I'm not shure about the soul food but I think they mentioned that the Tumnus was quieter (not to mention its bottom end) so the Klons totaly lost. And if you factor in that the Soul food even if its not an improvement like the Tumnus is, costs only 70 bucks.....why on Earth would you lose a kidney for a Klon?
Brian Wampler is the man, plus nearly all his pedals can come in mini's! Got the mini ego, ace 30 and saving for the tummus...my board is heading the same way.
This episode is one of the greatest in the entire history of TPS. Playing is so good, sounds killer, guitars just ace and the chemistry of these lads extraordinary. Btw, Tumnus was and is my choice of klonextravaganza.
They all sound great, especially the Gold Archer and the Tumnus (as clones)... But, I think the Gold Archer would sit (and cut) better in an ensemble context. The low-end of that Tumnus might get muddy outside of a trio set up. If you added keys and second guitar to that trio, things get cloudy quick without space and EQ... I guess it all depends on the style of music, the amp, and the EQ... Just a practical thought, because what sounds good to you in your room doesn't always translate on stage with others...
That's a good point! Adding to that : 99% of the time in a live setting, sound engineers will hit the low cut button or will attenuate as high as 150 hz because that's where the low end for the bass and the kick drum is. But yeah, everyone's usage is different. I would set the Tumnus as a 2nd overdrive with a little mid boost and the gain set to 12o'clock to get a dirtier sound because it would cut into a live band setting.
Killer episode, but by far my favourite part is the advice, 'If your audience is turning off, play less not more.' Wow! That is a very deep and amazing piece of information that I will hopefully digest. Thank you Mick and Mick's friend. As much as the insight into klon/klones is brilliant, that little nugget is going to last me much longer than a pedal. Gratci, gratci!
I have a Fender twin reverb amp, very very clean, so I put the Tumnus at the end of my dirt pedals and keep it on all the time. sounds killer on its own, and with other OD pedals it sounds incredible.
For my money I would have to specifically shoot out the Tumnus and the Ikon. I would probably end up with the Wampler because it just comes alive at higher gain levels but sounds authentic when it's down low. Also I love Brian's work so ya!
My experience has been that as a player, I can get a great tone out of a pedal/amp/guitar by myself but once in a band mix, the perception changes drastically. I suppose the Klon/Klone mythos relies primarily on what it does to your tone in a band mix situation. Any chance of repeating this demo/shootout with some backing tracks including drums, bass, and a rhythm guitar? I suppose that would be the ultimate demonstration of which of these get the job done.
I am truly curious to see just how much of a difference would be discernible in a live mix, pound for pound. They are all so close in this setting that it still challenges a seasoned ear to hear the subtle nuances between them, but then adding in a band with the interplay of frequencies vs. the slightly different tonal characteristics cutting through. Part of me thinks it would be even more difficult to pick out those same differences, though I feel as if certain pedals may actually surprise us when the amps are pushed to a higher volume in a live band mix.
This kind of thing is so subjective, each person hears something they like more than another. For me I liked the Wampler pedal the best, but the Soul Food wins because it sounds great and is so damn inexpensive.
Ya know...we all have our struggles. Body aches & pains, a loved lost, poverty in some form or fashion. However, when you have at least 20 very cool amps, literally hundreds of pedals and a good buddy to jam with, all those big, bad problems get lost in the darkest corner of the practice room.
31:30 Larry Carlton! Nicely done indeed. LOL, I think your tones overall are darker then I'm usually allotted to, you 2 certainly play marvelous. But for me the EHX Soul Food is probably more to my usual recipe, but, as you point out so well, there is a bit of secret sauce compression going on, especially in the original Klons. And you shared several other tonal secrets in this episode so thank you again
"As we stare gazingly in to each others eyes"???? I think you mean "As we gaze lovingly in to each others eyes"... Either way, its a beautiful relation you guys. Let me know when I need to buy a new hat ;)
Hey Captain, why are Klon Centaur so expensive? It's just circuitry. If it's possible to truly "clone" the circuit, then what are people shelling out three thousand clams FOR? The faceplate? If it's NOT possible to truly clone the circuit however, why not? If it's just circuitry after all. Is there some two-thousand-dollar capacitor in there or something? I don't understand! I heard that Klon last night through a LP on your channel last night, and it made me jump in the air! So I looked it up, and WTFFFF!
@@CraigFlowersMusic TL/DR: the design is inventive and the product sounds good, and there are only around 8000 units in the world, so that is probably the main factor justifying the price. Long answer: The Klon was one of the very first truly boutique pedals. The guy who created and hand-made each of these pedals used to take orders on the phone, he wanted to hear what a potential customer expected to make sure the Klon was something for them; then the sold product was shipped via post. This went on for a few years. It used to cost under 300 dollars new, hand-made. Over time, more and more guitarists started to consider it a "secret weapon", because it sounded different from the usual go-to, mid-boosty overdrive pedals (e.g. TubeScreamer) at the time. It ended up landing on the pedalboards of some famous artists, which increased demand for the product. The guy couldn't produce them by hand anymore in a timely fashion, and refused to have it produced by some contracted factory. Eventually he stopped selling them, after shipping around 8000 units total. So there you have one justifiable explanation for the price: there are only a few in the world, and if you want to have "the true thing that was touched by the hands of the artist", you have to pay top dollar for it. The guy tried to protect his invention buy covering the circuit with hard black epoxi. Ever since, some people "destroyed" their Klons to see what was underneath it, and the circuit has been known for many years. You can check its schematic and analysis in a website called electrosmash dot com and see that it is indeed a very inventive and original design -- which can be copied and replicated, in theory. The original creator states that he bought a very large number of old, vintage, no longer produced electrical components that are the "fairy dust" responsible for the unique sound, but this is higly debatable. Moreover, some highly regarded pedal designers like to point out that the "magical" components are not even relevant if the Klon is used only as a booster, which is how most people like to use the pedal.
I just got my Tumnus! Its my 3rd Wampler pedal and I personally think they are light years ahead in terms of tone. Thank you guys for the video. You are always bringing very helpful comparisons that every guitarist would like to do! You have the best jobs in the world!
I never thought I actually needed a Klon-style pedal until I saw this video... amazing demo as always. I actually ended up getting a Red Jasper from Free-the-Tone Red, which is not exactly a Klon-clone, but occupies the same space - so to speak. I am absolutely in love with that pedal: it fattens the overall tone, acts as a buffer for my pedalboard, has so much dynamics, is very very touch sensitive and organic, and stacks perfectly well with other drive pedals. Guys, please, please, please, show the amazing japanese pedal makers some love too, there are some pretty amazing stuff coming from them (Free-the-Tone, Human Gear, Shin's Music, Vemuram etc). Cheers!
Six years later and they still all sound nearly identical to me. I guess you'd have had to have been in the room with these guys to hear the differences they were hearing. Josh Scott* did a video on his JHS channel comparing a boatload of Klons and klones, adjusting them to allow for pot tolerances, and got virtual identical responses from pedals priced forty bucks to obscene. I'm happy with my thirty dollar Caline and the TC Zeus Drive which cost me twice as much. The Caline is a bit noisier but, other than that, they both seem to me to do the same thing. *Mr Scott doesn't seem to approve the use of the pedals as boosts and uses them as overdrives, gain at over one o'clock.
I have a Soul Food pedal that I’ve enjoyed. I’m quite satisfied with it. Hearing these pedal in this video, the Tumnus is incredible. It moves up on my list. 👍🏽
Even though I didn't read/comment regarding video suggestions these videos topics are exactly what I have been waiting/looking for! This is the first channel I go to for any pedal vids, and I hope you keep on making videos as you possibly can.
18:06 1st favourite tone the entire video... but we are splitting hairs here aren't we? Lol great video guy! All pedals sound great to my ears, I was listening with headphones... Cheers!
Howdy good sirs! Have you ever considered doing blind tests? I'm not sure if I'm alone in this, but at least for me it would be easier to choose the best sound if name and hype had no influence on my ears. Thanks for considering, cheers:)
UN-possible... That would go contrary to the show's value... It's all about the chemistry between all the musical elements! This amp, that pedal, this guitar... Ultimately, the vibe it inspires. Blind tests activate a different part of the brain.
Once again, another superb demo/analysis. The real surprise to me was Dan's new guitar which I couldn't take my eyes or ears off of... I own both of the Rockett pedals. In the studio, you have to pick between them as they are different, but at a gig any differences are lost in the shuffle. I'd love to see you guys explore why and how wah pedals interact with certain distortion and fuzz pedals (especially fuzz) with often times amazingly crappy results. Thanks for all your efforts.
+Daniel TheGigRig Great episode! Will you be doing a "How to clean gain with volume knob" anytime soon? Theres so much there to explore; treble bleed vs no treble bleed on strats, 50s wiring on a Les Paul vs modern wiring, linear pots vs audio taper. I think Klon type pedals would be perfect for an episode on the subject.
I love the sound of the Klon's. The Archers sound great also but I LOVE my Tumnus Deluxe. You guys should have use one for this demo cause it has the 3 EQ knobs that make it very versatile. Awesome pedal One my favorites! Wampler makes great pedals. I own the 'Ego compressor' also on my board, they are paired with a Keeley Red Dirt, 'MXR Carbon Copy' and a 'Boss EQ' to add more versatility and to tame the tube amp beast for home practice. Cheers guys from the US !! Keep the videos coming. You guys always put out useful knowledge of gear and entertainment!
I have owned the KTR and the Soul Food and currently use a Tumnus and prefer that one over all. To me the Tumnus is closest to the gold Centaur with a touch more low end which is nice. One pedal left out of this, which I wish they had included was the Keeley Oxblood, but otherwise killer demo and I appreciate it!
I can't be the only person who think that Ikon and gold Klon sounded pretty damn close at 13:45~. Tumnus on the other hand, while good sounding, had way too much lows to sound anywhere close to klons. IMO
Hey guys, I'd like to request that you do a big comparison of fuzz pedals in the future. There are so many different types and sounds: the smooth Wampler Velvet Fuzz, the spitty ZVEX Fuzz Factory, variations like the Catalinbread Karma Suture harmonic percolator. Some fuzz pedals have gate and bias knobs. It's a minefield for someone like me who has been playing for 26 years but never owned a fuzz! Cheers.
I too agree with another fuzz episode. But only for selfish fuzz addict reasons. doh! If you are seriously interested in getting to the core of the various vintage fuzz circuits, look up Joe Gore's tonefiend channel on youtube. He has an EXCELLENT three part in depth series comparing all of the various vintage fuzz boxes up to 1969? If you love fuzz its pretty much mandatory viewing.
+ForViewingOnly I agree! a video with perhaps some of the more "out-there" fuzz pedals, and how to tame them - and maybe gain stacking with fuzz.. And perhaps some tips and comparisons of how they react to respectively batteries and power adapters/power supplies. Overall dos and don´ts with fuzz. Cheers!
Loving the SoCo / ESy sounds. Would love to hear it with other types of pedals too. Gary Clark Jr with his full on fuzz springs to mind. Good episode guys, cheers.
Currently have my Soul Food set to a clean boost (low gain, high volume) running into a AC 30 normal channel to boost me up a bit. If i need some dirty dirt dirt, I have a tc electronic dark matter behind it. Love the Klon clone and could not be happier. Especially for 60 bucks!
Just stumbled on you guys. Great videos and very entertaining. No doubt pedals sound different in the hands of different players as well as equipment. Keep it up!
For those on a budget or those experimenting with the idea of buying into this sound, it's very nice. Not Klon territory, it's got it's own flavor. Admittedly didn't work for me and my setups but for someone on a budget, it's a colorful and unique take on the circuit. Ultimately I went for the Wampler as it's much more organic, true to the original and didn't have that weird high-mid bump/fizz thing going on that the Soul Food did.
I use a JHS Modded soul food and it's absolutely the best overdrive for a semi clean amp, kills the 808. I kept both, the 808 for metal. Anyway, the JHS had selectable germanium diodes which makes the soul food go from convincing to uncanny. Love that thing, perfect bright spanky "clean" tones and it works with all guitars equally well.
I was skeptical and passed on the Soul Food at first and went with the Archer. After discovering that I didn't care for the Archer I took a shot with the SF and haven't looked back. I don't care if it's not a faithful klone. It sounds great on its own and makes my other drive pedals sound better when paired up. What more do you want?
Oh man I got my Tumnus today!!!!! It is so glorious! I had never played a klon klone before. It is everything I had been missing in an overdrive. It sounds like it adds the perfect amount of compression even at low gain and low volume. It really does leave you nowhere to hide like you guys said. It somehow adds even more touch sensitivity to my rig. I was playing an old noname (Sound Projects) All-American 5 style amp (tube radio tubes) and it made it sounds like I was playing some $2000+ boutique amp or something. I have the Earthquaker Palisades for my tubescreamer mod+ clone, which has been fun, but I think I must be more of a Klon guy. Thanks for introducing me to it!!
No way dude! That's like saying all beers taste the same... But, I get your point. The differences only really matter in regards to how they affect your playing.
After watching Danish Pete and Captain Anderton do their Klone overdrive shot out. I started searching for other reviews and found good old TPS 🙌🏻 Can’t believe this was 6 year ago, you are both looking fresh 🙂, shows how we are all maturing like a good wine, including me 😉
Dig it! Just want one now. these kinds of shoot outs with direct comparisons are great! very good to know less expensive option available can certainly hold up.
Great news about the new That Pedal Show channel! You'll have to put a link to that in one of the upcoming videos. This is by far my favorite regular show.
So the creator of the Klon has said on record that there is ZERO difference between the gold and silver klons. He simply changed the casing at some point.
A great demo to prove the overpriced Klon will only sit in your signal chain if you tweak it right.... the same as other klones do. Klon is a rip-off: Josh at JHS will a/b any of his creations against other pedals, and because of that I have faith in JHS... but Bill Finnegan is too scared to a/b his Klon... he’s a weak hermit for good reason.
toetappin bob To be fair the hype over the Klon Centaur wasn’t really Bill’s doing and most of the people profiting off the back of the product are the people who own them rather than Bill himself. When they were in “production” by Bill originally they were fairly reasonably priced according to the custom or relatively expensive components, construction methods by Bill, etc. Now he is producing them again in very occasional almost one-offs and selling them typically according to eBay bidding, so they’re expensive again as they’re obviously competing against the price for the original run second hand units. Personally I’d prefer the original creator to make that profit rather than a lucky owner/collector. I understand your viewpoint of the price of Klon’s not being justifiable in the second hand market but I don’t understand the need you seem to have to attack Bill himself? None of this is his fault. 🤷🏼♂️
The humble Soul Food isn’t exactly as good as the real Klons, but for $70 gets you 90% there. Pretty good design, and EHX has sold a million of them. Klon tones on the budget menu.
When I first plugged in the Tumnus at home it sounded okay. When I used it on stage, that’s when I “got it”. Now I never turn it off. It makes everything sound better and more alive. It cuts through the densest mix without sounding hyped. It’s the drive for people who hate drive pedals and love their amp tone but need a little more hair on the note. Internally it runs at 18 volts and the drive knob is actually a mix knob. That’s what I call “transparent”. The buffer alone is worth the price of admission. I would not want this pedal in true bypass. Love it.
Great Video guys! Keep it up. Thoroughly enjoyable, fun, and really it helps many of us avoid making mistakes in our purchases as so many company's attempt to lure us towards pedals based solely on price. Thx again.
Great video as usual guys, just a little disappointed that you guys didn't play the Soul Food as much as the rest, how does the Soul Food compare with the original klons?
Great video. I was going to get a silver archer for Christmas but I will get the Wampler Tumnus now. To my ears it sounded the best. Thanks for the demo I hadn't considered the tumnus till your video.
Love the Show. Watch you guys Constantly. I am Absolutely Addicted. It's Phenomenal. ( However ) There is 1 way to Improve upon it. Is there a way, to Normalize the Volume? ( between the speaking parts & playing parts ) as often-times, I am watching at 2am - and find-myself: Constantly Adjusting the Volume to hear you guys Speak vs. the Actual Playing segments. Keep it Up. I Never want this to end. Even the AB Comparisons are Fantastic. Best Show on You Tube ( for me ). - Michael Caz - NYC -
I have a Soul Food. I'll admit the treble knob is really tricky and can make your tone sound really harsh if not put in the right setting. But everything else is a win with that pedal. 60 bucks got me a really good od tone plus a built-in buffer, which saved me the money I was gonna spend on a separate buffer. it's a great deal.
I feel they didn't pay enough attention to it because it's cheap and widely available. There is a certain amount of snobbery involved here, in case it's not overtly noticeable.
I disagree on it being non transparent. When using it with a clean channel with headroom I can get dirty and clean clarity. Even with a solid state amp. Level around 10 ish to match clean guitar level, tone at 1130 drive at 2:00. Decrease drive and increase level with a tube amp to taste for clean OD. I get everything from andy summers clean to bb king blues with the pedal. The only downside is the treble can escalate when cranking the drive.
Hey Daniel and Mick. Brilliant presentation guys. Thank you for going into detail on the these pedals. Daniel you are a tone genius. I have the Gold Ikon Archer. Cheers.
Boys I think I have now watched every vid - great work here and same on Guitarist... Next step is recreating some iconic tones... Page, Beck, Clapton, Keef, Gilmour, Townsend, SRV, Hendrix, Eddie, Summers, Edge ... One video per artist
6:38 He was definitely about to jump this dudes bones. About to drop the D, and I ain’t talking about pitch. They’d probably integrate the guitar into it as well. Put the headstock where the sun don’t shine. These two are playing with a lot more than guitars around here. The heart wants what the heart wants. You can’t true bypass that.
Never ever set the knobs in the same place. To compare these pedals you have to dial in the treble content and the dirt/gain content to match what you are hearing EXACTLY ( with eyes closed perhaps ) Then compare whats different about the two pedals in every way from there. Simply having a knob at noon doesnt allow for part tolerances and also where the pot is tightened against the box in orientation. Cool video and I enjoy the relaxed vibe of things.. but its unfair to compare two pedals.. ( even if they are the same exact pedals ) based on where the knobs are pointing.
Shane Conaway they spent their time on the gold clon because they'd borrowed it, this kind of thing is very hard to guage the hype of klon is ridiculous the soul food is close enough for me, they've increased by about £30 since I bought mine but its still half the price of the archer and everyone gets a crack at the klon which is good I think because nothing should be exclusive to only those that can afford.
Well done, fellas. Top-notch production. Love the video overlays highlighting which pedal is being used, and the recording quality with compressor; voice comes right through and amps are clear and articulate. As for the pedals, themselves, well... awesome. Great choice of guitars and amps for evaluation. I got a lot more than I expected from this survey. I was just recently lamenting not having a low-to-moderate overdrive sound that yields great touch-responsiveness and transparency (seems that term is often overused/overhyped, but is clearly warranted in the discussion of these pedals). You guys have given me a new itch to scratch! Oh, by the way, really nice playing from both of you, as well. Relevant and tasty. Rock on.
So basically the Tumnus nails the Gold and the RYRA nails the Silver. I shut my eyes when you went back and forth between those pairs and was wrong several times, especially thinking the Tumnus was the Gold. I'm ordering one now.
So, to sum it up: the Klons both sound very throaty, lush, hairy. The Archer has less mids and a clearer sound. The Soul Food sounds slightly harsh in the upper mids/treble, especially with the gain turned up, and is clearer than an original Klon. The Tumnus is closest to the original Klon to me, more hairy and less clear than the Archer, also more bass.
Tumnus seems to be very close to the gold Klon. Great format as well. Just curious, isn't the volume roll off on your Krautser II not working better because it uses a treble bleed? Fibenare which I play also use treble bleeds and I think I've read something about the Krauster II using it as well? :)
It was said on the 5150 video but I have to echo it here - how refreshing to see comparisons where you tweak the knobs to try and match the sounds as close as possible and not just 'everything at 12'. Best videos ever - thanks gents
I had the good fortune to be able to do this same comparison at my local guitar store, and I preferred the KTR. They all had slightly different tone between the Klons, but I liked the ktr the best. I didn't care for the Archers.
Ok, so... after watching this I was sure to take home a Tumnus. I wanted a Tumnus, but in the end- I got an Ikon. I don't know what it is, but everything from Soulshine to Sweet Child O' Mine sounded killer through it & my Marshall. I can't explain it; maybe I fell for the hype, I don't know. What I do know is that the Ikon works, for me.Thank you. You guys are all I watch now!
Great vid. I'd been looking to get a decent Klon-type pedal for a while. Other videos had led me to reject the Soul Food, although I was considering the Turnip Greens for the reverb option given the price. Your vid narrowed things down to the Archer Ikon and the Wampler Tumnus. The Tumnus seemed a little bass heavy but given Brian Wampler's near fanatical quest for great tone I figured that was as much down to your setup as it was the pedal. So I waited until the Tumnus came into stock and was about to pull the trigger when ....... I found a second-hand Archer Ikon at a friendly price on Ebay. I am very happy with the purchase. I used your comments during the video as well as from others online to set the pedal up and got that very unforgiving yet guitar friendly tone that the Klon(e) is renowned for. Thanks. :)
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So, I was really confused for a second on why the silver Klon had a tap tempo light.. Took me 10 minutes to realize it was the camera reflection
John M same
It took me 10 minutes after reading your comment that it was the red camera light xDD
You can tap the tempo of the odd order harmonics
@@30smsuperstrat Lol
Internal LED light in a Klon ! LMFAO But, I see it too now ;-)
Why am I sitting around with a 2nd kidney like a sucker when I could be the proud owner of a silver Klon?
TheParanoidAndroid79 buy the Soul Food for $70 you can keep your kidney and have a Klon
Eddy Priest Happy Soul Food owner here, I second your statement.
I'm not shure about the soul food but I think they mentioned that the Tumnus was quieter (not to mention its bottom end) so the Klons totaly lost. And if you factor in that the Soul food even if its not an improvement like the Tumnus is, costs only 70 bucks.....why on Earth would you lose a kidney for a Klon?
That profile pic! 🖖🏽😂
Me Hats Crooked
Great Video!~ I am glad you guys love RYRA
The Klone!
I've said it before and I'll say it again..Brian Wampler fu*kin' ROCKS..
Wampler make up the core of my board.. Essential..
+Clive Barnes Thanks! :)
+Wampler Pedals pinnacle is my main distortion , won't be getting replaced anytime soon!
+Wampler Pedals time to sell my archer ikon and get the tumnus
+wingee plexi drive and clarksdale here. I hope this stacks nicely with my clarksdale
Brian Wampler is the man, plus nearly all his pedals can come in mini's! Got the mini ego, ace 30 and saving for the tummus...my board is heading the same way.
This episode is one of the greatest in the entire history of TPS. Playing is so good, sounds killer, guitars just ace and the chemistry of these lads extraordinary. Btw, Tumnus was and is my choice of klonextravaganza.
I think this is an instance where TH-cam's compression really shows its affects here. I would love it if we could get access to higher quality audio.
I have used the soul food for a couple of years. Very happy with it.
They all sound great, especially the Gold Archer and the Tumnus (as clones)... But, I think the Gold Archer would sit (and cut) better in an ensemble context. The low-end of that Tumnus might get muddy outside of a trio set up. If you added keys and second guitar to that trio, things get cloudy quick without space and EQ... I guess it all depends on the style of music, the amp, and the EQ... Just a practical thought, because what sounds good to you in your room doesn't always translate on stage with others...
That's a good point! Adding to that : 99% of the time in a live setting, sound engineers will hit the low cut button or will attenuate as high as 150 hz because that's where the low end for the bass and the kick drum is. But yeah, everyone's usage is different. I would set the Tumnus as a 2nd overdrive with a little mid boost and the gain set to 12o'clock to get a dirtier sound because it would cut into a live band setting.
100% correct!
I though for half the video that the silver Klon had a blinking red light showing through from behind the metal cover. DOH!
andrewt248 same
the same :D:D:D
Aw, man... Too funny!!!
7 years later it is still one of your best ! We could use a refresh with the new ones that had come since then. You guys rock !
Cheers mate 🤓🙏
Agreed. Need help choosing Ceriatone Centura or Ryra
CS Lewis likes the one on the left.
+andrewt248 Wonder how many other people got the reference lol
+NightwishLover chyea!
andrewt248 LMFAO took me a minute
I agree with Jack
Hi abbel
I bought a soul food based on price. And I was more than satisfied. I use it as a solo boost. Works perfectly.
same, once I figured out how to get the best from it anyway!
Not a fair comparison of the soul fool. The tone control is set much higher than the others. No wonder it sounds brighter.
Killer episode, but by far my favourite part is the advice, 'If your audience is turning off, play less not more.' Wow! That is a very deep and amazing piece of information that I will hopefully digest. Thank you Mick and Mick's friend. As much as the insight into klon/klones is brilliant, that little nugget is going to last me much longer than a pedal. Gratci, gratci!
wow, really impressed by that little tumnus pedal. Brian Wampler strikes again! Great job guys!
+Steve Rayburn Thanks Steve! :)
I have a Fender twin reverb amp, very very clean, so I put the Tumnus at the end of my dirt pedals and keep it on all the time. sounds killer on its own, and with other OD pedals it sounds incredible.
Surprisingly the Klone sounds the best to me. It sounds so much thicker and fuller than the klon. The Tumnus is really impressive too.
For my money I would have to specifically shoot out the Tumnus and the Ikon. I would probably end up with the Wampler because it just comes alive at higher gain levels but sounds authentic when it's down low. Also I love Brian's work so ya!
The RYRA Klone! I love that thing. Thanks for including it. :)
Omg the tumnus is pure golden tone! Love it much more than the original klon 😱
My experience has been that as a player, I can get a great tone out of a pedal/amp/guitar by myself but once in a band mix, the perception changes drastically. I suppose the Klon/Klone mythos relies primarily on what it does to your tone in a band mix situation. Any chance of repeating this demo/shootout with some backing tracks including drums, bass, and a rhythm guitar? I suppose that would be the ultimate demonstration of which of these get the job done.
I am truly curious to see just how much of a difference would be discernible in a live mix, pound for pound. They are all so close in this setting that it still challenges a seasoned ear to hear the subtle nuances between them, but then adding in a band with the interplay of frequencies vs. the slightly different tonal characteristics cutting through.
Part of me thinks it would be even more difficult to pick out those same differences, though I feel as if certain pedals may actually surprise us when the amps are pushed to a higher volume in a live band mix.
Amen
This kind of thing is so subjective, each person hears something they like more than another. For me I liked the Wampler pedal the best, but the Soul Food wins because it sounds great and is so damn inexpensive.
you are right. Hell, I cant stand their clean tones because humbuckers sound like mud to be, to dark. That is just my opinion though
Ya know...we all have our struggles. Body aches & pains, a loved lost, poverty in some form or fashion. However, when you have at least 20 very cool amps, literally hundreds of pedals and a good buddy to jam with, all those big, bad problems get lost in the darkest corner of the practice room.
I'd like to think someones pedalboard looks like this
Chandler Crane all stacked at once
😂😂😂
Billy Gibbons way of using Klons and Klones. 5 in a row all on. Transparent distortion 😁
John mayers probably looks a bit like that
Mine does.
31:30 Larry Carlton! Nicely done indeed. LOL, I think your tones overall are darker then I'm usually allotted to, you 2 certainly play marvelous. But for me the EHX Soul Food is probably more to my usual recipe, but, as you point out so well, there is a bit of secret sauce compression going on, especially in the original Klons. And you shared several other tonal secrets in this episode so thank you again
"As we stare gazingly in to each others eyes"???? I think you mean "As we gaze lovingly in to each others eyes"... Either way, its a beautiful relation you guys. Let me know when I need to buy a new hat ;)
Oh Captain my Captain this made me laugh lol
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+Sam Sham nah bro this is that pedal show
Hey Captain, why are Klon Centaur so expensive? It's just circuitry. If it's possible to truly "clone" the circuit, then what are people shelling out three thousand clams FOR? The faceplate? If it's NOT possible to truly clone the circuit however, why not? If it's just circuitry after all. Is there some two-thousand-dollar capacitor in there or something? I don't understand! I heard that Klon last night through a LP on your channel last night, and it made me jump in the air! So I looked it up, and WTFFFF!
@@CraigFlowersMusic TL/DR: the design is inventive and the product sounds good, and there are only around 8000 units in the world, so that is probably the main factor justifying the price.
Long answer: The Klon was one of the very first truly boutique pedals. The guy who created and hand-made each of these pedals used to take orders on the phone, he wanted to hear what a potential customer expected to make sure the Klon was something for them; then the sold product was shipped via post. This went on for a few years. It used to cost under 300 dollars new, hand-made. Over time, more and more guitarists started to consider it a "secret weapon", because it sounded different from the usual go-to, mid-boosty overdrive pedals (e.g. TubeScreamer) at the time. It ended up landing on the pedalboards of some famous artists, which increased demand for the product. The guy couldn't produce them by hand anymore in a timely fashion, and refused to have it produced by some contracted factory. Eventually he stopped selling them, after shipping around 8000 units total.
So there you have one justifiable explanation for the price: there are only a few in the world, and if you want to have "the true thing that was touched by the hands of the artist", you have to pay top dollar for it. The guy tried to protect his invention buy covering the circuit with hard black epoxi. Ever since, some people "destroyed" their Klons to see what was underneath it, and the circuit has been known for many years. You can check its schematic and analysis in a website called electrosmash dot com and see that it is indeed a very inventive and original design -- which can be copied and replicated, in theory. The original creator states that he bought a very large number of old, vintage, no longer produced electrical components that are the "fairy dust" responsible for the unique sound, but this is higly debatable. Moreover, some highly regarded pedal designers like to point out that the "magical" components are not even relevant if the Klon is used only as a booster, which is how most people like to use the pedal.
I just got my Tumnus! Its my 3rd Wampler pedal and I personally think they are light years ahead in terms of tone. Thank you guys for the video. You are always bringing very helpful comparisons that every guitarist would like to do! You have the best jobs in the world!
Brian is one smart bugger! Tumnus sounds great!
+picklemetro Thanks! :)
*****
haha! Thanks man
+Wampler Pedals How close is that? Nailed it. Another one on the shopping list!
+Wethewax hahaha, from one Star Wars nerd to another, that was hilarious.
Josh ain't doin' to bad himself. I got the Meat and 3 modded Soul Food on my board.
I never thought I actually needed a Klon-style pedal until I saw this video... amazing demo as always.
I actually ended up getting a Red Jasper from Free-the-Tone Red, which is not exactly a Klon-clone, but occupies the same space - so to speak. I am absolutely in love with that pedal: it fattens the overall tone, acts as a buffer for my pedalboard, has so much dynamics, is very very touch sensitive and organic, and stacks perfectly well with other drive pedals.
Guys, please, please, please, show the amazing japanese pedal makers some love too, there are some pretty amazing stuff coming from them (Free-the-Tone, Human Gear, Shin's Music, Vemuram etc). Cheers!
Tumnus - 4:53
Soul Food - 5:40
Silver Archer - 5:48
Ikon - 5:58
Silver Klon - 6:03
Gold Klon - 6:13
Rock Your Repaired Amp - 6:25
Six years later and they still all sound nearly identical to me. I guess you'd have had to have been in the room with these guys to hear the differences they were hearing.
Josh Scott* did a video on his JHS channel comparing a boatload of Klons and klones, adjusting them to allow for pot tolerances, and got virtual identical responses from pedals priced forty bucks to obscene.
I'm happy with my thirty dollar Caline and the TC Zeus Drive which cost me twice as much. The Caline is a bit noisier but, other than that, they both seem to me to do the same thing.
*Mr Scott doesn't seem to approve the use of the pedals as boosts and uses them as overdrives, gain at over one o'clock.
I have a Soul Food pedal that I’ve enjoyed. I’m quite satisfied with it. Hearing these pedal in this video, the Tumnus is incredible. It moves up on my list. 👍🏽
Great video
22:30 for the tl:dw version
Even though I didn't read/comment regarding video suggestions these videos topics are exactly what I have been waiting/looking for! This is the first channel I go to for any pedal vids, and I hope you keep on making videos as you possibly can.
All very close but only one can be bought for around £60!!
18:06 1st favourite tone the entire video... but we are splitting hairs here aren't we? Lol great video guy! All pedals sound great to my ears, I was listening with headphones... Cheers!
Tumnus was the Fawn Centaur in The Lion, the Witch & the Wardrobe, fwiw.
You sold me on the Tumnus!! Thanks for great comparison!
Howdy good sirs! Have you ever considered doing blind tests? I'm not sure if I'm alone in this, but at least for me it would be easier to choose the best sound if name and hype had no influence on my ears. Thanks for considering, cheers:)
UN-possible... That would go contrary to the show's value... It's all about the chemistry between all the musical elements! This amp, that pedal, this guitar... Ultimately, the vibe it inspires. Blind tests activate a different part of the brain.
Once again, another superb demo/analysis. The real surprise to me was Dan's new guitar which I couldn't take my eyes or ears off of... I own both of the Rockett pedals. In the studio, you have to pick between them as they are different, but at a gig any differences are lost in the shuffle. I'd love to see you guys explore why and how wah pedals interact with certain distortion and fuzz pedals (especially fuzz) with often times amazingly crappy results. Thanks for all your efforts.
Watching again....5 years later
keep coming back to this 6 yrs later.
+Daniel TheGigRig
Great episode! Will you be doing a "How to clean gain with volume knob" anytime soon? Theres so much there to explore; treble bleed vs no treble bleed on strats, 50s wiring on a Les Paul vs modern wiring, linear pots vs audio taper. I think Klon type pedals would be perfect for an episode on the subject.
I love the sound of the Klon's. The Archers sound great also but I LOVE my Tumnus Deluxe. You guys should have use one for this demo cause it has the 3 EQ knobs that make it very versatile. Awesome pedal One my favorites! Wampler makes great pedals. I own the 'Ego compressor' also on my board, they are paired with a Keeley Red Dirt, 'MXR Carbon Copy' and a 'Boss EQ' to add more versatility and to tame the tube amp beast for home practice. Cheers guys from the US !! Keep the videos coming. You guys always put out useful knowledge of gear and entertainment!
I have owned the KTR and the Soul Food and currently use a Tumnus and prefer that one over all. To me the Tumnus is closest to the gold Centaur with a touch more low end which is nice. One pedal left out of this, which I wish they had included was the Keeley Oxblood, but otherwise killer demo and I appreciate it!
Awesome guys! Best episode thus far in my opinion.
Would be great to see an episode on reverbs for the ambient/post-rock-ish crowd.
Cheers!
I can't be the only person who think that Ikon and gold Klon sounded pretty damn close at 13:45~.
Tumnus on the other hand, while good sounding, had way too much lows to sound anywhere close to klons. IMO
I really appreciate the use of two different styles of guitars here. I know I complained about it before but I was mistaken! THANKS
Hey guys, I'd like to request that you do a big comparison of fuzz pedals in the future. There are so many different types and sounds: the smooth Wampler Velvet Fuzz, the spitty ZVEX Fuzz Factory, variations like the Catalinbread Karma Suture harmonic percolator. Some fuzz pedals have gate and bias knobs. It's a minefield for someone like me who has been playing for 26 years but never owned a fuzz! Cheers.
+ForViewingOnly I would like another big fuzz comparison. If you dont know, they have already made one :-)
I too agree with another fuzz episode. But only for selfish fuzz addict reasons. doh! If you are seriously interested in getting to the core of the various vintage fuzz circuits, look up Joe Gore's tonefiend channel on youtube. He has an EXCELLENT three part in depth series comparing all of the various vintage fuzz boxes up to 1969? If you love fuzz its pretty much mandatory viewing.
+brian patrick The channel is called: tonefiend by joe gore.
+Karl-Henrik Arendt Well they did muff style pedals comparison and thats only one style of fuzzes as we all know
+ForViewingOnly I agree! a video with perhaps some of the more "out-there" fuzz pedals, and how to tame them - and maybe gain stacking with fuzz.. And perhaps some tips and comparisons of how they react to respectively batteries and power adapters/power supplies. Overall dos and don´ts with fuzz. Cheers!
Loving the SoCo / ESy sounds. Would love to hear it with other types of pedals too. Gary Clark Jr with his full on fuzz springs to mind.
Good episode guys, cheers.
Currently have my Soul Food set to a clean boost (low gain, high volume) running into a AC 30 normal channel to boost me up a bit. If i need some dirty dirt dirt, I have a tc electronic dark matter behind it. Love the Klon clone and could not be happier. Especially for 60 bucks!
I use a Soul food to tighten up my op amp big muff. Works beautifully.
Just stumbled on you guys. Great videos and very entertaining. No doubt pedals sound different in the hands of different players as well as equipment. Keep it up!
Great video guys, but why haven't you included the Blah Clone?
well done as per usual. looking forward to the new year. i also need one of those pedal show t-shirts!
Soul Food is a total sleeper pedal. Paint it and tell someone it's a more expensive clone and they'll love the shit out of it haha.
so true. its amazing for the price
For those on a budget or those experimenting with the idea of buying into this sound, it's very nice. Not Klon territory, it's got it's own flavor. Admittedly didn't work for me and my setups but for someone on a budget, it's a colorful and unique take on the circuit. Ultimately I went for the Wampler as it's much more organic, true to the original and didn't have that weird high-mid bump/fizz thing going on that the Soul Food did.
I use a JHS Modded soul food and it's absolutely the best overdrive for a semi clean amp, kills the 808. I kept both, the 808 for metal. Anyway, the JHS had selectable germanium diodes which makes the soul food go from convincing to uncanny. Love that thing, perfect bright spanky "clean" tones and it works with all guitars equally well.
I personally think they didn't pick a cool enough name/design. It's the only thing holding it back.
I was skeptical and passed on the Soul Food at first and went with the Archer. After discovering that I didn't care for the Archer I took a shot with the SF and haven't looked back. I don't care if it's not a faithful klone. It sounds great on its own and makes my other drive pedals sound better when paired up. What more do you want?
Oh man I got my Tumnus today!!!!! It is so glorious! I had never played a klon klone before. It is everything I had been missing in an overdrive. It sounds like it adds the perfect amount of compression even at low gain and low volume. It really does leave you nowhere to hide like you guys said. It somehow adds even more touch sensitivity to my rig. I was playing an old noname (Sound Projects) All-American 5 style amp (tube radio tubes) and it made it sounds like I was playing some $2000+ boutique amp or something.
I have the Earthquaker Palisades for my tubescreamer mod+ clone, which has been fun, but I think I must be more of a Klon guy. Thanks for introducing me to it!!
+Jonathan Davis our pleasure Jonathan. Make sure you subscribe to the new channel :)
You two are the absolute best.
So great to see you guys had a great time doing this video...
Daniel that guitar is SPECIAL....!
They all sound the same to me!
No way dude! That's like saying all beers taste the same... But, I get your point. The differences only really matter in regards to how they affect your playing.
@@albertplaysguitar in terms of the tone you are trying to achieve they all can do it. Non are bad
THEN YOU ARE IN LUCK.........SAVED THOUSANDS..
AGREED VERY LITTLE DIFFERENCE WHY WASTE SO MUCH TIME WITH YOUR LIFE GO OUT AND PLAY AND RIGHT MUSIC,
@@denieledwards6893 I prefer to wrong music
After watching Danish Pete and Captain Anderton do their Klone overdrive shot out. I started searching for other reviews and found good old TPS 🙌🏻
Can’t believe this was 6 year ago, you are both looking fresh 🙂, shows how we are all maturing like a good wine, including me 😉
The Tumnus is gonna be my next buy!
It's killer
+The Captivated me too
+The Captivated Holy crap it's good.
Dig it! Just want one now. these kinds of shoot outs with direct comparisons are great!
very good to know less expensive option available can certainly hold up.
The gold Archer is my favorite in there, also like the tumnus and the gold klon, i think i like gold stuff lol
Great video guys! Thanks for the help. I'm feeling the Tumnus too!
JHS Sould Food for me. Heard it not too long ago and was completely sold on it.
Great news about the new That Pedal Show channel! You'll have to put a link to that in one of the upcoming videos. This is by far my favorite regular show.
So the creator of the Klon has said on record that there is ZERO difference between the gold and silver klons. He simply changed the casing at some point.
Bill Finnegan's said a lot of things about his pedals over the years. It has done little or nothing to dispel the mystique.
Yeah, but as Greg Koch says so often, there is such a thing as a “tone hue”!! So colour makes a difference 😉
A great demo to prove the overpriced Klon will only sit in your signal chain if you tweak it right.... the same as other klones do.
Klon is a rip-off: Josh at JHS will a/b any of his creations against other pedals, and because of that I have faith in JHS... but Bill Finnegan is too scared to a/b his Klon... he’s a weak hermit for good reason.
toetappin bob To be fair the hype over the Klon Centaur wasn’t really Bill’s doing and most of the people profiting off the back of the product are the people who own them rather than Bill himself. When they were in “production” by Bill originally they were fairly reasonably priced according to the custom or relatively expensive components, construction methods by Bill, etc. Now he is producing them again in very occasional almost one-offs and selling them typically according to eBay bidding, so they’re expensive again as they’re obviously competing against the price for the original run second hand units. Personally I’d prefer the original creator to make that profit rather than a lucky owner/collector. I understand your viewpoint of the price of Klon’s not being justifiable in the second hand market but I don’t understand the need you seem to have to attack Bill himself? None of this is his fault. 🤷🏼♂️
toetappin bob Jesus, man. It’s just a guitar pedal. No need to personally attack the guy who designed it.
Great very useful vid!Helped me decide on the Tumnus.That thing edged it for me.Sounds great 👍🏻
The humble Soul Food isn’t exactly as good as the real Klons, but for $70 gets you 90% there. Pretty good design, and EHX has sold a million of them. Klon tones on the budget menu.
the 10% missing is the case, knobs and bragging rights
Dan, great playing at 18:44 and Mick at 13:53 and on.
When I first plugged in the Tumnus at home it sounded okay. When I used it on stage, that’s when I “got it”. Now I never turn it off. It makes everything sound better and more alive. It cuts through the densest mix without sounding hyped. It’s the drive for people who hate drive pedals and love their amp tone but need a little more hair on the note. Internally it runs at 18 volts and the drive knob is actually a mix knob. That’s what I call “transparent”. The buffer alone is worth the price of admission. I would not want this pedal in true bypass. Love it.
What amp and guitar you used it with?
Tells us more...
Great Video guys! Keep it up. Thoroughly enjoyable, fun, and really it helps many of us avoid making mistakes in our purchases as so many company's attempt to lure us towards pedals based solely on price. Thx again.
Great video as usual guys, just a little disappointed that you guys didn't play the Soul Food as much as the rest, how does the Soul Food compare with the original klons?
Great video. I was going to get a silver archer for Christmas but I will get the Wampler Tumnus now. To my ears it sounded the best. Thanks for the demo I hadn't considered the tumnus till your video.
Love the Show. Watch you guys Constantly. I am Absolutely Addicted. It's Phenomenal. ( However ) There is 1 way to Improve upon it. Is there a way, to Normalize the Volume? ( between the speaking parts & playing parts ) as often-times, I am watching at 2am - and find-myself: Constantly Adjusting the Volume to hear you guys Speak vs. the Actual Playing segments. Keep it Up.
I Never want this to end. Even the AB Comparisons are Fantastic. Best Show on You Tube ( for me ). - Michael Caz - NYC -
Thanks Guys!!! Thinks me needs one of each!!!!
I have a Soul Food. I'll admit the treble knob is really tricky and can make your tone sound really harsh if not put in the right setting. But everything else is a win with that pedal. 60 bucks got me a really good od tone plus a built-in buffer, which saved me the money I was gonna spend on a separate buffer. it's a great deal.
I feel they didn't pay enough attention to it because it's cheap and widely available. There is a certain amount of snobbery involved here, in case it's not overtly noticeable.
+Christian Augustin I also own a Soul Food, it's decent for it's price but it's a failure as a transparent overdrive.
I disagree on it being non transparent. When using it with a clean channel with headroom I can get dirty and clean clarity. Even with a solid state amp. Level around 10 ish to match clean guitar level, tone at 1130 drive at 2:00. Decrease drive and increase level with a tube amp to taste for clean OD. I get everything from andy summers clean to bb king blues with the pedal. The only downside is the treble can escalate when cranking the drive.
Some lovely playing during the comparisons mick
Finally, I've just bought a Tumnus. Greeeeeeeat pedal!
@Daniel HallIt sounds really nice. I'll upload a video playing with it and some cool guitars on my channel asap. ;)
Hey Daniel and Mick. Brilliant presentation guys. Thank you for going into detail on the these pedals. Daniel you are a tone genius. I have the Gold Ikon Archer. Cheers.
long loving gaze at 7 mins 20 seconds! ! lol caught ya
I think I am now completely in love with that Nik Huber. There were pedals? Sorry I got a bit focussed on the wrong thing..... droooooooooooooool
Boys I think I have now watched every vid - great work here and same on Guitarist... Next step is recreating some iconic tones... Page, Beck, Clapton, Keef, Gilmour, Townsend, SRV, Hendrix, Eddie, Summers, Edge ... One video per artist
Great review for sure .. I just wish you guys dimed the gain on all the pedals as well.
6:38 He was definitely about to jump this dudes bones. About to drop the D, and I ain’t talking about pitch. They’d probably integrate the guitar into it as well. Put the headstock where the sun don’t shine. These two are playing with a lot more than guitars around here. The heart wants what the heart wants. You can’t true bypass that.
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Wtfffff 😂😂😂
One of the best TH-cam channel, I LOVE watch your videos, anything. :-)
Never ever set the knobs in the same place. To compare these pedals you have to dial in the treble content and the dirt/gain content to match what you are hearing EXACTLY ( with eyes closed perhaps ) Then compare whats different about the two pedals in every way from there. Simply having a knob at noon doesnt allow for part tolerances and also where the pot is tightened against the box in orientation. Cool video and I enjoy the relaxed vibe of things.. but its unfair to compare two pedals.. ( even if they are the same exact pedals ) based on where the knobs are pointing.
Exactly! They didnt give the soul food a fair shake with its tone at noon. They had some of them as low as 10 o'clock.
Shane Conaway they spent their time on the gold clon because they'd borrowed it, this kind of thing is very hard to guage the hype of klon is ridiculous the soul food is close enough for me, they've increased by about £30 since I bought mine but its still half the price of the archer and everyone gets a crack at the klon which is good I think because nothing should be exclusive to only those that can afford.
Well done, fellas. Top-notch production. Love the video overlays highlighting which pedal is being used, and the recording quality with compressor; voice comes right through and amps are clear and articulate. As for the pedals, themselves, well... awesome. Great choice of guitars and amps for evaluation. I got a lot more than I expected from this survey. I was just recently lamenting not having a low-to-moderate overdrive sound that yields great touch-responsiveness and transparency (seems that term is often overused/overhyped, but is clearly warranted in the discussion of these pedals). You guys have given me a new itch to scratch! Oh, by the way, really nice playing from both of you, as well. Relevant and tasty. Rock on.
So basically the Tumnus nails the Gold and the RYRA nails the Silver. I shut my eyes when you went back and forth between those pairs and was wrong several times, especially thinking the Tumnus was the Gold. I'm ordering one now.
You guys had some fun with the tumnus... I may get one... really liked it!!!
You rock!!
Cheers from Brazil!!
So, to sum it up: the Klons both sound very throaty, lush, hairy. The Archer has less mids and a clearer sound. The Soul Food sounds slightly harsh in the upper mids/treble, especially with the gain turned up, and is clearer than an original Klon. The Tumnus is closest to the original Klon to me, more hairy and less clear than the Archer, also more bass.
Luv it guys! Keep it up. Micks tasty licks off the chain on this one!
Tumnus seems to be very close to the gold Klon. Great format as well. Just curious, isn't the volume roll off on your Krautser II not working better because it uses a treble bleed? Fibenare which I play also use treble bleeds and I think I've read something about the Krauster II using it as well? :)
+Harry Maes good to see you're watching these guys as well! i've checked out and liked a lot of your demoes! especially the wampler velvet fuzz ;-)
+TheYearThree Thanks!
It was said on the 5150 video but I have to echo it here - how refreshing to see comparisons where you tweak the knobs to try and match the sounds as close as possible and not just 'everything at 12'. Best videos ever - thanks gents
Not sure if anybody has mentioned how the Klon centaur stacks with other pedals so amazingly
I had the good fortune to be able to do this same comparison at my local guitar store, and I preferred the KTR. They all had slightly different tone between the Klons, but I liked the ktr the best. I didn't care for the Archers.
The Emperor's New Klons.
Ok, so... after watching this I was sure to take home a Tumnus. I wanted a Tumnus, but in the end- I got an Ikon. I don't know what it is, but everything from Soulshine to Sweet Child O' Mine sounded killer through it & my Marshall. I can't explain it; maybe I fell for the hype, I don't know. What I do know is that the Ikon works, for me.Thank you. You guys are all I watch now!
+pat dixon great work Pat, if it works for you, you're on a winner
At 5:15 Mick can tell the difference between the Klon and the Soul Food.
Great vid. I'd been looking to get a decent Klon-type pedal for a while. Other videos had led me to reject the Soul Food, although I was considering the Turnip Greens for the reverb option given the price. Your vid narrowed things down to the Archer Ikon and the Wampler Tumnus. The Tumnus seemed a little bass heavy but given Brian Wampler's near fanatical quest for great tone I figured that was as much down to your setup as it was the pedal. So I waited until the Tumnus came into stock and was about to pull the trigger when ....... I found a second-hand Archer Ikon at a friendly price on Ebay. I am very happy with the purchase. I used your comments during the video as well as from others online to set the pedal up and got that very unforgiving yet guitar friendly tone that the Klon(e) is renowned for. Thanks. :)
+great work Kevin Betts , glad we could help in some small way