill you, Hades!
No insight as to who he is, but he's still my favorite character in the whole game, solely because of that dialogue. I can't really describe what it is, just the pure power of it. Dividing the two steads so that only one can leave alive. "This is no gift." Just how unyielding he is, how weathered and strong a soul, that this is the only way it can end for an old warrior. The finality of it all is my favorite moment in the game.
Wow. After 3 years of having this game, I only now just realized what "Phos" and "Lux" mean in different languages
Lux = Light in Latin
Phos (fos) = Light in Greek
Considering they're are literally pulling the LIGHTNING chariot, i don't know how I couldn't have gotten that before...
The Can-Can is from an opera, Chugga. 'Orpheus in the Underworld' - Offenbach. You were right both ways. :D
you'd think he'd find about it when reading up on Greek myth
i also forgot to mention, if you will notice, the chariot master had a piece of cloth around his legs. i think that represents the nemean lion fur that heracles wears. also, when heracles accidentally kills his master chiron, he goes to mount olympus riding atop his lion skin, on a fire, much like the chariot master is made of fire, but the fire also happens to be going up toward the heavens, or in mythology's case, mount olympus. the only problem with this theory, is that heracles became immortal
Although I've never played the series I still understood the Pigmask army reference.
On a more serious note, I have a theory as to who the Chariot Master is. First, let's go over what we know: he went by many names; he had a master whom he would do anything for; he had comrades in arms whom he says have returned to dust; his master died; he has three vehicles of the gods; and it almost seems like he let Pit win. Out of all those things I just listed, what sounds like what would describe Pit? He looks similar to Cupid in Of Myths and Monsters, he was also called Icarus in his first adventure, and his official name is Pit. Playing through this game, you can see that he not only loves and believes the best in Lady Palutena, but he also seems to be willing to do *anything* for her, even seeming to forgive her moments where he nearly DIES. His soldiers, the Centurians,-- whom Pit was very against being dragged into his fight with the Aurum-- seem to be more like brothers rather than soldiers to Pit. They also are turned to stone in his first adventure. As anyone knows, with a statue, all you need is enough time, and they'll be dust. Pit also really likes using the vehicles of the gods, and if he could, he would probably keep them somewhere. And for everyone who doesn't know, Nintendo has a tendency to bring time travel into their games and with something like the Lightning Chariot going through space, time travel could definitely be possible. Now to get to the actual theory: the Chariot Master is a possible future outcome of who Pit could have become. I already made connections to the two characters, now I will elaborate on the theory itself. I say "possible outcome" because of the events after retrieving the Lightning Chariot. After defeating the Chaos Kin at the end of Chapter 20, he uses a scorpion-like tail and rips Palutena's soul out to later consume it. This Chariot Master most likely met with the terrible fate of failing to save her soul in time. Now for the holes in this theory: "If the Chariot master was Pit, how did he get the Chariot?" Who's to say that there was a Chariot Master during the first Pit's time around. "If this theory was proven true, then the Chariot Master's line of 'I have no regrets' makes no sense since he should regret not saving his master in the first place." Actually, it still does. Not only does he leave his now decayed shell, knowing his successor was strong, but he also got to see how strong his time-remnant self truly is, renewing his confidence that his future could be prevented from becoming Pit's. This would explain why the tower was so tall, its design, and why Viridi couldn't land Pit closer to the top. At some point, the Chariot Master had "mastered" something similar to what Pyhron used to keep Palutena from pulling Pit out of the battle, but this interference, rather than stopping a god from pulling anything out of there, prevents any god-like force from sending in any living organism or divine being from being sent to the top. He wanted to see if Pit could endure his trial. But hey, it's just a theory, a GAME THEORY!!! Thanks for reading! So what do you think? Do you think it's possible, or is there anything else I'm missing?
+Sega360 Holy sweet mother of Naga!
Sega360 how long did it take to type all of that
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A few minutes
Interesting theory, it would make it very interesting to have it be pit's past life in a sense.
Sounds a lot like the Hero's Shade
...MAYBE PIT AND LINK ARE THE SAME PERSON AFTER ALL
Quote "No one dies in Nintendo" sure...
+Mr.Fantastic375 or fire emblem or Zelda
+Mr.Fantastic375 heck even in Pokemon characters die
+Mr.Fantastic375 marrowack
Possibly Gary's ratticate
And it is possible that after the end of the celebrity event thing giovani actually committed suicide
+my little kittycorn *celebi
+Mr.Fantastic375 oh and then there are the ones that are animae related like Jessie's mom
Chuggaa's theory holds tons of weight to it. In addition to what Chuggaa stated, Palutena mentioned the "lifespan of the gods" earlier in the game. Not to mention that beings that live for thousands of years would seem immortal to people who are lucky to live anywhere close to 100 years. Also, there's the fact that Kid Icarus has traditional Greek gods like Poseidon an Hades as well as invented gods such Virdi: Goddess of Nature, yet Greek mythology had a Goddess of Nature, Mother Geae, who was born before the gods were.
Gaea is earth not nature
Yes, that's what the word means. But unless I am mistaken, Gaea was the titan that ruled over nature before the rise of Zeus. Please do correct me if I am wrong about Gaea's role, I am more familiar with the gods than I am the titans.
@@sawyerpatton2932 Many years later by Gaia is not a titan, she is the mother of titans but she is not one. She is a primordial entity.
You probably already knew this by then.
Just from my own admittedly rusty memory, it seems the Chariot Master is more a reference to Apollo. The Lightning Chariot itself seems to be a reference to the chariot of fire that Apollo would drive through the sky, and was the Greek Myth of how the sun moved across the sky, even going so far as to blame the shorter hours of daylight during some seasons on Apollo's sleeping habits. In addition to being the god of the sun and prophecy, he was also seen as the god of plague, with a direct involvement in the Trojan war, firing arrows inflicted with the plague on his enemies, which could be a reference to the Chariot Master's warrior lineage. However, his connection to Zeus, and how the major Greek pantheon (with the exception of Hades and Posiden) seem to be largely absent could still be transferred to Apollo, as he too was a son of Zeus. (There are few Greek gods or legends that don't have a direct line to Zeus in that way.)
Another note, the Lightning Chariot Base could also be seen as an analogue for Olympus. While there is indeed a physical Mount Olympus, the actual seat of the gods was depicted as a place removed from the physical realm, and had all the facilities needed to entertain the gods. It would not be at all out of the realm of possibility that there would be some godly equivalent of a chariot race track at Olympus, and the tower itself could be seen as the mountain needed to climb to get to the seat of the gods.
I totally agree with you on the chariot master being Apollo. I fits more than anyone else.
It fits, I mean
It's possible. But Apollo is a god so wouldn't he be immortal?
That depends on how the gods function in Kid Icarus. I've seen a lot of interpretations of gods where the gods demand worship not because they're egotistical, but rather because they require the worship to survive, and others where simply being remembered in order to exist. If that were the case, it's possible for the gods to have just wasted away as they got forgotten.
Then again, the Greek gods were very human in nature. They were ageless, yes, but aside from that, they could be wounded, poisoned, get sick, etc. It's very possible the gods could've died off due to war, sabotage, or the like. Heck, Hades might have had a hand in that even.
Cody Ward it is more likley to be perseus as he was technically came back from the dead when he went to the underworld and is a genral and a master of using peguses and chariots while apollo is not a god known for fighting only his diciples at troy were so it would not suite the chariot master being him as he is not as higned on grudges as apollo and magnus must be achellis as he is the greatest human warrior like magnus is described as in chapter two. Another reason why he is proberly perseus is that he has a death while he is happy about passing his chariot to his son like how he passes it to pit in the scene after the battle and perseus did have a patron god of nike which cou;d show his faliure to his master as nike is the goddes of victory
THAT'S JUST YOUR THEORY; YOUR GAME THEORY! YOUR WELCOME FOR WATCHING!
MatPat should've done a Game Theory on the Chariot Master… I personally think he has some connection to the Norse Gods like Thor instead.
Amane Mizuhashi That's Gaijin Goombah's field.
chongxxx o///o Oh ok, thanks.
Amane Mizuhashi wouldnt make sense if he was thor as that has no connection to greek gods which kid icurus is based on
MonoMcNose...for some reason makes me think of BaldyMcNosehair.
Firestar1992 XD awesome
Firestar1992 you mean from sonic colours?
XD YEAH
+Firestar1992 MonoMikNose
XD
“It’s like watching a roller-skating chicken”
*-hades 2012*
You said the loss of his master was weird, but you've killed the god of disaster, death, and lightning so its not impossible that Zeus died
You know, the Chariot master could also be Perseus, also a son of Zeus. Leaving the possibility of magnus being Hercules.
Did you know that aside from being brothers, Perseus is also His distant grandfather
its actually easier for the chariot master to be jason seeing as jason had many friends on the argo that did die and his master was chiron, put that all together and it fits with the chariot master
Personally, and as stretched as it sounds, the Chariot Master could have been Damocles, considering he was considered a great leader and warrior, all of his Commanders died under his hands, led a vast army, rose from the dead(considering CM has no face), revived and served under Nemesis, wears celestial/ghostly armour in different areas, in actual history served under an Emperor who died alongside him in battle, and was quite distant from everyone.
felix selwood jason wouldnt fit as he is known for being a son of zeus without powers
@@dylanince2074 Jason is not the son of Zeus. His father was Aeson, who was the king of Iolcus
Two questions:
1. Does the tower remind anyone else of the Organization's castle from Kingdom Hearts?
2. Does anyone think Alan Oppenheimer (The Chariot Master) would make a good replacement for Leonard Nimoy as Master Xehanort?
Yes to both questions.
Yes aaaand Yes :D
Agreed on both counts, but how can you ask about Leonard Nimoy's replacement in a comment from 4 months back when he passed away last week? I'm on mobile, so I can't tell if this was edited recently.
Amane Mizuhashi He was probably just speculating in case Nimoy didn't return to reprise the role.
I mean, they once had Christopher Lee voicing Ansem, but he hasn't it recently.
Amane Mizuhashi
I knew that it was unlikely that Mr. Nimoy would still be here by the time KHIII came out, that's why I made that proposal. Two other voice actors who I think are worthy are Frank Welker and Robert Englund. Welker could handle him the way he handled Megatron in TF Prime and Englund would just have to do a more sophisticated version of his Freddy voice, which I'm confident he can since he was classically trained.
"Okay" "Okay" "Okay" God Chugga you're making a lot of girls cry here (Yep just referenced John Green for a video game commentator).
*murders a dragon head*
THIS IS MY SPECIAL ME TIIIIME
I think pits gonna end up using PK Love on Hades if the pigmasks are in this.
Final “Are we there yet” moment at 2:09 and 9:35.
The real truth at 11:08.
PRAISE THE CRYSTAL UNICORNS AND THEIR LASERS!
I love Phos and Lux. .3.
The Chariot Master is probably my favorite minor character in this game. His past is shrouded in mystery and it begs to have an explanation. Plus he sounds so valiant when he talks.
I personally believe that the Chariot Master was an a god who was Hades' Underling . However, Hades left him as he wasn't good enough for the Underworld Army or something like that. Hades wanted the Lighting Chariot to get revenge on him. Hades was his master who he lost. The Chariot Master's tower was a base for the Underworld forces, which would explain why stuff in the tower doesn't affect them.
When he lost his master, Hades, he says he wants to 'erase him from existence'. Hades doesn't realize who he is anymore.
I really am enjoying this series as well, and I appreciate all the work that went into it. I also like that you shared your theory about the Chariot Master, it's really cool how much you know about mythology. :)
i agree with Emile's theory, only half though. I do think that the Chariot Master is referencing Heracles, but only HALF of him, I think that both Magnus and the Chariot master both represent Heracles as sort of a double character reference.
If you were an angel in this game, which goddess would you work for Palutena or Viridi?
((That's a toughie, I like 'em both on a personal level XD))
Pyrrhon! duh!
He needs to be saved just like Palutena, but has no forces to call his own.
That's where I come in!
Vile Aurum, devourers of worlds!
Prepare to be burned in the name of the Sun!
*strikes pose*
Praise the sun
Viridi probably
Lily Trent dark pit?
I think that the Chariot Master is Patroclus, Achilles' servant in the Iliad. Achilles had these two horses that only Patroclus was able to control, and just about all that the Chariot Master says lines up with the story of Patroclus, except for the fact that his master Achilles actually outlived him, if only by a bit.
My honest opinion is that you make amazing videos. I check about twice a day for new kid Icarus videos. I love this series. Good job and keep it up.
chuggaa has finally used a smart bomb without being caught in the explosion himself!
Is this real?
I actually feel the Chariot Master being Heracles (or Chiron as other comments have mentioned) does very much make sense in the context of mythology. I think it's entirely possible that Kid Icarus: Uprising takes place after the Fall of Zeus. Zeus may not be "dead" so to speak, but is just.. indisposed. Tucked away somewhere as punishment after his fall, much like his father Cronus and grandfather Ouranus before him.
This idea is further supported by the fact that while we see no mention of Zeus in the entire game, we do see both his brothers. Poseidon helps Palutena and Pit by splitting the sea to grant them access to fight Thanatos, and of course Hades is the main villain. But Poseidon seems to have no life in him, and Hades is completely unhinged. It's possible that while they weren't punished themselves, the fall of their brother's empire has dealt significant damage to their psyches.
This could also account for why the series has "made up" gods, as it hasn't been uncommon for the Greeks to have had multiple gods to represent the same idea with Helios, Apollo and Phaethon all being gods that represent the sun, Selene and Artemis both representing the moon, Persephone being basically a clone of Demeter until she got freaky with Hades... It's possible Palutena and Viridi are not stand-ins for Athena and Gaea... but their descendants. Newer gods to take the mantles after the older ones had "fallen".
TBH I theorize that the voice of Chiron from PJO is the Chariot Master...
Also Percy has Pit's voice
And Annabeth has Viridi's voice
Not really something you can theorize... Considering that it's not the same actor for any of them.
+siya4ful ah, the movies stunk.
+Gravity Greek Geek (G3) it really did.
+Gravity Greek Geek (G3) nah, movie Percy had Pit's voice after he went through puberty and lost his entire personality. Book Percy probably would have Antony del Rio's normal voice tho
The chariot master's having a mentor or master actually makes perfect sense, because Heracles was trained by a centaur named Chiron, ...whom he later killed, mistaking him for a wild, savage centaur.
Plot twist! Chugga is Game Theory!
We need to see him on Kid Icarus based theory.
+PokemonTrainer77 YASSSS
Just like how we got PBG on the Link is Dead theory, we could get Chugga on a K.I theory, even if it would result in it becoming extremely controversial.
PokemonTrainer77
It wouldn't be that far of a stretch since Emile has actually referenced Game Theory at one point and they have a 2nd-degree connection through Jirard the Completionist. Jirard guest-starred in Emile's Pikmin 3 LP on a Mission, and both MatPat and Jirard have shared a couple of collabs. So, it's not out of the question that Emile might be a guest on Game Theory for a video on Kid Icarus, or maybe Xenoblade Chronicles.
The Green Dragon 53 And that GG had featured Chugga in his Okami video,and I remember MatPat referencing Chugga in one of his earlier videos.
"I confused an opera with a cancan!" Chugga, I love you.
My theory: The Chariot
Master was Heracles, and the "loss of his master" was when Heracles accidentally poisoned his master Chiron with an arrow with the arrowhead dipped in poisonous Hydra tracks.
Chugga i love this series. if i have any youtube videos i watch, i watch yours first. no matter the video i watch it because i just love all of your LPs and i thing they are great. Keep up the good work
I believe the Chariot master is actually Thor. One, Thor is very Offensive based, to take that little quip for him/Hades. two, Thor is the Lightning god of the Norse pantheon, he HAS a magic chariot pulled by two goats in mythology, his father, Odin is also his Master, his outfit is very Norse looking by popular standards, and he has thousands of comrades in the warrior that were brought to Valhalla after they died. plus, his note to Viridi where he dodged the question that he was a god or not? TOTALLY A GOD! what do you guys and gals think of my theory?
Thor is from NORSE mythology. Kid Icarus is based on GREEK (and Roman) mythology. Yes, the three sacred treasures are Japanese, but the game was made by Japan.
I understand that, and i see where your coming from. its just my theory of it. if you dont believe its true, i dont blame you. just my opinion is all.
I also did state that he was from Norse, and could have just been a nod to the mythos in general. it is MOSTLY Greek mythology, but if it was Zeus, or Hercules, that wouldn't be bad, just that my theory was wrong.
I thank you for your input though. :)
I have to say, it really is nice to see Virity now trying to help and it took only seeing Pulitaina turning evil and pit being in danger. Chugga, I am enjoying this and hope you continue ur work and get better and better!
I want a chariot pulled by Kirin...
Have it pulled by a Kirin and a oroshi Kirin
What has two short thick appendages and loves small heated bodies of water with minerals
CHARIOT MASTER NOOOOOO
Does anyone else sometimes come watch old Chugga lets plays and enjoy just passing the time while watching or falling asleep to them?
Me ✋
Here’s a tidbit corroborating Emile’s theory from several years after this has ended. Heracles did in fact have a master. He sold himself into slavery as penance for killing the prince of a land that falsely accused him of stealing their cattle, his master being the queen of the Amazons at the time, which if I remember was Hippolyta.
I believe it's written in greek mythology that Heracles's master was Chiron, a centaur. If so, that could be where the connection to horses with the Lightning Chariot comes in.
Who voices the chariot master
It's Alan Oppenheimer who also voiced Lord Dyntos in the game.
I’m sorry chugga but pits line of “every dweeb has his day” is one of the best comebacks I’ve ever heard
Hey kids! Why don't you come on by McDonalds and see our new Happy Meal Meal Toy! It is a monomicnosehair! I'm sure none of you know what that is so what the heck
It could be a Monoeye with nose hairs and a Ronald McRegan-I MEAN McDonald face.
The part that throws all of this into a form of whack on the identity of the chariot master is his clothing, mannerisms, and the fact his name is never spoken. He could be a number of gods. He could be a fallen Apollo who Pyron defeated in battle to steal his powers, like he was trying to do with the Aurum. He could be Thor or Heracles. He might even be a titan who followed Chronos before the reckoning of the other gods. I don't have an idea myself, but I do have an idea on why he can't explain his godliness and seems to burn away after being defeated. It's been referenced a lot in pop culture, mostly pulling from the recent Clash of the Titans, but it's stated that if a god loses all of his followers and is not worshipped, he stops being a god. It's fully reasonable that The Chariot Master is a god of old who the people have abandoned, and was sustained only by the wishes of his "master" to continue driving the chariot. It's only speculation, of course.
Chariot BOI could be Perseus!
I love how it only took the chariot master one chapter to make me love his character, something pesidon, phosphora, or thanatos could never do
Heraclese's master was Chiron the centaur not Zeus. And He died when Heraclese was poisned and went on a rampage.
pretty sure you are thinking of Jason. At least I think his name is Jason.
***** He taught both Jason and heraclese.
***** it definatley jason, chiron died and i think all the argonauts died on jasons quest to get the golden fleece
felix selwood I knew it was Jason! Thanks or the clarification.
***** your very welcome, im a bit of a greek myth nerd, now its actually useful
1:17 LMAO that cracked me up so much. The fact that you're not commentating while the people are talking and all of a sudden you let out that yell when you fall. LOL
It's RonaldMcDonald's long lost brother
Lol
We love you chugga,good luck trying to get 1mil. Subs. Your almost there . Your awesome and I support you 100% good luck
the 4th wall have been broken
It Was Broken 2 Hours Ago. I Don't Think It Got Enough Time To Fix.
Yeah, the fourth wall breaks so often that I don't think it's worth it to fix it. What's the worst that could happen?
Interesting theory, similar to mine. I believe Heracles was used as inspiration twice, Magnus represents Heracles when he is alive, and the Chariot Master represents him in death, the flames instead of an actual body being Heracles's immortal half left after his funeral pyre
What if the Chariot Master is Zeus? It makes sense if you think about it
You're right, because posieden is in there
Kyle Ramos Same with Hades. And Thanatos in a fucked-up kind of way
Couple things that back up your Heracles theory is that Heracles was immortalized in the skies as a constellation, and the lightning chariot travels across the universe, through the cosmos, hence the connection there. Also, in that image of the Chariot Master, you could see he was wearing a hide of some form, and Heracles wore, in the myths, the impenetrable hide of the Nemean Lion. I agree with your theory, chugga.
"But this place was so huge, we even had a loading screen back there!" "SHHHHHHHH! Don't talk too loudly about that!"
5:35 You tell him, Pit!!
I'm so happy! My charger broke and i had to get a new one and got it tonight! Finally get to watch this!
I absolutely love this series, although some of the mythology conflicts with the stuff I've learned from reading Percy Jackson. Fantastic book series, by the way. I highly recommend you check it out.
Man, a rollerskating chicken WOULD be an awesome enemy. Sounds like something from Earthbound.
X looks so good! I can understand that a dream like that would make you grumpy :)
As Emile has said throughout this LP: "Ah, this game and it's non-existent fourth wall."
Kid Icarus: Uprising does that all the time
I love that every description is actually thought out and typed rather than copy/pasted every video like certain you tubers...
Here's a theory: like how Link's trainer in twilight princess is Link of Majora's mask, the Chariot Master is a dead pit traveled back in time… re-dead? Fallen? Idk
0:04 So when Pit takes that whirlwind-whatchamacallit, will we be there?
at last finaly can watch this episode yay thank you for upload it ^^
Pit asking "Are we There yet" and Viridi going all hissifit on him... reminds me of the Smurfs for some reason xD
I swear, once you notice how many times Emile says "okay"...
Whoever doesn't know has gotta make the time to play an amazing game.
0:57 "Wow, you really are clueless." -Hades sadistically mocking Pit
the Chariot Master's mouth never moved once when he talked
I have read one of this trilogy, thanks to my school~ And I have to agree, fantastic books, fantastic bloke.
15:20 but Heracles didn’t serve Zeus though... he served that kind guy for the 12 labors, but I thought he didn’t like that guy
I just realized that in Super Smash bros Ultimate Pits final smash he yells “Phos, Lux! Let’s go!” Then he rams the opponent with the chariot
Wait! There's still 2 options on the table. You must either make a bad pun, or quote the video people just watched!
Uhh.. UHH....... That maze sure was aMAZEing! Oww... my brain.........
In reference to Chugga's theory at the end:
I know that he wasn't Heracles' master, but, for some reason, I was thinking of Philoctetes as being the "master" in question
very interesting theory for the chariot master. I always wondered who he was as well.
I love your work of art Chuggaacontory you Rock!
kid icarus uprising never gets old, i know because i am watching this playlist for the ACTUALLY 100th time O-O
10:12 Orne: hey buddy want to be spooked and then killed
13:12
This game is so exciting! I can't wait for the next episode!
Did someone else almost cry or get choked up when the chariot master died?
It was kinda sad honestly :(
The can can is featured in An opera by Offenbach which is based on Orpheus in the Underworld. Which is about a Greek tragedy involving a man going to the underworld to recover his lost love and encountering the monsters of hades. A fitting Easter egg and chugga didn’t even realise it!
The basic reaction of any first-time viewer:
"Sixteen minutes? How long is the boss fight?!"
Oh sorry, 16.5 minutes.
Sega360 was this boss a gauntlet of Normal enemies?
Well, we know he fought in "wars of the gods" and we know he considered the loss of his master a "war wound", I would guess he eventually died in a war and Pyrrhon just claimed the title after his death without any confrontation between the two.
Ultimately it's all just speculation though, he might as well be an original character for all we know.
I appreciate all the time you put into the game. I wasn't familiar with the series and am really enjoying watching you play it. I must admit though I found myself enjoying your play through of Mother 3 far more.
I guess we're just going to have to wait and see. From what I've seen of spoilers..they do go to a interesting place with what they end up doing.
When you thought the 3ds had no shooters and u find this came out in the first wave of 3DS games (excluding B/W2)
1:32
I can feel your pain, Emile. I've fallen off a few times there. Was the cause of a finish or two. But hey, it's a neat chapter with a neat boss, so it's all good.