I saw a meme where it says "Cynthia and Ariana approach every interview like a couple consulting for ivf therapy" with a pic of them holding hands and it killed me
I feel like this is just what Cynthia is actually like IRL - the stereotypical “theater kid” - and Ariana just absorbs the mannerisms and personality of whoever she’s hanging out with at the time (which is why she’s been accused of her personality, her accent, her style changing several times over the years). Just my theory
This press tour, they've acted like they're on molly 24/7 or they're aliens experiencing positive human emotions for the first time and therefore overwhelmed. It's insane.
@@ville-c4u what does that even have anything to do with this video or the comment to which you’re replying? Also how do you know who she’s friends with lol
Ha great description. I was thinking they were acting like over-tired toddlers but aliens experiencing human emotions for the first time and being overwhelmed is perfect.
I feel like this promotional campaign has been far too long and too intense. The actresses are tired, the audience is tired and cranky, we are all too tired for this. It's enough
Has anyone ever seen those twins that try to pretend they say the same things at the same time, and it's clear that they really haven't practiced enough?
@@jamdeederWell what can you do? it's not like the..silly ppl that run TH-cam,allow us to say such "offensive" words, it must be abbreviated ,it might just corrupt our innocence 😒. But they allow people like Eugenia Coony to flaunt her obvious illness.. and they allow p0rn to stay...
Exactly why I stopped watching the interviews & why I won't be watching the movie. I don't want to comment on their bodies but Ariana esp just isn't safe for my ED recovery. atm. Triggering AF.
Ive seen other people say this and it reigns so true for me. Growing up i had an ED "accountabilty" buddy and we acted ALOT like this if we were around other people. It was weird to see small habits in these two that made me flash back to that time.
Have you ever heard people gloss over someone being the actual worst because they’re talented? I saw it a lot with Lea Michelle (on and off Glee) and while I’m not accusing these two of committing some grave moral sin just for having weird interviews, I do think that attitude contributes to this energy. I think if people do something well after acting annoying or awful they incorrectly link the two in their minds and it spirals
As someone who loves the musical, the film was phenomenal. The press tour scared me, but the movie was great. One thing my boyfriend (who knows nothing about wicked/this press tour) noticed was that he could tell which scenes were filmed most recently. He said “I can tell which scenes were filmed first in this movie because she looks like she’s healthy skinny, but in the scenes that were filmed last you can tell she’s lost like 10/15lbs, she looks really sick in the first scene” And I feel like nobody is talking about it.
I used to be a huge Ariana Grande fan for a really long time but the whole cheating scandal made me see the type of person she is and I haven’t supported her since. She changes her whole way of speaking and mannerisms depending on the project she’s working on and it just feels so fake. I totally get dressing up as the character, or changing your style to fit the album concept but also changing your whole personality is crazy and lowkey scary. I didn’t know Cynthia before Wicked but the way she reacted to that fanart poster already tells me enough about her. The reason her and Ariana get along so well is cause they’re the same type of person, actresses who can’t stop acting, who in reality are just very shallow and arrogant. Maybe I’m being harsh but I personally know actors who are like this and all the signs are pointing to them being like that too. Any job in the spotlight will attract these types of people, Hollywood is filled with them, some just hide it better.
just saying, changing your voice depending on your project makes sense from a professional standpoint because you have to protect your voice. The way she has to sing for wicked (waaay up there in soprano) needs to be supported, it's a thing many professional singers do.
@@JKat94she’s not talking about her singing. She changes her entire personality/identity based on who she’s dating or friends with & it comes across as very forced & fake. She’s also been in relationships with men who are either already in one or married. She’s a weird egotistical person has nothing to do with her craft
@@JKat94Like I said in my original comment, it’s not just her voice. She changes accents, the words she uses, her body language, literally everything. Just look up Ariana Grande blaccent and tell me that was necessary for her album lol. And that’s just one of her many personas. As a former fan I’ve been watching her since I was a kid and she was still making cover videos on youtube. Ever since she broke through as a singer she’s been a whole different person pretty much everytime she brought out a new album. If you really think she only changes her voice pitch you need to look at some interviews throughout her career, the differences are too big to miss.
I almost didn’t go see it because of the weird press I saw. My sister ended up inviting me to go, and I’m honestly happy I did. They did a very good job, but yeah, their symbiotic emotional weirdness is mildly troubling.
Yes, this! The weird, uncomfortable, toxic, performative, narcissistic, selfimportanct, and disingenuous act in the press has put me off entirely. I genuinely have zero interest in seeing it now (I initially planned to see it) - to the point of feeling gross and annoyed any time i have to hear/see any promotion of the film or cast.
Hyperemotional is a good term for it. The emotion is overdone and looks like fake compassion. I just experienced that irl with a medical director and doctor. Both were clearly faking compassion while touching me "comfortingly" without my permission. Both showed their truth of zero compassion soon after. The lesson? If their compassion looks and feels fake, it is fake.
theyre giving a really specific kind of theatre kid energy that comes out on closing night for any emotional show. but usually it's just on closing night not for an entire press tour s,mjbfskd
FOR REAL! This whole press tour is giving me Vietnam flashbacks to being Jojo in Seussical’s closing night with the high school theater club 😭😮💨 got post show depression off that one real bad smh
The best way to understand holding space is therapy. In therapy, your therapist is essentially holding space for you the client to think/feel/react in a way that feels authentic. It helps to build a way to process complex emotions/situations without interference or disruptions. We can learn to hold space for ourselves or for people in our life. Now that being said i dont know what these 2 are talking about... holding space for defying gravity? You mean listening to it? Why not just say that?? Im tired y'all
The interviewers need to stop the bs. They should be in control of the interview, not letting these two "actresses" take over the promotion of the movie and making it about themselves. There are too many people involved in the movie that deserve recognition.
It's embarrassing listening to them. It's so bad that it resembles a sketch ridiculing theater kids. An interviewer is asking some innocuous question, and the response they give is as if they were looking into the face of God.
The press/interviews to watch are the ones with the people behind the camera: the costume designer, set designer, hair/make-up, choreographer, director, songwriter. That stuff is super cool because this is a huge project and they have a lot to say about how they created this whole world and brought it to screen. The supporting actors are also fine to watch. It's Cynthia and Ariana that are exhausting to watch during interviews. Loved the movie but I've had to stop watching the press for it with those two because it's so bad.
When I first started seeing the clips on social media, I was worried cuz I thought I was the only one who thought they were weird AF. I’m glad literally every single TH-camr has affirmed my feelings 😂🤣😂
To me, I see both sides. I read that this was a dream role for Ariana grande since she was like 10?? If I finished the movie and doing press tour and it all sinking in I would definitely be emotional too. And how this apparently took 3 years of really hard work, time, energy etc. You can tell they put their hearts and souls into it, and I heard it’s a great adaptation. HOWEVERRRRR having her and Cynthia get very emotional for EVERY INTERVIEW can definitely be excessive. As an audience member, I wanna learn about their experiences on set, getting into character, how the crew created Oz, that kinda stuff. I definitely agree that it’s all been emotional gobbledygook that doesn’t make much sense! Idk man, I’m glad the actresses are so supportive and close and hey do whatever ya want doesn’t affect me.. but when they mentioned having multiple matching tattoos I was like WOAH
“Holding space” sounds like a term they use in my Pilates, and yoga classes 😂 idk but I feel like in this context it means the lyrics are resonating with people
@@FernBlackwood1995 cults and sect come in diferent forms. Google "Escuela de yoga" a cult with quite the long history of abuse in Argentina it can serve you as a default model to identify similar practices.
I think Ariana is trying really hard to be perceived as a soft and sensitive ‘girl’s girl’ after her whole scandal, while also trying to compete with Cynthia as to who is the most gracious to have been given a role in the film. Cynthia seems like she’s not ready mentally to have such a big platform, she’s sounding like she doesn’t have a strong sense of self (especially with the whole fan art thing) at best and at worst sounds like she’s only carrying on that way to get compliments and validations from people.
As a theatre nerd who still does community theatre in her early 30s - this is just how theatre nerds are tbh. The overwhelming joy you feel after doing a show and then reminiscing over it with your cast mates is always heartwarming and can make you feel emotional. It is hard work and we work so closely together for hours upon hours, through laughter, frustrations, sweat and tears and then the show happens and you’re on this huge rush and adrenaline and when it’s over there’s an overwhelming low because all we’ve experienced together is over and post-show blues are absolutely a real thing. Though I gotta agree and say Cynthia and Ariana should chill a little lol the movie has been filmed and done filming for a while now 😅
I was friends with a lot of theater kids in high school I gotta agree it feels pretty normal they're behavior but I think they feed off each other in a bad way encouraging some of their worst behaviors. I think they behave better if they're interviewed separately which might be what the exacts have them doing the future more often.
I've seen comments on how they are ED buddies, which can make you super-bond and hyperemotional. Also people are swearing that they've been on ED forums.
I'm surprised you didn't mention their matching tattoos, I saw in one interview and was like oh weird they got a matching tattoo, then they stayed pointing out MULTIPLE matching tattoos...
I find the performative emotion very narcissistic. Like when people post daily Tik Toks of them sobbing over something or another. They are desperate for attention and sympathy. They're emotional vampires. And I say this as a former theater kid!🤣 And I totally agree with your point that they are making these interviews about them, and not the movie. Again, narcissistic. People are free to disagree, this is just my impression.
It’s a big turnoff. They make me not want to see the film. And, I appreciate emotion. But, these ladies are hungry. Physically, emotionally. It’s too much.
Their crying comes off insincere, especially Ariana Grande’s I think this is bc of all the backlash and how even her behaviour from her very early twenties has been circulating online again (donut incident). She’s even going so far as to change her voice again to sound light and airy almost reminiscent of Cat Valentine but definitely a calmer version when her real voice sounds like a normal adult woman’s voice.
Holding space for a song is something I've never heard of. Usually you're holding space for something uncertain to unfold. It's like a prayer without a specific request. You don't know how it's going to unfold but you're holding space for the people and situation to have the best solution possible.
Me too like my body is having such a visceral case of second hand embarrassment and cringe and I don't even use the word cringe, I want to like them, I use therapy language sometimes too, but this is just so over the top and insincere.
I’m glad you made this video, no matter how lighthearted it is compared to your other ones. At first, I didn’t understand why everyone was making a big fuss out of this. This video totally put it into perspective for me. Your thoughts are so organized and this analysis was awesome. 👍🏻
I agree with not seeing it with the wired press tour, it makes me feel like the psychopath too for not feeling *getting heavy high school flashbacks of these theatre kids leaving me out of their clique*
Please I would also like to know what "Holding Space" means. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who didn't get what the hell they were talking about either.
I had to say, I was a bit weirded out by the press tour, but loved the movie! Please see it, if you liked the play, you’ll love the movie. They are amazing. And the crying makes so much sense after. For theater kids working on such an emotional project.
Hey as a fellow fan of the Broadway musical - go see the movie. It's actually worth it. This weird thing they're doing doesn't relate at all to their version of the story. I don't want you to miss seeing this in theaters because of the uncomfortable press tour interviews. I went to see it twice at the cinema because it's probably the best movie musical adaptation I've seen since like Hairspray. P.s. elphaba and glinda kiss twice in the book but it's just bi vibes in the movie.
I could not agree more. It’s not relatable, it feels forced, it’s cringe, it’s annoying. It makes me never wanna see the movie. Imagine crying so much over something so benign like you said…it’s just wild.
I understand “holding space” to mean that You’re making room in your life for something. People are using the limited free time they have to focus on a specific subject or movement. If you’ve only got an hour to yourself after the kids fall asleep, you spend that time watching videos about the subject, listening to others talk about it & then saying or doing something related to the subject yourself.
I’ve purposely stayed away from the press interviews , because I want to see the film without it tainting my moviegoing experience . Especially since the whole fiasco with Cynthia making a fuss about a fan poster where she felt “erased” because it covered some of her face like the original poster 🙄
Not gonna lie Im loving these fucking insane press tours 😂 first we had Blake’s dumpster fire, now we got this Wicked’s therapy sessions. Im all for these unhinged press tours, how else do you keep it interesting when for weeks people got to talk about the same shit non stop. 😂
I heard the journalist explain later online that she meant in the wake of the election results, but that the reaction took her off guard, and she forgot to elaborate. Dunno how true, but I heard it secondhand.
Those two remind me of that Mean Girls quote when the girls are sharing their emotions in the gym and that random girl from another school chimes in and says "I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy", and Tina Fey sends her home 😂
I think Ariana was responding to fan comments about Galinda and Elphaba being in love, but in the end, it is a love story between these two women. It’s very much about their bond.
You're on point!! This is my favorite video on this shii show. Literally, every part I was just sitting her nodding my head and sayin "yes yes"!! You absolutely said it perfectly!! Thank you!! 🥰🥰🤟🏻🤟🏻
I will say, if you're already a big fan of the stage musical, please don't let the press tour detur you from seeing the movie!! I'm super cynical and the press tour made me worried the movie would be just as strange, but it's actually a great adaptation of the stage show. I didn't expect to like it anywhere near as much as I did!!
What's also bugging me is that it seems like Cynthia's been making herself up to ve the 1st "Black Elphaba" when Mabel King and the whole of "The Wiz" had been beaten her to it!
My dad just recently passed away and while I have been crying a lot, I still have to manage my feelings to some level so I can function and go back to work and help support my mom. I literally don't have the luxury to cry and shut down all the time. If I did i think I'd just be non functional. Also the fact they're crying so much over a movie... idk it's not like they did a holocaust movie or something.
I’ve seen a fuck tonne of people break it down to Arianna and Cynthia basically getting very close, too quickly, going through an ED together and being so honest, probably a lotta drugs (cocaine would be a main one I’d think) for the long haul shoots, the energy you’d need and especially with EDs equalling the lack of energy, vitamin and energy starved brains etc. Imo the whole thing just gives off very ‘toxic for each other in the long run’ kind of vibes 😭
it's not as much the crying that bothers me, but it seems like most of the clips i see from this press tour is ariana speaking over cynthia..maybe i'm wrong but i'll be holding space for that observation in the meantime 😂😂
After watching the movie, I understand why they were so emotional. How emotional even I was during watching it? Insane. Can't imagine how you feel after filming something for 3 years and then watching it go to the full screen.
100% agree I don't feel it was inauthentic at all. This is a 3 years project that took all your mental, physical and emotional space, and now is finally out there, I would definitely be crying everywhere I'm being asked about the damn thing.
Eh.....I dunno. If they cried/got emotional in a few interviews, sure. But every single interview just seems overkill. Hell, I have suffered from my disabilities for three DECADES, and I would never cry this much in front of strangers. And I was a theater kid, too😅
I just saw the movie Wicked yesterday and it was fantastic. Their chemistry and performances were amazing. I'm not even going to lie, it brought me to tears in some places. Definitely one of the best musical movies I've seen in awhile. That being said, though, watching their interviews feels so off and weird. I constantly keep asking myself if they are okay. I advise people to just not pay attention to these interviews or the press and just focus on the movie and the music.
Regarding the crying I think context is very important. This is the most i've seen Cynthia cry doing interviews however Ariana has been crying in interviews or fighting tears for years now. She herself says she's a very emotional cancer and this was her dream role since she was a child. They clearly both care about this project a lot and have said in interviews they have found healing in playing these roles-if you watched more than 2 interviews you would have seen them say that many times. I really don't get what the big deal is, they are just crying. Not hurting anyone with their tears.
Holding space in therapy context is in reference to being present, being able to be something that can hold space for someone who needs a "safe space". So when people say they are holding space for defying gravity, is rather than just listening to the song they are being present and actively engaging in the content and the context of the music for the deeper meaning. Which honestly in the day and age where nobody has an attention span longer than 10 seconds due to technology, i think the holding space trend is great. And funny
Imagining you not only explaining this to your family, but translating all this nonsense into Italian in a way that makes sense is genuinely so comedic
They take themselfs WAAAY to serious, like they are soo knowledgeable, philosophic, talated and on some high level we mortals just cant understand 😂 And to be a lil serious, After CHYNTIA totally pissed on fan who done nothing more that made a cool fan edit of the promo art (she literaly only added another colour to her lips and a cool dark shade to hide the eyes to match the ORIGINAL storys older promo pic) and was a total mean girl and racism and shiz when it was nothing more than an innocent fan edit (NOTHING was changed that would be bad like body features, skin colour etc, nothing at all like that) i have totally lost a big part of my respect for her and she feels very performative.. like ariana haha 😅
In my personal opinion, they’re both emotional theatre kids who just went through a grueling process playing the role of a lifetime. The movie is very emotional and it took a long time to make. A lot of time spent together. I’m sure they’re very tired. That’s how I see it.
I saw the movie and felt it didn’t have the charm of the stage version. I also felt Ariana and Cynthia didn’t have chemistry in the movie. I really feel like it is overhyped and too long. That is just my opinion though.
I genuinely and unironically enjoyed all of their interviews. I cried when the Wicked trailer dropped. I cried at some of their interviews (like the one you showed about Erivo wiping off the green) and I wouldn't change a thing about the way they handled it. Some of us just cry.
The movie itself was very emotional. I had a hard time holding back tears through the entirety, they did a great job putting full emotion into their characters and Ariana brought the greatest humor to it. I highly recommend giving it a shot, press tour aside. And if you do, I’d love to hear about your thoughts after watching it.
Great video. Ariana and costar have been weird af. She's progressively gotten worse through the years. Sorry not sorry. What the hell is going on? 😂 the cheating and stealing of someone else's husband really got me. Then this whole press tour..tf?! Lol
It’s very theatre kid. I’m not into theatre but it feels right to me. Like, you hand them flowers and tell them they did good and they go on to make a long speech about what playing an ompaloompa in Charlie and the chocolate factory means while you stand there under the Florissant lights in the school gym. All you can think is please go change so we can go get food.
Manufactured “authenticity.” I saw a post of saying Ariana is being a mean girl by fake talking up the “lesser attractive” friend, while crap talking her behind her back. Ariana has made some seriously questionable choices….i struggle to give her the benefit of the doubt.
This movie is a 3 years project that took all your mental, physical and emotional space, and now is finally out there, I'f I'm being asked about the damn thing you can be sure I'm gonna cry.
For sure. Yes, it’s their job, but if your job involves this much of you (which, under capitalism, it does of most of us) and you undergo a project for years, it makes sense (to me at least) to be emotional about it. I think a lot of ppl boil down actors to “it’s a job” and obviously it is, but that doesn’t change the fact that those actors put themselves into the work.
I saw a meme where it says "Cynthia and Ariana approach every interview like a couple consulting for ivf therapy" with a pic of them holding hands and it killed me
Haha that’s hilarious actually
glare is friends with colleen ballinger btw
@@ville-c4uwhy do you say that?
omg this took me out lmao
@@ville-c4u Why are you spamming this?
I feel like this is just what Cynthia is actually like IRL - the stereotypical “theater kid” - and Ariana just absorbs the mannerisms and personality of whoever she’s hanging out with at the time (which is why she’s been accused of her personality, her accent, her style changing several times over the years). Just my theory
glare is friends with colleen ballinger btw
@@ville-c4uis she?!?
@ashleyduckworthyt3224 no she isn't
@ I didn’t think so
In other words, personality disorders galore. 😂
They're out here sounding like that one friend who went to therapy twice, and now they've weaponized what they learned there to gaslight everyone.
Exactly this! It’s exhausting and a little funny because of how obvious it is 😅
my best friend's first boyfriend is like that. he's the WORST.
Yes!
I laughed out loud 😂😂😂
This press tour, they've acted like they're on molly 24/7 or they're aliens experiencing positive human emotions for the first time and therefore overwhelmed. It's insane.
That's exactly what I thought! They're reactions are kinda Culty as well
Lol on molly. Good one
@@ville-c4u what does that even have anything to do with this video or the comment to which you’re replying? Also how do you know who she’s friends with lol
Ha great description. I was thinking they were acting like over-tired toddlers but aliens experiencing human emotions for the first time and being overwhelmed is perfect.
Def like they're on molly! Maybe that's also contributing to their EDs as well
I feel like this promotional campaign has been far too long and too intense. The actresses are tired, the audience is tired and cranky, we are all too tired for this. It's enough
glare is friends with colleen ballinger btw
@@ville-c4uno way?
@@bbopi Nope.
And don’t forget, they’ve got another year to promote the sequel too
@@ville-c4u proof or gtfo
Has anyone ever seen those twins that try to pretend they say the same things at the same time, and it's clear that they really haven't practiced enough?
That's it! I was wondering who they reminded me of!
omg i was thinking the same thing
It reminds me of the movie Midsommar, the crying scene! 😮
@@simoliz03 lmfao
@simoliz03 that scene. It gets worse when you realize what they were trying to do at the end by making her feel "understood."
Watching them suffer from an ED together has been so uncomfortable
Yes.. agreed.. it is concerning
But, when I see "ED" ..I think "Erectile Dysfunction" ..
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@@jamdeederWell what can you do? it's not like the..silly ppl that run TH-cam,allow us to say such "offensive" words, it must be abbreviated ,it might just corrupt our innocence 😒. But they allow people like Eugenia Coony to flaunt her obvious illness.. and they allow p0rn to stay...
Exactly why I stopped watching the interviews & why I won't be watching the movie. I don't want to comment on their bodies but Ariana esp just isn't safe for my ED recovery. atm. Triggering AF.
I’m reading a book on EDs and the influential nature is terrifying
When you have an ED it's really difficult to regulate your emotions. A starved brain breaks down easily.
this actually makes so much sense
She is so triggering to watch in interviews. It’s frightening
Ive seen other people say this and it reigns so true for me. Growing up i had an ED "accountabilty" buddy and we acted ALOT like this if we were around other people. It was weird to see small habits in these two that made me flash back to that time.
That’s a fair point
Dude, there are MANY things that make emotional regulation difficult.
This is just what happens when you don't tell theatre kids to reign it in often enough >.>
Have you ever heard people gloss over someone being the actual worst because they’re talented? I saw it a lot with Lea Michelle (on and off Glee) and while I’m not accusing these two of committing some grave moral sin just for having weird interviews, I do think that attitude contributes to this energy. I think if people do something well after acting annoying or awful they incorrectly link the two in their minds and it spirals
@@merrybright5732 agree
@@merrybright5732all the time
*rein
I'm holding space for my sanity. That is all
As someone who loves the musical, the film was phenomenal. The press tour scared me, but the movie was great. One thing my boyfriend (who knows nothing about wicked/this press tour) noticed was that he could tell which scenes were filmed most recently. He said “I can tell which scenes were filmed first in this movie because she looks like she’s healthy skinny, but in the scenes that were filmed last you can tell she’s lost like 10/15lbs, she looks really sick in the first scene” And I feel like nobody is talking about it.
She looks like she is dying.
99% of women who are advertised in any way are underweight. Nobody talks about that. “Healthy skinny”
Lol.
I used to be a huge Ariana Grande fan for a really long time but the whole cheating scandal made me see the type of person she is and I haven’t supported her since. She changes her whole way of speaking and mannerisms depending on the project she’s working on and it just feels so fake. I totally get dressing up as the character, or changing your style to fit the album concept but also changing your whole personality is crazy and lowkey scary. I didn’t know Cynthia before Wicked but the way she reacted to that fanart poster already tells me enough about her. The reason her and Ariana get along so well is cause they’re the same type of person, actresses who can’t stop acting, who in reality are just very shallow and arrogant. Maybe I’m being harsh but I personally know actors who are like this and all the signs are pointing to them being like that too. Any job in the spotlight will attract these types of people, Hollywood is filled with them, some just hide it better.
just saying, changing your voice depending on your project makes sense from a professional standpoint because you have to protect your voice. The way she has to sing for wicked (waaay up there in soprano) needs to be supported, it's a thing many professional singers do.
@@JKat94she’s not talking about her singing. She changes her entire personality/identity based on who she’s dating or friends with & it comes across as very forced & fake. She’s also been in relationships with men who are either already in one or married. She’s a weird egotistical person has nothing to do with her craft
@@JKat94Like I said in my original comment, it’s not just her voice. She changes accents, the words she uses, her body language, literally everything. Just look up Ariana Grande blaccent and tell me that was necessary for her album lol. And that’s just one of her many personas. As a former fan I’ve been watching her since I was a kid and she was still making cover videos on youtube. Ever since she broke through as a singer she’s been a whole different person pretty much everytime she brought out a new album. If you really think she only changes her voice pitch you need to look at some interviews throughout her career, the differences are too big to miss.
Agree
100%!!!
I almost didn’t go see it because of the weird press I saw. My sister ended up inviting me to go, and I’m honestly happy I did. They did a very good job, but yeah, their symbiotic emotional weirdness is mildly troubling.
Same here, sering the interviews etc really put me off
Yeah, I'm not going to watch it. They're just a couple of narcissistic weirdos with personality disorders.. and it definitely puts me off. 🤷♀️
Yes, this! The weird, uncomfortable, toxic, performative, narcissistic, selfimportanct, and disingenuous act in the press has put me off entirely.
I genuinely have zero interest in seeing it now (I initially planned to see it) - to the point of feeling gross and annoyed any time i have to hear/see any promotion of the film or cast.
I’m not gonna go see it. This press tour is so weird! I might watch it when it comes to streaming services though.
Im just glad I saw it becuase it was my first time seeing any production of Wicked. I never got a chance to see the play, but now i want to.
It gives Trisha sobbing on the floor
Yeeeeeeeeesssss "I'm a trans duck!" 😂 🦆
💯
I think Trisha's crying made more sense.
I feel like I'm watching an SNL skit while watching these interviews lol
YES. It just comes off as fake.
It really does. Or two people high on molly thinking no one else can tell. We know you’re rolling face ladies.
It’s so annoying and appears traumatic and attention-starved.
😅😂
@@lizthedisjointedzebra692it comes off as emotions bought off of Temu
Hyperemotional is a good term for it. The emotion is overdone and looks like fake compassion. I just experienced that irl with a medical director and doctor. Both were clearly faking compassion while touching me "comfortingly" without my permission. Both showed their truth of zero compassion soon after. The lesson? If their compassion looks and feels fake, it is fake.
Yep. They're definitely fake. Irl both Ariana and Cynthia have shown extremely selfish 'me, me, me', narcissistic traits.
theyre giving a really specific kind of theatre kid energy that comes out on closing night for any emotional show. but usually it's just on closing night not for an entire press tour s,mjbfskd
FOR REAL! This whole press tour is giving me Vietnam flashbacks to being Jojo in Seussical’s closing night with the high school theater club 😭😮💨 got post show depression off that one real bad smh
@ ffs don’t even get me started i was horton in 9th grade lmao
This is like dropping acid for the first time and being stuck in a room the theater kids.
The best way to understand holding space is therapy. In therapy, your therapist is essentially holding space for you the client to think/feel/react in a way that feels authentic. It helps to build a way to process complex emotions/situations without interference or disruptions. We can learn to hold space for ourselves or for people in our life.
Now that being said i dont know what these 2 are talking about... holding space for defying gravity? You mean listening to it? Why not just say that?? Im tired y'all
The interviewers need to stop the bs. They should be in control of the interview, not letting these two "actresses" take over the promotion of the movie and making it about themselves. There are too many people involved in the movie that deserve recognition.
half the interviewers are just as bad as them. quite a few go in like it's a personal therapy session. there's a complete lack of professionalism
You’ve just hit the nail on the head. Can you imagine how aggravating it is for all involved in the production watching this Mickey Mouse press tour?
@kldc2156 these two are selfish. They don't even talk about the actual movie just themselves.
@@vilmacamacho9809 agree with you 100%.
@@NightimeInDeepSpace So true.
The memes out of the press tour are always so hilarious. 😭
glare is friends with colleen ballinger btw
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It's embarrassing listening to them. It's so bad that it resembles a sketch ridiculing theater kids. An interviewer is asking some innocuous question, and the response they give is as if they were looking into the face of God.
Lmao! But yes fr 😂
What a weird dichotomy in comparison to Blake lively’s emotional state (or lack thereof) when promoting it ends with us?!
I was thinking the same thing
“Can we talk about things that are not actually about you guys crying” 💀
The press/interviews to watch are the ones with the people behind the camera: the costume designer, set designer, hair/make-up, choreographer, director, songwriter. That stuff is super cool because this is a huge project and they have a lot to say about how they created this whole world and brought it to screen. The supporting actors are also fine to watch. It's Cynthia and Ariana that are exhausting to watch during interviews. Loved the movie but I've had to stop watching the press for it with those two because it's so bad.
I've been really holding space for this video.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
glare is friends with colleen ballinger btw
Hahahahah, I am gonna start using that phrase for shiggles
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When I first started seeing the clips on social media, I was worried cuz I thought I was the only one who thought they were weird AF. I’m glad literally every single TH-camr has affirmed my feelings 😂🤣😂
To me, I see both sides. I read that this was a dream role for Ariana grande since she was like 10?? If I finished the movie and doing press tour and it all sinking in I would definitely be emotional too. And how this apparently took 3 years of really hard work, time, energy etc. You can tell they put their hearts and souls into it, and I heard it’s a great adaptation. HOWEVERRRRR having her and Cynthia get very emotional for EVERY INTERVIEW can definitely be excessive. As an audience member, I wanna learn about their experiences on set, getting into character, how the crew created Oz, that kinda stuff. I definitely agree that it’s all been emotional gobbledygook that doesn’t make much sense! Idk man, I’m glad the actresses are so supportive and close and hey do whatever ya want doesn’t affect me.. but when they mentioned having multiple matching tattoos I was like WOAH
It’s because it’s wicked and they’re theater nerds. Theater nerds are extra like that and wicked is like their superbowl. 😂
I’m a therapist… I don’t often cry at my job. In fact… I don’t cry at all… it’s called professionalism
It was almost like they were trying to out do each other. Very cringe. Very uncomfortable to watch.
“Holding space” sounds like a term they use in my Pilates, and yoga classes 😂 idk but I feel like in this context it means the lyrics are resonating with people
It's like a cult speaking 😂
My pyschiatrist and my yoga teacher both use the term in different ways, haha
@mrpurple11 I doubt you'd hear Manson telling the Family to "hold space", honestly.
@@FernBlackwood1995 cults and sect come in diferent forms. Google "Escuela de yoga" a cult with quite the long history of abuse in Argentina it can serve you as a default model to identify similar practices.
I think Ariana is trying really hard to be perceived as a soft and sensitive ‘girl’s girl’ after her whole scandal, while also trying to compete with Cynthia as to who is the most gracious to have been given a role in the film. Cynthia seems like she’s not ready mentally to have such a big platform, she’s sounding like she doesn’t have a strong sense of self (especially with the whole fan art thing) at best and at worst sounds like she’s only carrying on that way to get compliments and validations from people.
This plus Ariana's forced soft voice is just absurd and sickeningly saccharine
Sickeningly Saccharine should be a band name! 🤘🏻
I missed the OG background ❤️
Same she had that last time I was pregnant and now I’m pregnant again I guess it’s the vibe 😂
Same
“I don’t even cry this much in therapy” YES…. Agreed 😬 just toooooo much goin’ on in these interviews
The worst part is that the movie isnt even that deep… Ariana has never been an underdog. She literally played herself…
As a theatre nerd who still does community theatre in her early 30s - this is just how theatre nerds are tbh. The overwhelming joy you feel after doing a show and then reminiscing over it with your cast mates is always heartwarming and can make you feel emotional. It is hard work and we work so closely together for hours upon hours, through laughter, frustrations, sweat and tears and then the show happens and you’re on this huge rush and adrenaline and when it’s over there’s an overwhelming low because all we’ve experienced together is over and post-show blues are absolutely a real thing. Though I gotta agree and say Cynthia and Ariana should chill a little lol the movie has been filmed and done filming for a while now 😅
I was friends with a lot of theater kids in high school I gotta agree it feels pretty normal they're behavior but I think they feed off each other in a bad way encouraging some of their worst behaviors. I think they behave better if they're interviewed separately which might be what the exacts have them doing the future more often.
This is obviously mental illness or drugs lol
Shout out to all my emotional plumber bros
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I've seen comments on how they are ED buddies, which can make you super-bond and hyperemotional. Also people are swearing that they've been on ED forums.
Yep. Reminds me of the friendships I made in ED treatment.
I'm surprised you didn't mention their matching tattoos, I saw in one interview and was like oh weird they got a matching tattoo, then they stayed pointing out MULTIPLE matching tattoos...
I find the performative emotion very narcissistic. Like when people post daily Tik Toks of them sobbing over something or another. They are desperate for attention and sympathy. They're emotional vampires. And I say this as a former theater kid!🤣 And I totally agree with your point that they are making these interviews about them, and not the movie. Again, narcissistic. People are free to disagree, this is just my impression.
It’s a big turnoff. They make me not want to see the film. And, I appreciate emotion. But, these ladies are hungry. Physically, emotionally. It’s too much.
Right there with you on this ✅
Their crying comes off insincere, especially Ariana Grande’s I think this is bc of all the backlash and how even her behaviour from her very early twenties has been circulating online again (donut incident). She’s even going so far as to change her voice again to sound light and airy almost reminiscent of Cat Valentine but definitely a calmer version when her real voice sounds like a normal adult woman’s voice.
Yeah, she's a covert narcissist. Also Cynthia's behavior and reaction to when someone did fan art.. very narcissistic. They're fake.
It's crazy because Eugenia Cooneys voice changed too. More childlike
Holding space for a song is something I've never heard of. Usually you're holding space for something uncertain to unfold. It's like a prayer without a specific request. You don't know how it's going to unfold but you're holding space for the people and situation to have the best solution possible.
I feel like they are acting as if they took too much molly 😭
It's giving women bathroom conversation with a stranger at a nightclub
Yes!!! I can really agree with you here.
their reactions are so fake that I'm literally experiencing uncanny valley
Me too like my body is having such a visceral case of second hand embarrassment and cringe and I don't even use the word cringe, I want to like them, I use therapy language sometimes too, but this is just so over the top and insincere.
I’m glad you made this video, no matter how lighthearted it is compared to your other ones. At first, I didn’t understand why everyone was making a big fuss out of this. This video totally put it into perspective for me. Your thoughts are so organized and this analysis was awesome. 👍🏻
This and the extreme weight loss is concerning
Sapphic elements definitely exist between them in the book. But I'm sure not a lot of folks know that from the show alone! 💚
This! Although I do agree that it comes across as a bit performative if the film does not have those elements.
I agree with not seeing it with the wired press tour, it makes me feel like the psychopath too for not feeling *getting heavy high school flashbacks of these theatre kids leaving me out of their clique*
They’re in their own echo-chamber of “unhingedness”
Holding space rn for RtG’s commentary on the Wicked (2024) Pressed Tour
haven't seen one of your vids in FOREVERR glad to see your outfits are still adorbs💚🖤
Please I would also like to know what "Holding Space" means. I'm glad that I'm not the only one who didn't get what the hell they were talking about either.
I had to say, I was a bit weirded out by the press tour, but loved the movie! Please see it, if you liked the play, you’ll love the movie. They are amazing. And the crying makes so much sense after. For theater kids working on such an emotional project.
They come off as emotionally incontinent.
Hey as a fellow fan of the Broadway musical - go see the movie. It's actually worth it. This weird thing they're doing doesn't relate at all to their version of the story. I don't want you to miss seeing this in theaters because of the uncomfortable press tour interviews. I went to see it twice at the cinema because it's probably the best movie musical adaptation I've seen since like Hairspray.
P.s. elphaba and glinda kiss twice in the book but it's just bi vibes in the movie.
I could not agree more. It’s not relatable, it feels forced, it’s cringe, it’s annoying. It makes me never wanna see the movie. Imagine crying so much over something so benign like you said…it’s just wild.
I understand “holding space” to mean that You’re making room in your life for something. People are using the limited free time they have to focus on a specific subject or movement. If you’ve only got an hour to yourself after the kids fall asleep, you spend that time watching videos about the subject, listening to others talk about it & then saying or doing something related to the subject yourself.
Yeah same, which in the context they used it it makes it even more ridiculously out of proportion and self absorbed.
I’ve purposely stayed away from the press interviews , because I want to see the film without it tainting my moviegoing experience . Especially since the whole fiasco with Cynthia making a fuss about a fan poster where she felt “erased” because it covered some of her face like the original poster 🙄
Not gonna lie Im loving these fucking insane press tours 😂 first we had Blake’s dumpster fire, now we got this Wicked’s therapy sessions. Im all for these unhinged press tours, how else do you keep it interesting when for weeks people got to talk about the same shit non stop. 😂
holding space for and feeling power in this video rn
We just can’t help it. We all just have to hold space for it, rn.
I heard the journalist explain later online that she meant in the wake of the election results, but that the reaction took her off guard, and she forgot to elaborate. Dunno how true, but I heard it secondhand.
Those two remind me of that Mean Girls quote when the girls are sharing their emotions in the gym and that random girl from another school chimes in and says "I wish I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone would eat and be happy", and Tina Fey sends her home 😂
I think Ariana was responding to fan comments about Galinda and Elphaba being in love, but in the end, it is a love story between these two women. It’s very much about their bond.
You're on point!! This is my favorite video on this shii show. Literally, every part I was just sitting her nodding my head and sayin "yes yes"!! You absolutely said it perfectly!! Thank you!! 🥰🥰🤟🏻🤟🏻
The interviews with Cynthia and Ariana were just uncomfortably raw in my opinion. They felt like a therapy session- not a press interview.
Yes, only without the therapist there to help them organise their thoughts and reflect it comes out as jumbled emotions and word salad.
These interviews look like skits from Portlandia hahaha
Love Portlandia!
I will say, if you're already a big fan of the stage musical, please don't let the press tour detur you from seeing the movie!! I'm super cynical and the press tour made me worried the movie would be just as strange, but it's actually a great adaptation of the stage show. I didn't expect to like it anywhere near as much as I did!!
What's also bugging me is that it seems like Cynthia's been making herself up to ve the 1st "Black Elphaba" when Mabel King and the whole of "The Wiz" had been beaten her to it!
My dad just recently passed away and while I have been crying a lot, I still have to manage my feelings to some level so I can function and go back to work and help support my mom. I literally don't have the luxury to cry and shut down all the time. If I did i think I'd just be non functional. Also the fact they're crying so much over a movie... idk it's not like they did a holocaust movie or something.
I’ve seen a fuck tonne of people break it down to Arianna and Cynthia basically getting very close, too quickly, going through an ED together and being so honest, probably a lotta drugs (cocaine would be a main one I’d think) for the long haul shoots, the energy you’d need and especially with EDs equalling the lack of energy, vitamin and energy starved brains etc. Imo the whole thing just gives off very ‘toxic for each other in the long run’ kind of vibes 😭
it's not as much the crying that bothers me, but it seems like most of the clips i see from this press tour is ariana speaking over cynthia..maybe i'm wrong but i'll be holding space for that observation in the meantime 😂😂
The first interview clip… I didn’t … understand what was being said or what was happening. And I speak English Spanish and I know some ASL. •_•
The constant over lap and talking over each other is so annoying
Me too! It felt like this was the very first interview they have ever had in their lives and had no clue how to handle it
You weren’t holding space for it…or giving it power…maybe? Not sure.
After watching the movie, I understand why they were so emotional. How emotional even I was during watching it? Insane. Can't imagine how you feel after filming something for 3 years and then watching it go to the full screen.
Agreed. Theyre humans, not AI robots. Not being perfect in every interview is pretty human lol
100% agree I don't feel it was inauthentic at all. This is a 3 years project that took all your mental, physical and emotional space, and now is finally out there, I would definitely be crying everywhere I'm being asked about the damn thing.
Eh.....I dunno. If they cried/got emotional in a few interviews, sure. But every single interview just seems overkill. Hell, I have suffered from my disabilities for three DECADES, and I would never cry this much in front of strangers. And I was a theater kid, too😅
@@nayla7982 only thing perfect about these ladies was their performances 👍🏻👍🏻
I agree!
I just saw the movie Wicked yesterday and it was fantastic. Their chemistry and performances were amazing.
I'm not even going to lie, it brought me to tears in some places.
Definitely one of the best musical movies I've seen in awhile.
That being said, though, watching their interviews feels so off and weird.
I constantly keep asking myself if they are okay.
I advise people to just not pay attention to these interviews or the press and just focus on the movie and the music.
Regarding the crying I think context is very important. This is the most i've seen Cynthia cry doing interviews however Ariana has been crying in interviews or fighting tears for years now. She herself says she's a very emotional cancer and this was her dream role since she was a child. They clearly both care about this project a lot and have said in interviews they have found healing in playing these roles-if you watched more than 2 interviews you would have seen them say that many times. I really don't get what the big deal is, they are just crying. Not hurting anyone with their tears.
Holding space in therapy context is in reference to being present, being able to be something that can hold space for someone who needs a "safe space". So when people say they are holding space for defying gravity, is rather than just listening to the song they are being present and actively engaging in the content and the context of the music for the deeper meaning. Which honestly in the day and age where nobody has an attention span longer than 10 seconds due to technology, i think the holding space trend is great. And funny
Imagining you not only explaining this to your family, but translating all this nonsense into Italian in a way that makes sense is genuinely so comedic
That first clip is insufferable, it’s like watching two drunk people having a conversation that’s over dramatic and they think is deep 😂
These are just two underfeed,overworked people. No wonder they're crying at the drop of a hat on what I'm guessing is a gruelling press tour
They take themselfs WAAAY to serious, like they are soo knowledgeable, philosophic, talated and on some high level we mortals just cant understand 😂
And to be a lil serious, After CHYNTIA totally pissed on fan who done nothing more that made a cool fan edit of the promo art (she literaly only added another colour to her lips and a cool dark shade to hide the eyes to match the ORIGINAL storys older promo pic) and was a total mean girl and racism and shiz when it was nothing more than an innocent fan edit (NOTHING was changed that would be bad like body features, skin colour etc, nothing at all like that) i have totally lost a big part of my respect for her and she feels very performative.. like ariana haha 😅
As a doctor who deals with end of life and very sick people, I’m so confused about how they are crying more then my patients and their families
It’s a movie. They made a movie. They didn’t storm from the trenches to bring plasma to the front line. 🙄
Not the bathroom break cry 😭
I involuntarily hunched into a protective stance when I heard that one 🫣
In my personal opinion, they’re both emotional theatre kids who just went through a grueling process playing the role of a lifetime.
The movie is very emotional and it took a long time to make.
A lot of time spent together.
I’m sure they’re very tired.
That’s how I see it.
Theater kids. Theater Kids that grew up to be weird obnoxious adults.
Your comment about Galinda coming out of the closet had me rolling!
I saw the movie and felt it didn’t have the charm of the stage
version. I also felt Ariana and Cynthia didn’t have chemistry
in the movie. I really feel like it is overhyped and too long.
That is just my opinion though.
I want to see two plumbers recreate these interviews now
All the hype and fanfare for this film was dramatic and hysterical.
I genuinely and unironically enjoyed all of their interviews. I cried when the Wicked trailer dropped. I cried at some of their interviews (like the one you showed about Erivo wiping off the green) and I wouldn't change a thing about the way they handled it. Some of us just cry.
The movie itself was very emotional. I had a hard time holding back tears through the entirety, they did a great job putting full emotion into their characters and Ariana brought the greatest humor to it. I highly recommend giving it a shot, press tour aside. And if you do, I’d love to hear about your thoughts after watching it.
Great job, best video breakdown about this situation
Personally I just won't support anything with Ariana Grande in it 😂
Same same.
If anyone else was Glinda I would have RUN. But after the whole "cheating and having no remorse" thing? Forget it. Loved her music.
Great video. Ariana and costar have been weird af.
She's progressively gotten worse through the years. Sorry not sorry. What the hell is going on? 😂 the cheating and stealing of someone else's husband really got me. Then this whole press tour..tf?! Lol
It’s very theatre kid. I’m not into theatre but it feels right to me.
Like, you hand them flowers and tell them they did good and they go on to make a long speech about what playing an ompaloompa in Charlie and the chocolate factory means while you stand there under the Florissant lights in the school gym. All you can think is please go change so we can go get food.
I refuse to see this movie. Ariana is a home wrecker. As a wife, I don’t support this.
Manufactured “authenticity.” I saw a post of saying Ariana is being a mean girl by fake talking up the “lesser attractive” friend, while crap talking her behind her back. Ariana has made some seriously questionable choices….i struggle to give her the benefit of the doubt.
This movie is a 3 years project that took all your mental, physical and emotional space, and now is finally out there, I'f I'm being asked about the damn thing you can be sure I'm gonna cry.
For sure. Yes, it’s their job, but if your job involves this much of you (which, under capitalism, it does of most of us) and you undergo a project for years, it makes sense (to me at least) to be emotional about it. I think a lot of ppl boil down actors to “it’s a job” and obviously it is, but that doesn’t change the fact that those actors put themselves into the work.
it's a normal thing when everything is fresh, but it's now gone to too much zone
glare is friends with colleen ballinger btw
@@ville-c4uGet another hobby, kid
@@ville-c4u You are commenting this on every replay, stop with this misinformation, reported