I kinda love how Seth is "secretly" WAY faster than a lot of his opponents. Like, we're talking about a difference of 10+ minutes on the clock that gets hidden by editing.
In fairness to his opponents, I'd be in the tank for a while too if I Thoughtseize'd and saw a Seth Spicy Meatball! If I saw a Whitemane Lion I would absolutely assume there's a combo kill somewhere... right?
I think its also that Seth is actually really good at playing Magic :) often he just outplays his opponent, which helps a lot with winning with budget decks. Its a fun series!
Most of my decks are cheap, I have revised duals collecting dust and some even more rare and costly cards, but mono and having sets of 4 make it much more reliable. Normally after turn 4 you are dead or I am. Unless white I can still rage against your life gain and walk away with the win.
Smallpox actually makes a lot of sense with reanimator. The opponent was putting in effort to essentially keep the game on turns 1-3, and being able to reanimate for cheap with persist while also keeping your opponent stripped for resources is neat synergy.
43:39 this is exactly why you don't scoop, so glad you didn't. You gotta make them show you they have it, and play to your outs. Glad you are scooping less often, buddy!
You really need to up the Modern budget to $150. The Shadowlands go from useless to great as soon as you add Shocklands to the mix. You drastically improve consistency and you're still saving for a whole other deck by not playing Fetchlands.
There's probably a pretty solid argument for increasing the budget a big based on how much deck prices have increased. We've been using the same $100 budget for 6 years, while Modern deck prices have increased a lot during that time.
@@MTGGoldfish I suppose even “budgets” are not immune to inflation. I honestly agree though, that extra wiggle room can be huge for creating interesting brews i feel. Though the limitation of trying to make something competitive and cheap really does lead to super interesting creativity, the overall costs to stay competitive keep going up.
Love to see another mtg content creator that actually is playing for fun and isnt salty at all. Played a similar one with 2 divine visitations as a curve topper for some extra sweetness. Keep on rocking mate :)
@@funkydiscogod Both Sigardian Evangel (4x) and Suntail Squadron (2x) would be great I think! I would look at Evangel as the main Monument creature, then play Aviary Mechanic or Kor Skyfisher as secondary one. I wanna try the deck after the holidays, for now I just tried quickly designing it, here is what I came up with: -> I think Thraben Inspector (4x) + Slayer's Bounty (3x) as removal-draw suite might be good in the deck (though maybe they are too slow against faster decks). -> For other one drops, Esper Sentinel (4x) and Giant Killer (at least 2x) seem good to me. -> My version of the deck is mostly white with only a small green splash for Torens (at least 2x). -> I am thinking about playing Oswald Fiddlebender (2x) and some 2 mv artifact (1x) (probably Glass Casket, but Metallic Mimic, Throne of the God-Pharaoh, Dancing Sword, Treasure Map or Mazemind Tome could also be playable) to be able to tutor Monument of 0 mv clue tokens (which would trigger Slayer's Bounty!) or one of the ~seven 1 mv artifacts. One could even entirely cut green and Torens, but I would rather play 2 of each and see how they work. With so many artifacts (~12), one might even play Ingenious Smith. -> The other way would be to play the deck would be with leaning more into green and play something like Antique Collector for even more clues. Antiwue Collector would be awesome with Sigardian Evangel (which we would be happy to have more copies in library), but horrible with Suntail Squadron (whose conjured 1/1s we would hate to draw). :-D Other possible green cards are the ones @Lucho Juega weas mentioned, maybe even CoCo. -> Now what I don't know is how to close out the games. Should I play some kind of anthem? Intrepid Adversary, Paladin Class, Venerated Loxodon (great with Mechanic or Skyfisher), Unbreakable Formation, Shalai, Voice of Plenty, Basri's Lieutenant... I dunno. Maybe go an entirely different route? Also, dunno what that would be. I am really looking forward to try the deck, though it will cost like 15~20 rare wildcards, which I don't like.
I love, love U/W Monument. Played a version of it when it was in Standard and I play versions in Historic and Modern. Definitely not top tier, but it's super fun to run over folks with a bunch of tokens.
Unsure what's better to see: a Lurrus player's graveyard getting annihilated right after they put Companion Cat into hand or seeing a Yorion opponent shame scoop the entire match off one minor mistake.
I edited this deck for pioneer with a human theme (Thalia's lieutenant instead of force of virtue and batallion foot soldiers instead of squadron hawk, ambitious farmhand) and it seems to work out similarly) maybe that version translates back to modern because of champion of the parish- lets you go bigger instead of wider- but it seems sick! Another idea is katilda for huge amounts of mana...Thanks for the brewing- cheers!
Imagine running a copy or two of the new card from Crimson Vow Sigarda's Summons....i tried to make Torren and this card work in standard but Oketras make it soo much better, well for a janky deck w a 6 mana enchantment
I tweeted this last night. " first of all, I love making tokens in modern, love den of the bugbear, love lingering souls, it just seems so broken in a 1 for 1 removal heavy format. and seeing Humans running this beauty (adeline) has made me respect humans for the first time ever.''
In Match 4 Game 2 you scooped after drawing the land, you could've lived one more turn. Block the Lurrus with Sanctifier as it has pro black and lifelink wouldn't happen because of it. Still gives you one more draw for something at least. Just a thought
@@akselevensen2763 702.16e "Any damage that would be dealt by sources that have the stated quality to a permanent or player with protection is prevented."
I just found out that youre gonna have my boy brandon m. on for commander on wednsday at 2pm!!!! We both love the channel and he is an exceptional human being like you so anything you can send him would be awesome! Hes genuinely the best guy I know and deserves it
The biggest problem I have with leagues is they are sometimes pretty lacking in diversity. Watching a budget deck play Tron three out of five matches just isn't enjoyable, and leaving out matches of a league feels weird.
What do you replace him with though? What consistency you gain on the mana base you lose on your payoffs. The point is to have 8 of the token making effect. I guess Adeline might be an acceptable option if you are committed to being budget and mono-white, but will be much less explosive. At that point it's just another Oketra Monument deck, which frankly would be much less interesting for a video. If not budget, or for people who already have the mana base, then two colors is nothing in modern. Also, there are also intermediate options like pathways and fast lands, which are actually well suited for this deck. Being heavy one color makes the pathways better. Having a tap land on turn four isn't nearly as bad as it is on the first three turns for this deck which make the fast lands much less painful.
I think Explosive is fine. You’re paying an extra R over just playing Sleight of Hand and you only get to see 1 extra card, you don’t even get to draw any more cards or anything. Plus you have to play 2 colors for it, which isn’t much in Modern, but it counts for something.
@@olafthemoose9413 it isn’t strictly draw 2 though. Later in the game when you have more mana it can be or if you hit a land, but it’s not just “draw 2” that would be insane
@@int3r4ct I mean the typical playpattern with iteration is as follows: turn 1-2 do whatever you want (dragons Tage channelers and ragavans apreciated) then turn 3 you cast iteration, you take the useful card, exil and play a land and ship whatever you don't want. If you don't hit a land you exil a 1 mana spell, play a land from your hand and then cast said 1 mana spell. Sure it's not a straight up draw 2 for 2 but in about 90% of scenarios it is.
I wonder if seth considered kor skyfisher for this deck as other than flash it seems like the same effect possibly better whitemane lion could be copies 5-8 regardless
Watching Match 5, you know watching people shuffle their hand around constantly is hard enough in paper, but digitally. And i don't mean the rearrangement to put like-things next to each other, I mean the hard noisy maybe not even moving things around shuffling.
If it were me (mainly because it's a pet card for me if I can fit into a white modern deck) I'd find space for some number of Esper Sentinel. Maybe down 2 Warden and 1 Monument for 3 Sentinel? It'll help on the card draw issue
Yeah Esper sentinel should be in the non budget brew. That card really makes non creature removal decks sweat lol. I'd run it over all the soul wardens honestly. The life gain is nice but sentinel slowing them down is better. There's also nothing more satisfying to me than sentinel into Thalia on the play. They took turn one off to avoid you drawing a card only to have to cast removal immediately with Thalia on the stack and draw me a card or be screwed lol. I have a bant token that's been smacking people. I even have sentinel in my Bogles and my bant tokens lol. In my humans if I'm on the play I lead with sentinel over champion if I'm on the draw I lead with champion.
I get why you complain about ragavan but complaining about expressive iteration and comparing their deck which has 3 colors, two of which are the best card draw colors, to your budget basically mono-white deck which is the WORST color for card draw is both funny and somewhat annoying. They also drew 3 iterations in top 50% of their deck, drawing that much of any decent card draw spell would make it seem OP. Also, YOU WON THAT GAME LMAO COME ON MAN 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Lynvix I have like three mh2 cards besides fetchlands which I finally now own: the sentinel for my budget soldier tribal deck and the golgari/grixis planeswalkers. Also expressive iteration is strixhaven so…kinda confused about the comment.
@art lolllll ur silly. They drew 3 iterations because iterations draw more iterations. That card isnt busted by itself, but \ith such powerful Red one-drops in modern right nao, its too much.
@@lalilulelo5326 name a card draw that doesn’t. it sees 3 cards feel free to do the math on 3 in first 28 or whatever this post is too old for me to care lol
@@totallynotthecia 25.697% chance to draw 3 of the same card of 28. And thats without taking into account that each copy lets u dig 3 deeper. Pretty dang consistent, if u ask a mathematician or anyone who plays cardgames. Also, its OK to care, sir.
My personal opinion is that you should stop playing snarls and tangolands in your budget decks. Just add the $50 to play better lands, like Razorverge Thicket or Wooded Bastion or Sunpetal Grove. I’d rather see how good the concept is than how often the deck can manage to avoid tripping over its own mana.
I love modern. If you have a game plan you can reliably execute by about turn 4, you will find something your deck can prey on. It is the wild west and you really have no idea what you’ll come against next.
Calling Expressive Iteration too strong is a bit ridiculous. WOTC can’t just deprive Blue of good cantrips when every other color gets repeatable forms of card advantage/card filtering.
Iteration is not just a good cantrip, it's the best 2 mana draw spell ever printed. It sees play in literally every format that it's legal in. The card is obviously INSANELY strong, it's not a stretch to call it too strong.
It seems some time ago you changed the format of the title and now we need to unfold description to see the format of the deck. Maybe write like “budget mtg modern” instead?
i think if you mulligan a lot you should make the oponent win the game by playing it. You forfeit the match but at least you make them show what they are playing.
@@MTGGoldfish you get that new 4 mana card that gives you a hand full of squadron hawks, and you get the 3 mana squadron hawk. I think the real issue is how broken the stupid bant captain soul Herder deck is.
I don't remember Seth complaining about opponents mulliganing much before the London Mulligan change, but now it feels like half the time when an opponent mulligans Seth seems to make some comment about it. "Not enough Modern Horizons 2 cards in their first hand." I get that the opponents are playing with powerful cards, but especially for Budget Magic where the entire series is built around using less powerful cards to hopefully good effect, complaining that the opponent is using the same power cards that make up most of Modern just wears thin pretty quickly for me. Complaining about the luck of the draw is fine, but I personally don't like to hear complaints about the opponent's deck choice (excepting Tron, the arch-nemesis). I dunno, maybe I'm just watching these videos too much or something.
I kinda love how Seth is "secretly" WAY faster than a lot of his opponents. Like, we're talking about a difference of 10+ minutes on the clock that gets hidden by editing.
Probably why he punts so often. Doesn't think enough.
In fairness to his opponents, I'd be in the tank for a while too if I Thoughtseize'd and saw a Seth Spicy Meatball! If I saw a Whitemane Lion I would absolutely assume there's a combo kill somewhere... right?
@@TheNoblestMan not just that, but this particular deck has way fewer decisions per turn than the DRC decks.
I wish Arena rewarded fast play with more gold at the end of each round.
I love this new "beating $1000 decks with" sub-series of budget magic, really puts into perspective what these decks are sometimes capable of
Yes they are great I love budget decks and especially these really good ones
Its proof that a good brew can fight.
I think its also that Seth is actually really good at playing Magic :) often he just outplays his opponent, which helps a lot with winning with budget decks. Its a fun series!
Most of my decks are cheap, I have revised duals collecting dust and some even more rare and costly cards, but mono and having sets of 4 make it much more reliable. Normally after turn 4 you are dead or I am. Unless white I can still rage against your life gain and walk away with the win.
Smallpox actually makes a lot of sense with reanimator. The opponent was putting in effort to essentially keep the game on turns 1-3, and being able to reanimate for cheap with persist while also keeping your opponent stripped for resources is neat synergy.
Yeah, I feel like it's actually really sweet tech. It also lets you pitch any fatties you draw, which is nothing to sneeze at.
@@LadyMapi yeah, that's another upside. I could see a version playing Ashen Rider to further deprive your opponent of lands
Love this deck! Perfect because it’s adjustable in price - it could be 40$ or 200$
43:39 this is exactly why you don't scoop, so glad you didn't. You gotta make them show you they have it, and play to your outs. Glad you are scooping less often, buddy!
42:43 "Well we won't scoop early" - Proceeds to win the game. This is why Seth.
You really need to up the Modern budget to $150. The Shadowlands go from useless to great as soon as you add Shocklands to the mix. You drastically improve consistency and you're still saving for a whole other deck by not playing Fetchlands.
There's probably a pretty solid argument for increasing the budget a big based on how much deck prices have increased. We've been using the same $100 budget for 6 years, while Modern deck prices have increased a lot during that time.
@@MTGGoldfish I suppose even “budgets” are not immune to inflation. I honestly agree though, that extra wiggle room can be huge for creating interesting brews i feel. Though the limitation of trying to make something competitive and cheap really does lead to super interesting creativity, the overall costs to stay competitive keep going up.
Don’t forget you can cast a creature into a chalice to trigger torrens/monument!
I still suprise my locals with Ajani sisters deck brewed years ago.
Love all your content Seth!
Loved the diversity of budget magic for modern lately! Makes me think I may actually be able to play some time :)
Love to see another mtg content creator that actually is playing for fun and isnt salty at all. Played a similar one with 2 divine visitations as a curve topper for some extra sweetness. Keep on rocking mate :)
nice! kinda playable in historic too with Aviary Mechanic, Beast Whisperer, God- Eternal Oketra and Rite of Harmony.
Ooh could that be the home for Suntail Squadron?
@@funkydiscogod DUDE! I'l try lol
@@luchojuegaweas4242 Oh, wait, no, Sigardian Evangel with Oketra's Monument would be even better.
@@funkydiscogod Both Sigardian Evangel (4x) and Suntail Squadron (2x) would be great I think! I would look at Evangel as the main Monument creature, then play Aviary Mechanic or Kor Skyfisher as secondary one. I wanna try the deck after the holidays, for now I just tried quickly designing it, here is what I came up with:
-> I think Thraben Inspector (4x) + Slayer's Bounty (3x) as removal-draw suite might be good in the deck (though maybe they are too slow against faster decks).
-> For other one drops, Esper Sentinel (4x) and Giant Killer (at least 2x) seem good to me.
-> My version of the deck is mostly white with only a small green splash for Torens (at least 2x).
-> I am thinking about playing Oswald Fiddlebender (2x) and some 2 mv artifact (1x) (probably Glass Casket, but Metallic Mimic, Throne of the God-Pharaoh, Dancing Sword, Treasure Map or Mazemind Tome could also be playable) to be able to tutor Monument of 0 mv clue tokens (which would trigger Slayer's Bounty!) or one of the ~seven 1 mv artifacts. One could even entirely cut green and Torens, but I would rather play 2 of each and see how they work. With so many artifacts (~12), one might even play Ingenious Smith.
-> The other way would be to play the deck would be with leaning more into green and play something like Antique Collector for even more clues. Antiwue Collector would be awesome with Sigardian Evangel (which we would be happy to have more copies in library), but horrible with Suntail Squadron (whose conjured 1/1s we would hate to draw). :-D Other possible green cards are the ones @Lucho Juega weas mentioned, maybe even CoCo.
-> Now what I don't know is how to close out the games. Should I play some kind of anthem? Intrepid Adversary, Paladin Class, Venerated Loxodon (great with Mechanic or Skyfisher), Unbreakable Formation, Shalai, Voice of Plenty, Basri's Lieutenant... I dunno. Maybe go an entirely different route? Also, dunno what that would be.
I am really looking forward to try the deck, though it will cost like 15~20 rare wildcards, which I don't like.
Seth you should play Kor Skyfisher in this deck too - 8 Whitemane Lions!
Hold on this is starting to look like a Pauper deck 🤔
I've been playing a White/Blue version of this in Pioneer for a couple years now. It's a blast! I love Oketra's Monument.
Cool! Can I have a list?
@@caleb7882 Yes! Give me a little time, and I will post my list.
@@jeremyhicks4517 same here
@@jeremyhicks4517 thank you!
I love, love U/W Monument. Played a version of it when it was in Standard and I play versions in Historic and Modern. Definitely not top tier, but it's super fun to run over folks with a bunch of tokens.
In match 2 when the opponent stole Torens, they 100% should have been casting Ragavan with Dash every turn just for the free token from Torens.
Unsure what's better to see: a Lurrus player's graveyard getting annihilated right after they put Companion Cat into hand or seeing a Yorion opponent shame scoop the entire match off one minor mistake.
I love how every budget magic deck tech is introduced as "Beating expensive ass decks". Modern may be diverse, but the price is silly
oketra's monument/whitemane lion is one of my favorite combos. Love seeing it here
Thank you Seth! I love watching modern jank, good and bad
Glad you enjoyed!
This is awesome :) thank you for making this. I have been doing a similar thing in historic and made it into a soul sisters build
I was literally just looking for a deck to slip Torens into, nice timing, friendo!
This is another reason for Seth to play Squadron Hawk! 😉
Back to Modern. Feels good, man!
Been watching for years (Wow, time flies!) but I realize I never asked, what is your Magic Online icon?
It's Peacekeeper, a really old prison card from Visions.
Seth: "How can my opponent beat sanctifier?"
MTGO: Let me show you
I edited this deck for pioneer with a human theme (Thalia's lieutenant instead of force of virtue and batallion foot soldiers instead of squadron hawk, ambitious farmhand) and it seems to work out similarly) maybe that version translates back to modern because of champion of the parish- lets you go bigger instead of wider- but it seems sick! Another idea is katilda for huge amounts of mana...Thanks for the brewing- cheers!
Nice! How did it work in Pioneer with the changes?
I think in match 1 game 3 you still cast the hawks into the chalice to get tokens from toren. Didn't matter anyway but it could have.
I love how force of virtue is like, not necessarily amazing, but far undervalued.
It's such a key lynchpin in a lot of my budget decks. Lol.
Yeah, it's really solid, especially if you have cards like Squadron Hawk to discard to it.
Every time Seth only sides out 2 or 3 of the 4 soul warden, I died on the inside.
I feel like a Gavony township or 2 would have been super sweet.
Colourless mana is a huge no go when the entire deck is built to abuse extra mana anyways
Imagine running a copy or two of the new card from Crimson Vow Sigarda's Summons....i tried to make Torren and this card work in standard but Oketras make it soo much better, well for a janky deck w a 6 mana enchantment
I tweeted this last night.
" first of all, I love making tokens in modern, love den of the bugbear, love lingering souls, it just seems so broken in a 1 for 1 removal heavy format. and seeing Humans running this beauty (adeline) has made me respect humans for the first time ever.''
In Match 4 Game 2 you scooped after drawing the land, you could've lived one more turn. Block the Lurrus with Sanctifier as it has pro black and lifelink wouldn't happen because of it. Still gives you one more draw for something at least. Just a thought
Lifelink would still happen, though the sanctifier would not die.
@@akselevensen2763 no cause the protection negates the damage completely. No damage equals no life to gain
@@akselevensen2763 702.16e "Any damage that would be dealt by sources that have the stated quality to a permanent or player with protection is prevented."
@@akselevensen2763 only way lifelink still happens is trample plus lifelink.
@@themagicgeek4765 Oh, ye u right.
Yay finally a goldfish video i can watch. No alchemy in sight.
I just found out that youre gonna have my boy brandon m. on for commander on wednsday at 2pm!!!! We both love the channel and he is an exceptional human being like you so anything you can send him would be awesome! Hes genuinely the best guy I know and deserves it
Awesome!
This makes me so hype because i've been trying to play Oketra Soul Sisters for a couple of years now. I'll for sure need to pick up copies of Torens.
Could consider Mistveil Plains for synergy with Squadron Hawks as well.
6:25 "Whitemane Lorrens Torrens" you are welcome
Yes to modern. No to alchemy.
15:31 "BuUuUuUuUuUdget magic time."
Nice pipes, Seth! Can you sing? Did you sing while you were in the Olive band?
I wasn't the lead singer in that band, but I have been in bands at various times.
Intangible virtue. You should revisit this deck. Update would be cool.
Love the shirt. Are you a big fan? I've been listening to Modest Mouse for many years.
That last match felt really miserable, opponent had the most tilting hands!
The way those games went maybe play a Leyline of Sanctity or two. Or some other answer to discard I am not thinking of.
Leylines probably best but blossoming calm would be well too. Veil of summer might be better though.
seth, please play a league with the cheap decks to see if they really can compete with modern tier decks
The biggest problem I have with leagues is they are sometimes pretty lacking in diversity. Watching a budget deck play Tron three out of five matches just isn't enjoyable, and leaving out matches of a league feels weird.
Torens didnt feel worth the mana base, should be alot more consistent (also cheaper) mono white
What do you replace him with though? What consistency you gain on the mana base you lose on your payoffs. The point is to have 8 of the token making effect. I guess Adeline might be an acceptable option if you are committed to being budget and mono-white, but will be much less explosive. At that point it's just another Oketra Monument deck, which frankly would be much less interesting for a video.
If not budget, or for people who already have the mana base, then two colors is nothing in modern. Also, there are also intermediate options like pathways and fast lands, which are actually well suited for this deck. Being heavy one color makes the pathways better. Having a tap land on turn four isn't nearly as bad as it is on the first three turns for this deck which make the fast lands much less painful.
I think Explosive is fine. You’re paying an extra R over just playing Sleight of Hand and you only get to see 1 extra card, you don’t even get to draw any more cards or anything. Plus you have to play 2 colors for it, which isn’t much in Modern, but it counts for something.
Not trying to be mean but you’re wrong, expressive iteration is absolutely insane and way better than sleight of hand
2 mana draw 2 out of 3 vs 1 mana draw 1 out of 2. Those cards can't even be compared. One is a cantrip and the other one is a draw spell
@@olafthemoose9413 it isn’t strictly draw 2 though. Later in the game when you have more mana it can be or if you hit a land, but it’s not just “draw 2” that would be insane
@@poopoo8170 never said it wasn’t better, but I don’t think it’s “too good” or whatever Seth said
@@int3r4ct I mean the typical playpattern with iteration is as follows: turn 1-2 do whatever you want (dragons Tage channelers and ragavans apreciated) then turn 3 you cast iteration, you take the useful card, exil and play a land and ship whatever you don't want. If you don't hit a land you exil a 1 mana spell, play a land from your hand and then cast said 1 mana spell. Sure it's not a straight up draw 2 for 2 but in about 90% of scenarios it is.
I wonder if seth considered kor skyfisher for this deck as other than flash it seems like the same effect possibly better whitemane lion could be copies 5-8 regardless
I wont scoop early *doesn't want to get yelled at* Ends up winning!
Watching Match 5, you know watching people shuffle their hand around constantly is hard enough in paper, but digitally. And i don't mean the rearrangement to put like-things next to each other, I mean the hard noisy maybe not even moving things around shuffling.
This could be worth a try in historic with Sigardian Evangel
This is probably really fun with Sigardian Evangel in Historic
Should put a Stonecloaker in this somewhere. Has the Whitemane Lion "Bounce" ability, exiles a thing from a yard and flies
Ohh, someone just played Stonecloaker on Commander Clash and it was really good. I would see adding a copy or two to the deck.
If it were me (mainly because it's a pet card for me if I can fit into a white modern deck) I'd find space for some number of Esper Sentinel. Maybe down 2 Warden and 1 Monument for 3 Sentinel? It'll help on the card draw issue
Yeah Esper sentinel should be in the non budget brew. That card really makes non creature removal decks sweat lol. I'd run it over all the soul wardens honestly. The life gain is nice but sentinel slowing them down is better. There's also nothing more satisfying to me than sentinel into Thalia on the play. They took turn one off to avoid you drawing a card only to have to cast removal immediately with Thalia on the stack and draw me a card or be screwed lol. I have a bant token that's been smacking people. I even have sentinel in my Bogles and my bant tokens lol. In my humans if I'm on the play I lead with sentinel over champion if I'm on the draw I lead with champion.
you can try also to add felidar guardian and/or restoration angel to go infinite blink and to have infinite tokens and/or infinite life
Torens and monument are cast triggers not etb but it works for the lifegain
Toren is also busted in Standard too
I did an Abzan version
37:00 Actually flickering the MDFC would be kinda reasonable, just destroying a land.
Either increase budget to $150 or make shocks not included in deck price, it would open so many more options
the whole point of budget is to make it a budget deck lol. causally slapping 150 bucks onto it makes it not budget anymore
Take a shot every time somebody casts a discard spell
Love you Seth.
Also I think Kor Skyfisher might be better than the Lion. You can return your MDFC lands to cast them as spells!
No flash on it makes that tough
15:32 "We are playing some Torens Monument in Standard"
Standard?
The Toren thumbnail is Magnus Carlsen, no way to hide it!
Hey saffron why did you not add mentor of the meek?
What if once for month the budget deck with the best record gets a video with a nonbudget version?
Ohh, that's a fun idea. Maybe I'll try to do this in 2022.
Did match 4 teach Seth about scooping early? ........no, probably not.
Me? Learn? Never!
Awesome
32:30 not sure why opponent would crack EE for 2 to kill their own creature with pro white and best hate sideboard hate card...
Feels like you are playing a monowhite pauper deck
Game 1 you could still cast the squad hawk triggering torens
You shoulda then 4 Expressive Iteration in.
I get why you complain about ragavan but complaining about expressive iteration and comparing their deck which has 3 colors, two of which are the best card draw colors, to your budget basically mono-white deck which is the WORST color for card draw is both funny and somewhat annoying. They also drew 3 iterations in top 50% of their deck, drawing that much of any decent card draw spell would make it seem OP.
Also, YOU WON THAT GAME LMAO COME ON MAN 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
i bet you play modern horizon tribal
@@Lynvix I have like three mh2 cards besides fetchlands which I finally now own: the sentinel for my budget soldier tribal deck and the golgari/grixis planeswalkers.
Also expressive iteration is strixhaven so…kinda confused about the comment.
@art lolllll ur silly. They drew 3 iterations because iterations draw more iterations. That card isnt busted by itself, but \ith such powerful Red one-drops in modern right nao, its too much.
@@lalilulelo5326 name a card draw that doesn’t. it sees 3 cards feel free to do the math on 3 in first 28 or whatever this post is too old for me to care lol
@@totallynotthecia 25.697% chance to draw 3 of the same card of 28. And thats without taking into account that each copy lets u dig 3 deeper. Pretty dang consistent, if u ask a mathematician or anyone who plays cardgames. Also, its OK to care, sir.
My personal opinion is that you should stop playing snarls and tangolands in your budget decks. Just add the $50 to play better lands, like Razorverge Thicket or Wooded Bastion or Sunpetal Grove. I’d rather see how good the concept is than how often the deck can manage to avoid tripping over its own mana.
those rakdos mh2 tribal decks losing to budget decks gives me life
No love for Stonecloaker?
Can you do a optimized Doran fattys deck
I love modern. If you have a game plan you can reliably execute by about turn 4, you will find something your deck can prey on. It is the wild west and you really have no idea what you’ll come against next.
Calling Expressive Iteration too strong is a bit ridiculous. WOTC can’t just deprive Blue of good cantrips when every other color gets repeatable forms of card advantage/card filtering.
Iteration is not just a good cantrip, it's the best 2 mana draw spell ever printed. It sees play in literally every format that it's legal in. The card is obviously INSANELY strong, it's not a stretch to call it too strong.
It seems some time ago you changed the format of the title and now we need to unfold description to see the format of the deck. Maybe write like “budget mtg modern” instead?
i think if you mulligan a lot you should make the oponent win the game by playing it.
You forfeit the match but at least you make them show what they are playing.
Ugh match 1 g 1 is why PP queues are only slightly more interesting than Tournament Practice queues.
Wait this thumbis a modafoca Jojo reference?
So this is impossible in historic?
It's not impossible, but some important pieces are missing (mostly Whitemane Lion and Squadron Hawk).
@@MTGGoldfish we do have kor skyfisher and suntail squadron but yea, I feel you.
What's a DOOTHY voidwalker?
I see Torens deck video: real shit?
It's not edh: I sleep
You know the game you're playing is scamming you when $100 is considered "budget"
Yeah, Modern prices are crazy, although considering that tier decks are like $1,200 at the moment, $100 is pretty cheap comparatively.
Can basically build this deck in historic but its terrible for some reason...
I think missing the Whitemain Lion combo (and Squadron Hawk) is a big deal. Those cards are really important for fueling Torens/Monument.
@@MTGGoldfish you get that new 4 mana card that gives you a hand full of squadron hawks, and you get the 3 mana squadron hawk. I think the real issue is how broken the stupid bant captain soul Herder deck is.
@@eliisaac its 4-mana man....
@@lalilulelo5326 doesn't matter slower format, card is bonkers when you actually draw it.
You won some games because of your pain-free mana base, yet you recommend putting shocks and fetches in it. 🤔
To be fair if you can get some of the really good fetches for cheap they aren't really painful.
i keep rooting for seth's opponents lol. white is way to strong right now, rackdos did nothing wrong
Once again lurrus is the biggest mistake in magics history... I rather have phyrexian mana gain my oopent life n scry than have this card stay legal
MH2 ruined the format.
I don't remember Seth complaining about opponents mulliganing much before the London Mulligan change, but now it feels like half the time when an opponent mulligans Seth seems to make some comment about it. "Not enough Modern Horizons 2 cards in their first hand." I get that the opponents are playing with powerful cards, but especially for Budget Magic where the entire series is built around using less powerful cards to hopefully good effect, complaining that the opponent is using the same power cards that make up most of Modern just wears thin pretty quickly for me. Complaining about the luck of the draw is fine, but I personally don't like to hear complaints about the opponent's deck choice (excepting Tron, the arch-nemesis). I dunno, maybe I'm just watching these videos too much or something.
I don't want to like modern decks because it's a rotating format now :(
All the people playing MH2 tribals disgust me
1st.
Seth, please learn to breathe through your nose.