I did get the new sram t-type XX LS and after installation and riding I have few findings. The shifting under load I don’t like is the fact that the shifting only takes place when the chain is in a certain position. Now this can be crucial as it will slow you down. As a racer you want immediate shifting and a lag can cost you seconds. The shifter I found it more cumbersome that the previous generation. It would had been nice for sram to include in the box the second mounting option as a part of the set. Never the less, I have build bikes with xx1 axs, new sram t-type, and shimano XTR. Personally despite the technology shimano XTR crankset, well everything looks classic and much nicer. Not to mention the shifting on my XTR once it is dialed it is flawless. For me, shimano still outperforms sram not but much but still. Not saying sram is bad. You can not go wrong with either one.
Hi Juan thanks for sharing! I will have to see that multiple shift on the trail... The little shifter - as you could see in the video, I have my doubths from the getgo. More to come.
Man, so sorry to hear about your Yeti. I tore my rotator cuff and will be off the bike until at least November with a long road ahead filled with surgery, rehab and pain... neither of our stories are great! My Chameleon isn't a UDH bike so it's a non starter, but even if it were, I'd be skipping this new design. I'll be living though you vicariously this riding season!
It would be interesting to see how new AXS will work with old chains or cassettes 🤔 This should be very valuable information for those who would like to upgrade only derailleur and shifter, new parts are pricey
@@jamble7k my thoughts exactly. New XX flattop chains cost more than 140€ in Germany, when road AXS chains are like 23-45€ on the sales. The main issue that i see is the length, road chain are shorter (120 max). You will have to buy 2 chains and extra quick link to run road chain on mtb.
Id like to see a close up, side by side shifting test between the old AXS drivetrains and the new Transmission system. I want to see how much "smoother" the shifting really is vs what SRAM says it is.
Another top quality vid thank you!!! I really liked to see the xx1 and x01 comparison beside each other...As far as my fav crank I vote for the alum one...I don't have a udh bike :( I also really like the size of the new shifter and that its the only cross compatible part from the v-1 axs hmmm buttons harder to push now I'm not sure that I like that,will have to wait on your review vid...Over all I'm very impressed with the new system and I hope this kick in the Shimano butt gets them to step up their game!!!
The original AXS was the kick in the butt. This new AXS Transmission is adding salt to injury. Shimano will now focus all future endeavors and innovation towards the fishing rods & reel industry.
Hi Glenn, lucky to have the now "old" GX AXS, that Shramano drivetrain is sweet! Not sure what to think of the new controller yet but I will know soon enough.
Great video!! I would love to see in detail the part that is less explained everywhere; the A or B position and the 5th or 6th speed (from the top) while on doing the setup. Thanks!
Well cool for you, damn must be nice! I'm stuck with shimano xt, sigh....hell no i'm fine with my XT...it works great. Until they day they die i'll think of a "transmission"....will see...thanks for spending your money and have fun.
I have a UDH compatible bike (2023 Ibis DV9). I’ll do a test for you if you send me the XO 😜 Seriously though, I’m stoked for you and will be watching your forthcoming vids for sure. Thanks for the great work you’re doing 👍 💪
I have the XTR12 drivetrain combined with an AXS Derailleur. I still think the XTR cranks are the most beautiful cranks out there so I'm hoping I can still use them and ditch the XO Transmission cranks I'm going to receive today. I'll also be testing cross-compatibility between the XTR12, AXS and Transmission with some little hacks I've though of to cope for the 52 vs. 55mm chainline.
@@LoveMTB That's what I figured. I think a 52 Chainline might even be better for the sort of riding I do. I rarely use the 10s cog and on the uphill side it's so steep around here that the lower gears are the ones I mostly use. I have read somewhere that the cassette is 3mm wider which could mean that the spacing is different too but I kinda doubt that. We'll see soon enough.
@@LoveMTB yes, sometimes also need to remind ourselves of the reality of random kindness/generosity; the times other riders have stopped to help in case it was needed etc.
Thanks for the intro. Looking forward to the seting on a bike. As far as I know, these new derailleurs can be fit in frames with UDH. I would be curious to know if there is a way of adjusting non UDH compatible frames to accomodate these derailleurs.
everyone is going direct mount and for the love of god I hope shimano and trp doesn't make theirs proprietary because the last thing the industry needs is a frame specific derailleur
Another great video!! - Thanks for your efforts :) Do you expect Shimao to release a new upgrade to XTR / XT etc this year to fall in line (or slightly above) with what SRAM have done??
@@LoveMTB shimano stuff is on a huge discount right now here in europe... it might be just suppliers trying to shift stock though, seen an entire xt groupset with brake discs for 600 euroes
XO cranks look so good. Not keen on the look of the bash guides, but they are a good idea. Do you need a specific chain guide to work with the the bash plates? Sure I seen something that the new MRP ones are. Does that make all others incompatible
Well really cool video once again thanks for all the work you do!!! And concerning the new drivetrain well I'm sure it will shift amazing and all but one thing that I loved about SRAM in the past is that their stuff just looked so cool and with the new transmission I'm torn between it looking a bit 60es architecture (sort of wanna be modern and fresh) and down right ugly... I know looks are subjective but if you factor in that for the price of the XX SL you can almost buy a Canyon Neuron CF 8 or save around 300 Euros and get the Neuron 6 with the aluminium frame, well that is simply crazy... And finally the question in my mind is what is going to break first the rear mac or the frame since there is no more derailleur hanger...
You bring up some valid points... And I would say none, all the abuse is transferred to the rear axle so if frame can withstand the forces from the rear axle should be ok for normal riding bumps and bruises.
Hi! Great vid as always!! As most people say, mix and match has to be the topic of your next video. Specifically I wish to mix my existing GX AXS and upgrade only the cranks to the XX version. Which chain will match?
How’s the new controller compared to the previous? Personally I think that’s the only component from this new drivetrain that looks sub par. It looks like the controller on Wheel Top’s wireless controller.
Yeah, XT works great. Just run into someone today that bought a Stumpy with SLX and he was impressed with the shifting quality, coming from SRAM...He even said he will replace the drivetrain on his other bike with Shimano from SRAM again.
I just finished upgrading my XC hardtail with mechanical X01 and now it's a pain to know I'll probably have to secretly order a X0 Eagle kit because my wife will be mad if she discovers it costs 2500 CA$
Wow that’s crazy that you had your Yeti stolen! Bike theft in the GTA is crazy. As for the SRAM stuff, would love to have it but really not worth it at the cost they are asking for given the type and amount of riding I do Ontario. Maybe interesting to see a cheaper cable actuated version of the transmission, that would work on my UDH equipped Optic. Just no driving need to change.
Thanks, I've had better periods in my life 🙂 Cable - that would be cool! It will come eventually, probably even the GX will be like that. GTA...not what it used to be. And wish Yeti was the only bike stolen. Break in, 3am, secure your garages that's all I can say! And good insurance
@@LoveMTB Yup. My fear as well. I have my bike changed to a wall mount in the garage and have a long range motion sensor and door open sensor that will cause an alarm to go off in the house. It won't stop anyone if I'm not home but hopefully slow them down enough to not make it worthwhile.
I am really turned off by all these changes sram made to the crank, chainrings, chains, cassettes to make them proprietary.. They market it that this new "transmission" would not be possible without a new chain or cassette; but that's just to force the early adopters to buy the full kit. I am sure they could have used a universal chain, cassette, and chainring for this release, but chose not too... so for that reason I am really hesitant to buy so fast.
There's quite a bit of change overall don't know if they could have done it without new innovation and pattents. However the chain, or a similar one, has been used by them for the last few years on the road!
Potential mistake in your video. Zero Friction Cycling and Modern Bike state that the largest 3 gears are aluminum. “Fully machined, hardened steel X-Dome architecture for gears 1-9 and an ultra-lightweight, all-aluminum Spider Cog for gears 10-12.” From your video it looks like those last 3 are a different material. Are you able to tell? If so, as Zero Friction Cycling pointed out, that would be a big downgrade in durability.
I have mixed feelings about the drivetrain. I'm unhappy that they downgraded X0 to GX level. So the lineup looks like this XXSL > old XX1 XX> old X01 X0 > GX. The thing I hate the most about the drivetrain is no black chain with hollow pins. I also believe new casssettes seem to be a major downgrade (9 vs 11 cogs machined from 1 part) apart from gear spacing. Perhaps machining is different as well to make shifting better. New shifter seems also to be half-baked cause it doesn't support matchmaker and it's quite bulky. On the other hand I think I like new rear mechs which fix alignment issues (hanger etc.) though I believe frame quality checks will have to be stricter. I also love new X0 cranksets.
I did get the new sram t-type XX LS and after installation and riding I have few findings. The shifting under load I don’t like is the fact that the shifting only takes place when the chain is in a certain position. Now this can be crucial as it will slow you down. As a racer you want immediate shifting and a lag can cost you seconds. The shifter I found it more cumbersome that the previous generation. It would had been nice for sram to include in the box the second mounting option as a part of the set. Never the less, I have build bikes with xx1 axs, new sram t-type, and shimano XTR. Personally despite the technology shimano XTR crankset, well everything looks classic and much nicer. Not to mention the shifting on my XTR once it is dialed it is flawless. For me, shimano still outperforms sram not but much but still. Not saying sram is bad. You can not go wrong with either one.
Hi Juan thanks for sharing! I will have to see that multiple shift on the trail...
The little shifter - as you could see in the video, I have my doubths from the getgo. More to come.
Man, so sorry to hear about your Yeti. I tore my rotator cuff and will be off the bike until at least November with a long road ahead filled with surgery, rehab and pain... neither of our stories are great! My Chameleon isn't a UDH bike so it's a non starter, but even if it were, I'd be skipping this new design. I'll be living though you vicariously this riding season!
OMG so sorry to hear that! Speedy recovery!
And the Yeti’s one of the 3 bikes stolen, 3am, broke in through the garage😡
It would be interesting to see how new AXS will work with old chains or cassettes 🤔
This should be very valuable information for those who would like to upgrade only derailleur and shifter, new parts are pricey
Noted!
absolutely!!
I would also find interesting to test the old axs derailleur with the new cassette and flattop chain 👌
i wonder if the road flat top chains are compatible as they are about 1/2 or 1/3rd the price of a t type chain
@@jamble7k my thoughts exactly. New XX flattop chains cost more than 140€ in Germany, when road AXS chains are like 23-45€ on the sales. The main issue that i see is the length, road chain are shorter (120 max). You will have to buy 2 chains and extra quick link to run road chain on mtb.
Wicked! Can’t wait to see it in person. 🎉🤑
Just started video, you know it is quality as always, press like right away
Just like that. Boom!😊
Oooo Wee, Gotta say the XO arms are sexier!
Gotta see them in person…
@@LoveMTB it’s a long walk
Well worth it!
I knew it! You're an engineer. Great video. Waiting the mounting of the transmission on a bike. My respects, colleage.
Thank you! Coming soon
Id like to see a close up, side by side shifting test between the old AXS drivetrains and the new Transmission system. I want to see how much "smoother" the shifting really is vs what SRAM says it is.
sure they want to milk cash from ppl who bought "eagle" system 3-4 years ago
Another top quality vid thank you!!! I really liked to see the xx1 and x01 comparison beside each other...As far as my fav crank I vote for the alum one...I don't have a udh bike :( I also really like the size of the new shifter and that its the only cross compatible part from the v-1 axs hmmm buttons harder to push now I'm not sure that I like that,will have to wait on your review vid...Over all I'm very impressed with the new system and I hope this kick in the Shimano butt gets them to step up their game!!!
The original AXS was the kick in the butt. This new AXS Transmission is adding salt to injury. Shimano will now focus all future endeavors and innovation towards the fishing rods & reel industry.
Yeah who knows?
Hi Glenn, lucky to have the now "old" GX AXS, that Shramano drivetrain is sweet!
Not sure what to think of the new controller yet but I will know soon enough.
Thanks for sharing video....part sram
Welcome
Great video!! I would love to see in detail the part that is less explained everywhere; the A or B position and the 5th or 6th speed (from the top) while on doing the setup. Thanks!
Will do!
exciting and cool tec... wonder what shimano will answer, they allready had no answer to AXS...
Wonder how many parents they have to jump around. Asleep at the wheel? I’m sure they’ll have something
I like Sram.🥰
I hope lots of mixing and matching old with new 12 speed AXS!? That would be super interesting (real world compatibility wise)! Great content btw.
Nope just the controller and probably cranks
@LoveMTB What about old chain and chainring with new stuff? Then you only need to buy cassette and derailleur?
@@liamdk9848 chain 100% no. Chainring/ cranks - Jury is still out on this one
"Before you sell a kidney"😂
Well cool for you, damn must be nice! I'm stuck with shimano xt, sigh....hell no i'm fine with my XT...it works great. Until they day they die i'll think of a "transmission"....will see...thanks for spending your money and have fun.
You're welcome🙂
Nice to see you at puslinch today
Thanks! Can't believe it was sooo good!🤘
love your reviews!
Thanks so much!
I have a UDH compatible bike (2023 Ibis DV9). I’ll do a test for you if you send me the XO 😜
Seriously though, I’m stoked for you and will be watching your forthcoming vids for sure. Thanks for the great work you’re doing 👍 💪
Thanks Jonathan
I kind of like the looks of the XO better.
Yeah that dark color scheme can look amazing in some bikes
i agree, looks more clean
I have the XTR12 drivetrain combined with an AXS Derailleur. I still think the XTR cranks are the most beautiful cranks out there so I'm hoping I can still use them and ditch the XO Transmission cranks I'm going to receive today. I'll also be testing cross-compatibility between the XTR12, AXS and Transmission with some little hacks I've though of to cope for the 52 vs. 55mm chainline.
It will work ok with 52mm. Let me know what you find on the compatibility side!
@@LoveMTB That's what I figured. I think a 52 Chainline might even be better for the sort of riding I do. I rarely use the 10s cog and on the uphill side it's so steep around here that the lower gears are the ones I mostly use. I have read somewhere that the cassette is 3mm wider which could mean that the spacing is different too but I kinda doubt that. We'll see soon enough.
@@harzenduro More about that in a future video 🙂
thanks for vid - as close as i'll be able to get to these guys for awhile :) so sorry to hear about the Yeti Arc :(
🙏 life happens
@@LoveMTB yes, sometimes also need to remind ourselves of the reality of random kindness/generosity; the times other riders have stopped to help in case it was needed etc.
@@themtchannel2110 💯
I've always thought of Sram and Shimano like Apple and Android
Yeah, not bad either
Thanks!
Thank you Greg!😍
Thanks for the intro. Looking forward to the seting on a bike. As far as I know, these new derailleurs can be fit in frames with UDH. I would be curious to know if there is a way of adjusting non UDH compatible frames to accomodate these derailleurs.
Unfortunately most probably not...
I would love to see if it works with the eagle cassette and chain🤔
It won't...
whats the difference in cassete material / finish / coatings. Previously XO1 and XX1 had exactly same durability what about now ?
Only difference is that XX SL uses 3 Alu cogs vs other cassettes that only use one.
@@LoveMTB but there is huge price difference between X0 and XX i know XX SL os lighter because 44 and 38 cogs are alu
@@p199a I know and it doesn’t make any sense. I will have a close look at the cassettes soon.
You saying xx was foam core made me wonder if enduro rated like the current xo foam core is
Probably the same with XX SL having none for weight savings
The next video.... Is the derailleur compatible with Shimano drivetrain?
Will be awesome to see if they develop direct mount GX with cable shifter.
Will not work for many reasons, more to come on this
everyone is going direct mount and for the love of god I hope shimano and trp doesn't make theirs proprietary because the last thing the industry needs is a frame specific derailleur
I’m afraid that’s the case for Shimano… others will have to choose a team
do we know why the xx cassette is more expensive than the xo? they weigh the same and use the same tech, so why is XX so much more expensive?
Because...it's XX?
They probably assume not every buyer watches my vids😊
Sorry to hear about the bike. I hate bike thieves 😠
Thanks, you and me both!🤬
Another great video!! - Thanks for your efforts :) Do you expect Shimao to release a new upgrade to XTR / XT etc this year to fall in line (or slightly above) with what SRAM have done??
My crystal ball says...😇
@@LoveMTB shimano stuff is on a huge discount right now here in europe... it might be just suppliers trying to shift stock though, seen an entire xt groupset with brake discs for 600 euroes
@@jamble7k Who knows, maybe new Shimano tech on the horizon. Hmmm...
Thanks for sharing!
@@jamble7k where are these sales?
XO cranks look so good. Not keen on the look of the bash guides, but they are a good idea. Do you need a specific chain guide to work with the the bash plates? Sure I seen something that the new MRP ones are. Does that make all others incompatible
I’m sure they’ll start advertising the compatibility as soon as they can. Chain guide w them would be hard unless is some minimalistic type?
@@LoveMTB Yeah I’m not sure what I’d prefer to run a guide or the bash plates if it was a choice
I would personally be ok with just the included bash guards
Is that derailleur compatible with the regular GX eagle cassettes?
Well really cool video once again thanks for all the work you do!!! And concerning the new drivetrain well I'm sure it will shift amazing and all but one thing that I loved about SRAM in the past is that their stuff just looked so cool and with the new transmission I'm torn between it looking a bit 60es architecture (sort of wanna be modern and fresh) and down right ugly... I know looks are subjective but if you factor in that for the price of the XX SL you can almost buy a Canyon Neuron CF 8 or save around 300 Euros and get the Neuron 6 with the aluminium frame, well that is simply crazy... And finally the question in my mind is what is going to break first the rear mac or the frame since there is no more derailleur hanger...
You bring up some valid points...
And I would say none, all the abuse is transferred to the rear axle so if frame can withstand the forces from the rear axle should be ok for normal riding bumps and bruises.
Hi! Great vid as always!! As most people say, mix and match has to be the topic of your next video. Specifically I wish to mix my existing GX AXS and upgrade only the cranks to the XX version. Which chain will match?
Thanks, more to come on this 😊
Looking at the patents just released by Shimano, they’re also going to UDH albeit with their own changes to the design.
They connect to UDH??? Didn't see that
How’s the new controller compared to the previous? Personally I think that’s the only component from this new drivetrain that looks sub par. It looks like the controller on Wheel Top’s wireless controller.
🙂 you could see my initial impression of the controller in this video. More to come.
Nice nice nice
Could be a convert lol
Sad to hear your Arc was taken. Assuming you're getting insurance money, will you build another or try something new?
Thanks! We will see, have not decided yet. And the ARC was one of the 3 stolen...🥵
Is it possible to install new chainrings on previous sram cranks with three screw interface?
No, they won't fit.
spacing on the cassette? Wonder if the new derailleur can be used for previous cassettes
It will NOT work, quite a few reasons for that
Not ready to give up my Shimano XT just yet. 😅
Yeah, XT works great. Just run into someone today that bought a Stumpy with SLX and he was impressed with the shifting quality, coming from SRAM...He even said he will replace the drivetrain on his other bike with Shimano from SRAM again.
@@LoveMTB ha! I believe it
Stonks
Man, channel hacked, yeti stolen, what else could go wrong? take it easy bro.
Thank you, I could use a break!🤓
Got to apple air tag bikes. At least you could of tracked it down
Ish...😩
🤯
Hey, what's the cheapest widerange 1x drivetrain kit? These sram are obviously too expensive.
Deore m5100
@@LoveMTB thank you man, I just got it yesterday and today I'm going Decathlon for installation. Cheers
I just finished upgrading my XC hardtail with mechanical X01 and now it's a pain to know I'll probably have to secretly order a X0 Eagle kit because my wife will be mad if she discovers it costs 2500 CA$
😅
I hear ya', brother.
Just tell her it's a free replacement 😂
How much would this product cost in tiawan
Which one do you prefer? Or recommend?
XX because I want it for more XC type of bike
Wow that’s crazy that you had your Yeti stolen! Bike theft in the GTA is crazy. As for the SRAM stuff, would love to have it but really not worth it at the cost they are asking for given the type and amount of riding I do Ontario.
Maybe interesting to see a cheaper cable actuated version of the transmission, that would work on my UDH equipped Optic. Just no driving need to change.
Thanks, I've had better periods in my life 🙂 Cable - that would be cool! It will come eventually, probably even the GX will be like that.
GTA...not what it used to be. And wish Yeti was the only bike stolen. Break in, 3am, secure your garages that's all I can say! And good insurance
@@LoveMTB Yup. My fear as well. I have my bike changed to a wall mount in the garage and have a long range motion sensor and door open sensor that will cause an alarm to go off in the house. It won't stop anyone if I'm not home but hopefully slow them down enough to not make it worthwhile.
Frame needs to be UDH compatible?
Unfortunately yes
Hm ❤
I am really turned off by all these changes sram made to the crank, chainrings, chains, cassettes to make them proprietary.. They market it that this new "transmission" would not be possible without a new chain or cassette; but that's just to force the early adopters to buy the full kit. I am sure they could have used a universal chain, cassette, and chainring for this release, but chose not too... so for that reason I am really hesitant to buy so fast.
There's quite a bit of change overall don't know if they could have done it without new innovation and pattents. However the chain, or a similar one, has been used by them for the last few years on the road!
_plastic_ bash guards?!
Maybe! Still to look closely at it, and XX also has them
Now pair it with shimano hg plus cassette 🐱
Won’t work this time🤔
Potential mistake in your video. Zero Friction Cycling and Modern Bike state that the largest 3 gears are aluminum. “Fully machined, hardened steel X-Dome architecture for gears 1-9 and an ultra-lightweight, all-aluminum Spider Cog for gears 10-12.” From your video it looks like those last 3 are a different material. Are you able to tell?
If so, as Zero Friction Cycling pointed out, that would be a big downgrade in durability.
Largest 3 Alu for the XX SL it was a mistake in Adams video
Thanks
The weight difference is marginal. Was expecting sl to be much lighter
XX SL, their race kit is a bit lighter than XX but imagine under 100g no more, more like 50
The video showcased the XX, not the XX SL. The latter is the top tier weight weeenie drivetrain for XC racers.
@@GokkunGuru yes I did finally realize that.
No reason to waste money on this if you ask me. This will be forgotten about after a year or two. Plus the cost of it is ridiculous
Don't know about forgotten...
I have a feeling that I will never own either. My Shimano XT is better than I will ever be able to ride, I guess…😂
Never say never my friend 🤓
Oh man, bike stolen that sucks! Nothing worse than working hard and some jackass violating you by stealing it!
Not first 😂
XO I like better
Look better!💯
the website marked everything overpriced
First
FIRST
I have mixed feelings about the drivetrain. I'm unhappy that they downgraded X0 to GX level. So the lineup looks like this XXSL > old XX1 XX> old X01 X0 > GX. The thing I hate the most about the drivetrain is no black chain with hollow pins. I also believe new casssettes seem to be a major downgrade (9 vs 11 cogs machined from 1 part) apart from gear spacing. Perhaps machining is different as well to make shifting better. New shifter seems also to be half-baked cause it doesn't support matchmaker and it's quite bulky.
On the other hand I think I like new rear mechs which fix alignment issues (hanger etc.) though I believe frame quality checks will have to be stricter. I also love new X0 cranksets.