@@Blurifying true, relying on guys like ox (injury prone) for squad depth has caught up to them. The players aren’t getting any younger and their style demands constant pressure
Fabinho also been bad the past 2 seasons and the aging Henderson won't be able to save them for long either. with both full back so aggressive, maybe a back 3 would be better for them (they'd need to sign at least 2 CB, a left footed CB would be nice so VVD can play centrally).
They can’t blame injuries when the club failed to address the injury prone & aging squad. Why keep the likes of Keita, Chamberlain, Matip, Gomez, Milner, yes even Thiago(who’s excellent but injury prone). The tactics have been found out by other teams & L’pool really have no plan B, as much as Klopp says otherwise. Not sure if it’s FSG being tight with the purse strings or Klopp being stubborn & insisting that his squad is fine. They even got Arthur Melo, an injury prone player to cover already injured players, who’s currently out injured himself. Brilliant.
They really hit the jackpot with Artur Mello and they sold takumi minamino , he was never given time to really settle , always on bench dude wld have lit up pl if given consicutive starts
One point, when you built your game for years on running and dynamism, your players are going to wear out more quickly and you are going to get more injuries than teams that press and run less. So I don't think it is mere bad luck that we have so many injuries. If anything it highlights an even more important need for style change OR personnel change to keep fresh legs in the squad.
That's where squad rotation comes in. You can do it but you need 2 XIs which are as good as each other, swapping in and out. With quality youth players who are fit, able to take some matches against weaker teams or as injury cover. Liverpool don't have that. Only City do to that extent.
One thing those data lines confirm is that the problems they are facing actually started long before this season so it's not as simple a case of they sold this player or this season's injuries that are to blame. I am probably in the minority here but I believed last season especially for the 2nd half, Alisson had a good shout to be Liverpool's player of the season. He was making far too many one-on-one saves. He played as big a role in helping Liverpool challenge for the title. The Spurs game in particular, if not for Ali that could have been another 7-2! I know Klopp would say it's part of how they play in terms of risk but I've never seen them that open. Which makes me wonder, I assume their analysts have access to the same data and more. How come they didn't pick up on this and insist on new additions in midfield in particular.
Absolutely spot on. With Konate they could play very aggressively and very high, something which is impossible without the protection of a fit Fabinho. The Liverpool coaches knew about the lack of midfield depth but were foolishly banking on Keita, Jones being fit! My sources say that they also hoped that Firmino would be dropping in as a '10'. They had already thought about transitioning the shape to a lopsided 4-2-3-1 with Alcantara playing a bit deeper. It was never the plan this season for all of the old midfielders to be playing. However, Klopp never intended for both Carvalho & Elliott to be in the same XI. Ultimately, FSG were not prepared to open their chequebook any further... It will very likely cost them a Champions League place next season.
@@KloppMichaelBarnes When they got Nunez, I agree I also thought it would 4-2-3-1. I also felt they would need one more midfielder who can fill in for Thiago because Keita aside nobody even comes to offering those kind of skills. And the other guys like Hendo, Oxlade and Jones don't seem to be midfielders who can play as a part of a two. So I was puzzled they didn't get a midfielder before preseason. I was even more confused when they chose to ignore the midfield after Thiago, Jones, Oxlade and Keita got injured. I get FSG not loosening the purse strings but their financial model is based on qualifying for the champions league. So if that gets compromised because they wanted to save a few million, that would be a very bad look. Do also feel pity for youngsters like Jones. Being asked to play multiple roles without being given time to at least master one
JJ Bull is an absolute gem on this channel. As a Liverpool fan, I checked the description first because I was hoping it was him covering it, and I wasn’t disappointed!
At 3:20 he mentioned that they won the league at the backend of the season during the title winning campaign, but liverpool had already wrapped up the league by then.
He most likely had it the wrong way around. Liverpool vastly overperformed during the first half of that season. They must have had 10 one-goal wins, a lot of them coming late on. Later on the season, starting with the Watford loss, Liverpool were quite poor.
Those charts are deceptive. Red means Liverpool performed below their xG/xG against. Meaning that in red periods they were "unlucky" or "less clinical" or "made more errors" than xG would suggest. In blue phases, they were "lucky" or "more clinical/ made fewer errors" since the results were better than xG would suggest. Back half of 19/20 we shouldn't have won as many but we did.
I honestly believe that change to 3-4-3 system is a way better solution than what Klopp's doing at the moment. Robertson and TAA playing as wing-backs will suit them better and having 3 center-backs will greatly help with the compactness of the defence in transitional moments.
They literally don’t have enough CBs to do a 3-4-3. They acquire and hold onto too many injury prone players and so it’s caught up to them again this season. They’ve held onto the likes of Keita Ox and keep bringing in injury prone players like Konate who aren’t available for long periods or aren’t good enough to start or change anything even if they were.
It will make for the fact they can’t defend if their lives depend on it. Though since Klopp is supposed to be in the top 3 coaches in the world, surely he should be able to teach them how to defend?
@@iangascoigne8231 Are you suggesting that the team with the best defensive record over the last few seasons, doesn't know how to defend? If you actually watched the video, it's not as simple as "teaching them how to defend". There's loads of injuries, new players, aging midfield + confidence issues. And a very packed schedule of games.
@@zaidabraham7310 They’re not now are they? Trent and Roberson can’t defend to save their lives. They’ve been found out. Though where would we be without the Liverpool fans looking for something else to blame? Which Btw other teams have had to cope with.
I think it all stems from a dysfunctional midfield. Fabinho is awful now. Elliott is not a midfielder. Thiago is top class but can lack mobility. Henderson has been awful. We relied on our midfield being functional, energetic and smart. Now teams either counter us or press us (like we used to) and we fold. Or we just make stupid mistakes.
Pretty well sums up what happened to Spurs under Pochettino (without the trophies of course). In the last 18 months the amount of pressing just cratered. I’m keen to see how they evolve - if they can evolve.
Quite obvious they didn't bolster their midfield during the transfer window, and injuries are making them suffer. Klopp should have learned from the CB crisis they faced in the previous years.
@@miguelpereira9859If Man City and pep can sign Akanji for £15 M cuz he told the board that he needed a CB for more solidity and strengthen the defence then why couldn’t Liverpool sign Midfielders after that first game against Fulham or last summer. It’s not about the money anymore cuz Liverpool could easily have signed midfielders from Leicester for cheap or Akanji from Dortmund to help stable and improve their defence
I feel like a 3-4-3 or 5-2-3 with Trent ticking in as he has this season could really cover some of those spaces between the center backs, albeit with fewer numbers in midfield.
Is there a correlation between intensity (stats like number of presses) and injury rate? Are frequencies/amount of injuries measured in stats anywhere?
I bet the short summer break and condensed schedule really doesn’t help a team that is totally dependent on intensity. I’m sure they’ll be back at some point in the near future, just need to refresh the squad a bit more.
they are very much missing Henderson's ability to run around the whole pitch, pressing and winning the ball back, supporting Trent whenever the opposition tries to expose the space, now when he is older and struggling with fitness he just cant do it anymore...with Mane gone and them going for Nunez, a proper striker, who all credit to him is working pretty hard and even running back to the defense to help out, they dont have that many players with a lot of energy and pressing ability, the trio of Mane-Firmino-Salah was quite hard working mainly cause of Mane and Firmino, Salah was always the one who got a pass when it comes to defending, but now they got much more attacking players in their attack, so in order for that to work you need the midfield to compensate for it and they simply dont have that atm, somebody like Laimer would be perfect to bring in that energy and hard work, Caicedo would help, obviously Bellingham is a dream but cant just bet it all on him, Rice is a great option, they just gotta start spending and not relying on Klopp to wave his magic wand season after season
@@haakonlehn7539 technically speaking based on the numbers it's Jota who is Liverpool's best in terms of pressing. If you look the tables shared, you can see the pressing numbers started falling from around game 20 of last season which was around end of December. That was probably due to a combination of factors. Mane and Salah left for Afcon and when they returned, Luis Diaz had joined. This forced Jota to play outwide a lot more. Before Diaz joined, Jota had been playing more games centrally.
Alexander Arnold's defensive weaknesses are more than acceptable when he's assisting 15-20 goals a season and whipping in dozens of unbelievable crosses ever game, but he's not even doing that anymore.
@@nevilleachero8054 guess who's job it is to retain possession? Half the midfield would rather hide behind op players than receive it. And some try reinvent the 6 position and try attack the opposition box.
Trent is actually top of the league in successful passes into the opposition box and successful progressive passes in the opposition half this season, and by some margin. So his lack of assists may be more due to the front line underperforming
I'm a Leeds fan, and while I agree with everything you are saying, I still think that with the players Liverpool has available, they should not be losing to the likes of Leeds under Jessie Marsch, and other teams who have nothing LIKE the quality players that Liverpool have, even with all their injuries.
Yeah, but you gotta take into account that Liverpool also plays in the Champions League. AND that they've been playing their high intensity-high press style of football for ages, now, and always competing both in England and Europe (last year they reached the finals in the Carabao Cup, the FA Cup and the Champions League, actually meaning they played EVERY SINGLE GAME available). It's only normal that what they do ends up being more tiring then what other teams do, and that makes their players easily prone to injuries, and wears out rapidly the ones playing too. If you're tired it's hard to keep up the pressing or cover back in defense running. Injuries are actually quite devastating for them, because yeah, they can still pull up a good starting XI, but without any rotation in that, and by having the same 11-13 players always playing twice a week, it gets to be exhausting really fast.
@@ciciuk3695 The way Leeds play is exausting too! But if all the small teams have learned to play through, or better still, over their press, why do the big teams have problems?
I mean as a manager that relies on pressing you can't possibly keep motivating the players to press and press season after season. It just gets harder and harder to do each year. So they won a couple of trophies at the beginning and now they have to repeat it again and again it's just tiring and not possible
i think their real struggles are against teams who sit back and counter , against teams that play possesion based football , they've been good generally
This page can make a video about why United's tactics were "bad", 10 seconds after the game ends, but why has it taken almost half a season to point out what everyone knew after the first game of the season?
Rather than making a triangle in midfield , they should put Fabinho in middle and split the CB pairing , compensating for the full backs bombing forward . Then have a flat 4 in front of the 3 , giving a block which can act as a barrier leaving not much space for counter.
An important aspect you didn't mention is the lack of coaching time this season With the changes due to transfers and then through injuries, the style of play has clearly been affected but at the same time the coaching team cannot sort it out on the training pitch because they're playing every 3-4 days. Therefore, the WC break is crucial for Liverpool as it would give them that training time while also serving as a rest period for some of the players to get their fitness/intensity levels back up hopefully.
@@MemesOfProduction69 United haven't had much injuries to deal with. They are doing better than before but not as good as the results suggest, expect them to cool down soon imo.
@@xyush4025 I wouldnt be surprised if United push on and secure a comfortable top 4 spot this season. Looking at their squad and the potential moving parts a small investment in January up front and a back up RB and they should be good to go till summer. Liverpool on the other hand could be 2-3 summer windows away from fixing the mess that is their squad if they stick to their current spending tendencies. Ill be honest and admit i thought it would fall apart last season, I was a tad early in my prediction. Nearly every key contributor is over 30 and they have a collection of injury prone players they are relying on. On top of that they rather bizarrely chose to invest a significant portion of their summer budget on a forward who, while he may turn into a world class player, is nothing close to the profile of CF that has worked for them in the past. 2 inside forwards who want to cut in and shoot and a target man with (at least right now) poor link up play was never going to make a cohesive attacking line. It appears (based on what im reading online) that a lot of Liverpool fans are pinning their hopes on Bellingham in the summer. There is a 100% chance that between Man City, Madrid, United and Chelsea that Liverpool, who may not even have UCL football as an attraction, will get priced out of that move on both wages and transfer fee. Thats before we address the fact that a 130m midfielder does not fix the underlying lack of squad depth that cant be fixed if the whole budget goes on one player.
@@Adam-xe5xm thing is that United are currently averaging 2ppg that assuredly is top 4 form but that has also been exceedingly difficult to achieve in the PL recently. If Ten Haag manages to finish around 75 points in his first season that would be a helluva achievement but I don't think it's likely. Ofc he could finish on 60 something and still get top 4.
@@Adam-xe5xm on the transfers aspect - on Utd side I really wouldn't be too optimistic given their track record and yes they keep saying we're finally gonna get it right but I'll believe it when I see it On Liverpool, yes it has been tough coz the owners have refused to invest in the squad since the pandemic. There's never been anything concrete on Bellingham actually but the interest in Tchouameni was 100% real so would the club have bought both Tchou and Nunez? It's impossible to say therefore it's impossible to understand where exactly does the ownership stand now. On being reliant on injury-prone players, I think only Thiago is integral to the first xi, however I do understand it is a big problem that 3 of your midfield options are crocks.
trying for every competition last season despite lack of depth to rotate then not fixing the midfield before this season start ment playing with the same exhausted injury prone old players
7:10 basically, for the first time ever, "best RB in the World" Taa is being asked to defend, and suddenly Liverpool are shipping goals like sweets on Halloween.
If you think about our best 11, it's Alisson, Arnold, Konate, Van dijk, robertson, Henderson, Fabinho, Thiago, Salah, Nunez (or Firmino) and Diaz. All our miedfilder are injury prones, and the replacements too: Keita, Ox, Jones, Milner...Arthur...the only player who can play free is Elliott. In defence, Konate is a good player but often injured, Matip the same, Gomez isn't at the level of those two and always injured. Diaz is an amazing player, now injured, and Jota, his replacement, is injured. We need less injured prone players, maybe even not as strong as Matip, Jota or Keita, but players who can actually play.
It's fatigue. They played every game possible last year and had no real break as the season started earlier because FIFA decided to give the world cup to a nation where summer temps are 40°+ Fatigued players get injured more too.
For as long as Liverpool have been performing really well, their team has been pretty fixed. The first 11 are really strong, but Klopp doesn't seem to like rotating players. When it works, it works really well, and you have a trophy winning season, but when injuries happen, and you have a condensed fixture list, it doesn't bode well.
Liverpool appear to be in a transition period however can still get results in the champions league but struggle in the prem. have done so for years until recently. we make content too and have touched on similar things
I think the age profile thing is a bit nonsensical. You've got Alisson counting as a player past his peak for example. 30 is not even close to past it for keepers. Same with players like Salah, the condition he is in you know he'll be playing top level well into his 30's. With modern sports sci and nutrition, the goal posts for a players peak have to have moved to 25-33 surely? Also like there's nothing wrong with young players being key either right? When we won the cl TAA was as key as anyone. Anyway great vid, just found that part to be slightly selective! 👍
nowadays salah plays too bland, team needs an actual CAM and trent fking sucks in defence, vvd starts to declain and they dont have other brilliant CB, mane left cuz salah was favorised, i would ve rather sell salah instead of mane, get nunez and you have something new in attack, and better than the front with salah who ain t that much without trent's passes
Only team I've ever seen that was able to be really successful & win loads of titles, while still keeping up the same levels of intensity that won them those titles, was Alex Ferguson's Man Utd teams & even he had to rebuild that squad about 3 or 4 times. It's the main reason Jose Mourinho struggles to have long-term success at a club. He tends to use a very small squad & he asks his players to play with complete commitment & intensity. Now it's possible to maintain that level for one, or maybe two seasons but after that there is always a natural drop-off. Players simply become burnt-out by the physical & mental effort required to operate at that sort of level of intensity for extended periods of time.
World cup 98 on the Nintendo 64 was my first ever video game given on Christmas by my father. Who never cared for video games (while being a programmer) but absolutely creamed me since he read the instructions and knew how to sprint haha.. (you could dive in that game too.. wow) Just wanted to share that personal story since that WC and game had such a formulative effect on my childhood Also love y'alls videos and especially (as a United fan) love Liverpudlian struggles
People say about Liverpool still finishing 3rd despite the biggest injury crisis the Premier League had ever seen up to that point during empty stadium season, but everyone forgets that Liverpool were top of the league at Christmas that season, so they had less to do to achieve top 4 with no players than they do now with no players.
Is red bad in the goals conceded chart? From what I could read, it seemed like the opposite was true (blue means that they're allowing more goals than xG; read means allowing less than xG). But, maybe I'm reading wrong...
idk but they should sign a right back and move AA to CM position he plays as a CM anyway and the right stays exposed :D. Feels also that the main players after few years of winning got washed up.
Another small thing which has helped opposition teams against Liverpool (and City to be fair) is the change to the enforcement of the offside law. Van Dijk has said many times he dislikes the way linesmen cannot make calls any more in case they’re wrong. So even when a player is obviously offside, no call is made unless there’s a goal. It leads to uncertainty and doubt in the back line, and is very effective against high line teams like Liverpool, because it causes the defence to make more sprints and the line to drop. Just another small thing to add to the pile of problems Klopp and co have. Can’t wait till we have automatic offsides.
Renovate and increasing wages of the players of 2019 Champions League and 2020 Premier League ( most for just reconossance to what they achieved). But....time goes by..... We are in 2022/2023....the same about the manager. Need a deep general refreshment. It's very important to build a winning squad ( klopp did!!!) even more important is to plan a squad renovation during 2/3 years...( that wasn't done)
The combined age and injury record of Fabinho, Milner and Thiago is the crux of the problem who are backed up by an even more injury prone trio of Jones, Keita and Ox. LFC do not have a box-to-box midfielder who can play a combo of gegenpressen AND 433.
Does the data exist from 2007-2011? I would like to see these graphs about Manchester United from 2008 - 2011 when they were dominating England and went to 3 UCL final in 4 seasons
Not an LFC fan but here’s my $0.02: FSG is ruining the club. Klopp does so well every season, always competing with City and winning trophies, but he does not get nearly as much as clubs like United, Chelsea, and City get to. LFC is a rich team because of Klopp. FSG simply take the money for themselves or for their other sports teams. And I know they spent £85M (rising to £100M) on Nuñez, but that team needs a few more players to compete as they do not have the squad depth to consistently challenge for trophies
Can you discuss Tottenham post Conte there are not a lot of managers who play Conte style of football and the ones that do would not be a big name and hence no patience for the style of football they would play. But the real problem starts when they bring a different system manager,they are overstocked with fullback/wingbacks that probably no other team would like to buy there is no creativity in midfield, Kane and son would probably like to move on after Conte,Kane probably for free or cheaper than 100mn if they try to sell next summer. The restructure would be too big and expensive as creative and forward player come at premium price.They need Conte to stay for them to be anywhere near top 6.
Seems to me that the 4-4-2, the way they play it, is not actually all that different from the 4-3-3. So it doesn't help them freshen up the squad and it doesn't cover for the fullbacks either. Wouldn't a 3-5-2 or a 3-4-3 be better for that? They'd could still have the wingbacks bomb forward but the opponents couldn't just play balls into their space because there would be already a centrehalf there.
@@ethanderrick8486 You don't have to have a typical centrehalf play there. You could play people in one of the side CB positions who are more comfortable playing in space. like fullbacks (eg. Walker for England, Davies for Tottenham, Danilo for Juventus) or central midfielders (eg. Dier for Tottenham, Witsel for Atlético). I bet Milner could play there. Fabinho has also played CB for both Monaco and Liverpool.
@@bri1085 You didn't you watch the video or Liverpool in general? Recently opponents' gameplan consists of "let's play the ball into the channels and outrun their fullbacks, especially the right side". Liverpool's attacking tactics are based on their fullbacks getting into the attacking third, especially Alexander Arnold. They're under huge demands physically to run up and down the pitch to provide attacking width and still be in position in defense after they've lost the ball. Especially if they are knackered, the space behind them can be and has been exploited with great success. That's why it would make sense to play with not 2 CBs but 3. They can cover space laterally so when Liverpool loses the ball, the opponent can't attack that space because there is already a CB there.
@@andrasszabo1570 teams are hardly scoring from situations where the fullbacks are high either. Most of the problems are in midfield, you're suggestion leaves the team either a midfielder or a forward short. Making the less effective in possession
I'm a liverpool fan and I think it's pretty stupid of liverpool to not catch up to their opponents catching up the play they've been following the past 2 years in the least. Trent isn't performing well now because his tactics have become too predictable, and I've noticed he's not able to put in any crosses as much anymore, it's always blocked because it's too low.
It seems like its so many factors, from injuries to Nunez simply being unable to see when to pass and when to shoot, it will take sometime to get the team working again but i think if there is a coach who can make a team be great again it is Klopp
@@SASMADBRUV7 he is part of the issue, from the top of my head i can count at least 3 times i saw him not giving a pass for a great opportunity and then wasting it, he is part of the issue, obviously not the only one, we know if it was Mane, those chances would be most likely scored
Why is it hard for people to miss understand that we played the maximum amount of games you can possibly play last season. That will create fatigue and injury prone players. Pepijn Lijnders our #2 was also under scrutiny for writing book 'intensity' on Liverpool's tactics - which were exposed in 4-1 Napoli game. I think Sadio Mane also plays a part of the well oiled machine and the missing components have not yet manifested in terms of replacement pieces. We are most weak in the midfield. Which is our main issue
Klopp had the same issue at Dortmund he is now having at Liverpool. The insistent counter pressing from the forward players and aggressive positioning of full backs who are expected to track back I'd extremely demanding on players. I honestly believe that in the long term Klopp football is not sustainable for players over the course of 50 games season upon season. Perhaps for one or two season players can operate at the level but after two seasons, as players age or develop, they can't be expected to continue to press in the same way.
Well, we've seen it from 2 seasons ago that this midfield is going down.. they need to spend 200mil for the midfield and fsg knows that the team is at the end of an era and opted to sell.. coincidence? I think not..
- Playing an intense style of football with most players proven to be fairly susceptible to injuries is pretty much a recipe for disaster waiting to happen 🙂 now add to that this season's loaded schedule... - Since April of last season, the mentality monsters that Liverpool were known to be started to show some cracks in that department, drama started to creep in and everything fell apart since. - Van Dijk's injury, and Mané's departure, also help prove that Liverpool are too reliant on player ability. And while he is very efficient, ability-wise, Salah isn't as good as his numbers showcase, and with heavier pockets now, it is understandable to see him slow down. So doubts over him being able to carry the team (i.e. make others around him play better) the same way Mané did in the past are more than plausible.
That pressing intensity map looks a bit like a map of the Indian Ocean, with the coastline of Africa, India, Asia etc. Which means Liverpool's fortunes should improve dramatically as we go into the 22/23 season/Far East (Eastern China, Korea, Siberia).
Questions about the use of data here: - Liverpool's regain data looks similar this year to when they won in the league in 19/20, so how can we use that to say that they are doing poorly? - Surely it's better to look at xG rather than fluctuations around xG? E.g. I would think that comparing their xG this year to 19/20 would be more informative. xG is meant to be a more error free data source than actual goals.
I think everyone is aware we cant spend as much as certain clubs but we all should be expecting investment that align with our needs. We have needed a midfielder for some time now and still haven't got one before Thiago, Keita was the last senior midfielder we bought. We have been fortunate that most of our signings have been good due to good recruitment but the market has changed so we need to adjust. For a club that's finished in the top 4 for 6 out of the 7 years Klopp has been there we sure didn't spend like we want to stay there Fabinho looks exhausted and Keita and Ox should have been sold to get some money and invest.
We all know how good Klopp is, but even his tactics don't work sometimes and teams adapt their playing styles. This shows how good Man city & pep are. Season after season, they have dominated EPL in the last decade and no team except liverpool came close to touching them, let alone displacing
I think their biggest issue has been locker room chemistry. I think things broke down between Salah and Mane -- which, how could it not when they had to face each other in two consecutive continental finals under the circumstances that they did? Klopp stating before the season that City had already won the title didn't help things either. JJ mentioned "lack of cohesion" and I think those issues are extending far beyond what's happening on the pitch.
The "Liverpool tactics" got found out explanation has to be the most hilarious I've heard in ages. Especially given we talk about the team that reached every final a couple of weeks ago and got 2nd in the EPL, beaten by one point. Klopps system was already played in Dortmund. It's not a huge secret. Neither are the systems of pep, or any other big manager. The reason Liverpool is struggling is partly mentally and partly due to not replenishing the squad, which is the fault of the ownership. Liverpool never managed to actively and ruthlessly move players in and out of the club in a frequency like man city does it. Which means Liverpool would have to invest a lot, since they won't get enough from selling older players to compensate for the investment and it's clearly the ownership has set a fixed amount. Add to that the EPL premium English clubs have to pay and Liverpool's successful record of recent years, which gives clubs an additional incentive to try to get the most out of their transfers. If Liverpool would have an ownership like city, Newcastle or Paris, where neither money nor morals play any role, they could and would address the issues fast. Liverpool is still world class and is able to beat any club, they just ran out of gas to do it on a regular basis.
Liverpool is so bad, even Tifo has made 4 videos about them already this season. Not to mention in each of the podcast, Liverpool always been mentioned
it's a drop-off...I mean losing the pl by 1 point and cl by 1 goal after the crazy run...and then having to do it again so soon...drop off also injuries to key players...both jota and Diaz keita out for ages...happy chamberlain came on against spurs matip is excellent...gomez is 25...out of form a bit...keita and chamberlain injury prone...hoping Thiago can become modric and milner is more fit than neymar. lastly mane was a keystone
alexander arnold is the common denominator yet jj is unwilling to say players are bad at certain things. in alexander arnold's case, it's defending and having tactical awareness. if he's constantly out of position and not covering the spaces he's supposed to, then he's not good at the task assigned to him. he's a bad defender.
Previous video (that I watched) he wore Zidane's jersey from France 98. This video he's wearing France 98. My older brother said there hasn't been a better world cup since then. Is that true or it's just nostalgia on his part LOL
Could you talk about Liverpool's failure to keep possession of the ball? Teams are now playing with a tiki-taka style and they are able to remain poised when under pressure.
I think Klopp needs to be questioned for not updating his tactics properly until only this year. You cant keep thr same players and/or system for over 4 seasons without other cosches adapting
An average analysis overall from JJ. He didn't once mention the collosal decline in Fabinho... The absence of any pressure in midfield would hurt any team. JJ makes a brilliant emphasis on the intensity - it is key to how Klopp has always played. Of course fatigue and critical injuries are the No.1 issue. Mané is also a major loss from the front line due to his clever pressing & experience. However, it was the overperformance in 63 fixtures last season combined with the crushing defeat in the Champions League Final that is central to their apparent 'decline' issue this year. They are just psychologically and physically spent. Henderson played 54 matches which was astonishing. The Liverpool squad have not had a break for two years. Inevitable regression to the mean needs to be taken into account. JJ also didn't mention the 4-2-3-1 switch or the 4-1-4-1 that has been tried in recent weeks. The World Cup break will help somewhat but 4th place will be a huge struggle. ⚽
Their midfield really needs a revamp, their defensive and offensive issues are exacerbated because of the decline of the work rate of the midfield
midfield has needed a revamp for like two years but it’s always “next summer” or “keïta and ox are back” or “we’re saving up for bellingham”
@@Blurifying true, relying on guys like ox (injury prone) for squad depth has caught up to them. The players aren’t getting any younger and their style demands constant pressure
Fabinho also been bad the past 2 seasons and the aging Henderson won't be able to save them for long either.
with both full back so aggressive, maybe a back 3 would be better for them (they'd need to sign at least 2 CB, a left footed CB would be nice so VVD can play centrally).
@@stnbch3025 maybe, but it would mitigate the problem
It¡s not their work rate, it's their capability. it comes with age and years of running yourself into the ground.
They can’t blame injuries when the club failed to address the injury prone & aging squad. Why keep the likes of Keita, Chamberlain, Matip, Gomez, Milner, yes even Thiago(who’s excellent but injury prone). The tactics have been found out by other teams & L’pool really have no plan B, as much as Klopp says otherwise. Not sure if it’s FSG being tight with the purse strings or Klopp being stubborn & insisting that his squad is fine. They even got Arthur Melo, an injury prone player to cover already injured players, who’s currently out injured himself. Brilliant.
It's a concoction of everything you said
They really hit the jackpot with Artur Mello and they sold takumi minamino , he was never given time to really settle , always on bench dude wld have lit up pl if given consicutive starts
Klopp first agenda in Liverpool has become his lame excuses after deteriorating performances !!
Nothing to do with tactics mate👍
What did Matip do wrong? He's actually one of the better players. Also that's an excessive amount of players to remove, just unrealistic.
Mane was a pressing machine, and very vital to their pressing and its gonna be hard for liverpool to get their pressing intensity back.
Last season took a toll on many teams. West ham to Leicester and even Chelsea
didnt take a toll on Arsenal and man city
They reinforced their non-ageing squad.
@@bigredxxx Arsenal have a very youthful squad and City are well-known for buying many players every season.
@@bigredxxx arsenal who had no European football?
@@liverbot4854 *whilst having a lower net spend than the rest of the top 6. you mentioned it in 2018, so we can now :)
One point, when you built your game for years on running and dynamism, your players are going to wear out more quickly and you are going to get more injuries than teams that press and run less. So I don't think it is mere bad luck that we have so many injuries. If anything it highlights an even more important need for style change OR personnel change to keep fresh legs in the squad.
exactly. You keep pressing year after year at such a high intensity it's not sustainable
ManCity want to have a word with you
@@NotSoLiberal what do they have to do with anything
That's where squad rotation comes in. You can do it but you need 2 XIs which are as good as each other, swapping in and out. With quality youth players who are fit, able to take some matches against weaker teams or as injury cover.
Liverpool don't have that. Only City do to that extent.
@@MountRushCollymore they play with intensity without crying about it
One thing those data lines confirm is that the problems they are facing actually started long before this season so it's not as simple a case of they sold this player or this season's injuries that are to blame.
I am probably in the minority here but I believed last season especially for the 2nd half, Alisson had a good shout to be Liverpool's player of the season. He was making far too many one-on-one saves. He played as big a role in helping Liverpool challenge for the title. The Spurs game in particular, if not for Ali that could have been another 7-2! I know Klopp would say it's part of how they play in terms of risk but I've never seen them that open.
Which makes me wonder, I assume their analysts have access to the same data and more. How come they didn't pick up on this and insist on new additions in midfield in particular.
The offside trap was just that aggressive, this season Alisson is hardly being put into 1v1 situations for it to be a continuation
The analysts most likely did pick up on it. But, the analysts are not the ones who hold the purse strings. FSG are.
Absolutely spot on. With Konate they could play very aggressively and very high, something which is impossible without the protection of a fit Fabinho. The Liverpool coaches knew about the lack of midfield depth but were foolishly banking on Keita, Jones being fit! My sources say that they also hoped that Firmino would be dropping in as a '10'. They had already thought about transitioning the shape to a lopsided 4-2-3-1 with Alcantara playing a bit deeper. It was never the plan this season for all of the old midfielders to be playing. However, Klopp never intended for both Carvalho & Elliott to be in the same XI. Ultimately, FSG were not prepared to open their chequebook any further... It will very likely cost them a Champions League place next season.
@@KloppMichaelBarnes When they got Nunez, I agree I also thought it would 4-2-3-1. I also felt they would need one more midfielder who can fill in for Thiago because Keita aside nobody even comes to offering those kind of skills. And the other guys like Hendo, Oxlade and Jones don't seem to be midfielders who can play as a part of a two.
So I was puzzled they didn't get a midfielder before preseason. I was even more confused when they chose to ignore the midfield after Thiago, Jones, Oxlade and Keita got injured. I get FSG not loosening the purse strings but their financial model is based on qualifying for the champions league. So if that gets compromised because they wanted to save a few million, that would be a very bad look. Do also feel pity for youngsters like Jones. Being asked to play multiple roles without being given time to at least master one
It’s FSG and Klopp. Some said Klopp has too much faith, too fond with his players.
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At 3:20 he mentioned that they won the league at the backend of the season during the title winning campaign, but liverpool had already wrapped up the league by then.
He most likely had it the wrong way around. Liverpool vastly overperformed during the first half of that season. They must have had 10 one-goal wins, a lot of them coming late on. Later on the season, starting with the Watford loss, Liverpool were quite poor.
Yeah, weren't they like far off by November?
Your name is utterly insane - like a magic spell or something. Fair play boyo
Those charts are deceptive. Red means Liverpool performed below their xG/xG against. Meaning that in red periods they were "unlucky" or "less clinical" or "made more errors" than xG would suggest. In blue phases, they were "lucky" or "more clinical/ made fewer errors" since the results were better than xG would suggest.
Back half of 19/20 we shouldn't have won as many but we did.
@@clegsmegson2627 your name is Cleg Smegson
Mané's pressure from the front was vital in protecting the midfield and in turn the full backs
I honestly believe that change to 3-4-3 system is a way better solution than what Klopp's doing at the moment. Robertson and TAA playing as wing-backs will suit them better and having 3 center-backs will greatly help with the compactness of the defence in transitional moments.
They literally don’t have enough CBs to do a 3-4-3. They acquire and hold onto too many injury prone players and so it’s caught up to them again this season. They’ve held onto the likes of Keita Ox and keep bringing in injury prone players like Konate who aren’t available for long periods or aren’t good enough to start or change anything even if they were.
But would it be the case that a 343 system requires even more pressing? And also 343 always doesn't work out against low blocks
It will make for the fact they can’t defend if their lives depend on it. Though since Klopp is supposed to be in the top 3 coaches in the world, surely he should be able to teach them how to defend?
@@iangascoigne8231 Are you suggesting that the team with the best defensive record over the last few seasons, doesn't know how to defend? If you actually watched the video, it's not as simple as "teaching them how to defend".
There's loads of injuries, new players, aging midfield + confidence issues. And a very packed schedule of games.
@@zaidabraham7310 They’re not now are they? Trent and Roberson can’t defend to save their lives. They’ve been found out. Though where would we be without the Liverpool fans looking for something else to blame? Which Btw other teams have had to cope with.
I think it all stems from a dysfunctional midfield. Fabinho is awful now. Elliott is not a midfielder. Thiago is top class but can lack mobility. Henderson has been awful.
We relied on our midfield being functional, energetic and smart. Now teams either counter us or press us (like we used to) and we fold. Or we just make stupid mistakes.
It’s simply a fatigue issue and failure to refresh the squad
So simple, you solved the problem, you should send them an email
Pretty well sums up what happened to Spurs under Pochettino (without the trophies of course). In the last 18 months the amount of pressing just cratered. I’m keen to see how they evolve - if they can evolve.
Quite obvious they didn't bolster their midfield during the transfer window, and injuries are making them suffer. Klopp should have learned from the CB crisis they faced in the previous years.
Jürgen doesn't hold the keys to Liverpool's transfer business
@@miguelpereira9859If Man City and pep can sign Akanji for £15 M cuz he told the board that he needed a CB for more solidity and strengthen the defence then why couldn’t Liverpool sign Midfielders after that first game against Fulham or last summer. It’s not about the money anymore cuz Liverpool could easily have signed midfielders from Leicester for cheap or Akanji from Dortmund to help stable and improve their defence
I feel like a 3-4-3 or 5-2-3 with Trent ticking in as he has this season could really cover some of those spaces between the center backs, albeit with fewer numbers in midfield.
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Is there a correlation between intensity (stats like number of presses) and injury rate? Are frequencies/amount of injuries measured in stats anywhere?
I bet the short summer break and condensed schedule really doesn’t help a team that is totally dependent on intensity. I’m sure they’ll be back at some point in the near future, just need to refresh the squad a bit more.
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Second cycling off period is always worse than the first
Cant beleive ive been watching these videos for so long and not subscribed, genuinely thought i was
12:17 I would like to know when liverpool beat Man United this season
He was talking about keeping up the intensity against Man United
Very nicely put! Waiting for your book 'How to watch football' to come out! :)
they are very much missing Henderson's ability to run around the whole pitch, pressing and winning the ball back, supporting Trent whenever the opposition tries to expose the space, now when he is older and struggling with fitness he just cant do it anymore...with Mane gone and them going for Nunez, a proper striker, who all credit to him is working pretty hard and even running back to the defense to help out, they dont have that many players with a lot of energy and pressing ability, the trio of Mane-Firmino-Salah was quite hard working mainly cause of Mane and Firmino, Salah was always the one who got a pass when it comes to defending, but now they got much more attacking players in their attack, so in order for that to work you need the midfield to compensate for it and they simply dont have that atm, somebody like Laimer would be perfect to bring in that energy and hard work, Caicedo would help, obviously Bellingham is a dream but cant just bet it all on him, Rice is a great option, they just gotta start spending and not relying on Klopp to wave his magic wand season after season
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People are always forgetting to mention the loss of Mane as a factor. He was their lead presser from the front.
it was actually firmino
@@haakonlehn7539 technically speaking based on the numbers it's Jota who is Liverpool's best in terms of pressing. If you look the tables shared, you can see the pressing numbers started falling from around game 20 of last season which was around end of December. That was probably due to a combination of factors. Mane and Salah left for Afcon and when they returned, Luis Diaz had joined. This forced Jota to play outwide a lot more. Before Diaz joined, Jota had been playing more games centrally.
No, we don't forget about that, you are just keep mentioning it like it's the only reason to they poor performance, it's more than that
Alexander Arnold's defensive weaknesses are more than acceptable when he's assisting 15-20 goals a season and whipping in dozens of unbelievable crosses ever game, but he's not even doing that anymore.
That's more on the midfielders ahead, if he's consistently defending overloads than he'll look weak defensively
@@bri1085 If Liverpool kept more possession then the midfield wouldn't have to take on such a burden.
@@nevilleachero8054 guess who's job it is to retain possession? Half the midfield would rather hide behind op players than receive it. And some try reinvent the 6 position and try attack the opposition box.
i miss the times when taa just leisurely cross to far post and sadio is always there to head it in
Trent is actually top of the league in successful passes into the opposition box and successful progressive passes in the opposition half this season, and by some margin.
So his lack of assists may be more due to the front line underperforming
i suggest you make a video of what is going wrong at atletico madrid ! Keep up the fine work
I'm a Leeds fan, and while I agree with everything you are saying, I still think that with the players Liverpool has available, they should not be losing to the likes of Leeds under Jessie Marsch, and other teams who have nothing LIKE the quality players that Liverpool have, even with all their injuries.
Yes but wasn’t it a beautiful feeling to win at anfield
Yeah, but you gotta take into account that Liverpool also plays in the Champions League. AND that they've been playing their high intensity-high press style of football for ages, now, and always competing both in England and Europe (last year they reached the finals in the Carabao Cup, the FA Cup and the Champions League, actually meaning they played EVERY SINGLE GAME available). It's only normal that what they do ends up being more tiring then what other teams do, and that makes their players easily prone to injuries, and wears out rapidly the ones playing too.
If you're tired it's hard to keep up the pressing or cover back in defense running. Injuries are actually quite devastating for them, because yeah, they can still pull up a good starting XI, but without any rotation in that, and by having the same 11-13 players always playing twice a week, it gets to be exhausting really fast.
I think they can't sustain their intensity so they need to be motivated by their opponent. They can still show up against Man City, for example
@@ciciuk3695 The way Leeds play is exausting too! But if all the small teams have learned to play through, or better still, over their press, why do the big teams have problems?
I can't believe that motivation is a problem with Klopp as manager.
I'd like to add another thing. Vvd isn't the same after his acl injury
I mean as a manager that relies on pressing you can't possibly keep motivating the players to press and press season after season. It just gets harder and harder to do each year. So they won a couple of trophies at the beginning and now they have to repeat it again and again it's just tiring and not possible
Thanks again for a very insightful analysis. Really learned a lot here.
i think their real struggles are against teams who sit back and counter , against teams that play possesion based football , they've been good generally
in other word, most mid to low table teams with mediocre players.
Good observation but that's not the case in UCL
This page can make a video about why United's tactics were "bad", 10 seconds after the game ends, but why has it taken almost half a season to point out what everyone knew after the first game of the season?
The gap essentially turns them into a long ball team, which doesn't really suit most of the players
Rather than making a triangle in midfield , they should put Fabinho in middle and split the CB pairing , compensating for the full backs bombing forward .
Then have a flat 4 in front of the 3 , giving a block which can act as a barrier leaving not much space for counter.
An important aspect you didn't mention is the lack of coaching time this season With the changes due to transfers and then through injuries, the style of play has clearly been affected but at the same time the coaching team cannot sort it out on the training pitch because they're playing every 3-4 days. Therefore, the WC break is crucial for Liverpool as it would give them that training time while also serving as a rest period for some of the players to get their fitness/intensity levels back up hopefully.
United have been able start installing a new system and have changed how they play. This is a pitiful excuse.
@@MemesOfProduction69 United haven't had much injuries to deal with. They are doing better than before but not as good as the results suggest, expect them to cool down soon imo.
@@xyush4025 I wouldnt be surprised if United push on and secure a comfortable top 4 spot this season. Looking at their squad and the potential moving parts a small investment in January up front and a back up RB and they should be good to go till summer.
Liverpool on the other hand could be 2-3 summer windows away from fixing the mess that is their squad if they stick to their current spending tendencies. Ill be honest and admit i thought it would fall apart last season, I was a tad early in my prediction. Nearly every key contributor is over 30 and they have a collection of injury prone players they are relying on. On top of that they rather bizarrely chose to invest a significant portion of their summer budget on a forward who, while he may turn into a world class player, is nothing close to the profile of CF that has worked for them in the past. 2 inside forwards who want to cut in and shoot and a target man with (at least right now) poor link up play was never going to make a cohesive attacking line. It appears (based on what im reading online) that a lot of Liverpool fans are pinning their hopes on Bellingham in the summer. There is a 100% chance that between Man City, Madrid, United and Chelsea that Liverpool, who may not even have UCL football as an attraction, will get priced out of that move on both wages and transfer fee. Thats before we address the fact that a 130m midfielder does not fix the underlying lack of squad depth that cant be fixed if the whole budget goes on one player.
@@Adam-xe5xm thing is that United are currently averaging 2ppg that assuredly is top 4 form but that has also been exceedingly difficult to achieve in the PL recently. If Ten Haag manages to finish around 75 points in his first season that would be a helluva achievement but I don't think it's likely. Ofc he could finish on 60 something and still get top 4.
@@Adam-xe5xm on the transfers aspect - on Utd side I really wouldn't be too optimistic given their track record and yes they keep saying we're finally gonna get it right but I'll believe it when I see it
On Liverpool, yes it has been tough coz the owners have refused to invest in the squad since the pandemic. There's never been anything concrete on Bellingham actually but the interest in Tchouameni was 100% real so would the club have bought both Tchou and Nunez? It's impossible to say therefore it's impossible to understand where exactly does the ownership stand now. On being reliant on injury-prone players, I think only Thiago is integral to the first xi, however I do understand it is a big problem that 3 of your midfield options are crocks.
That's because Pep ljinders release a book on how to beat liverpool.
the lack of divock & takumi
Poor ownership leaving the squad to rot, not improving key areas for years, recruitment is awful now and Klopp is slowly losing the plot.
what's actually happened to liverpool?
-they sold origi
and the cup king minamino
trying for every competition last season despite lack of depth to rotate then not fixing the midfield before this season start ment playing with the same exhausted injury prone old players
I agree with you 💯
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7:10 basically, for the first time ever, "best RB in the World" Taa is being asked to defend, and suddenly Liverpool are shipping goals like sweets on Halloween.
He's been defending for years
If there's such variance from the expected goals vs actual, they need to reform the metric
If you think about our best 11, it's Alisson, Arnold, Konate, Van dijk, robertson, Henderson, Fabinho, Thiago, Salah, Nunez (or Firmino) and Diaz. All our miedfilder are injury prones, and the replacements too: Keita, Ox, Jones, Milner...Arthur...the only player who can play free is Elliott. In defence, Konate is a good player but often injured, Matip the same, Gomez isn't at the level of those two and always injured. Diaz is an amazing player, now injured, and Jota, his replacement, is injured. We need less injured prone players, maybe even not as strong as Matip, Jota or Keita, but players who can actually play.
Henderson isn't in the best Liverpool xi, and hasn't been since at least 2020.
It's fatigue. They played every game possible last year and had no real break as the season started earlier because FIFA decided to give the world cup to a nation where summer temps are 40°+
Fatigued players get injured more too.
why isnt TAA just played in MF? That's where he spends most of his time and pressing the defenders in the final 3rd
For as long as Liverpool have been performing really well, their team has been pretty fixed. The first 11 are really strong, but Klopp doesn't seem to like rotating players. When it works, it works really well, and you have a trophy winning season, but when injuries happen, and you have a condensed fixture list, it doesn't bode well.
THIS VIDEO @0:14 made me chuckle
Liverpool appear to be in a transition period however can still get results in the champions league but struggle in the prem. have done so for years until recently. we make content too and have touched on similar things
I think the age profile thing is a bit nonsensical. You've got Alisson counting as a player past his peak for example. 30 is not even close to past it for keepers. Same with players like Salah, the condition he is in you know he'll be playing top level well into his 30's. With modern sports sci and nutrition, the goal posts for a players peak have to have moved to 25-33 surely? Also like there's nothing wrong with young players being key either right? When we won the cl TAA was as key as anyone. Anyway great vid, just found that part to be slightly selective! 👍
nowadays salah plays too bland, team needs an actual CAM and trent fking sucks in defence, vvd starts to declain and they dont have other brilliant CB, mane left cuz salah was favorised, i would ve rather sell salah instead of mane, get nunez and you have something new in attack, and better than the front with salah who ain t that much without trent's passes
Only team I've ever seen that was able to be really successful & win loads of titles, while still keeping up the same levels of intensity that won them those titles, was Alex Ferguson's Man Utd teams & even he had to rebuild that squad about 3 or 4 times. It's the main reason Jose Mourinho struggles to have long-term success at a club. He tends to use a very small squad & he asks his players to play with complete commitment & intensity. Now it's possible to maintain that level for one, or maybe two seasons but after that there is always a natural drop-off. Players simply become burnt-out by the physical & mental effort required to operate at that sort of level of intensity for extended periods of time.
World cup 98 on the Nintendo 64 was my first ever video game given on Christmas by my father. Who never cared for video games (while being a programmer) but absolutely creamed me since he read the instructions and knew how to sprint haha.. (you could dive in that game too.. wow)
Just wanted to share that personal story since that WC and game had such a formulative effect on my childhood
Also love y'alls videos and especially (as a United fan) love Liverpudlian struggles
People say about Liverpool still finishing 3rd despite the biggest injury crisis the Premier League had ever seen up to that point during empty stadium season, but everyone forgets that Liverpool were top of the league at Christmas that season, so they had less to do to achieve top 4 with no players than they do now with no players.
Thiago just announced players have been holding themselves back,
Thier Focus has been not getting injured World Cup CL, then premier league last
Is red bad in the goals conceded chart? From what I could read, it seemed like the opposite was true (blue means that they're allowing more goals than xG; read means allowing less than xG). But, maybe I'm reading wrong...
2:52 that was the year liverpool's entire defence was wiped out by injuries, hence the dip
love it, thanks JJ
idk but they should sign a right back and move AA to CM position he plays as a CM anyway and the right stays exposed :D. Feels also that the main players after few years of winning got washed up.
Another small thing which has helped opposition teams against Liverpool (and City to be fair) is the change to the enforcement of the offside law. Van Dijk has said many times he dislikes the way linesmen cannot make calls any more in case they’re wrong. So even when a player is obviously offside, no call is made unless there’s a goal. It leads to uncertainty and doubt in the back line, and is very effective against high line teams like Liverpool, because it causes the defence to make more sprints and the line to drop.
Just another small thing to add to the pile of problems Klopp and co have. Can’t wait till we have automatic offsides.
That was in place last season
Renovate and increasing wages of the players of 2019 Champions League and 2020 Premier League ( most for just reconossance to what they achieved). But....time goes by..... We are in 2022/2023....the same about the manager. Need a deep general refreshment. It's very important to build a winning squad ( klopp did!!!) even more important is to plan a squad renovation during 2/3 years...( that wasn't done)
The combined age and injury record of Fabinho, Milner and Thiago is the crux of the problem who are backed up by an even more injury prone trio of Jones, Keita and Ox. LFC do not have a box-to-box midfielder who can play a combo of gegenpressen AND 433.
Does the data exist from 2007-2011? I would like to see these graphs about Manchester United from 2008 - 2011 when they were dominating England and went to 3 UCL final in 4 seasons
Not an LFC fan but here’s my $0.02: FSG is ruining the club. Klopp does so well every season, always competing with City and winning trophies, but he does not get nearly as much as clubs like United, Chelsea, and City get to. LFC is a rich team because of Klopp. FSG simply take the money for themselves or for their other sports teams.
And I know they spent £85M (rising to £100M) on Nuñez, but that team needs a few more players to compete as they do not have the squad depth to consistently challenge for trophies
JJ's t-shirts are always on point, need a video on where he gets them all
Can you discuss Tottenham post Conte there are not a lot of managers who play Conte style of football and the ones that do would not be a big name and hence no patience for the style of football they would play.
But the real problem starts when they bring a different system manager,they are overstocked with fullback/wingbacks that probably no other team would like to buy there is no creativity in midfield, Kane and son would probably like to move on after Conte,Kane probably for free or cheaper than 100mn if they try to sell next summer. The restructure would be too big and expensive as creative and forward player come at premium price.They need Conte to stay for them to be anywhere near top 6.
Seems to me that the 4-4-2, the way they play it, is not actually all that different from the 4-3-3. So it doesn't help them freshen up the squad and it doesn't cover for the fullbacks either.
Wouldn't a 3-5-2 or a 3-4-3 be better for that? They'd could still have the wingbacks bomb forward but the opponents couldn't just play balls into their space because there would be already a centrehalf there.
But who do they play at CB? They only have 4 of them
@@ethanderrick8486 You don't have to have a typical centrehalf play there. You could play people in one of the side CB positions who are more comfortable playing in space.
like fullbacks (eg. Walker for England, Davies for Tottenham, Danilo for Juventus)
or central midfielders (eg. Dier for Tottenham, Witsel for Atlético).
I bet Milner could play there. Fabinho has also played CB for both Monaco and Liverpool.
What does that solve exactly? The problem isn't necessarily the formation or even tactics, the players are knackered
@@bri1085 You didn't you watch the video or Liverpool in general? Recently opponents' gameplan consists of "let's play the ball into the channels and outrun their fullbacks, especially the right side".
Liverpool's attacking tactics are based on their fullbacks getting into the attacking third, especially Alexander Arnold. They're under huge demands physically to run up and down the pitch to provide attacking width and still be in position in defense after they've lost the ball. Especially if they are knackered, the space behind them can be and has been exploited with great success.
That's why it would make sense to play with not 2 CBs but 3. They can cover space laterally so when Liverpool loses the ball, the opponent can't attack that space because there is already a CB there.
@@andrasszabo1570 teams are hardly scoring from situations where the fullbacks are high either. Most of the problems are in midfield, you're suggestion leaves the team either a midfielder or a forward short. Making the less effective in possession
If your phone is in upright position when you pause the video while the pitch map is on, the play button fits perfectly in the centre circle
I'm a liverpool fan and I think it's pretty stupid of liverpool to not catch up to their opponents catching up the play they've been following the past 2 years in the least. Trent isn't performing well now because his tactics have become too predictable, and I've noticed he's not able to put in any crosses as much anymore, it's always blocked because it's too low.
It seems like its so many factors, from injuries to Nunez simply being unable to see when to pass and when to shoot, it will take sometime to get the team working again but i think if there is a coach who can make a team be great again it is Klopp
Nice pfp, coyg 🔥
I'm sorry but Nunez is not a a reason for our issues. It was one game against city where he didn't pass. That was it
@@SASMADBRUV7 he is part of the issue, from the top of my head i can count at least 3 times i saw him not giving a pass for a great opportunity and then wasting it, he is part of the issue, obviously not the only one, we know if it was Mane, those chances would be most likely scored
@@alexcoyg3281 at least 2 of those instances happened in the same game which was a win
@@bri1085 Very True
Why is it hard for people to miss understand that we played the maximum amount of games you can possibly play last season.
That will create fatigue and injury prone players.
Pepijn Lijnders our #2 was also under scrutiny for writing book 'intensity' on Liverpool's tactics - which were exposed in 4-1 Napoli game.
I think Sadio Mane also plays a part of the well oiled machine and the missing components have not yet manifested in terms of replacement pieces.
We are most weak in the midfield. Which is our main issue
Amazing analysis.
They can't do it without a lot of transfers, been saying it for a while Liverpool needs more players
Klopp had the same issue at Dortmund he is now having at Liverpool. The insistent counter pressing from the forward players and aggressive positioning of full backs who are expected to track back I'd extremely demanding on players.
I honestly believe that in the long term Klopp football is not sustainable for players over the course of 50 games season upon season.
Perhaps for one or two season players can operate at the level but after two seasons, as players age or develop, they can't be expected to continue to press in the same way.
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12:15 errrrrrrrrrrrrm excuse me, they did well against Utd? I seem to remember Utd being in defensive control and winning 2-1.
Well, we've seen it from 2 seasons ago that this midfield is going down.. they need to spend 200mil for the midfield and fsg knows that the team is at the end of an era and opted to sell.. coincidence? I think not..
Boys are tired. Gegen pressing and maxing out for 4 years. Boys will be back after a bit of rest
Your hair looks really nice in this video, JJ!
- Playing an intense style of football with most players proven to be fairly susceptible to injuries is pretty much a recipe for disaster waiting to happen 🙂 now add to that this season's loaded schedule...
- Since April of last season, the mentality monsters that Liverpool were known to be started to show some cracks in that department, drama started to creep in and everything fell apart since.
- Van Dijk's injury, and Mané's departure, also help prove that Liverpool are too reliant on player ability. And while he is very efficient, ability-wise, Salah isn't as good as his numbers showcase, and with heavier pockets now, it is understandable to see him slow down. So doubts over him being able to carry the team (i.e. make others around him play better) the same way Mané did in the past are more than plausible.
Nothing to do with Mane, except that he was rarely injured.
Love the T-shirt! Any idea where I can get one?
Probably in France mate.
my mum probably has mine somewhere, if you fit large boys?
Wait didn't United beat Liverpool?
That pressing intensity map looks a bit like a map of the Indian Ocean, with the coastline of Africa, India, Asia etc. Which means Liverpool's fortunes should improve dramatically as we go into the 22/23 season/Far East (Eastern China, Korea, Siberia).
Would be interesting to see whether Tifo team sees any viability in a more possession based Liverpool team with Trent Alexander Arnold as a regista?
Questions about the use of data here:
- Liverpool's regain data looks similar this year to when they won in the league in 19/20, so how can we use that to say that they are doing poorly?
- Surely it's better to look at xG rather than fluctuations around xG? E.g. I would think that comparing their xG this year to 19/20 would be more informative. xG is meant to be a more error free data source than actual goals.
I think everyone is aware we cant spend as much as certain clubs but we all should be expecting investment that align with our needs. We have needed a midfielder for some time now and still haven't got one before Thiago, Keita was the last senior midfielder we bought. We have been fortunate that most of our signings have been good due to good recruitment but the market has changed so we need to adjust. For a club that's finished in the top 4 for 6 out of the 7 years Klopp has been there we sure didn't spend like we want to stay there Fabinho looks exhausted and Keita and Ox should have been sold to get some money and invest.
We all know how good Klopp is, but even his tactics don't work sometimes and teams adapt their playing styles. This shows how good Man city & pep are. Season after season, they have dominated EPL in the last decade and no team except liverpool came close to touching them, let alone displacing
I think their biggest issue has been locker room chemistry. I think things broke down between Salah and Mane -- which, how could it not when they had to face each other in two consecutive continental finals under the circumstances that they did? Klopp stating before the season that City had already won the title didn't help things either. JJ mentioned "lack of cohesion" and I think those issues are extending far beyond what's happening on the pitch.
The "Liverpool tactics" got found out explanation has to be the most hilarious I've heard in ages. Especially given we talk about the team that reached every final a couple of weeks ago and got 2nd in the EPL, beaten by one point.
Klopps system was already played in Dortmund. It's not a huge secret. Neither are the systems of pep, or any other big manager. The reason Liverpool is struggling is partly mentally and partly due to not replenishing the squad, which is the fault of the ownership. Liverpool never managed to actively and ruthlessly move players in and out of the club in a frequency like man city does it. Which means Liverpool would have to invest a lot, since they won't get enough from selling older players to compensate for the investment and it's clearly the ownership has set a fixed amount. Add to that the EPL premium English clubs have to pay and Liverpool's successful record of recent years, which gives clubs an additional incentive to try to get the most out of their transfers.
If Liverpool would have an ownership like city, Newcastle or Paris, where neither money nor morals play any role, they could and would address the issues fast. Liverpool is still world class and is able to beat any club, they just ran out of gas to do it on a regular basis.
Lol
midfield had been a problem for a while and thiago not withstanding their signings in that area haven't been up to standard for a while.
Liverpool is so bad, even Tifo has made 4 videos about them already this season. Not to mention in each of the podcast, Liverpool always been mentioned
it's a drop-off...I mean losing the pl by 1 point and cl by 1 goal after the crazy run...and then having to do it again so soon...drop off
also injuries to key players...both jota and Diaz keita out for ages...happy chamberlain came on against spurs
matip is excellent...gomez is 25...out of form a bit...keita and chamberlain injury prone...hoping Thiago can become modric and milner is more fit than neymar.
lastly mane was a keystone
alexander arnold is the common denominator yet jj is unwilling to say players are bad at certain things. in alexander arnold's case, it's defending and having tactical awareness. if he's constantly out of position and not covering the spaces he's supposed to, then he's not good at the task assigned to him. he's a bad defender.
Previous video (that I watched) he wore Zidane's jersey from France 98. This video he's wearing France 98. My older brother said there hasn't been a better world cup since then. Is that true or it's just nostalgia on his part LOL
Could you talk about Liverpool's failure to keep possession of the ball? Teams are now playing with a tiki-taka style and they are able to remain poised when under pressure.
I think Klopp needs to be questioned for not updating his tactics properly until only this year. You cant keep thr same players and/or system for over 4 seasons without other cosches adapting
An average analysis overall from JJ.
He didn't once mention the collosal decline in Fabinho... The absence of any pressure in midfield would hurt any team. JJ makes a brilliant emphasis on the intensity - it is key to how Klopp has always played. Of course fatigue and critical injuries are the No.1 issue. Mané is also a major loss from the front line due to his clever pressing & experience. However, it was the overperformance in 63 fixtures last season combined with the crushing defeat in the Champions League Final that is central to their apparent 'decline' issue this year. They are just psychologically and physically spent. Henderson played 54 matches which was astonishing. The Liverpool squad have not had a break for two years. Inevitable regression to the mean needs to be taken into account.
JJ also didn't mention the 4-2-3-1 switch or the 4-1-4-1 that has been tried in recent weeks. The World Cup break will help somewhat but 4th place will be a huge struggle. ⚽
Henderson playing 54 games is astonishing for reasons other than the number of games. He was aweful