Man these three albums shaped my childhood, and you NAILED this sound. I've always felt the G12T-75 was super underrated and knew it was on these albums, just by the sound. I think this video will help its popularity. Awesome work, love your channel
I love the Marshall Vintage speakers . I have them in a Jubilee 2 by 12 cab and they are among my favorites I developed a speaker and cab addiction because of this channel .
@@dionr1168Yeah, unfortunately, cabs and speakers aren’t glamorous. They don’t get the clicks and don’t generate much TH-cam ad revenue the way amps and guitars do 😕
is there really any solid evidence to the speakers used for Justice? I don't think the notes say anything, and my own ear suggests the V30, or perhaps something outside of these two like the G12-80
I've talked to him about this and no they were 65s. That was simply because Kirk had a different cabinet that was a 300W cabinet, and even then Flemming said not to take even that 300W note as gospel because he was going by memory when he wrote it down in the first place.
@@doopo_ given that was over 15 years ago now, no I do not. However, I don't need it anyway. An understanding of the context of the equipment & knowledge of frequency attributes for the two given speakers alone can prove this. I'll copy & paste a comment reply I had made in another video a while back to give a bit of insight in regards to the equipment context.
Thanks! I prefer it too with the drums but soloed the V30 sounds better. The T75 has a raw quality to it that gels nicely with the drums but that sounds a bit crude soloed.
I really like your videos, thank you for making them for us! Content is interesting, well researched, well presented with nice visuals and calm soothing speech :) Mvh, en jävla finne :D
The T75s definitely sound more "raw" on the high mids while the V30s are smoother and have that great tight low end punch. One thing I've noticed when recording, is that the top position on an angled cab sounds better on heavy tones. I think this is because there's less comb filtering due to the indirect angle. The different speakers together sound huge! I wish you'd included a version with the drums. Thanks again for the great vid!
Excellent! You’re the first guy in TH-cam who played the VH4 into 1960BV. These will probably be my next amp and cab. Sounds mean!!! Thank you johan! By the way, would you want to do a comparison between some cabs with the Diezel VH4? I saw you also have a Diezel cab, I’m just really hesitating about what is the perfect cab for the VH4!
Thanks! Glad to hear that. That will be coming up. Have tried 4x12s of G12T75, Marshall V30, EVM12L and Greenbacks so far. All great but the greenback one that sounded fizzy.
Glad you included the L/R panned bit at the end - the combo sounds glorious! I agree with you that the t-75s have the sound. Another great demo Johan - happy new year!
Your 1x12 vs 4x12 video made me go trade some gear last month for an old 1960a loaded with 75s. Was wondering if vintage 30s would be cool and then this video pops up. Great tones!
Great tones, metal as it gets. I have Gt75's in my jcm900. A very tight and brittle speaker perfect for punchy gain. Happy new year Johan. Thanks for another year of amazing gear demos.
when i play metallica stuff, i use my dual rectifier through my 1960a with t75’s. it sounds like and justice for all so much that it is difficult to make it sound like anything else
Nice comparison! I have a JCM800 cab from 1986 or 1987 also loaded with the same T75s (unvented though) and the sound is very very similar to yours. It's perfect for that MoP tone when paired with a Mesa.
Ooooo I think I need some of this 4x12 action in my life Johan. You really captured the tone with those sweet swelling palm mutes. It’s like they breathe. The style you were playing reminds me of Anthrax’s 1986 album “Among the Living”. Maybe they used the same cabs too?
Johan, seems like you really did well with this one. Metallica are one of my favorite bands, and I can hear the album tones in these speakers. Even though James used Mesa amps, you still got really close imo, especially on Puppets/Justice with the T-75’s. Just goes to show how much speakers can affect tone. Being as versatile as you are doesn’t hurt either. You did a video a while back where you sanded the cone of a reissue greenback and got it to sound a lot less harsh and closer to the original Pre-Rola’s. I tried this with some of my own speakers, one of which was a newer G12T-75. I just didn’t like the sound of it. It was way too harsh and bright in all the wrong ways. I remembered seeing your video and I decided to take a piece of sandpaper to the cone. I’d take a bit off and then stick it back in the cab a few times before I settled on what was a much better sound, a lot smoother and more rounded. I haven’t played that speaker in a while, but I think I’ll listen to it again and try to compare with the old ones in this video. Maybe the new ones are closer than we thought to the older ones, but they just don’t form the cones the same way or use the same materials anymore! Happy experimenting my friend.
Great vid. T-75's really get a bad rap, I've always liked them. Never tried the vented ones though, and I understand they changed over the years. Maybe a T-75 comparison vid?
Thanks Sean! They’re the ultimate metal speakers along with the EVM12L. The Marshall vintage and EV works great for vintage too. I think the T75 is a bit too scooped for vintage playing with a Les Paul. The Strat works great with all three for vintage though I think. Cheers
Thanks for the insight Johan! Love all the videos, you’ve inspired me to take a closer look at speakers, which has taken me down many a rabbit holes! Happy New Year!
Hey Man I really really love your Channel. Perhaps you should consider making IR's and amp Captures with the tonex and/or quad cortex. I really think you would come up with great stuff that people would be willing to purchase.
how would these hold up in an X pattern? the sensitivity on modern v30s drowns out t75s but i wonder how the older Marshall ones would blend. thank you for taking the time to do these comparisons btw, no one else on here plays and records as well imo 🙏🏽
Thanks great to hear that! The 1980s speakers are closer to each other in terms of dB actually. When I play these two 4x12 as a full stack both are heard almost equally
You've caused me to fall in love with vintage speakers - and my wife hates you hahaha - just kidding. I love all of your videos though and you are the definitive source on vintage celestions for sure!
Τhe vented t75s are very similar to the earlier 65s tonally. For the early albums KEA,RTL and probably MOP too it's said that they used a 1960b with 65s. It was the metal speaker back then after the 70s greenback era with more wattage that high gain amps needed. T75 was introduced in 86' i believe which was the first version with the vented magnet
Don’t forget the Box Flex tone. Speakers pushed to their limits, creating a distinctive cabinet resonance. 2:52 mark of “Blackened” you can clearly hear the cabinets begging for mercy 🙏🏻💥
I played through one of those old Marshall V30 cabs that a local rehearsal studio had, and I thought it was probably the best sounding cab I've ever played through. It didn't have the midrange spike that I associate and can't stand in V30's.
@@JohanSegeborn People say Metallica probably used 65s on MOP, actually Flemming's notes say 300W cabinet, 75 x 4 = 300. May sound close because the 1984 T75 sounds pretty close to the G12-65. I tried mirrorprofiles 1984 T75 IRs and my friend said it reminds him of 65.
When I play alongside a Master of Puppets backing track from the stems I always use a G12-65 IR, anything else sounds out of place. I'm not sure if I have any 80s G12-T75 IR, I never tried that. For Black Album stuff and further on V30 or the more modern V-Type sound right.
I'll tell you a little secret, 1984 T75 IRs from mirrorprofiles sound very close to G12-65s so I guess the earliest T75 stil retained a bit of the previous model.
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Have you seen the forum post with the photo of MOP era james, holding white V standing in front of the 4x12s? I can't remember exactly which metallica gear thread, but in this thread, someone compared the size of the speaker cones in the picture, to other g12-65/g12-75, and the cone was the bigger size the same as g12-65s from the marshall 4x12 bass cabinet.
Hi! Yeah I think so. I thought all 65 and 75 had the same cone size though. The 65 444 bass version is a pretty dark speaker according to Solodallas. I have never tried one myself. I have to look intro the cone sizes. I think the dust cap is 4” for 65/75. Maybe EVM12L is slightly bigger?
@JohanSegeborn wait sorry I think I meant the dust cap in the center of the cone was the bigger one in the metallica photos. I'll have to see if I can find the post.
Ok, I’ll compare them in a video. I have a bunch of G12-65 vs G12T-75 videos but none with a mid scooped amp like this. It really sounds like 65s until Ride the lightning. After that it sounds like 75 to me.
Metallica borrowed Anthrax's equipment for RtL after their rig was stolen during the KeA tour. So it makes a lot of sense that not only it sounds like Scott Ian's tone, but the guitar sound that wound up on Metallica's 2nd album
The old 1960BV cabs are really rare. I had to get the individual speakers and compile the cab myself. These speakers came in a couple of other 80s Marshalls too
A few things. I once owned an 80s Marshall Vintage 30 I used in my Marshall dsl40. It’s our Ed amazing, I mistakenly thought it wasn’t that special and sold it with the amp and it was BYFAR the best vintage 30 I’ve used. I also have some of those old t75s and used them almost exclusively for about a decade. Awesome speakers, but as with many speakers and especially old speakers, they all sounded WAY different and only one I deemed worthy of mic’ing. Which was probably why I eventually moved on. And lastly, how big is that ride?? Haha. It’s huge!! 24??? Or is it just the angle?
Hi, I’m miking all the speakers of this 1960BV cab in this video and also compare it to a 1971 4x12: th-cam.com/video/lMKl2_t5v9M/w-d-xo.html I think the speakers differ but only relative to the other speakers in the cab. Compared to the 71 they seem pretty consistent. It’s indeed I 24” ride. Looks ridiculous over the 20” kick 😂
I always thought, even when listening to Metallica, these tones could sound better with more mids. At least some. Maybe I’m crazy, but to me metal could sound much more full without such a scooped sound. But this is really interesting! What made you think that Metallica was using the Marshall branded V30’s? Something in the sound, or would they have just been stock?
Hi, I have read that they used the 1960BV cabs and those are equipped with the Marshall version of V30. Too many factors in the sound chain to identify it by listening. Cheers
you forgot the ride the lightning one with the g12-65 that my favourite but i also like the g12t75 and the v30 both speaker has their individual character for 80s and 90s metal. i like the g12t75 for that 80s midscoop speed metal thing and the v30 for the90s early 2000 new metal thing. i know that glenn tipton of judas priest used a 4x12 with g12t75 and vintage 30 x patten combo
Johan, I don’t like 75’s that I have with Marshall’s but with my Mk lll Simul-Class Boogie they bring out the crunch. I also have 2 real broken in 65’s that need put in cabs. The only Metallica album I like is the Black album. Their other albums sound fizzy and harsh to me plus the style is the best on the black album because it is slower. I like your use of the Vintage 30’s more in this recording but your 75’s don’t sound bad-I guess there is something to newer 75’s sounding terrible especially with Marshall’s.
I also think G12T-75 generally doesn’t work well with Marshall amps. Marshall amps usually need mids turned up to get good gain and the T75 needs a more mid scooped sound. The exception to me is the JCM800 channel switching amps that can be mid scooped enough to work well with the T75
Agreed. The one 1974 modified Marshall I have sounds fantastic through my early Vintage 30’s. They’re my template for Celestions but I also have Boogie’s Custom Celestions in a 4x12 but they don’t have the same mids you’re talking about that breath fire like Vintage30’s. This Marshall does not lack low end like I feel JCM800 2204/2203’s do. Maybe my use of 75’s are best for a few dull sounding amps that need woken up. Thanks!@@JohanSegeborn
Yeah, but I haven’t recorded anything yet. My immediate impression is that the vented 75s are much closer to 75 than 65. They seem to have much more air than other 75s though. I need to record and put them back to back to know though. Video will follow shortly. Cheers
@ appreciated man. I have always been curious because so many people have called the vented 75 a high powered 65. Definitely sounds like there is a distinction between the two. Looking forward to the video!
Neither one sounded exactly like Metallica -- because they both sounded better. Brighter, crunchier, something different about the gain or distortion character...? Metallica always sounded slightly muffled, like maybe the guitar tone was rolled off, or maybe it was those parametric EQs they were supposedly using. Your tone is simply better! They should've used you as a producer or sound engineer. And your playing is as good, or better, so... maybe you should form a metal band!
This is completely incorrect. The G12-75 was NOT USED. cannot conpare at all. Ive even talked to Flemming about this way back in 2009. The 1960A cabs James used were loaded with G12-65's , again not the 75's and they sound completely different. Get a 4x12 of the 65s or this video is completely invalid. Period. Btw zero Marshall cabs prior to 1986 had anything but either G12-65 or G12H-70 speakers (more robust 65 essentially because of the heavier duty magnet) in them until Jim Marshall switched to the 75s in late 85 or early 86. Those are his words, not mine.
Yeah as I explain in the introduction it could be G12-65 or G12T-75 on these albums. I have played many of these cabs. The T75s start appearing in 1983. The particular cab I’m using in this video is from 1984. However it’s possible (but unlikely) that all these cabs originally came with 65 and have since been replaced. I also originally thought that T75 was introduced in 85-86. To confuse it further some early T75 cabs were still marked 260W (4x65) on the back. Another viewer told me that Fleming had stated that a 300W (4x75) cab was used on MoP. Did you ask Flemming if they opened up the cab? At any rate I’ll do a video on G12-65 vs G12T-75 with a mid scooped amp to learn more about it.
@@JohanSegeborn no I didn't ask him that. I just remembered him mentioning the wattage rating did not mean much for the reason of simply meaning it was not one of the other random options in the studio that he understood to be of a completely different rating, but also because Marshall was horrible about their stickers back in the day, which he didn't realize as he isn't a guitar nerd like us but rather just likes to be able to reference specific things like a type of speaker driver or amplifier for when an artist is chasing a certain sound etc. in the studio, but he said it wouldn't surprise him & that it could also be a reason for the confusion then (keep in mind I TOO originally assumed them to be 75s.) Regarding '83, there shouldnt be any cabs anywhere with a 75 unless it's been used as a replacement since they weren't available yet. In his book, he said the 65s (or the 70s for warranty purposes and the later part of '84 into '85) were standard for all factory cabinets until sometime later in 1985, unless by special request since they had become new to the market in 84 sometime. He quoted until 1985 though in the book that the G12-65s were the preferred & standard driver.5
@@JohanSegeborn I've got another tweak you should consider trying in your amp if you get bored. This has nothing to do with James Hetfield, but rather a little trick I like as a hobbyist engineer (I do a lot of work with regards to circuitry and I am currently building/developing my own design of a power amp, just not a guitar amp but rather an audiophile home audio stereo amplifier- same engineering principles apply.) Swap out your 12AX7's for some 5751 (Sylvania, tung-sol, & RCA NOS are all stellar). 5751's are a 12AX7 direct variant originally specified by the military for use, but later adopted into consumer electronics as well. The difference is that the 5751 have a slightly lower GM of 70 rather than the 100 of the 12ax7's, but at the same time you actually get an INCREASE in current output from them. What does this mean and what does it do for your sound?: simply put, this allows for slightly less voltage gain, which you may think to yourself "why would I want less voltage gain?" And the reason being is that by lowering the gm to 70, this is about a perfect level of moderate/high gain to correctly feed any following stage of a driver circuit or the power section + this reduces all of the micro noise and resonances you don't want want being amplified into what becomes the high gain/ saturated signal. On top of that, the higher current output ALWAYS benefits the following stage(s) of the amplifier in terms of being at a more ideal input level, but, more importantly, this will either increase the low end capabilities slightly and/or it will provide for better control of the low end of the signal being feed through and then output from the power section. So, in other words, smoother (not less bright or a direct tonal change, necessarily) & with better definition/clarity and with a slightly fuller & tighter tone. Again, don't let the slight 'decrease' in voltage gain scare you away as this is generally a good thing in the input section as 12ax7s amplify everything both good & bad. Try it & I bet you will love what you hear 😃
Man these three albums shaped my childhood, and you NAILED this sound. I've always felt the G12T-75 was super underrated and knew it was on these albums, just by the sound. I think this video will help its popularity. Awesome work, love your channel
Thanks, great to hear that!
I love the Marshall Vintage speakers . I have them in a Jubilee 2 by 12 cab and they are among my favorites
I developed a speaker and cab addiction because of this channel .
Hahaha! My deepest apologies 😆
The real MVP of this one is that Diezel copping the old Mark sounds 😍
That only proves what Glenn Fricker has been screaming from the rooftops for roughly a decade; that tone is in the speakers.
@@dionr1168Yeah, unfortunately, cabs and speakers aren’t glamorous. They don’t get the clicks and don’t generate much TH-cam ad revenue the way amps and guitars do 😕
Yeah that amp is amazing
I'm a mesa mark fanboy and I can admit 95% of was affects tone is all in from cabinet/ speakers
Man, Marshall needs to pay you a C-level salary. Such a great content.
Thanks man, great to hear that!
You nailed it. Flemming Rasmussen stated in his notes the cabs on Master and Justice were 300 watt Marshalls, so it stands to reason they were 75s.
Thanks Joshua, great to hear that!
is there really any solid evidence to the speakers used for Justice? I don't think the notes say anything, and my own ear suggests the V30, or perhaps something outside of these two like the G12-80
I've talked to him about this and no they were 65s. That was simply because Kirk had a different cabinet that was a 300W cabinet, and even then Flemming said not to take even that 300W note as gospel because he was going by memory when he wrote it down in the first place.
@@HiFiWright do you have any evidence of this discussion taking place?
@@doopo_ given that was over 15 years ago now, no I do not. However, I don't need it anyway. An understanding of the context of the equipment & knowledge of frequency attributes for the two given speakers alone can prove this. I'll copy & paste a comment reply I had made in another video a while back to give a bit of insight in regards to the equipment context.
Awesome video, great to hear the comparison between the two speakers and my favorite was at the end with both running and panned. Thanks again.
Thanks Vince!
I love your range from Hendrix to Kiss and Metallica ! We need more 80s and also 90s
Thanks man, makes my day to hear that! Yeah so many cool tones from 80s metal, thrash and grunge I wanna learn more about!
Oh, we got BOTH kinds of music - heavy AND metal! (blues bros ref)
I like the t75 here. It sounds very aggressive and in your face.
Thanks for the video, Johan!
Thanks! I prefer it too with the drums but soloed the V30 sounds better. The T75 has a raw quality to it that gels nicely with the drums but that sounds a bit crude soloed.
I really like your videos, thank you for making them for us! Content is interesting, well researched, well presented with nice visuals and calm soothing speech :) Mvh, en jävla finne :D
Thanks man! Glad to hear from a Nordic neighbour
The T75s definitely sound more "raw" on the high mids while the V30s are smoother and have that great tight low end punch. One thing I've noticed when recording, is that the top position on an angled cab sounds better on heavy tones. I think this is because there's less comb filtering due to the indirect angle.
The different speakers together sound huge! I wish you'd included a version with the drums. Thanks again for the great vid!
Thanks Elmo! Glad you like it
Excellent! You’re the first guy in TH-cam who played the VH4 into 1960BV. These will probably be my next amp and cab. Sounds mean!!! Thank you johan!
By the way, would you want to do a comparison between some cabs with the Diezel VH4? I saw you also have a Diezel cab, I’m just really hesitating about what is the perfect cab for the VH4!
Thanks! Glad to hear that. That will be coming up. Have tried 4x12s of G12T75, Marshall V30, EVM12L and Greenbacks so far. All great but the greenback one that sounded fizzy.
Glad you included the L/R panned bit at the end - the combo sounds glorious! I agree with you that the t-75s have the sound. Another great demo Johan - happy new year!
Thanks Chris! Happy New Year!
1984 sounds like the right setup.
Happy New year Johan 🎉 from Hawaii
Cheers, Darrell
Happy New Year Darrell! Cheers!
Your 1x12 vs 4x12 video made me go trade some gear last month for an old 1960a loaded with 75s. Was wondering if vintage 30s would be cool and then this video pops up. Great tones!
Thanks! Glad to hear that!
Absolutely spot on Johan! Great tones as usual. Happy New Year 👍😎🎸
Thanks J! Have a great 2025 you too!
Great tones, metal as it gets. I have Gt75's in my jcm900. A very tight and brittle speaker perfect for punchy gain. Happy new year Johan. Thanks for another year of amazing gear demos.
Thanks Colin, glad to have you here! Happy New Year!
when i play metallica stuff, i use my dual rectifier through my 1960a with t75’s. it sounds like and justice for all so much that it is difficult to make it sound like anything else
nice work Johan, you nailed the tones! Thanks for sharing and thanks for all that you do, Happy Holidays and Happy New Year, keep on Rockin' 🎸
Thanks Mark, Happy new year!
Nice comparison! I have a JCM800 cab from 1986 or 1987 also loaded with the same T75s (unvented though) and the sound is very very similar to yours. It's perfect for that MoP tone when paired with a Mesa.
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Thx Johan !!!
Let's go, going gone !!!
You hear bad things bout Vin 30s so I use a combination of Vin 30s and greenbacks newer ones 🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟
Cool yeah the greenbacks needs some help to firm up the to sound for 80s metal and onward
Great comparison. Interesting to hear this.
Thanks Ian!
Ooooo I think I need some of this 4x12 action in my life Johan. You really captured the tone with those sweet swelling palm mutes. It’s like they breathe.
The style you were playing reminds me of Anthrax’s 1986 album “Among the Living”. Maybe they used the same cabs too?
Thanks it makes my day it reminds you of Anthrax!! 🤘
@@JohanSegeborn I was thinking your palm-muting had an early Meshuggah sound to it 🗽
You nailed those tones
Thanks man, glad to hear it!
Johan, seems like you really did well with this one. Metallica are one of my favorite bands, and I can hear the album tones in these speakers. Even though James used Mesa amps, you still got really close imo, especially on Puppets/Justice with the T-75’s. Just goes to show how much speakers can affect tone. Being as versatile as you are doesn’t hurt either.
You did a video a while back where you sanded the cone of a reissue greenback and got it to sound a lot less harsh and closer to the original Pre-Rola’s. I tried this with some of my own speakers, one of which was a newer G12T-75. I just didn’t like the sound of it. It was way too harsh and bright in all the wrong ways. I remembered seeing your video and I decided to take a piece of sandpaper to the cone. I’d take a bit off and then stick it back in the cab a few times before I settled on what was a much better sound, a lot smoother and more rounded. I haven’t played that speaker in a while, but I think I’ll listen to it again and try to compare with the old ones in this video. Maybe the new ones are closer than we thought to the older ones, but they just don’t form the cones the same way or use the same materials anymore!
Happy experimenting my friend.
Thanks my friend, Happy New Year!
Welp, u nailed it again. Happy holidays johan!
Thanks, glad to hear it! Happy Holidays!
Great video man!
Thanks glad to hear that!
Great vid. T-75's really get a bad rap, I've always liked them. Never tried the vented ones though, and I understand they changed over the years. Maybe a T-75 comparison vid?
Thanks! Yeah a T75 comparison between all 3-4 versions is coming up soon
I think you could also add the album Ride the Lightning, for the cab with G12T-75
Yeah I’d guess so personally as well but many people seems to be convinced that RTL is 65s
Wicked playing Johan, you showcased both speakers nicely! Do you think they’re best suited for metal? I enjoy both for classic rock as well.
Thanks Sean! They’re the ultimate metal speakers along with the EVM12L. The Marshall vintage and EV works great for vintage too. I think the T75 is a bit too scooped for vintage playing with a Les Paul. The Strat works great with all three for vintage though I think. Cheers
Thanks for the insight Johan! Love all the videos, you’ve inspired me to take a closer look at speakers, which has taken me down many a rabbit holes! Happy New Year!
Both sound great! Nice riffing too, Johan! Happy New Year 🤘😎🤘!! Cheers!
Thanks! Great to hear it! Cheers and Happy new year! 🤘
Hey Man I really really love your Channel. Perhaps you should consider making IR's and amp Captures with the tonex and/or quad cortex. I really think you would come up with great stuff that people would be willing to purchase.
Thanks glad to hear it! Hopefully I will get to that soon. It’s a great idea. Cheers
WICKED!!!!!!! Happy New Year Johan!
Thanks man, happy new year!
Damn, 1984 cab sounds exactly like Master Of Puppets in my opinion. Very cool 👍👍
Thanks! Glad to hear it!
Aloha Johan! Hauoli Makahiki Hou! Happy New Year!!!
Happy new year Victor!
Phenomenal Johan! All the best for 2025!
Thanks Eddie! Have a great 2025 you too!
Sounds very close to me! I’d like to hear G12-80s compared in that context, too. Excellent drumming / drum sound, btw.
Thanks! I did a video on all the 1980s Celestions about 10 years ago I think
G12T-75 sounds amazing
Thanks!
You should play the Roland Jazz Chorus for the intros as-well
I love the g12t-75s
g12H and red-backs are also underrated.
Yeah the red back seems great
Damn those riffs are hittin
Thanks Simon! Glad you like them!
how would these hold up in an X pattern? the sensitivity on modern v30s drowns out t75s but i wonder how the older Marshall ones would blend. thank you for taking the time to do these comparisons btw, no one else on here plays and records as well imo 🙏🏽
Thanks great to hear that! The 1980s speakers are closer to each other in terms of dB actually. When I play these two 4x12 as a full stack both are heard almost equally
Beautiful Johan !!! 👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥🤘🤘🤘
Thanks David! ❤️
You've caused me to fall in love with vintage speakers - and my wife hates you hahaha - just kidding. I love all of your videos though and you are the definitive source on vintage celestions for sure!
Thanks Jeremy! My speakers aren’t always appreciated around the flat either 😂
Τhe vented t75s are very similar to the earlier 65s tonally.
For the early albums KEA,RTL and probably MOP too it's said that they used a 1960b with 65s.
It was the metal speaker back then after the 70s greenback era with more wattage that high gain amps needed.
T75 was introduced in 86' i believe which was the first version with the vented magnet
It was introduced in 83 actually, the 75s I’m playing here are from 84.
That's what I also said, yeah.
Don’t forget the Box Flex tone. Speakers pushed to their limits, creating a distinctive cabinet resonance. 2:52 mark of “Blackened” you can clearly hear the cabinets begging for mercy 🙏🏻💥
Yeah I played at medium volume here.
Blackened was, unfortunately, VERY clipped in the guitar signal to make up for the lack of bass guitar tracks.
@ The album was an Analog recording. Any digital clipping you hear was in the Analog to Digital conversion process for CD duplication.
@Ontariosound
The tape sounded super muddy too. Lars boosted the bass on the guitar. It is a shit recording.
Vintage ALL THE WAY! Those drivers sound incredible. Or......................maybe both at the same time! Happy New Year!
Thanks Mike! Happy New Year!
@@JohanSegeborn Tuson Takk!
That's THE sound
Thanks!
sounds very much like Metallica, nice work!
Thanks Robert! Glad to hear it
Thank you ❤❤❤
Cheers!
Ahh man I wish you had a Mark IIC+ reissue for this video. That would be peak
I’m gonna look for one to compare to the Diezel
"HI.."
I know when I hear this, it's gonna be a fun video.
Thanks my friend
I played through one of those old Marshall V30 cabs that a local rehearsal studio had, and I thought it was probably the best sounding cab I've ever played through. It didn't have the midrange spike that I associate and can't stand in V30's.
Yeah these seem much more balanced to me
Great video Johan, good palm muting! I wonder what Mark III would sound like here.
Thanks man! It would sound similar but a bit less tight.
@@JohanSegeborn People say Metallica probably used 65s on MOP, actually Flemming's notes say 300W cabinet, 75 x 4 = 300. May sound close because the 1984 T75 sounds pretty close to the G12-65. I tried mirrorprofiles 1984 T75 IRs and my friend said it reminds him of 65.
I remember reading in a guitar magazine that the black album used greenbacks for the breakup
Interesting, yeah they did many overdubs to really shape individual chords and stuff
When I play alongside a Master of Puppets backing track from the stems I always use a G12-65 IR, anything else sounds out of place. I'm not sure if I have any 80s G12-T75 IR, I never tried that.
For Black Album stuff and further on V30 or the more modern V-Type sound right.
I’ll do a 65 vs 75 comparison too
I'll tell you a little secret, 1984 T75 IRs from mirrorprofiles sound very close to G12-65s so I guess the earliest T75 stil retained a bit of the previous model.
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Have you seen the forum post with the photo of MOP era james, holding white V standing in front of the 4x12s? I can't remember exactly which metallica gear thread, but in this thread, someone compared the size of the speaker cones in the picture, to other g12-65/g12-75, and the cone was the bigger size the same as g12-65s from the marshall 4x12 bass cabinet.
Hi! Yeah I think so. I thought all 65 and 75 had the same cone size though. The 65 444 bass version is a pretty dark speaker according to Solodallas. I have never tried one myself. I have to look intro the cone sizes. I think the dust cap is 4” for 65/75. Maybe EVM12L is slightly bigger?
@JohanSegeborn wait sorry I think I meant the dust cap in the center of the cone was the bigger one in the metallica photos. I'll have to see if I can find the post.
I think they probably used older cabs with 65's. The 75's sounds like Scott Ian's tone.
Ok, I’ll compare them in a video. I have a bunch of G12-65 vs G12T-75 videos but none with a mid scooped amp like this. It really sounds like 65s until Ride the lightning. After that it sounds like 75 to me.
Metallica borrowed Anthrax's equipment for RtL after their rig was stolen during the KeA tour. So it makes a lot of sense that not only it sounds like Scott Ian's tone, but the guitar sound that wound up on Metallica's 2nd album
I would love to have a cab with thops old Vintage 30s.
The old 1960BV cabs are really rare. I had to get the individual speakers and compile the cab myself. These speakers came in a couple of other 80s Marshalls too
A few things. I once owned an 80s Marshall Vintage 30 I used in my Marshall dsl40. It’s our Ed amazing, I mistakenly thought it wasn’t that special and sold it with the amp and it was BYFAR the best vintage 30 I’ve used. I also have some of those old t75s and used them almost exclusively for about a decade. Awesome speakers, but as with many speakers and especially old speakers, they all sounded WAY different and only one I deemed worthy of mic’ing. Which was probably why I eventually moved on.
And lastly, how big is that ride?? Haha. It’s huge!! 24??? Or is it just the angle?
Hi, I’m miking all the speakers of this 1960BV cab in this video and also compare it to a 1971 4x12: th-cam.com/video/lMKl2_t5v9M/w-d-xo.html
I think the speakers differ but only relative to the other speakers in the cab. Compared to the 71 they seem pretty consistent.
It’s indeed I 24” ride. Looks ridiculous over the 20” kick 😂
was nice of your identical twin brother to play drums for you
Cheers 😉
I always thought, even when listening to Metallica, these tones could sound better with more mids. At least some. Maybe I’m crazy, but to me metal could sound much more full without such a scooped sound. But this is really interesting! What made you think that Metallica was using the Marshall branded V30’s? Something in the sound, or would they have just been stock?
Hi, I have read that they used the 1960BV cabs and those are equipped with the Marshall version of V30. Too many factors in the sound chain to identify it by listening. Cheers
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you forgot the ride the lightning one with the g12-65 that my favourite but i also like the g12t75 and the v30 both speaker has their individual character for 80s and 90s metal. i like the g12t75 for that 80s midscoop speed metal thing and the v30 for the90s early 2000 new metal thing. i know that glenn tipton of judas priest used a 4x12 with g12t75 and vintage 30 x patten combo
Cool, I love Glenn Tipton and KK!
New Metal Johan strikes again!
Cheers 😉
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Thanks man! 😄🤘
Cool video even though I'm not the least bit interested in the Metallica sound.
Thanks Stan!
Where is the late 70s and early 80s G12 65? Those would be even closer than these. You rock 🤘
Thanks, glad to hear it! I’ll compare 65 and 75 too in a video.
@@JohanSegebornplease do! My main stack are g12-65's Marshall labled with vents from 1979 and they are my favorite vintage speaker by far.
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Johan, I don’t like 75’s that I have with Marshall’s but with my Mk lll Simul-Class Boogie they bring out the crunch. I also have 2 real broken in 65’s that need put in cabs. The only Metallica album I like is the Black album. Their other albums sound fizzy and harsh to me plus the style is the best on the black album because it is slower. I like your use of the Vintage 30’s more in this recording but your 75’s don’t sound bad-I guess there is something to newer 75’s sounding terrible especially with Marshall’s.
I also think G12T-75 generally doesn’t work well with Marshall amps. Marshall amps usually need mids turned up to get good gain and the T75 needs a more mid scooped sound. The exception to me is the JCM800 channel switching amps that can be mid scooped enough to work well with the T75
Agreed. The one 1974 modified Marshall I have sounds fantastic through my early Vintage 30’s. They’re my template for Celestions but I also have Boogie’s Custom Celestions in a 4x12 but they don’t have the same mids you’re talking about that breath fire like Vintage30’s. This Marshall does not lack low end like I feel JCM800 2204/2203’s do. Maybe my use of 75’s are best for a few dull sounding amps that need woken up. Thanks!@@JohanSegeborn
Riffs @ 2:20 tell you all you need to know. Rock on, Johan! 😎
GT12-75 - Slightly more raspy, raw, and unbridled highes.
Vintage 30 - A little more refined, smoother with slightly more pronounced upper mids.
Cheers Chris!
seems correct
Thanks
Johan have you compared the vented G12T-75s to the G12-65s yet?
Yeah, but I haven’t recorded anything yet. My immediate impression is that the vented 75s are much closer to 75 than 65. They seem to have much more air than other 75s though. I need to record and put them back to back to know though. Video will follow shortly. Cheers
@ appreciated man. I have always been curious because so many people have called the vented 75 a high powered 65. Definitely sounds like there is a distinction between the two. Looking forward to the video!
You should redo this with a Mark IIC+. Borrow Ola Englund’s. 😁
Yeah I hope to compare the Mk2C+ to this amp soon
The 75"s rule. Metalahalen.
got the 80s vented
Your drum playing was too tight to be authentic Metallica😂
That’s too kind 😂 I love Lars Ulrich 🤘
It was BETTER!
let's see you play Blackened, Dyers Eve or Disposable Heroes?
Better drumming than Lars.
Thanks, glad you like the drumming.
Neither one sounded exactly like Metallica -- because they both sounded better. Brighter, crunchier, something different about the gain or distortion character...? Metallica always sounded slightly muffled, like maybe the guitar tone was rolled off, or maybe it was those parametric EQs they were supposedly using. Your tone is simply better! They should've used you as a producer or sound engineer. And your playing is as good, or better, so... maybe you should form a metal band!
Thanks my friend! Great to hear that.
The G12 sounds better here.
Metallic who?
Your a better drummer than Lars 😅
Glad you like my drumming.
This is completely incorrect. The G12-75 was NOT USED. cannot conpare at all. Ive even talked to Flemming about this way back in 2009.
The 1960A cabs James used were loaded with G12-65's , again not the 75's and they sound completely different.
Get a 4x12 of the 65s or this video is completely invalid. Period.
Btw zero Marshall cabs prior to 1986 had anything but either G12-65 or G12H-70 speakers (more robust 65 essentially because of the heavier duty magnet) in them until Jim Marshall switched to the 75s in late 85 or early 86. Those are his words, not mine.
Yeah as I explain in the introduction it could be G12-65 or G12T-75 on these albums. I have played many of these cabs. The T75s start appearing in 1983. The particular cab I’m using in this video is from 1984. However it’s possible (but unlikely) that all these cabs originally came with 65 and have since been replaced. I also originally thought that T75 was introduced in 85-86. To confuse it further some early T75 cabs were still marked 260W (4x65) on the back. Another viewer told me that Fleming had stated that a 300W (4x75) cab was used on MoP. Did you ask Flemming if they opened up the cab? At any rate I’ll do a video on G12-65 vs G12T-75 with a mid scooped amp to learn more about it.
@@JohanSegeborn no I didn't ask him that. I just remembered him mentioning the wattage rating did not mean much for the reason of simply meaning it was not one of the other random options in the studio that he understood to be of a completely different rating, but also because Marshall was horrible about their stickers back in the day, which he didn't realize as he isn't a guitar nerd like us but rather just likes to be able to reference specific things like a type of speaker driver or amplifier for when an artist is chasing a certain sound etc. in the studio, but he said it wouldn't surprise him & that it could also be a reason for the confusion then (keep in mind I TOO originally assumed them to be 75s.)
Regarding '83, there shouldnt be any cabs anywhere with a 75 unless it's been used as a replacement since they weren't available yet. In his book, he said the 65s (or the 70s for warranty purposes and the later part of '84 into '85) were standard for all factory cabinets until sometime later in 1985, unless by special request since they had become new to the market in 84 sometime. He quoted until 1985 though in the book that the G12-65s were the preferred & standard driver.5
@@JohanSegeborn I've got another tweak you should consider trying in your amp if you get bored. This has nothing to do with James Hetfield, but rather a little trick I like as a hobbyist engineer (I do a lot of work with regards to circuitry and I am currently building/developing my own design of a power amp, just not a guitar amp but rather an audiophile home audio stereo amplifier- same engineering principles apply.)
Swap out your 12AX7's for some 5751 (Sylvania, tung-sol, & RCA NOS are all stellar). 5751's are a 12AX7 direct variant originally specified by the military for use, but later adopted into consumer electronics as well. The difference is that the 5751 have a slightly lower GM of 70 rather than the 100 of the 12ax7's, but at the same time you actually get an INCREASE in current output from them.
What does this mean and what does it do for your sound?: simply put, this allows for slightly less voltage gain, which you may think to yourself "why would I want less voltage gain?" And the reason being is that by lowering the gm to 70, this is about a perfect level of moderate/high gain to correctly feed any following stage of a driver circuit or the power section + this reduces all of the micro noise and resonances you don't want want being amplified into what becomes the high gain/ saturated signal. On top of that, the higher current output ALWAYS benefits the following stage(s) of the amplifier in terms of being at a more ideal input level, but, more importantly, this will either increase the low end capabilities slightly and/or it will provide for better control of the low end of the signal being feed through and then output from the power section. So, in other words, smoother (not less bright or a direct tonal change, necessarily) & with better definition/clarity and with a slightly fuller & tighter tone. Again, don't let the slight 'decrease' in voltage gain scare you away as this is generally a good thing in the input section as 12ax7s amplify everything both good & bad. Try it & I bet you will love what you hear 😃
Still a better drummer than Lars ^^
Drumming is better than Lars.
Thanks man! Not true but still very nice to hear :-)