@@kungfreddie I mean you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she lied, which I believe they did. Sure there is a slim chance she didn't lie and it happened, but because you can't 100% prove he didnt rape her maybe it happened is the most ridiculous way to think about things. People who make you prove the negative are ridiculous. This may be The Gamer from Mars worst video to date. OOF
At the cost of someone else's freedom, reputation, future friends family and job opportunities. This woman is the reason real victims are not believed. Tell me I'm wrong
First rule. Don't trust schools to "handle" a situation. They can't/won't deal with basic stuff like school bullying as it would be a waste of time on their end or make the school look bad. Always bring in law enforcement and make it a case the school has to handle properly to embarrass them
I'll never understand why universities handle this. If you are the victim of a crime go to the police. And before anyone says the cops don't do anything, they do the job of policing better than universities
I agree with what you say, but Title IX unfortunately means universities are mandated by law to deal with these things. One of the many reasons why Title IX is a gargantuan pile of excrement.
@@500ccRabbit Universities also tend to believe accusations far too fast without doing any investigations. So anyone can just make something up and absolutely ruin another’s life.
We had a girl at University of Pikeville, when I was there who did this. Everyone boo'd her as shed walk by with that mattress. She was touched inappropriately by a soccer player so I never got why they would gawk at her. Turns out the night before she started carrying that mattress, she had drugged and assaulted a freshman boy and she was doing this to draw as much attention away from it as possible. It did not work, she was charged.
@@MaxiemumKarnage If you look at the deluge of female teachers charged with rape or sexual assault in just the last month, it's clear that's no longer case.
What he forgot to mention is that she did go to the police when she brought the matter to the school, but the New York Police told her there wasn’t any sufficient evidence either and dropped the case
would've gone harder if Emma wasn't lying for attention lmao. There was nothing to believe. There was a mountain of evidence that Emma was nuts and clearly just attacking this innocent man for not doing what she wanted him to.
@@RitzStarr ngl, after seeing those messages, I can see how someone would be confused. Like, if you ask some to F you in the B over and over, it’s easy to see how a college kid might go for it while he’s drunk only to find out later it wasn’t the right time. It’s a really messy story, and I wish the focus of the media had been about consent, as opposed to the circus that went on.
When you’re suing someone for defamation you actually do need to prove that they’re lying about you, his point in saying that wasn’t to say that he should be treated as a rapist because he wasn’t proven innocent, it was to say that his claim that she was lying isn’t necessarily true either. At no point was it actually said that Paul did anything to her in the video, the point was just that there wasn’t actually any evidence that she was lying, as opposed to the zeitgeist surrounding the situation.
@@Snowriander TGFM said he was not proven to be innocent, not it was not proven she was lying. and for defamation you have to prove that the defamatory statement defamed you and was false, not that the person is lying. lying implies intention. without intention it's just being wrong.
@@faketheo3432 Ok but you’re still ignoring the context of the line. The line isn’t accusatory, it’s simply pointing out that the narrative that he proved her to be a liar isn’t necessarily a fair narrative. At no point does he actually accuse him of doing anything, and that line isn’t to imply that he did do anything, it’s simply making a point that the situation isn’t as black and white as most people made it out to be. Obviously he doesn’t have the burden of proof and need to prove that he didn’t do anything, and nobody is saying that he does, but that doesn’t also mean that she was definitely lying like a lot of people seem to have taken away from the situation.
@@Snowriander Nah, I reject that. He could have phrased it a million different ways without implying the guy was a 🍇-ist afterall. Even if I'd grant you he meant what you said he meant, it would be incredibly irresponsible to phrase it like this when talking about this serious accusations.
When I was in college, a girl claimed she was raped on campus to the point where the school president was offering $50,000 to find the culprit. She later recanted when clues pointed out no possible rape could have occurred, wasting everyone's time and then was not heard from again. The reason she made up the rape? She was homesick.
@@orboakin8074where are you from amigo? I've seen your weird little comment twice now. So you must either hail from a land far, far away in the distant past or you have some amazing laws in which the guilty are proven so 100% of the timeor there is no court system to speak of. So go ahead and tell the class where you are from.
Let's ignore this specific cringe case. if someone wasn't convicted of murder would you say that person is innocent? Would you wanna hang out with that person? There is some evidence to make some people think they were capable of murder.
@@JoeNoshow27 I can convince 5 of my friends to claim someone murdered someone else. Should we all be believed? You're a moron. We don't "believe the victim" around here.
@@CompComp Probably not, but that's not the same thing as what happened here. Not wanting to be associated with someone is a lot different than actively acting antagonistically to them.
It was the guy's roommate who offered casual sex with no commitment. Any of us would have loved that arrangement if we hadn't seen proof of insanity yet.
"Was never proven innocent." That's a fundamental misunderstanding of how the legal system works. It is on the prosecution to prove wrongdoing of the defendant hence the 'Guilty' or 'Not Guilty' verdicts, which is why it's 'Not Guilty' or not proven as guilty rather than 'Innocent' being the opposite judgment. You might say he wasn't 'exonerated' however, that is also false given that her text messages were quite damning to her claims that it was non-consensual. Sick of false accusers being able to ruin lives with impunity even AFTER they are proven to be vindictive, greedy and/or narcissistic bullshitters.
Yea. I was expecting a bit more than saying that he "was never proven innocent." No surprise. Very difficult to disprove an accusation. If the man who made accusations turned out to have had more evidence show up, or if he was found to have gone after some other woman after the fact, stuff like that could show things in a new light. Unfortunately, there is nothing new here, and there are WAY too many false accusations that fly around that we should just believe all women. How is it that with all her text chats she NEVER mentioned this assault? There is nothing here that really puts this case in a new light that is worth it's own video.
@@paulette6655 there are messages of her begging him to do it tho. That's enthusiastic consent furthermore HE was drunk, meaning SHE took advantage of him. You're siding with a literal r*pist.
DUDE. I went to art school at School of the Art Institute of Chicago, and I’ve seen some shit. Like, wild things that get stuck in your brain for years. Somehow, Emma’s heel turn is more crazy than all of that and then some. It’s not the BDSM, or getting railed on camera (because that’s just par for the course in art school), but her Red Pilled switch up that blows my mind. That is what makes me question her whole story, not because I can’t believe someone has become a conservative, but rather the fact that she seems the need to be extreme in front of an audience for attention.
unless you are a judge or a jury member you do not have an obligation to base your opinion of someone's guilt based on how a trial works. Guilty people get away all the time. Unfortunately there sometimes just isn't enough evidence to get someone locked up even if they did it.
Only ONE side is innocent until proven guilty. Look at Amber Herd or Jada... held innocent by many even AFTER proven guilty . Yet somehow its a Mann's world....
@@axelolord This is such an oversimplification. A drunk person is still capable of committing such a crime against a sober person. You don't become incapable of doing anything just by being drunk. Another such gross simplification takes place when "something s*x*al" happens between a 14-year-old and a 30-year-old. "In this case, the 30-year-old is in the wrong." As if a 14-year-old could never r*pe someone aged 30 at gunpoint.
As others have said, the burden of proof is on Emma, not Paul. At best you're fence sitting, and at worst you're disappointed Paul wasn't found guilty. You lost me at the point where you said universities across the country aren't doing enough to teach boys not to be attackers. Videos may help plant a seed, you fail to mention the lack of punishment for attackers (which are covered up because what university wants to be seen as unsafe). You also fail to mention the open and very vocal of condemnation of false allegations and open and public apologies to the falsely accused. You have not earned my like nor my sub, and I will not watch any more of your content.
I agree. He is fence sitting at best. There is no take in this video. It doesn't even seem like he has a good reason for researching and reporting on all this?? Like how is this applicable to anything happening now?? And why is digging up all this information on a long closed case helpful to those involved ??? If he was actually worried about safety for those on college campus and how sexual assault cases are handled then he could have talk about how this case affected current laws or how we can learn from it.
"None of this proves he was innocent" 26:40 is crazy to say because Paul is innocent til proven guilty. Which is something they could never do throughout the whole incident.
Section 11(d) provides that: 11. Any person charged with an offence has the right ... (d) to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal;
He is innocent under the law, which doesn't mean she is lying. Plently of criminals never go to prison or are never found guilty and many innocent people do end up getting wrongfully convicted.
It's crazy how Emma was able to harass that dude despite the overwhelming mountain of evidence against her. Given her insane unhinged texts about sleeping with every guy on campus and then obsessing over Paul, it seems pretty obvious he turned her down for sex or a relationship and unfortunately had his school career ruined because of it. I'm confused how any idiot supports Emma when no one even tried to deny those texts are real, which is the ONLY way she could be taken seriously. Everything she has done since is just further proof she's completely unhinged and tried to ruin some poor guy's life over a lovers quarrel.
Since when does the accused need to prove they are innocent? He didn't need to prove he didn't do it, she needed to prove he did, which she failed at. Kind of trashy video.
Innocent until proven guilty is not some sort of universal truth or moral guideline, but a legal principle. Insufficient proof may let someone off the hook in a courtroom, but that doesn't mean individual people should consider it proof of innocence.
@@KristianKumpula since morally depends on the person we can only go with the legal side and once a court says you are innocent you are and anyone who contradict that can be sue for everything they own.
@@KristianKumpulaThats one way to view innocent until proven guilty, another way to view it is also as a moral guideline. It's not up to you to prove you're not a serial killer, and people treating you like you're a serial killer until you prove you're not is wrong and immoral.
If someone thinks someone is guilty thats their opinion and nobody can stop them. The real problem here is false accusations and well inaction from schools. They need to do their job but as someone who hears a lot of stupid stories from local school districts(Not even universities), stupidity seems to be mostly in administration as well.
@@ChrisBear1989 not really you need to be very careful when you say someone is guilty of something because you can be sue for that and you can be stop from saying that.
Had an ex in college threaten to accuse me of raping her if if I broke up with her. This was in the middle of the MeToo movement. Thats when I stopped believing all women.
@rayewonderland If a guy sleeps with a drunk girl leftists call that rape but when it's the other way around it's not even being taken advantage of. Funny how that works huh?
sasaki8765 no. you can't prove something didn't happen with lack of evidence. is that clear? from an atheist who cannot prove God doesn't exist despite no evidence
You aren't supposed to have PROVE INNOCENCE! Why do WANT to give her the benefit of the doubt, but not him? Exactly how are men supposed to prove their innocence (which is supposed to be presumed), often months/years afterward? Women are absolutely assaulted and raped. But men are also falsely accused. Right now the accusation is damning enough on it's own. When will we stop assuming guilt? When will men and women's words carry equal weight? False accusations aren't even ususally punished. Lying about a SA/rape is virtually a no-risk weapon women can currently use. We need to protect victims, but we need to remember that men can AND ARE victims too, both of SA/rape and false accusations. I also find it questionable at best to out Paul's attempt to regain his life by releasing the fact he goes by his German name now.
I mean - the issue is that SA usually has no evidence, it's literally just 1 person's word against the other. And unless the perpetrator admits to it openly, or there is video/text evidence, there's no evidence possible
Two things about this. One, that is how it works in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. Two, sexual assault is very hard to prove unless someone catches the person in the act or it is caught on CCTV or something.
@@Caffeine_Addict_2020 So be it. Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our society. The accused should never have to prove their innocence, ever.
@@DrakonPhD "Innocent until proven guilty" is the cornerstone of our criminal justice system, not our society. Case in point: defamation lawsuits. In a defamation case, the plaintiff must prove that the statements about them are untrue, which amounts to proving their innocence. (Interestingly, that's the opposite of UK law, where the defendant must prove that what they said was true.)
disagree - he pointed out that she lied several times and is just pointing out facts. SA is complicated and it's usually impossible to prove things either way; the texts make her story look terrible, but they don't make it untrue. I think the much more important stance that everyone is missing here is that he points out that the assaulted dude was completely and utterly forgotten in the narrative, because in all of this people don't really give a shit about an assaulted dude, which is awful
@@BritInvLvr Yeah, I was just hamming it up for likes. It's not so much getting old that has me down, moreso that I haven't really used the time effectively.
If Paul was drunk when Emma took him back to her room does that not make her the rapist? Edit: my opinion but this narrator sounds upstet the more and more the story goes. As if he wants Paul to be guilty given the events.
I don't think spelling his name with an "ß" was an attempt to prevent people for searching for him. He probably just replaced the "ß" with "ss" because the majority of Americans don't know what the hell an "ß" is. And even if they did, they wouldn't know how to type it on a US computer.
@@creepypastakingthedragones3679 It's a combination of the lowercase german fracture letters "s" and "z", to make a hissing-s sound, also called sharp-s or more commonly Eszett. A single S is spoken soft. As mentionend double-S is also used instead of ß.
He doesn't need to prove his innocence. She was caught lying and her claim disproven. She got upset her "private" conversation where it disproves her claims were exposed. Your closing statement really is not something I could stand behind.
TheGamerFromMars: "This doesn't prove she lied" Uh, yes it did...in front of the press, in front of the people and more importantly, in front of the court. Why is she not serving time?
Regardless if the rape did happen or not, this Columbia really should have taken a clear stance on this, either he's innocent and should be left alone or he's a rapist and it's ok to display "art pieces" made by her showing his private parts. Standing on the fence like that did them no favors.
The school did not "sit on the fence." The "art piece," aka her thesis, of carrying around the mattress (a literal constant reminder of her claims) was signed off by her degree supervisor. The school _endorsed_ her false claims.
@@hairlessgrizzly559That's obviously not how that works and it's way more nuanced than that. Maybe if the person is literally unconscious. But if it was just any alcohol period, than Sooooo much of the world would be grapists. Including people graping eachother. How's that work in your new legal system? Lol
@@whateverwhatever4026 I know lol, I have friends who fuck when they're high It's concerning, I'll admit, but I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting so high on weed they go unconscious, but idk, I've never been high, just gone to school with tons of stoners (one of them was a Rick and Morty fan lol, acted like getting high unlocked the secrets of the UNIVERSE)
You are immediately telling her side of the story as if it was fact, when Investigators looked at the actual facts and found out, none of this was true, and much of your statistics are false claims as well. I feel victim to this BS myself. While 3000 miles away from my home town, severing in the military, one of my best friends from High School told a bunch of our friends that she stopped me while I was r_p_ing a mutual friend of ours after a music concert. I was demonized by my friend group. Luckily I was still in contact with the girl I supposedly did this to, told her and she was mortified as well. Neither of us lived in the State at the time. Still to this day people accuse me of this crime even though she has publicly said this never happened.
They need to start charging false accusations so that some of this type of behavior gets quashed. Make the evidence public once it’s found to be false too.
@@axelolord you need evidence that the claim is false before saying that it is false. Like most things in life, this isn't black or white. Semantics matter heavily when it comes to the justice system, which is why innocent until proven guilty is part of your civil rights.
@@manporo5865 you can sometimes get by with circumstantial evidence and reasonable doubt. It's happened before, which is why you can still be guilty as clear as video footage shows and be acquitted.
@@axelolordStatistically finding evidence for SA is SLIM. meaning the vast majority of assaults reported aren’t convinced because there is no evidence. passing this law you want would mean thousands of real life victims would be convicted if you don’t care to verify if they truly were being malicious about it. Which makes you no better than ppl who make false accusations
"He's a rapist and he also assaulted me!"... "But I wont join the investigation... Nor provide my totally true statement to court under oath" Riiiiii~ght... 🙄
One night,while super drunk, my dad told me to: don't talk to women, don't look at women and always walk down the hallway with your eyes pointed right at your toes. It's much better to avoid tripping over a rock then it is to end up with child support and accusations of rape.
Idk why but seeing the title my brain went to a vague story of a girl dying on like a gym mattress in school. I swear there's a story like that somewhere where she kinda just got left under a pile of mattresses.
there was a young man that accidentally dropped his shoe into a rolled up gym mat and tried to go in head first to get it back. He died from being stuck upside down all night because he was there on his own :c
In 2013, there was a high school basketball player who was found in a rolled up wrestling mat; Kendrick Johnson in Valdosta, Georgia. There were a lot of questions surrounding his death. I'm not sure if that's the story you're thinking of or not. There's also some Internet lore stories similar to that case that have gone around since then.
OKay, but her initial statement is that she was sober and he was very drunk and she took him to bed. Reverse the sexes, and that's already SA on the sober person's fault in so many of these accusations. How is it not mattering here? /gen *edit apparently I need to be more concise: NO it is not ever okay that he, or *anyone* physically forced anyone into any type of intimacy. I was asking about before the private encounter happened, not what violence occurred.
No doubt hey, I don’t even talk to anybody anymore, nevermind telling people something that makes me feel like a gullible idiot. I wish you all the best, and hope you are doing better now my friend
The whole story is absurd. She was ok with him for 7 months. She was sending him messages & was setting up meetings/dates... (F me in the arse, I am so traumatized?) Then after 7 months, she supposedly felt uncomfortable with his presence at the university!?? And because some girl said that he tried to kiss her, & exposed himself to some guy?! This is literally the story as I understand. How does this make any sense!?
That might be true for you but some people find it cathartic I mean take baby reindeer for an example. All I could think watching it is this actually happened to him why is he retraumatizing himself but for some people acting it out and getting to walk away that particular time unscathed is almost like a strange way of closing the loop if that makes sense. It's definitely not for everyone and I can't speak on this girl in a particular I haven't finished the video I'm just speaking about other people who actually dealt with it. I've noticed myself personally making the same mistakes at times repeatedly trying to get a different outcome it's basically the same thing we all do on different levels and scales.
...so you concluded that he changed his name to avoid being associated with the controversy instead of, oh I don't know, that literally being how his name is spelled?? The other spelling was only ever used while he was in the US, probably because it was easier for Americans due to the lack of ß in their alphabet. Some wild mental gymnastics in this video.
@@CorkScrewFacedCapital Basically the exact same as in his case, which is why I was surprised it happened overseas. This was about 15 years ago though and remember the uni raising awareness for spiked drinks after that, regardless of whether they believed her or not.
That's basic AF... trauma 101. I get this knowledge isn't the most shared among everyday people, but reenacting your trauma in a controlled manner as a possibility of healing is really surface traumatology knowledge. There are a lot of arguing whether it is actually a toxic pattern that doesn't help of if is a successful way to heal, the answer being as always "it depends for each case" most likely.
Good points for not censoring words. Bad points for simping over a liar. You okay, GamerFromMars? Your past few videos have been weirdly biased. I get that it's election season, but you're usually more diligent.
Wow. You know the expression, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." This woman mined her entire personal history with this man to find a single moment not even near the end of it, to frame her own narrative, just to aggrandize herself at his expense.
Wait…. She was sober and he was drunk? She brought him to her room to fool around and didn’t just drop him off and go back to the party? Sounds like she intended to assault him
SPOILER ALERT: She was lying! She was convicted in court and must pay the victim for the harm she caused him. This is why "believe all women" and "guilty until proven innocent" and "prohibition on due process" is so dangerous. The school is guilty too, for convicting the victim with no evidence, no due process, and no opportunity to hire counsel and cross-examine witnesses. The poor guy was railroaded by the school and railroaded by social media.
@@KPX01 The Johnny Depp trial(s) was/were highly publicised and presented through an extreme pro-Depp lense. Both he and Amber Heard seem to be difficult people, but he's the one in the wrong.
@@camelopardalis84 oh so now we are ignoring the court result because he wins the case? Do you even watch the actual court proceeding or you are just repeating what pro amber is saying?
@@camelopardalis84 Bro if you genuinely think depp was in the wrong I'm sorry but I'm gonna ask you to give back those braincells you clearly aren't using them.
Here is the first problem. Columbia cleared him, and I'm sure that Columbia had looser standards than our court system. I'm supposed to believe she would be able to get past a grand jury, let alone criminal court? Now, the other accusers do not qualify as rape in any legal orcreally moral sense. Paul was drunk, and Emma was sober, so in a legal sense, an argument The burden of proof is not on the accused, it is on the accuser. The other accusers all backed down. Finally who benefitted the most from this whole thing? It was Emma and to a lesser extent Columbia. I feel that by our justice system, there is no way anyone can realistically believe Emma. I would go far enough to say Paul Nungesser was violated.
Disappointing video. Your argument is basically "you haven't proven a negative in court". It's very rare for the court to judge women for lying about r-word accusion even in cases where there are overwhelming evidence against them. Defamation cases are also hard to carry, and she's probably not rich enough for the case to even bring him money. Then you changed the topic on the epidemic of SA in college campus, using numbers that haven't been verified? How is that related? You quote an "expert" saying victims don't come forward immediately due to shame. Sure, that is true. But I'm curious why you don't cite equally studies showing officers believe up to half of SA claims are false? Look up Aydin Paladin's video on false claims. The litterature is overwhelmingly showing evidence for potetnially very high rate of false claims. Cherrypicking your experts is not good. I guess cherrypicking is something you like to do lately. Honestly, lately your videos have become more and more biased.
Not wrong but lying about a rape ruins the lives of the accused youre put on a registery that never goes away among other things that you legally have to do like exolain why you were arrested on a job application it also makes it much harder for people who were actuslly raped to come out andpoint out their attacker@1amazinggoddess
@@1amazinggoddess You're right, being SA'd is better than being falsely accused of it. I'd way rather have it happen to me than be accused of it. You are entitled to your opinion, as we all are. You've falsely accused someone, haven't you?
@@1amazinggoddess Except that when the person who’s been lied about. Is kicked off his college football team loses their Collage Scholarship. An also because of it no NFL team will touch him even though before hand he was expected to go within the first round of recruiting. An even when the man is proven innocent means nothing because he’ll always be labeled as the gRapist! An you can’t act like it’s never happened before. Or even worse just within the last month or so a man had done I think it was 16 years of a 25 year sentence in a Level 3 Prison, and the girl just came out saying she made it all up. I’m guessing you’ve never done time in prison much less a level 3 or higher prison. Because gRapist are just barely above Chomo’s. gRapist get extorted by the gangs for everything they have, the also get gRaped in prison an catch beatings on a regular basis. An yes I actually have seen that happen to them by their own race. The only people who’s below a gRapist are Snitches and Chomo’s. The Chomo, and the gRapist I seen had to have their family on the outside pay for their protection on the inside. It was $400 a week for the gRapist, and the Chomo’s family had to pay $500. every week to the AB just to keep him alive, but not enough to keep them from getting beaten
@@sannyassi73 actually no, ive never accused anyone of rape or assault. I have, in fact, been falsely accused myself. It ruined my life, but I’d rather go through that again than be raped.
@@leatherDarkhorse yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa no. munecat, a youtuber who debunked the entire manosphere even explained that men are an order of magnitude more likely victims of SA then they will be of being falsely accused of SA. it's a statistical fact. and before you put words in my mouth, i am not saying that what happened to that young man is hand-waveable, what am saying is you are actively trying to spread misinformation and are fear-mongering to distract against the real issue which is male SA and male child SB
And that's the issue. Many SA victims exist. They carry that burden wherever they go. But people like her just walk up to them and drop a 50 pound mattress on them, and then *they* get shit on by people that don't believe them. People like Emma make it so hard to believe victims.
It's really not that complicated. Some woman did something she regretted and painted the guy as a monster, the school didn't have enough proof one way or another to act on anything so she did what bullies with BPD do. She made a scene and did everything she could for attention well playing the victim.
Except the exact same thing match if that really happened, and that "bullies with BPD" pattern you describe is what doesn't fit BPD, unlike all the rest. Going on a life crusade while distorting your reality or cynically crushing someone's life for it is a much more costly guess, and even lower in the rabbit hole of infernal traumatic conditions VS basic BPD reaction to rape on a random drunk day. BPD people regret things they do 24/7, and they beat themselves up about it. Can't be 100% sure but BPD and narcissim or psychopathy 99% sure don't go hand in hand, while paranoia, distorted memories and drastic actions are way more likely... except not if the thing she regrets is her own choice and merely another impusle that put her in a shitty situation.
@rayewonderland Innocent till proven guilty in America, you are looking at it backwards, they did not prove he was guilty, he did not need to prove he didn't do anything there was no proof he did!!
@rayewonderland I've dated multiple victims of assault that she spoke of, none of them would like to even talk about s3x or would have texted things like that girl did. She didn't wait , she formulated how to get back at the guy that didn't want to be with her. Even my wife says this girl is a liar and I'm sure many females would agree , especially ones that have been assaulted like she claimed to be and watching how she handled it. She came up with something that would give her the attention she wanted. The attention her parents didn't give her probably because they both were doctors and didn't have the time they should have to spend with her. Not her fault but she even admitted years later she loved the attention that she was getting from it. She posed for pics with the people that were against her and her lies years later, a person that was really assaulted wouldn't ever be seen with people that wrote stories about her being a liar and standing up for her supposed attacker. Again in America innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof falls to the victim and she failed on that account because there was no proof, no msgs to friends about the incident, no msgs to her family about it, nothing, then all of a sudden she has this idea to make an art project out of her assault? Lol yeah right GTFO , anyone that still believes this woman is either living with a TBI, has a low IQ, or is blissfully ignorant in life!!!!
@Shade-Cloak I've got to respectfully disagree. I dated a girl with BPD who made an adult film with some men when she was 16 and someone sent the video to her dad and she claimed the Mattress girl'd her just to save face. To this very day she insists it was 100% against her will. I've since looked into it and yeah, the story was 100% bs. Between word of mouth, contacting witnesses, looking into the legal history of the cases and just having dated her and seeing her for the lying monster she was I can say that she was 100% lying. Like yeah, the guys were bad for doing what they did, and I'm not saying any of it was ok, but she 100% wanted it and made sure these men got as much prison time as possible just so she could look like the victim. Seriously mentally ill women will 100% lie about that and feel no remorse. The problem is that a lot of people with BPD never get held accountable and just keep pushing the envelope with what they can get away with. Most of them only feel bad when their actions have consequences. that effect them.
"Consent tea." Pfft. Look, this is why you have a problem on campuses. You take a bunch of kids just out of high school who are mostly novices when it comes to sex. You take them away from their families and communities who tend to be the most powerful bodies at regulating norms of conduct in these regards, throw in craptons of alcohol (which they also won't have a lot of experience with), and then say "oh, by the way, navigate these highly complex and intimate interactions with each other. Here's some pamphlets. We're not your parents."
The whole “believe all women” trash is rubbish. You should never believe anybody automatically. That doesn’t mean you can’t be respectful no helpful until you find out the truth. Never just blindly believe anybody or anything.
31:45 What are you talking about? You suggest he went back to Europe in an attempt to hide out. I think it's more safe to assume he finished his studies and then went back, which is what foreign exchange students do. If an American was studying in Europe, had something bad happen to them and then moved back home after graduation, they didn't run away from it since that's what they were going to do anyway. You also suggest that the spelling in the name is different for similar reasons. It's not some alternative spelling of his name, it's the ORIGINAL spelling. Nungesser is the alternative spelling. It would be like suggesting that a Chinese-born man decided to hide himself by spelling his birth name in Hanzi, the original spelling. And the fact that he openly uses his real name on these projects suggests the entire opposite to me, he's not hiding at all. Those are some pretty bad faith arguments, and sadly not the only ones present in the video.
Now im waiting for his next video where he says the Amber Heard situation was more complicated and Johnny Depp disnt prove his innocence. This TH-camr is shameful.
@@destynova4512 Only the court can qualify the deeds as crimes. If a victim thought that some actions against them was a crime, it is OK for them to be wrong. If there was no such actions, falsely reporting them is a crime in some jurisdictions, but that is evidently not a case here.
Bad bad bad bad take. We don’t live in a justice system where people are guilty until proven innocent. There was no evidence to prove he was guilty. End of story.
The angle change is driving me up the fucking wall. Also I think it's a little different because it was the school that was handling it(per Title IX requirements. Yes, I know that's stupid) and the REAL U.S. legal system was only brought forward when Paul was threatening to sue. Paul and the lawyers must have had so much more in those messages(and other evidence) if they were willing to release them to the public before Discovery(making them invalid for the case).
Someone needs to investigate this TH-camr. One of the comments in this video has pointed out that this bloke looks remarkably similar to a guy who was photographed supporting the Mattress Girl's "art" performance. The photo is in the Wikipedia page "Mattress Performance (Carry That Weight)." If that guy in the photo is indeed this TH-camr (I doubt it, but they look similar regardless) then that might explain why he had that disgusting take at the end.
Yes, yes it CLEARLY changes the story, and makes her the problem, Mr. Gamer. I don't think this is the argument you thought it was. Her originally story is DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED AND PROVEN FALSE. Just look at the buttstuffs. She first claimed that they never did that before and it was such a surprise and shock. But her texts clearly say otherwise and even show her asking for it. Literally. Shes a liar. End of story..... Your "arguments" are: • She wasn't officially associated with any other TwitterFemanaziMemes? Um okay, and? Memes have to know each other to be the memes?Dude... • She didn't immediately report? Again, and? Just because SOME actual survivors don't, that doesn't make her one. Thats a plain strawman... •More of your bad numbers that I've already repeatedly debunked. And again again, DOESN'T MAKE HER SPECIFICALLY ANYTHING. Guys, theres thousands and thousands of millionares out there, so that means I'm one too! Bruh...
wtf is wrong her? why destroying her own body just because she hates a guy? what a stupid thing to do. She's not helping the true rape victims, she's making it harder for them
Even if we take the story at face value, and we believe the assault as first told. Then she herself already went to bed with someone unable to adequatly consent right?
I agree but even the host gives her more benefit of doubt than the dude. Just shows how screwed up things are. There is a clear presumption of guilt, but only in one direction.
Dude, let's be real. She was exposed as being a fraud. Stop trying to demonize this guy's family and then assuming that a person who was proven wrong is right. This video REEKS of someone who wants their cake and to eat it too.
He is innocent, not because he was proven innocent. He is innocent, because every is INNOCENT BY DEFAULT. Unless proven otherwise, an accused person is innocent. Period.
No dude. It is innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof lies on the one doing the accusing, to prove that their accusation is true not the other way around. "There were also three other people that accuse Paul of wrongdoing as well." - These are further accusations that also needs to be proven. Even if there are thousands of people accusing Paul, those provides nothing to support Paul's guilt especially if these accusations can't be proven to be true. They just become more accusations that need to satisfy their own burden of proof. Seriously, how could you not know such basic stuff? Such shameful video, you are spreading a destructive mindset especially considering your strong influence.
I had someone make false claims against me. The crazy thing is how they use victim psychology to justify their lies. Saying things like “I was too traumatized to get it right” or “I felt ashamed to speak.” This both abuses actual victims and the one falsely accused. Even now I feel uneasy about speaking out because the way I was labeled. I was the one victimized and people that make false accusations should be treated like the abusers they are.
My son is going through this right now. His live in girlfriend attacked him while he was sleeping and he woke up defending himself because he didn’t know what was happening. When I say defending, he pushed her off of him while she was choking him. She called the cops and off to jail he went. We’ve retained an attorney and he’s just a mess. He confessed that this has been an ongoing issue with her mentally and physically abusing him and he was too embarrassed to say anything about it. It’s heartbreaking and expensive to fight against false accusations. My heart goes out to you men. ❤
The LAW IS Innocent until PROVEN GUILTY! There's no such thing as "none of this means he is Innocent "... either it was proved he was guilty or he IS INNOCENT.
well yeah legally he was claimed to be innocent. but that doesn't mean it's impossible to commit a crime and get away with it so, hes just saying the evidence brought up to cast doubt doesn't definitively disprove the accusation. just like how the statistics and the psychology of victims makes a pattern that makes the event more plausible, but they don't actually prove the accusation to be true.
@antikommunistischaktion Yeah, I find it odd with the overwhelming evidence that she lied, he closes the video still defending her and suggesting Paul was never proven not to have raped her... which isn't how USA law works. Not to mention it was proven she lied a lot, the other accuser was pushed to make the accusation by Emma and the other accusation seemed to simply vanish strongly goes in his favour. While she kept showing weird behaviour, telling different stories of different times she was "abused" and went through some random image and belief changes rather rapidly, like a narcissist/sociopath who just emulates people around them.
In the UK there was a lady who accused a man of r. Fortunately they were captured on camera in a shop which absolved the guy. The police refused to prosecute the woman. The guy was fortunate and rich enough to seek a private prosecution but then the girl un alived herself. And that was the end of that
Performative acts like this should be a red flag, victims should file a police report and coordinate with authorities for criminal prosecution. It is also a cautionary tale against casual sex, beside unwanted pregnancies and STIs.
The university completely mishandled this case. No one’s names should’ve come out and this should’ve remained a private matter. By allowing this to become public, they fanned the flames for all the protests, think pieces, etc. and further antagonize the guy. Most of the time, these cases always are always gray and not black and white like we think they are. If privacy isn’t first and foremost, these things get out of hand and misrepresented.
This is such a complex topic. "Believe all women" I mean. It feels horrible to say to someone claiming to have been raped, "You're lying." You can't know one way or another in most cases. If you take their word as fact, you do away with guilty-until-proven-innocent. If you assume they're lying, good luck creating accountability for disgusting rapists. It seems like the "obvious" solution is to not believe or disbelieve. Acknowledge you can't know one way or the other and wait for evidence. Unless there were cameras or witnesses, what possible evidence could there be though? Since you can't prove rape occurred in most cases, it's so tempting to just believe all accusers. That's where my bias comes in for me. I was falsely accused because I was hanging out with a woman a lot since we worked together, and her boyfriend (who was abusive) got very jealous and was yelling at her about spending time with me. Eventually she ended up telling him I assaulted her to redirect his anger from her to me. I talked to her years later, that's how I know that. So if I supported "believe all women", then I'd be supporting a pattern of behavior that could lead me to being a falsely convicted rapist. On the other hand, what other solution is there for actual victims? I just hate it all.
Oh my god the true story is disgusting. I blindly believed Emma thinking there's no way it's fake when there's multiple "victims" all claiming similar stories. Poor Paul.
Watch my last video about the twitter troll funded by billionaires: th-cam.com/video/FKTTuLFI0Ag/w-d-xo.html
Say the magic word first
It's too long. Needs to be 11 minutes
This isn't it chief
Plz explain how u prove a negative!
@@kungfreddie I mean you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she lied, which I believe they did. Sure there is a slim chance she didn't lie and it happened, but because you can't 100% prove he didnt rape her maybe it happened is the most ridiculous way to think about things. People who make you prove the negative are ridiculous. This may be The Gamer from Mars worst video to date. OOF
It’s refreshing to know there’s at least one youtuber out there who’s not afraid to say ‘rape’ and ‘sexual assault’
you mean "bad time" i hate how youtuber have to self censor so much they automatically speak like a child
You should probably be upset at TH-cam then because it's their fault not the TH-camrs
@@HankHillspimphand We all do. It's annoyed and ironically does more harm than good.
The number of non-swear words that get beeped/censored because someone, somewhere may get a little upset …
At the cost of someone else's freedom, reputation, future friends family and job opportunities. This woman is the reason real victims are not believed.
Tell me I'm wrong
First rule. Don't trust schools to "handle" a situation. They can't/won't deal with basic stuff like school bullying as it would be a waste of time on their end or make the school look bad.
Always bring in law enforcement and make it a case the school has to handle properly to embarrass them
I'll never understand why universities handle this. If you are the victim of a crime go to the police.
And before anyone says the cops don't do anything, they do the job of policing better than universities
@@500ccRabbitexactly. And if my university were to have their own department youd bet i’d go straight to county or state police
@@IzSoopid Colombia has their own police department. She could have gone to them, the NYPD, or the New York State Police.
I agree with what you say, but Title IX unfortunately means universities are mandated by law to deal with these things.
One of the many reasons why Title IX is a gargantuan pile of excrement.
@@500ccRabbit Universities also tend to believe accusations far too fast without doing any investigations. So anyone can just make something up and absolutely ruin another’s life.
We had a girl at University of Pikeville, when I was there who did this. Everyone boo'd her as shed walk by with that mattress. She was touched inappropriately by a soccer player so I never got why they would gawk at her. Turns out the night before she started carrying that mattress, she had drugged and assaulted a freshman boy and she was doing this to draw as much attention away from it as possible. It did not work, she was charged.
@@UnderbossProductions was she actually handed any prison time?
@@antikommunistischaktionwomen aren't held to the same level of accountability as men
@@MaxiemumKarnage i know but one can hope
@@MaxiemumKarnage If you look at the deluge of female teachers charged with rape or sexual assault in just the last month, it's clear that's no longer case.
@@bufordhighwater9872 notice how none of those women have lengthy prison sentences or have to register for the full 45 years though
Should have been a police matter. Why anyone lets schools handle such serious accusations is odd.
Then her lie would be exposed faster.
School security.
@@dancarter6044🎯
What he forgot to mention is that she did go to the police when she brought the matter to the school, but the New York Police told her there wasn’t any sufficient evidence either and dropped the case
@@sparsecs And the cops were right, her case like her was crap.
“She’s the type to ‘believe all women,’ until they’re accusing her son.” That line went so hard bro.
would've gone harder if Emma wasn't lying for attention lmao. There was nothing to believe. There was a mountain of evidence that Emma was nuts and clearly just attacking this innocent man for not doing what she wanted him to.
I went to high school with one of them. And she was über feminist before it was cool. Her son is on probation now after the 6th victim.
@@jackchop1576 holy shit! That’s wild. I would love to know what they’re thinking.
@@RitzStarr ngl, after seeing those messages, I can see how someone would be confused. Like, if you ask some to F you in the B over and over, it’s easy to see how a college kid might go for it while he’s drunk only to find out later it wasn’t the right time. It’s a really messy story, and I wish the focus of the media had been about consent, as opposed to the circus that went on.
@@RitzStarrMaybe you're the type of guy who says, "Don't believe women, they're all crazy liars," until it's your daughter, hm?
"He was not proven to be innocent"
yeah, that's not how it works. it's innocent until proven guilty and he was not proven guilty.
When you’re suing someone for defamation you actually do need to prove that they’re lying about you, his point in saying that wasn’t to say that he should be treated as a rapist because he wasn’t proven innocent, it was to say that his claim that she was lying isn’t necessarily true either. At no point was it actually said that Paul did anything to her in the video, the point was just that there wasn’t actually any evidence that she was lying, as opposed to the zeitgeist surrounding the situation.
@@Snowriander TGFM said he was not proven to be innocent, not it was not proven she was lying. and for defamation you have to prove that the defamatory statement defamed you and was false, not that the person is lying.
lying implies intention. without intention it's just being wrong.
@@faketheo3432 Ok but you’re still ignoring the context of the line. The line isn’t accusatory, it’s simply pointing out that the narrative that he proved her to be a liar isn’t necessarily a fair narrative. At no point does he actually accuse him of doing anything, and that line isn’t to imply that he did do anything, it’s simply making a point that the situation isn’t as black and white as most people made it out to be. Obviously he doesn’t have the burden of proof and need to prove that he didn’t do anything, and nobody is saying that he does, but that doesn’t also mean that she was definitely lying like a lot of people seem to have taken away from the situation.
@@Snowriander Nah, I reject that. He could have phrased it a million different ways without implying the guy was a 🍇-ist afterall.
Even if I'd grant you he meant what you said he meant, it would be incredibly irresponsible to phrase it like this when talking about this serious accusations.
@@Snowriander It has not proven that you are not a grapist either.
All I got from this is that modern art fucking sucks
True. That and westerners really have dumb legal systems that doesn't punish false accusers😂
Modern art doesn’t suck, she however gives it a bad name!
After ruining modern art, she also ruining Eastern medicine.
You should learn the difference between modern art and contemporary art. You look stupid when you modern art sucks hahaha van Gogh is modern art
@@cathlove84this is contemporary art. Modern art is from the beginning of 1900. You all are dumb to saying that
When I was in college, a girl claimed she was raped on campus to the point where the school president was offering $50,000 to find the culprit.
She later recanted when clues pointed out no possible rape could have occurred, wasting everyone's time and then was not heard from again.
The reason she made up the rape? She was homesick.
Western women are something else. And yet she was not punished for this?! Your laws are weird
y'all didn't phone your parents at 10 pm claiming to have been raped to get out of a sleepover?
Smh casuals
@@orboakin8074 No, bad people are weird, not just western people and not just women
Women really are the worst.
@@orboakin8074where are you from amigo? I've seen your weird little comment twice now. So you must either hail from a land far, far away in the distant past or you have some amazing laws in which the guilty are proven so 100% of the timeor there is no court system to speak of.
So go ahead and tell the class where you are from.
Paul doesn’t need to prove his innocence, that’s not how the justice system works
but it's how our societies work, sadly
Let's ignore this specific cringe case.
if someone wasn't convicted of murder would you say that person is innocent? Would you wanna hang out with that person? There is some evidence to make some people think they were capable of murder.
@@JoeNoshow27 I can convince 5 of my friends to claim someone murdered someone else. Should we all be believed? You're a moron. We don't "believe the victim" around here.
@@CompComp Probably not, but that's not the same thing as what happened here. Not wanting to be associated with someone is a lot different than actively acting antagonistically to them.
@CompComp not wanting to hang out vs people going out of their way to ruin someone else's life from unproven accusations are not the same
False accusations should be published with jail time.
It's even worse, the dude was drunk and he clearly couldn't consent.
Yes, under academic fraud 👍
1000 per cent
Should be punished with the jail time the man would have received if he was found guilty.
@@chavaspadayup. And she wasn’t. The power dynamic is clear. She should be charged with rape and for the false accusation
I think his biggest mistake was spending any time at all with that nutcase.
"Don't stick your xik in crazy".
We knew it before the "Believe all Women" thing.
They both seem awful
@@gratefulguy4130
Seriously?
You sure one doesn't seem a bit worse than the other?
It was the guy's roommate who offered casual sex with no commitment. Any of us would have loved that arrangement if we hadn't seen proof of insanity yet.
"Was never proven innocent."
That's a fundamental misunderstanding of how the legal system works.
It is on the prosecution to prove wrongdoing of the defendant hence the 'Guilty' or 'Not Guilty' verdicts, which is why it's 'Not Guilty' or not proven as guilty rather than 'Innocent' being the opposite judgment.
You might say he wasn't 'exonerated' however, that is also false given that her text messages were quite damning to her claims that it was non-consensual.
Sick of false accusers being able to ruin lives with impunity even AFTER they are proven to be vindictive, greedy and/or narcissistic bullshitters.
Yea. I was expecting a bit more than saying that he "was never proven innocent."
No surprise. Very difficult to disprove an accusation. If the man who made accusations turned out to have had more evidence show up, or if he was found to have gone after some other woman after the fact, stuff like that could show things in a new light. Unfortunately, there is nothing new here, and there are WAY too many false accusations that fly around that we should just believe all women. How is it that with all her text chats she NEVER mentioned this assault? There is nothing here that really puts this case in a new light that is worth it's own video.
Not really the case I know innocent until proven guilty but in reality our system is guilty until proven innocent
If society worked like this dudes brain we are all basically murders because unless we have 24/7 video of our life there’s no way to be certain.
She was obsessed with the guy
@@paulette6655 there are messages of her begging him to do it tho. That's enthusiastic consent furthermore HE was drunk, meaning SHE took advantage of him. You're siding with a literal r*pist.
DUDE. I went to art school at School of the Art Institute of Chicago, and I’ve seen some shit. Like, wild things that get stuck in your brain for years. Somehow, Emma’s heel turn is more crazy than all of that and then some. It’s not the BDSM, or getting railed on camera (because that’s just par for the course in art school), but her Red Pilled switch up that blows my mind. That is what makes me question her whole story, not because I can’t believe someone has become a conservative, but rather the fact that she seems the need to be extreme in front of an audience for attention.
My guess is she's bipolar and changes her mind like the wind.
Reminds me of a kid at my university that got falsely accused because the girl had a boyfriend. He won a lot of money from the school
Vague as hell
@donjuan3182 google college or university sued over false accusations. It was a title ix violation as he was expelled and the school settled
@@swilliams9Do you have any idea how little that narrows things down?
@@lmno567 want me to write down my home address for you lol?
This sentence makes no sense, he was accused of what? What girl? Why her having a boyfriend caused him to get falsely accused? Wth?
"Didn't prove she wasn't assaulted."
Ya, that's not how our justice system works, rightfully so. Innocent until proven guilty.
unless you are a judge or a jury member you do not have an obligation to base your opinion of someone's guilt based on how a trial works. Guilty people get away all the time. Unfortunately there sometimes just isn't enough evidence to get someone locked up even if they did it.
Does that mean OJ Simpson didn't do it?
So you’re saying he was guilty even though it wasn’t proven?
All this "Feminism" is absurd.
These are adults.
You tell them not to drink & no sex, & they will demand to have intoxicated unprotected intercourse.
Only ONE side is innocent until proven guilty. Look at Amber Herd or Jada... held innocent by many even AFTER proven guilty . Yet somehow its a Mann's world....
That poor boy went through hell as a result of weaponized narcissism.
That "poor boy" should stop assaulting people then.
@@tveye363 I mean there was no proof?? its he said she said
@@tveye363 there's literal mountains of evidence that she lied about the entire thing. Paul didn't assault anyone, simp.
@@tveye363 Wokediot
@@tveye363 Proof that he assaulted anyone?
Bro she literally fucked around and found out.
From the looks of her texts, he was the one to f around and find out.
Never stick your D in crazy.
"finding out" would be to get prison time, but unfortunately she didn't.
Hold up minute... He was drunk and she wasnt? Sounds like she assaulted him. Drunk people cant consent.
Assuming he didn't overpower her. Taking something he had before, but was denied this time.
so if a drunk guy rapes you, you raped him? that is an unbelievably stupid thing to say...
@@CuriousMisterG He was drunk, she was not. Reverse the genders, see if it holds up. Legally speaking.
@@axelolord This is such an oversimplification. A drunk person is still capable of committing such a crime against a sober person. You don't become incapable of doing anything just by being drunk. Another such gross simplification takes place when "something s*x*al" happens between a 14-year-old and a 30-year-old. "In this case, the 30-year-old is in the wrong." As if a 14-year-old could never r*pe someone aged 30 at gunpoint.
Had this happen to me when I was 22.
Occam's razor. He was drunk, she goated him, she regrets it, she spends the rest of her life milking it until it wasn't profitable anymore.
He was drunk, she was sober. He couldn't give consent.
@@mgaus we've had signs at my old school a decade ago that said both were drunk, she could not consent. men don't apparently have to give consent.
I am confused. What is 'goating' someone?
@@carlmanvers5009 either autocorrect or mistaking it for goaded. Meaning someone or something being led/noticed to do something or go somewhere
As others have said, the burden of proof is on Emma, not Paul. At best you're fence sitting, and at worst you're disappointed Paul wasn't found guilty.
You lost me at the point where you said universities across the country aren't doing enough to teach boys not to be attackers. Videos may help plant a seed, you fail to mention the lack of punishment for attackers (which are covered up because what university wants to be seen as unsafe). You also fail to mention the open and very vocal of condemnation of false allegations and open and public apologies to the falsely accused.
You have not earned my like nor my sub, and I will not watch any more of your content.
I agree. He is fence sitting at best. There is no take in this video. It doesn't even seem like he has a good reason for researching and reporting on all this?? Like how is this applicable to anything happening now?? And why is digging up all this information on a long closed case helpful to those involved ??? If he was actually worried about safety for those on college campus and how sexual assault cases are handled then he could have talk about how this case affected current laws or how we can learn from it.
"None of this proves he was innocent" 26:40 is crazy to say because Paul is innocent til proven guilty. Which is something they could never do throughout the whole incident.
in my country it's guilty or not guilty
or not guilty until proven guilty
we don't use innocent in Canada so your comment looks so wrong to me
lol right? no one proved he was guilty what i was thinking..
Section 11(d) provides that:
11. Any person charged with an offence has the right ...
(d) to be presumed innocent until proven guilty according to law in a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal;
He is innocent under the law, which doesn't mean she is lying. Plently of criminals never go to prison or are never found guilty and many innocent people do end up getting wrongfully convicted.
@@meep2858 I never said she was lying about it. I just said he was innocent (under the law as you stated) and him being guilty wasn't proven.
You know what else is bad? False allegations
The burden of proof is on her not him
It's crazy how Emma was able to harass that dude despite the overwhelming mountain of evidence against her. Given her insane unhinged texts about sleeping with every guy on campus and then obsessing over Paul, it seems pretty obvious he turned her down for sex or a relationship and unfortunately had his school career ruined because of it.
I'm confused how any idiot supports Emma when no one even tried to deny those texts are real, which is the ONLY way she could be taken seriously.
Everything she has done since is just further proof she's completely unhinged and tried to ruin some poor guy's life over a lovers quarrel.
She's just a bully and a liar. The fact that she was allowed to keep her degree after she knowingly lied is disgusting
@@qualityanimatoroftheyearso what's the point of making edgy comments on TH-cam?
@@500ccRabbitso they can pat themselves on the back
@@500ccRabbit slacktivism
You think she should lose her degree because of a lie? That’s an unhinged take tbf
@@Junkt123 nah homie, she caused a ton of harm because of a "lie," hate crimes can get jail time, so should false accusations of sexual assault.
Since when does the accused need to prove they are innocent? He didn't need to prove he didn't do it, she needed to prove he did, which she failed at. Kind of trashy video.
It's called innocent until proven guilty. That counts out your entire closing argument.
Innocent until proven guilty is not some sort of universal truth or moral guideline, but a legal principle. Insufficient proof may let someone off the hook in a courtroom, but that doesn't mean individual people should consider it proof of innocence.
@@KristianKumpula since morally depends on the person we can only go with the legal side and once a court says you are innocent you are and anyone who contradict that can be sue for everything they own.
@@KristianKumpulaThats one way to view innocent until proven guilty, another way to view it is also as a moral guideline.
It's not up to you to prove you're not a serial killer, and people treating you like you're a serial killer until you prove you're not is wrong and immoral.
If someone thinks someone is guilty thats their opinion and nobody can stop them. The real problem here is false accusations and well inaction from schools. They need to do their job but as someone who hears a lot of stupid stories from local school districts(Not even universities), stupidity seems to be mostly in administration as well.
@@ChrisBear1989 not really you need to be very careful when you say someone is guilty of something because you can be sue for that and you can be stop from saying that.
Had an ex in college threaten to accuse me of raping her if if I broke up with her. This was in the middle of the MeToo movement. Thats when I stopped believing all women.
ok rapist
Good god!
That's horrifying.
She should face jail time.
Sounded like emma tried to take advantage or a drunk man while she was sober. Why was nothing said about that?
Because this goes only in one direction.
seeing the facebook messages she basically groomed him
@rayewonderland If a guy sleeps with a drunk girl leftists call that rape but when it's the other way around it's not even being taken advantage of. Funny how that works huh?
@rayewonderland The only way to prove a negative is the absence of evidence, which there was in this case.
Hope that helps!
sasaki8765 no.
you can't prove something didn't happen with lack of evidence. is that clear?
from an atheist who cannot prove God doesn't exist despite no evidence
You aren't supposed to have PROVE INNOCENCE!
Why do WANT to give her the benefit of the doubt, but not him? Exactly how are men supposed to prove their innocence (which is supposed to be presumed), often months/years afterward?
Women are absolutely assaulted and raped. But men are also falsely accused. Right now the accusation is damning enough on it's own. When will we stop assuming guilt? When will men and women's words carry equal weight? False accusations aren't even ususally punished. Lying about a SA/rape is virtually a no-risk weapon women can currently use. We need to protect victims, but we need to remember that men can AND ARE victims too, both of SA/rape and false accusations.
I also find it questionable at best to out Paul's attempt to regain his life by releasing the fact he goes by his German name now.
@@dreaziemobbinsthat is not how it works, that is how it worked under nazi’s
@@RusticRonnie And since it didn't occur in Germany, your statement is meaningless to the discussion.
Then you can't call her a liar. She's innocent of lying until proven guilty and she's never been proven guilty of lying.
@@prettyevil6662000 Well, it's not like they treat lying about a sexual assault as the crime it is anyway.
yap fest
Bro really said he didn’t provide sufficient proof 💀 The burden of proof is on her. And he provided way more
I mean - the issue is that SA usually has no evidence, it's literally just 1 person's word against the other. And unless the perpetrator admits to it openly, or there is video/text evidence, there's no evidence possible
Two things about this. One, that is how it works in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion. Two, sexual assault is very hard to prove unless someone catches the person in the act or it is caught on CCTV or something.
@@Caffeine_Addict_2020 So be it. Innocent until proven guilty is the cornerstone of our society. The accused should never have to prove their innocence, ever.
@@DrakonPhD "Innocent until proven guilty" is the cornerstone of our criminal justice system, not our society. Case in point: defamation lawsuits.
In a defamation case, the plaintiff must prove that the statements about them are untrue, which amounts to proving their innocence. (Interestingly, that's the opposite of UK law, where the defendant must prove that what they said was true.)
@@burke615 Defamation is not criminal in most jurisdictions, it's civil.
bro really spent like 5 minutes going "I dunno man, he wasn't able to prove a negative!"
disagree - he pointed out that she lied several times and is just pointing out facts. SA is complicated and it's usually impossible to prove things either way; the texts make her story look terrible, but they don't make it untrue.
I think the much more important stance that everyone is missing here is that he points out that the assaulted dude was completely and utterly forgotten in the narrative, because in all of this people don't really give a shit about an assaulted dude, which is awful
No WAY this is a decade old already. I'm not getting old, I'm NOT! YOU ARE! AAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!
Getting old is a privilege that many people don’t experience.
@@BritInvLvr
Yeah, I was just hamming it up for likes. It's not so much getting old that has me down, moreso that I haven't really used the time effectively.
@@wompastompa3692couldn’t agree more on that last sentence… oh how little I have done
Jonathan
lol getting old sucks.
If Paul was drunk when Emma took him back to her room does that not make her the rapist?
Edit: my opinion but this narrator sounds upstet the more and more the story goes. As if he wants Paul to be guilty given the events.
Is that...bias... I am smelling from THFM??
I don't think spelling his name with an "ß" was an attempt to prevent people for searching for him. He probably just replaced the "ß" with "ss" because the majority of Americans don't know what the hell an "ß" is. And even if they did, they wouldn't know how to type it on a US computer.
It's a German s or something like that right
@@creepypastakingthedragones3679 It's the german letter to make an "sz" sound.
Plus, ß and ss are pretty much synonymous spellings in German
@@creepypastakingthedragones3679 It's a combination of the lowercase german fracture letters "s" and "z", to make a hissing-s sound, also called sharp-s or more commonly Eszett. A single S is spoken soft. As mentionend double-S is also used instead of ß.
@@Mangafan47 Mind you, "ß" is much less used after an orthography reform in the 1990s.
He does not need to prove himself innocent. Its "innocent until proven guilty"
He doesn't need to prove his innocence. She was caught lying and her claim disproven. She got upset her "private" conversation where it disproves her claims were exposed. Your closing statement really is not something I could stand behind.
One side innocent even after proven guilty, the other is guilty, sometimes even after proven innocent. Guess which is which....
People always forget that it's innocent before proven guilty not vice versa. I didn't like his closing statement either
GFM is really leaning in to the leftist talking points, wonder if he's goint to do a Jussie Smollet video next
@@MaxiemumKarnagewhat u expect? He is the poster boy of a soyboy!
His closing statement is borderline defamatory in my opinion. Hopefully Pual sees this and sends a cease & desist.
TheGamerFromMars: "This doesn't prove she lied"
Uh, yes it did...in front of the press, in front of the people and more importantly, in front of the court.
Why is she not serving time?
I've said it before, as much as I like the gamer from Mars content, over the almost 2 years, he's been pretty biased when the evidence is there.
Regardless if the rape did happen or not, this Columbia really should have taken a clear stance on this, either he's innocent and should be left alone or he's a rapist and it's ok to display "art pieces" made by her showing his private parts. Standing on the fence like that did them no favors.
The school did not "sit on the fence." The "art piece," aka her thesis, of carrying around the mattress (a literal constant reminder of her claims) was signed off by her degree supervisor.
The school _endorsed_ her false claims.
@@elLooto While also not doing anything about the guy and keeping their stance of "our investigation says nothing happened"
drunk sex + later regret does not equal rape
Drunk sex is rape lol
You can't consent under an influence
@@hairlessgrizzly559That's obviously not how that works and it's way more nuanced than that. Maybe if the person is literally unconscious. But if it was just any alcohol period, than Sooooo much of the world would be grapists. Including people graping eachother. How's that work in your new legal system? Lol
@@whateverwhatever4026 I know lol, I have friends who fuck when they're high
It's concerning, I'll admit, but I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting so high on weed they go unconscious, but idk, I've never been high, just gone to school with tons of stoners (one of them was a Rick and Morty fan lol, acted like getting high unlocked the secrets of the UNIVERSE)
@@hairlessgrizzly559Paul was the only one who was drunk there was he raped?
@@hairlessgrizzly559he was drunk, she was sober. She SAd him.
You are immediately telling her side of the story as if it was fact, when Investigators looked at the actual facts and found out, none of this was true, and much of your statistics are false claims as well. I feel victim to this BS myself. While 3000 miles away from my home town, severing in the military, one of my best friends from High School told a bunch of our friends that she stopped me while I was r_p_ing a mutual friend of ours after a music concert. I was demonized by my friend group. Luckily I was still in contact with the girl I supposedly did this to, told her and she was mortified as well. Neither of us lived in the State at the time. Still to this day people accuse me of this crime even though she has publicly said this never happened.
They need to start charging false accusations so that some of this type of behavior gets quashed. Make the evidence public once it’s found to be false too.
People do go to jail for false allegations if found to be truly false. This is not one of those cases since there is no way to prove it was false
@@manporo5865 Wdym 'there's no way to prove it was false'? If it wasn't proven true, then by default it IS false.
@@axelolord you need evidence that the claim is false before saying that it is false. Like most things in life, this isn't black or white. Semantics matter heavily when it comes to the justice system, which is why innocent until proven guilty is part of your civil rights.
@@manporo5865 you can sometimes get by with circumstantial evidence and reasonable doubt. It's happened before, which is why you can still be guilty as clear as video footage shows and be acquitted.
@@axelolordStatistically finding evidence for SA is SLIM. meaning the vast majority of assaults reported aren’t convinced because there is no evidence. passing this law you want would mean thousands of real life victims would be convicted if you don’t care to verify if they truly were being malicious about it. Which makes you no better than ppl who make false accusations
You’re a fool if you think she’s been even remotely truthful.
"He's a rapist and he also assaulted me!"... "But I wont join the investigation... Nor provide my totally true statement to court under oath"
Riiiiii~ght... 🙄
One night,while super drunk, my dad told me to: don't talk to women, don't look at women and always walk down the hallway with your eyes pointed right at your toes. It's much better to avoid tripping over a rock then it is to end up with child support and accusations of rape.
Idk why but seeing the title my brain went to a vague story of a girl dying on like a gym mattress in school. I swear there's a story like that somewhere where she kinda just got left under a pile of mattresses.
there is but it’s was a young boy he was found rolled up in a gym mattress
there was a young man that accidentally dropped his shoe into a rolled up gym mat and tried to go in head first to get it back. He died from being stuck upside down all night because he was there on his own :c
In 2013, there was a high school basketball player who was found in a rolled up wrestling mat; Kendrick Johnson in Valdosta, Georgia. There were a lot of questions surrounding his death. I'm not sure if that's the story you're thinking of or not.
There's also some Internet lore stories similar to that case that have gone around since then.
@@ashleybrooke2087 That does seem to be the story I was thinking of!
Noo it was a boy who dove into an upright rolled up gym mat and died cos he couldn't get out
So basically, a classic case of 'Crazy Obsessive Ex'?
OKay, but her initial statement is that she was sober and he was very drunk and she took him to bed. Reverse the sexes, and that's already SA on the sober person's fault in so many of these accusations. How is it not mattering here? /gen *edit apparently I need to be more concise: NO it is not ever okay that he, or *anyone* physically forced anyone into any type of intimacy. I was asking about before the private encounter happened, not what violence occurred.
Because of a double standard called female privilege that everyone wants to pretend doesn’t exist.
Taking someone who is drunk to bed is not sexual assault by definition. Consent does not require sobriety
@@alexnoyleExactly. It's only when a woman is drunk that there is no consent. These misogynists are pressed!
@@jackchop1576 the gender doesn't matter. There's a difference between being drunk or high and being blacked out or unconscious
Are you really suggesting no drunk alcoholic man has ever raped a sober woman? You're seriously trying to argue that?
as someone whos been assaulted, id never be ok reenacting it for the public.
No doubt hey, I don’t even talk to anybody anymore, nevermind telling people something that makes me feel like a gullible idiot. I wish you all the best, and hope you are doing better now my friend
@@Practicalinvestments thank you. every day is progress. i hope likewise for you yo.
The whole story is absurd.
She was ok with him for 7 months. She was sending him messages & was setting up meetings/dates...
(F me in the arse, I am so traumatized?)
Then after 7 months, she supposedly felt uncomfortable with his presence at the university!??
And because some girl said that he tried to kiss her, & exposed himself to some guy?!
This is literally the story as I understand.
How does this make any sense!?
That might be true for you but some people find it cathartic I mean take baby reindeer for an example. All I could think watching it is this actually happened to him why is he retraumatizing himself but for some people acting it out and getting to walk away that particular time unscathed is almost like a strange way of closing the loop if that makes sense. It's definitely not for everyone and I can't speak on this girl in a particular I haven't finished the video I'm just speaking about other people who actually dealt with it. I've noticed myself personally making the same mistakes at times repeatedly trying to get a different outcome it's basically the same thing we all do on different levels and scales.
@@bestdjaf7499 She probably did all that because she doesn't take "no" as an answer, lol
...so you concluded that he changed his name to avoid being associated with the controversy instead of, oh I don't know, that literally being how his name is spelled?? The other spelling was only ever used while he was in the US, probably because it was easier for Americans due to the lack of ß in their alphabet. Some wild mental gymnastics in this video.
A girl in our St Andrews Uni did the same thing, and no surprise she was not popular before or after.
What happened in that case?
@@CorkScrewFacedCapital Basically the exact same as in his case, which is why I was surprised it happened overseas. This was about 15 years ago though and remember the uni raising awareness for spiked drinks after that, regardless of whether they believed her or not.
Popularity doesn't matter. She just wanted justice, not to be some it-girl.
@hitfasthithard you spelled "attention" wrong. She just wanted attention.
@@hitfasthithard How do you know this?
She made an adult movie were she recreated her SA, if that isnt crazy i dont know what is.
absolutely fuckin nuts
WTF???!!!!!!!
That's basic AF... trauma 101. I get this knowledge isn't the most shared among everyday people, but reenacting your trauma in a controlled manner as a possibility of healing is really surface traumatology knowledge.
There are a lot of arguing whether it is actually a toxic pattern that doesn't help of if is a successful way to heal, the answer being as always "it depends for each case" most likely.
@@Shade-Spark so I all I got from that is it's still fucked, but common
Well, she's a crazy liar soo@@Shade-Spark
Good points for not censoring words. Bad points for simping over a liar. You okay, GamerFromMars? Your past few videos have been weirdly biased. I get that it's election season, but you're usually more diligent.
This girl is a monster.
@@qualityanimatoroftheyeardidn't they previously sleep together? And he was drunk? But she's the victim? Interesting
@@trainwreck420ishHe was drunk and overpowered her.
@@MichaelTurner856 that's her side of the story
Homie, she was never proven to have lied about anything. GFM says it right here.
@@qualityanimatoroftheyearYou have the IQ of a French Fry
Wow. You know the expression, "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." This woman mined her entire personal history with this man to find a single moment not even near the end of it, to frame her own narrative, just to aggrandize herself at his expense.
Wait…. She was sober and he was drunk?
She brought him to her room to fool around and didn’t just drop him off and go back to the party?
Sounds like she intended to assault him
SPOILER ALERT: She was lying! She was convicted in court and must pay the victim for the harm she caused him. This is why "believe all women" and "guilty until proven innocent" and "prohibition on due process" is so dangerous. The school is guilty too, for convicting the victim with no evidence, no due process, and no opportunity to hire counsel and cross-examine witnesses. The poor guy was railroaded by the school and railroaded by social media.
same as johnny deep, people really have selective memory
Did you watch the video?
@@KPX01 The Johnny Depp trial(s) was/were highly publicised and presented through an extreme pro-Depp lense. Both he and Amber Heard seem to be difficult people, but he's the one in the wrong.
@@camelopardalis84 oh so now we are ignoring the court result because he wins the case? Do you even watch the actual court proceeding or you are just repeating what pro amber is saying?
@@camelopardalis84 Bro if you genuinely think depp was in the wrong I'm sorry but I'm gonna ask you to give back those braincells you clearly aren't using them.
Here is the first problem. Columbia cleared him, and I'm sure that Columbia had looser standards than our court system. I'm supposed to believe she would be able to get past a grand jury, let alone criminal court?
Now, the other accusers do not qualify as rape in any legal orcreally moral sense.
Paul was drunk, and Emma was sober, so in a legal sense, an argument
The burden of proof is not on the accused, it is on the accuser. The other accusers all backed down.
Finally who benefitted the most from this whole thing? It was Emma and to a lesser extent Columbia.
I feel that by our justice system, there is no way anyone can realistically believe Emma.
I would go far enough to say Paul Nungesser was violated.
Disappointing video. Your argument is basically "you haven't proven a negative in court". It's very rare for the court to judge women for lying about r-word accusion even in cases where there are overwhelming evidence against them. Defamation cases are also hard to carry, and she's probably not rich enough for the case to even bring him money. Then you changed the topic on the epidemic of SA in college campus, using numbers that haven't been verified? How is that related?
You quote an "expert" saying victims don't come forward immediately due to shame. Sure, that is true. But I'm curious why you don't cite equally studies showing officers believe up to half of SA claims are false? Look up Aydin Paladin's video on false claims. The litterature is overwhelmingly showing evidence for potetnially very high rate of false claims. Cherrypicking your experts is not good. I guess cherrypicking is something you like to do lately.
Honestly, lately your videos have become more and more biased.
It does prove he's innocent actually.
False accusers should face the same consequences as their victims would have.
lying < rape. not the same crime
Not wrong but lying about a rape ruins the lives of the accused youre put on a registery that never goes away among other things that you legally have to do like exolain why you were arrested on a job application it also makes it much harder for people who were actuslly raped to come out andpoint out their attacker@1amazinggoddess
@@1amazinggoddess You're right, being SA'd is better than being falsely accused of it. I'd way rather have it happen to me than be accused of it. You are entitled to your opinion, as we all are. You've falsely accused someone, haven't you?
@@1amazinggoddess
Except that when the person who’s been lied about. Is kicked off his college football team loses their Collage Scholarship. An also because of it no NFL team will touch him even though before hand he was expected to go within the first round of recruiting. An even when the man is proven innocent means nothing because he’ll always be labeled as the gRapist! An you can’t act like it’s never happened before. Or even worse just within the last month or so a man had done I think it was 16 years of a 25 year sentence in a Level 3 Prison, and the girl just came out saying she made it all up. I’m guessing you’ve never done time in prison much less a level 3 or higher prison. Because gRapist are just barely above Chomo’s. gRapist get extorted by the gangs for everything they have, the also get gRaped in prison an catch beatings on a regular basis. An yes I actually have seen that happen to them by their own race. The only people who’s below a gRapist are Snitches and Chomo’s. The Chomo, and the gRapist I seen had to have their family on the outside pay for their protection on the inside. It was $400 a week for the gRapist, and the Chomo’s family had to pay $500. every week to the AB just to keep him alive, but not enough to keep them from getting beaten
@@sannyassi73 actually no, ive never accused anyone of rape or assault. I have, in fact, been falsely accused myself. It ruined my life, but I’d rather go through that again than be raped.
Ya if the text messages, the "art", and finally coming out as gender fluid didnt tell she was a loon, we are lost as a society.
Not all women lie but this one did. She is a despicable human being for ruining that guys life
nah many woman lies, from amber heard to this, there many more.
@@leatherDarkhorse yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa no.
munecat, a youtuber who debunked the entire manosphere even explained that men are an order of magnitude more likely victims of SA then they will be of being falsely accused of SA.
it's a statistical fact.
and before you put words in my mouth, i am not saying that what happened to that young man is hand-waveable, what am saying is you are actively trying to spread misinformation and are fear-mongering to distract against the real issue which is male SA and male child SB
And that's the issue. Many SA victims exist. They carry that burden wherever they go. But people like her just walk up to them and drop a 50 pound mattress on them, and then *they* get shit on by people that don't believe them. People like Emma make it so hard to believe victims.
@rayewonderland so (insert bastardized english) are gonna ignore the fact the court found him not guilty?
@@SpyrosFilippopoulos trying to dunk on someone for saying y’all is somethin else
Yeah so she's just another crazy person who made something up.
It's really not that complicated. Some woman did something she regretted and painted the guy as a monster, the school didn't have enough proof one way or another to act on anything so she did what bullies with BPD do. She made a scene and did everything she could for attention well playing the victim.
@rayewonderlandand there's no proof he did. So I'm not obligated to believe her
Except the exact same thing match if that really happened, and that "bullies with BPD" pattern you describe is what doesn't fit BPD, unlike all the rest. Going on a life crusade while distorting your reality or cynically crushing someone's life for it is a much more costly guess, and even lower in the rabbit hole of infernal traumatic conditions VS basic BPD reaction to rape on a random drunk day.
BPD people regret things they do 24/7, and they beat themselves up about it. Can't be 100% sure but BPD and narcissim or psychopathy 99% sure don't go hand in hand, while paranoia, distorted memories and drastic actions are way more likely... except not if the thing she regrets is her own choice and merely another impusle that put her in a shitty situation.
@rayewonderland Innocent till proven guilty in America, you are looking at it backwards, they did not prove he was guilty, he did not need to prove he didn't do anything there was no proof he did!!
@rayewonderland I've dated multiple victims of assault that she spoke of, none of them would like to even talk about s3x or would have texted things like that girl did. She didn't wait , she formulated how to get back at the guy that didn't want to be with her. Even my wife says this girl is a liar and I'm sure many females would agree , especially ones that have been assaulted like she claimed to be and watching how she handled it. She came up with something that would give her the attention she wanted. The attention her parents didn't give her probably because they both were doctors and didn't have the time they should have to spend with her. Not her fault but she even admitted years later she loved the attention that she was getting from it. She posed for pics with the people that were against her and her lies years later, a person that was really assaulted wouldn't ever be seen with people that wrote stories about her being a liar and standing up for her supposed attacker. Again in America innocent until proven guilty, the burden of proof falls to the victim and she failed on that account because there was no proof, no msgs to friends about the incident, no msgs to her family about it, nothing, then all of a sudden she has this idea to make an art project out of her assault? Lol yeah right GTFO , anyone that still believes this woman is either living with a TBI, has a low IQ, or is blissfully ignorant in life!!!!
@Shade-Cloak I've got to respectfully disagree. I dated a girl with BPD who made an adult film with some men when she was 16 and someone sent the video to her dad and she claimed the Mattress girl'd her just to save face. To this very day she insists it was 100% against her will.
I've since looked into it and yeah, the story was 100% bs. Between word of mouth, contacting witnesses, looking into the legal history of the cases and just having dated her and seeing her for the lying monster she was I can say that she was 100% lying. Like yeah, the guys were bad for doing what they did, and I'm not saying any of it was ok, but she 100% wanted it and made sure these men got as much prison time as possible just so she could look like the victim.
Seriously mentally ill women will 100% lie about that and feel no remorse.
The problem is that a lot of people with BPD never get held accountable and just keep pushing the envelope with what they can get away with. Most of them only feel bad when their actions have consequences. that effect them.
"Consent tea." Pfft. Look, this is why you have a problem on campuses. You take a bunch of kids just out of high school who are mostly novices when it comes to sex. You take them away from their families and communities who tend to be the most powerful bodies at regulating norms of conduct in these regards, throw in craptons of alcohol (which they also won't have a lot of experience with), and then say "oh, by the way, navigate these highly complex and intimate interactions with each other. Here's some pamphlets. We're not your parents."
why should paul have to prove anything to anybody ? emma clearly wanted a lot of attention, and she certainly got it.
The whole “believe all women” trash is rubbish. You should never believe anybody automatically. That doesn’t mean you can’t be respectful no helpful until you find out the truth. Never just blindly believe anybody or anything.
With everyone wanting to be famous and a victim nowadays I’d be terrified being out there dating if I was a kid.
31:45 What are you talking about?
You suggest he went back to Europe in an attempt to hide out. I think it's more safe to assume he finished his studies and then went back, which is what foreign exchange students do. If an American was studying in Europe, had something bad happen to them and then moved back home after graduation, they didn't run away from it since that's what they were going to do anyway.
You also suggest that the spelling in the name is different for similar reasons. It's not some alternative spelling of his name, it's the ORIGINAL spelling. Nungesser is the alternative spelling. It would be like suggesting that a Chinese-born man decided to hide himself by spelling his birth name in Hanzi, the original spelling. And the fact that he openly uses his real name on these projects suggests the entire opposite to me, he's not hiding at all.
Those are some pretty bad faith arguments, and sadly not the only ones present in the video.
Now im waiting for his next video where he says the Amber Heard situation was more complicated and Johnny Depp disnt prove his innocence.
This TH-camr is shameful.
False Rape claims should definitely be a crime.
If they ever had have sex, it would not be covered by that law anyway. It is very hard to prove the accusation was knowingly false.
@@IkarusKommt though there should still be some legal or financial recourse. Men legit lost their careers and basically lives because of such things.
@@destynova4512 Only the court can qualify the deeds as crimes. If a victim thought that some actions against them was a crime, it is OK for them to be wrong.
If there was no such actions, falsely reporting them is a crime in some jurisdictions, but that is evidently not a case here.
If I helped that girl carry the mattress I would feel so dumb today watching vids of me helping this liar...
Bad bad bad bad take.
We don’t live in a justice system where people are guilty until proven innocent. There was no evidence to prove he was guilty. End of story.
The angle change is driving me up the fucking wall. Also I think it's a little different because it was the school that was handling it(per Title IX requirements. Yes, I know that's stupid) and the REAL U.S. legal system was only brought forward when Paul was threatening to sue. Paul and the lawyers must have had so much more in those messages(and other evidence) if they were willing to release them to the public before Discovery(making them invalid for the case).
Someone needs to investigate this TH-camr. One of the comments in this video has pointed out that this bloke looks remarkably similar to a guy who was photographed supporting the Mattress Girl's "art" performance. The photo is in the Wikipedia page "Mattress Performance (Carry That Weight)."
If that guy in the photo is indeed this TH-camr (I doubt it, but they look similar regardless) then that might explain why he had that disgusting take at the end.
Yes, yes it CLEARLY changes the story, and makes her the problem, Mr. Gamer. I don't think this is the argument you thought it was. Her originally story is DIRECTLY CONTRADICTED AND PROVEN FALSE. Just look at the buttstuffs. She first claimed that they never did that before and it was such a surprise and shock. But her texts clearly say otherwise and even show her asking for it. Literally. Shes a liar. End of story.....
Your "arguments" are:
• She wasn't officially associated with any other TwitterFemanaziMemes? Um okay, and? Memes have to know each other to be the memes?Dude...
• She didn't immediately report? Again, and? Just because SOME actual survivors don't, that doesn't make her one. Thats a plain strawman...
•More of your bad numbers that I've already repeatedly debunked. And again again, DOESN'T MAKE HER SPECIFICALLY ANYTHING. Guys, theres thousands and thousands of millionares out there, so that means I'm one too!
Bruh...
wtf is wrong her? why destroying her own body just because she hates a guy? what a stupid thing to do.
She's not helping the true rape victims, she's making it harder for them
Even if we take the story at face value, and we believe the assault as first told. Then she herself already went to bed with someone unable to adequatly consent right?
She is a liar.
I agree but even the host gives her more benefit of doubt than the dude. Just shows how screwed up things are. There is a clear presumption of guilt, but only in one direction.
Dude, let's be real. She was exposed as being a fraud. Stop trying to demonize this guy's family and then assuming that a person who was proven wrong is right. This video REEKS of someone who wants their cake and to eat it too.
He is innocent, not because he was proven innocent. He is innocent, because every is INNOCENT BY DEFAULT.
Unless proven otherwise, an accused person is innocent. Period.
No dude. It is innocent until proven guilty. The burden of proof lies on the one doing the accusing, to prove that their accusation is true not the other way around.
"There were also three other people that accuse Paul of wrongdoing as well." - These are further accusations that also needs to be proven. Even if there are thousands of people accusing Paul, those provides nothing to support Paul's guilt especially if these accusations can't be proven to be true. They just become more accusations that need to satisfy their own burden of proof.
Seriously, how could you not know such basic stuff?
Such shameful video, you are spreading a destructive mindset especially considering your strong influence.
This became a little bit of a spectacle. Too much artists mustard on the hotdog
The best part of this video was learning that Mindy Kaling’s brother pretended to be black.
I had someone make false claims against me. The crazy thing is how they use victim psychology to justify their lies. Saying things like “I was too traumatized to get it right” or “I felt ashamed to speak.” This both abuses actual victims and the one falsely accused. Even now I feel uneasy about speaking out because the way I was labeled. I was the one victimized and people that make false accusations should be treated like the abusers they are.
My son is going through this right now. His live in girlfriend attacked him while he was sleeping and he woke up defending himself because he didn’t know what was happening. When I say defending, he pushed her off of him while she was choking him. She called the cops and off to jail he went. We’ve retained an attorney and he’s just a mess. He confessed that this has been an ongoing issue with her mentally and physically abusing him and he was too embarrassed to say anything about it. It’s heartbreaking and expensive to fight against false accusations. My heart goes out to you men. ❤
The LAW IS Innocent until PROVEN GUILTY!
There's no such thing as "none of this means he is Innocent "... either it was proved he was guilty or he IS INNOCENT.
well yeah legally he was claimed to be innocent. but that doesn't mean it's impossible to commit a crime and get away with it so, hes just saying the evidence brought up to cast doubt doesn't definitively disprove the accusation. just like how the statistics and the psychology of victims makes a pattern that makes the event more plausible, but they don't actually prove the accusation to be true.
@@_GLXC Can you copy and paste this under every comment that says "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" 😂
@@_GLXCyeah but the opposite can be true as well. I can fake a crime and get away with it too
Soooo you think OJ Simpson was innocent too?
a coke dealer deals their whole life and never gets caught. by this logic they’ve never dealt coke.
The most amazing thing about this psycho is that anyone tolerated her at all. Way too many people allowed this abuser to continue.
I was hoping this would be a balanced video, not one simping for her the entire time.
@antikommunistischaktion Yeah, I find it odd with the overwhelming evidence that she lied, he closes the video still defending her and suggesting Paul was never proven not to have raped her... which isn't how USA law works. Not to mention it was proven she lied a lot, the other accuser was pushed to make the accusation by Emma and the other accusation seemed to simply vanish strongly goes in his favour. While she kept showing weird behaviour, telling different stories of different times she was "abused" and went through some random image and belief changes rather rapidly, like a narcissist/sociopath who just emulates people around them.
She was also lying the whole time...
and harassing
You can't disprove a negative your argument is false. Emma behavior does n ot indicate a stable personality or witness.
In the UK there was a lady who accused a man of r. Fortunately they were captured on camera in a shop which absolved the guy. The police refused to prosecute the woman. The guy was fortunate and rich enough to seek a private prosecution but then the girl un alived herself. And that was the end of that
Emma in her Fb messages to paul really dates this story so much 😂
Emma: "Oh forrealz?"... real Rawr XD energy lolol
Those text messages are wild
Performative acts like this should be a red flag, victims should file a police report and coordinate with authorities for criminal prosecution. It is also a cautionary tale against casual sex, beside unwanted pregnancies and STIs.
The university completely mishandled this case. No one’s names should’ve come out and this should’ve remained a private matter. By allowing this to become public, they fanned the flames for all the protests, think pieces, etc. and further antagonize the guy. Most of the time, these cases always are always gray and not black and white like we think they are. If privacy isn’t first and foremost, these things get out of hand and misrepresented.
This is such a complex topic. "Believe all women" I mean. It feels horrible to say to someone claiming to have been raped, "You're lying." You can't know one way or another in most cases. If you take their word as fact, you do away with guilty-until-proven-innocent. If you assume they're lying, good luck creating accountability for disgusting rapists.
It seems like the "obvious" solution is to not believe or disbelieve. Acknowledge you can't know one way or the other and wait for evidence. Unless there were cameras or witnesses, what possible evidence could there be though? Since you can't prove rape occurred in most cases, it's so tempting to just believe all accusers.
That's where my bias comes in for me. I was falsely accused because I was hanging out with a woman a lot since we worked together, and her boyfriend (who was abusive) got very jealous and was yelling at her about spending time with me. Eventually she ended up telling him I assaulted her to redirect his anger from her to me. I talked to her years later, that's how I know that.
So if I supported "believe all women", then I'd be supporting a pattern of behavior that could lead me to being a falsely convicted rapist. On the other hand, what other solution is there for actual victims? I just hate it all.
Oh my god the true story is disgusting. I blindly believed Emma thinking there's no way it's fake when there's multiple "victims" all claiming similar stories. Poor Paul.
This is really cool your covering this thank you!! I watched this happen as a teen, t's really nice to see it's still being talked about
This is the world we live in, where for women its innocent until proven guilty and for men it's guilty until proven innocent
"The type of person who believe all women until it's her son" 😂😂😂