Good presentation. I like everything I’ve read about the features of the Tiger 900 Rally Pro, but am concerned about long-term maintenance costs of the triple. Any thoughts on total cost of ownership compared to the Honda?
I sold my Triumph 800 and got the 2020 Africa Twin, one of reasons was maintenance cost of Triumph was too much and Triumph always tried to look for stupid reasons when it came to warranty fixes... that turned me off!
That's one major difference between these two brands (at least where I live). Maintenance cost of Honda is way cheaper than that of Triumph here...even the parts come cheaper....add more fuel economy into the picture as well and you've got so many reasons to go for the Honda.
The Twin Post I sold my R1200 GS for a loaded 2020 Twin Adv Sports and LOVE it so far! Sounds seriously bitchy and has lots of grunt power. The main reason-reliability, operating costs & maintenance (dealer channel is far superior). And she just looks amazing!
@@kjaw7278 Man wasn't the 1200Gs more torquey than the Honda? Also the suspension on bmw wasn't day and night? The weight distribution on bmw and its behavior in turns and curves ? PS (Come on I have a honda myself but don't be so against bmw..)
@Quinn Dang in this case it doesn't make a significant difference in terms of range. If you need more range, get an adventure sports or a BMW Adventure. Most people don't ride in places where the fuel stops are 400km apart anyway.
The TRP has tubeless rims. I don’t think the argument is won on paper considerations, but on which bike you prefer to be on. In other words, it’s subjective and I’m exceedingly grateful that these manufacturers are in competition for our business which drives their product development.
I've owned an R80GS (shaft drive)and a HONDA XLV750 (shaft Drive) and a Triumph Tiger Trail 750(1982). Throw in a BMW R1000GS for good measure. I'd probably prefer the Triumph. Nothing more frustrating than using poorly designed switchgear though I don't understand why manufacturers have dropped shaft drive. No chains to oil, adjust or break at the wrong moment and I never had any mechanical issues with a shaft summer or winter. I had to pay extra for a centre stand on my CB500F. Going down the freeway I had a big chunk of industrial plastic bag caught up in the chain. Half an hour getting it out on the centre stand digging, spinning the wheel back and forth. Shaft drive forever.
Every system has its pros and cons. If by chance the shaft gets hit in some remote part of the world, your trip is over. Chains can be replaced, adapted from other bikes etc..
R CC I was out on the R80GS one day and came across these dejected motocrossers asked me if I had a spare link for a broken chain. Told the guy I was sorry but I didn't usually carry them. His mate pointed to the shaft drive on the Bimmer.
I was in between these two....but after looking at pricing in my country...I went with the tiger. It was 500 cheaper, carries a but more fuel, and comes standard with things I would add anyways (crash protection, a center stand, and a skid plate). I owned a V Strom 1000, and went for the tiger for 2 main reasons: It is better suited for offroad, and...the engine. Although nothing wrong with the Strom but I found the engine to be a little... unsavory, to call it somehow. Hell, even my DR650 or my dad's 1090 kept me smiling for longer. And, if you compare the AT with the Tiger, just the equipment alone (for me) is worth it. Fuel mileage....I get sore before actually finishing a tank, or if needed I just carry an extra can. Regarding servicing...I had quite some issues getting parts for the Strom (due to the fact that most of the Suzukis sold here are below the 650 range), and that was annoying. And so, the same issue appeared with Honda, as there are only 2 dealers for bikes over 500cc in the whole country, compared to Triumphs 6. I don't consider the AT a bad bike, nor do I have issues with it (haven't owned it, can't complain, and I in fact like it), but bang for the buck...so far...the Tiger did it for me.
As a solo driver, I exchanged the BMW GS 1200 for a Tiger 900 Rally Pro and I am satisfied: much lighter, sportier, faster in the districts and significantly more passable in the field.
A very important aspect to consider , when buying an adventure bike to travel to remote places,, is long term reliability and , historically, triumph just cannot compete with Honda in that regard. My vote goes to Honda. Thanks for the great vid.
@@nucl3arfamily906 I'd agree wih you til I've had TWO triumphs break down on test rides although one was thought to be a weak battery that caused a fault. The triumph mechanic himself said he wouldn't buy one and all the techs ride honda/Yamaha despite the huge discounts they get. Triumph has definitely improved but if I had to ride across Europe no way in hell I'd trust a Triumph to get me home. Plus I doubt you are going to find Triumph dealers across eastern Europe and Central Asia, I never had any issue on my Yamaha and doubt you'd have any on a Honda
I like the video, nice presentation, content and comparing. Just one thing, you can't use the TFT touch when ridding the Africa Twin, it doesn't work. And another thing, from a guy that as a 2020 Africa Twin for 2 months now, the controls may seem confusing, but their not. After 1 week ridding you get it all without looking. Again, congrats, nice video!
@@SimonBrisbane also, people talk a bit trash from the small screen, I’ve been using Apple Car Play a lot, you can have the whole TFT for your phone screen, and the smaller one for tracking speed, gear, etc.
If you want to go wild, have fun and instant adventure, then there's only two bikes: African Twin and KTM. Period. The Honda is just more reliable, but both will provide for what you are looking for
I'm completely biased as I own a 2017 Africa Twin but both these bikes are really sharp looking machines. I'd be happy with either one in my garage. The AT just keeps getting better and better....
I was in the market for either the 1100 ATAS or the tiger 900 rally pro, i test rode the ATAS and loved it, handle brilliantly and the electronic suspension is the best on the market imho, I couldn’t test ride the 900 as it wasn’t available at the time and the and the fact triumph decided not to fit electronic suspension, plus the ATAS quality, performance and looks made my mind up and i bought one. The tft touchscreen on the honda cannot be used by touch while riding, it can only be used by touch when stationary. The left handle bar controls for the tft look complicated, but most the button are redundant on the move, you set the modes up when stationary by the buttons or by touch and then just change modes using the up or down buttons. The heated grips, fog lights, headlight and volume use 2 buttons, one one the right side to scroll through and one on the left to adjust. Apple CarPlay is a bit more complicated if you want to change things, but thats not Hondas fault, thats just how CarPlay works. But you only need one button to go from the main bike screen to google maps which are great by the way. The tft is by far the best I’ve seen and I’ve seen the triumph 900’s and had a BM with their tft. The honda is vibey through the pegs and bars, when is disapointing personally, but from someone who suffers from numb hands, the Honda hasn’t caused my hands to go numb (I’ve only done 600 miles on it so far due to the lock down) whereas a bmw 1250gs did. I haven’t ridden a 900 yet, but sat on one and revel the engine, there were vibes present, but I couldn’t comment on what’s its like when riding. I think most people will be swayed by price and the triumph is cheaper, looks great, I’m sure it rides great and is vey well equipped. The honda is very impressive, pretty quick considering its only supposed to have 101 hp, if its on your shortlist, have a go, but dont have a short test ride if your interested, get it for at least half a day and do a couple of hundred miles on one and you’ll love it.
so judging by your comment i suppose you had bad viby experience from the 1250gs , which seems pretty weird because the boxer cylinders are opposed in a way that they take all vibrations away... same in wrx sti imprezas . And was the AT way more relaxed and less viby than the GS? i have the CB500X 2019 and it is a pain on the neck all this vibrations especially after 100 km/h... If there is one thing honda ought to fix in their 2 cylinder bikes are their viby motors... for example f850gs has absorbers inside the cams and it offers a far more realaxed and smooth experience of riding.. was glad when test rode it... Also big problem with honda is the fuelling of the throttle on let and pull ... all european bikes seem to have found a solution to that matter in contrast to japanese bikes' abrupt reaction to throttle ..
It would be wonderful to compare the lower tier tiger models... not everyone wants to drop the kind of coin needed to get the rally pro. What's the best bang for buck version of the tigers? GT? Rally? The base model and add bits to it... etc...
All these bikes would be great to own. Small differences between them. My second year in the Honda ATAS, a peach if a bike: very long road trips, off road (for a city slicker like me) and cutting through the city. An amazing bike. I am not sure about Triumph bikes though. They look good but can't quite put tons of cash towards one. ATAS all the way.
For me the most important factor will be how it fits my body and feels when on and off road. The Tiger gets tubeless rims which is worth a decent premium in my mind. Yet here in Australia the Tiger rally pro is almost $3000 AUD more (1600 £, 2100USD, 1900€). Reliability in our hot climate would concern me yet I’d still go with the Tiger if it fitted better and felt better. Both awesome machines and clearly both manufacturers have lifted their game.
Hi bro, thx for mentioning "tubeless"!!! What a difference, I´m T7 rider... so seldom heard in "professional" tests.. regards from europe/austria, Guenther!
Mmm especially offroad it had been nice testing those back to back, on the same terrain. Great bike on sand is not necessarily great on a single track...
I was shopping both of these up until last week. The Honda just edged out the Trumpet. While the 900 triple is a treat to run hard, reliability and dealer network went to the Honda.
Please make it the 790R model, as it is worlds apart from the regular 790. I'm saying this as a bit of a fanboy now, as I got mine two weeks ago. Fortunately there are so many really great bikes to choose from.
Nice video. I just purchased the PAN AMERICA 1250S, great engine, but no happy with the overall issues the bike is presenting. Thus I am here for a quick change...I was waiting for the new tiger 1200, but no news yet, so I am inclining for the Africa Twin, which seems to be the right choice, as I do more ON ROAD than anything else. Cheers
Seems like the Africa twin is only iPhone compatible.. I'm looking at both of these bikes now and love the tiger but actually wondering how road worthy it actually is if not off roading all the time?
You dont just choose bikes solely based on cost. It's got to look right and make you smile. Thats what my 2017 Tiger does to me. I was deciding between Africa and Tiger and is glad I picked the latter one. I m not gonna bash Honda or praise Tiger. Just don't say one is better than another cause you personally like it better. As far as Tiger 900 goes then it looks pretty much like Africa's twin brother now. I m keeping my 800.
It's like The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, when you have "A" you will always want "B". Disclaimer there are exceptions to any rule. It's the spirit that counts, so pick any but ride and if you find a good place do let others know. Cheers
I would be surprised if I wouldn't also like the new Triumph 900 GT Pro with the 19" front wheel better than the more paved road friendly Africa Twin also, so looks like Triumph has a winner here.
Thank You for this review. Iam on the fence between buying one of these bikes. I have a Tiger 800XCA which I love and use in the southwest U.S. but im looking for a bike to use in the Philippines and Southeast Asia. I think both of these bikes are so evenly matched so perhaps it will come down to availability and dealership cost.
I have never ridden an Africa twin but I am confident that the manual transmission is introduced probably because of low sales figures of the DCT. It is said to be fantastic by many motorcycle journalists but at the end of the day, it is another nanny mode for your bike. I am sure it is fun and convenient but so are scooters. I don't see many dudes buying one over a bike.
Would you call this a new class then, of light-heavyweight adventure machines? Definitely not mid-weight like a Tenere 700 of the V-Strom 650, but lighter than things like a fully kitted out GS Adventure or a 1290 Super Adventure...
@@visordown I guess so...a sub category born out of necessity due to Euro 5 regulations....its a pity though, because i believe that the middleweight adv bikes (tiger 800, ktm 790, tenere 700...) are by far the most capable all terain touring machines...!!! For most people now these 900+ bikes are part of the heavyweight class ADV machines, especially if you look at the price and weight...!!
Can a comparison for Ducati desert sled and triump scrambler 1200 XE. I am very confused between the two. Have my heart on DS but somehow want to try the triumph. Very very confused right now. No video/blog exists on the web that compares these two.
No help at all lol. Both look great but my loyalty is with Honda so.... not super important but is the Honda made in Japan? And the Triumph, in England? Or are they both Thai bikes?
You were suppose to tell me which one to buy! Now im still as confused as ever. Add to that the new HD PanAm. Whats a guy to do? What kills me is there are none to ride of either type in my area. So i cant even test.
great comparison. Funny how many times that lightness, agility, having to replace street tires with knobbies, and others that all come down to comparing these bikes for mostly off road use. Which means if those things are all so important for picking a great adventure bike, then the ktm 790 obviousily is a far better choice of bike. Honda's marketing of its claim to fame, the AT, is always portrayed in a dirt environment. They themselves clearly making the point that a adventure bike needs to excel in off road above all else. If we use their own standard of rating, the new T7 and 790 beat it senselessly at its own game. Set the rules and you've set yourself up for failure.
sorry mate. i think that was rubbish. i drove both those back to back last week. and EVEN in a comparison video to the honda you nag about the vibes on the tiger900. sure, compared to the 800. BUT it is silky smooth compared to the almost 2-stroke feel of the africa twin which gets vibey way earlier in the rev range. My impression was that, yes as you say, the honda is really a honda, feels like the last 7 hondas i've owned, although if i lived on the countryside and only took it for shorter rides, id go with the honda, but it is WAY too vibey for long distances, AND the tiger900 started showing vibes around 170kmh! where the honda had vibes right from the start !? don't get me wrong! my last bike was a big twin harley 1745cc, a motorbike is allowed to vibrate. drop the bullshit now. the tiger900 is super smooth. im not brand loyal in any way, never had a triumph. was considering both. till i drove them. the tiger 900 all day every day.
Mike Blomquist I had a British press fleet AT AS for just under a week and did about 1000 all in. It’s was vine free on the motorway. Also, I was comparing the vibes of the T900 against the nonexistent vibes of the T800.
Visordown Motorcycle Videos sure., but why do that comparison again in this vid. For just the tiger900 review, i can see the point although i feel you made it sound way worse than it is. The africa twin vibe free on the motorway? Compared to the tiger? Bugger off. Mate i dont care if you were on a press fleet or whatever. I drove those same bikes, pushed both up to 180kmh on the motorway. The africa twin is closer to my fiances xsr700 in terms of vibes than the tiger 900. If the 800 are a vibe value of 1, i can consent to that the t900 would be a 2. But the the honda would be a 6. (From 1-10).
AT changed the game when it first came out. Given there are a lot of new changes to this new bike including price, I'm surprised it only amounted to a ho-hum upgrade. The tigers upgrade seems a lot more substantial and I suspect many 800 owners will be tempted to upgrade, where as the AT not so much....
So would you say the Honda A T has a lot less vibration than the Triumph when hitting 75 down the highway ???? I like the compact package of the triumph and its simplistic TFT controls, But my Main riding will ONLY be on dirt roads , back roads and some highway... NO serious single track or trail riding... Been there... Done that.... Now GETTING too old to continue risking it... HAHAHAHAHA
The previous gen was the most unreliable piece of shit I ever had. Rusting frame welding, fuelpump and injector issues not even a month after purchase(2019 jul), and wasn't sorted out till date, had a service for it back in october under warranty, I've been waiting for another service since december. If it is anything like the 2019model, I'de say stay the hell away from it!
By starting off talking about monthly payments, you lost me. I thought I was going to watch a motorcycle capabilities comparison. If you can't pay cash for a toy like this you might want to rethink your purchase.
Adventure bikes, now light-heavy weights. Do we also have mid-mid size, or heavy mid size. Not cracking on your great vid and review work at all. But OMG, what is with every bike being called an adventure bike? Street tires, 500+lbs, paper air filters that take 1 hr to clean on the dirt road every 3 days of dusty riding? light heavy weights that are equally good on the street and dirt. That is not possible for any bike of this size and weight. Is a ktm 790 know more dirt than street? then where does this leave yamaha t7. More dirt as well, because both these are leaps and bounds more capable than these two beasts. Great bikes, but equally dirt and street. Not even close. Capable off road bikes have nothing to do with 500+lbs, stock street tires and paper filters. Those are street bikes. So, thank you yamaha and ktm for actually building a real adventure bike. We have tons of adventure touring bikes already. Lets have more long distance, backcounrty, gear bikes. Again, good review.
The big adventure bikes are far more capable than you seem to realize or can handle. Some of us have even used them for Enduro racing. You can find plenty of it here on TH-cam. I've done 3000+ miles trips on my long distance set up ktm 500exc and honestly, 99% of the time I wished I had been on one of my bigger bikes. The challenge of overcoming difficult terrain is so much more rewarding on an "adventure bike" than it is on a street legal dirt bike. Bikes of all sizes have their place for the right owner. Sounds like you might want to stick with something a little easier and that's fine too.
Vinay Kumar In the last 4 years I owned an new 2016 Africa Twin, a used 2015 BMW R1200GSA and a used 2013 Triumph Tiger 1200... Guess which bike was the least reliable, at least for me... If you guessed the brand new Honda you guessed right... gearbox leaked oil and you could hardly get the bike to start (with this problem the bike was at the dealer twice within the first 3 month!). The Triumph had problems with the rear shock (well, it’s wasn’t the newest bike of the bunch) and the winner for me is definitely the beemer. Not the slightest issue whatsoever.
@@VinayKumar-db4qz Ok a picture of you on a Triumph LOL I have owned more Triumphs and Hondas then you have sat on or possibly even seen. As a multi line dealer all through the 90' and 2000' you have no idea of what you are talking about. In real life Chump.
stick those bananas Mm, On Yamaha’s website. They say it has a crossplane crankshaft on the MT09. I don’t how else you get a cross plane crankshaft from a 3 cylinder engine, other than it being T-shaped? www.yamahamotorsports.com/hyper-naked/models/mt-09
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Good presentation. I like everything I’ve read about the features of the Tiger 900 Rally Pro, but am concerned about long-term maintenance costs of the triple. Any thoughts on total cost of ownership compared to the Honda?
I sold my Triumph 800 and got the 2020 Africa Twin, one of reasons was maintenance cost of Triumph was too much and Triumph always tried to look for stupid reasons when it came to warranty fixes... that turned me off!
Also found the accessories for honda to be cheaper as well, win win!
That's one major difference between these two brands (at least where I live). Maintenance cost of Honda is way cheaper than that of Triumph here...even the parts come cheaper....add more fuel economy into the picture as well and you've got so many reasons to go for the Honda.
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I sold my R1200 GS for a loaded 2020 Twin Adv Sports and LOVE it so far! Sounds seriously bitchy and has lots of grunt power. The main reason-reliability, operating costs & maintenance (dealer channel is far superior). And she just looks amazing!
@@kjaw7278 Man wasn't the 1200Gs more torquey than the Honda? Also the suspension on bmw wasn't day and night? The weight distribution on bmw and its behavior in turns and curves ?
PS (Come on I have a honda myself but don't be so against bmw..)
Better MPG, Higher HP, Apple carplay, doesn't require premium fuel, better dealer network, and is smother at highway speeds --- Honda clearly winner here.
Said the guy who hasn't ridden either bike. And who tf cares about MPG?
I think Tiger has better quality from Africa twin, so dont underestimate triumph...................
@Quinn Dang in this case it doesn't make a significant difference in terms of range. If you need more range, get an adventure sports or a BMW Adventure. Most people don't ride in places where the fuel stops are 400km apart anyway.
Take a look at the mess of switchgear on the left bar. Dealbreaker
The TRP has tubeless rims. I don’t think the argument is won on paper considerations, but on which bike you prefer to be on. In other words, it’s subjective and I’m exceedingly grateful that these manufacturers are in competition for our business which drives their product development.
I've owned an R80GS (shaft drive)and a HONDA XLV750 (shaft Drive) and a Triumph Tiger Trail 750(1982). Throw in a BMW R1000GS for good measure. I'd probably prefer the Triumph. Nothing more frustrating than using poorly designed switchgear though I don't understand why manufacturers have dropped shaft drive. No chains to oil, adjust or break at the wrong moment and I never had any mechanical issues with a shaft summer or winter. I had to pay extra for a centre stand on my CB500F. Going down the freeway I had a big chunk of industrial plastic bag caught up in the chain. Half an hour getting it out on the centre stand digging, spinning the wheel back and forth. Shaft drive forever.
Every system has its pros and cons. If by chance the shaft gets hit in some remote part of the world, your trip is over. Chains can be replaced, adapted from other bikes etc..
R CC I was out on the R80GS one day and came across these dejected motocrossers asked me if I had a spare link for a broken chain. Told the guy I was sorry but I didn't usually carry them. His mate pointed to the shaft drive on the Bimmer.
@@MrAndrew1953 Barring a couple of advs almost all are on chains...For a reason.
To each his own I guess.. For me its chain.
Chain also has smallest power loss, and with these bikes every hp counts
Shaft drive is heavier, you'll never see a true off road bike with a shaft, chains are easy to work on, or replace like others here have said.
I was in between these two....but after looking at pricing in my country...I went with the tiger. It was 500 cheaper, carries a but more fuel, and comes standard with things I would add anyways (crash protection, a center stand, and a skid plate).
I owned a V Strom 1000, and went for the tiger for 2 main reasons: It is better suited for offroad, and...the engine.
Although nothing wrong with the Strom but I found the engine to be a little... unsavory, to call it somehow. Hell, even my DR650 or my dad's 1090 kept me smiling for longer.
And, if you compare the AT with the Tiger, just the equipment alone (for me) is worth it. Fuel mileage....I get sore before actually finishing a tank, or if needed I just carry an extra can.
Regarding servicing...I had quite some issues getting parts for the Strom (due to the fact that most of the Suzukis sold here are below the 650 range), and that was annoying. And so, the same issue appeared with Honda, as there are only 2 dealers for bikes over 500cc in the whole country, compared to Triumphs 6.
I don't consider the AT a bad bike, nor do I have issues with it (haven't owned it, can't complain, and I in fact like it), but bang for the buck...so far...the Tiger did it for me.
Sounds like a great choice
As a solo driver, I exchanged the BMW GS 1200 for a Tiger 900 Rally Pro and I am satisfied: much lighter, sportier, faster in the districts and significantly more passable in the field.
I love that color scheme on the AT, but haven't seen it in the USA for 2020. Great comparison! Thanks for all your effort!
A very important aspect to consider , when buying an adventure bike to travel to remote places,, is long term reliability and , historically, triumph just cannot compete with Honda in that regard. My vote goes to Honda. Thanks for the great vid.
Myth. Many happy trouble free miles have been done on late model Triumphs. Give it a rest.
@@nucl3arfamily906 I'd agree wih you til I've had TWO triumphs break down on test rides although one was thought to be a weak battery that caused a fault. The triumph mechanic himself said he wouldn't buy one and all the techs ride honda/Yamaha despite the huge discounts they get.
Triumph has definitely improved but if I had to ride across Europe no way in hell I'd trust a Triumph to get me home. Plus I doubt you are going to find Triumph dealers across eastern Europe and Central Asia, I never had any issue on my Yamaha and doubt you'd have any on a Honda
@@Ze-Germanzuk Blah blah blah. I’m now on my fourth Triumph, 2020 Tiger 900, zero issues.
I like the video, nice presentation, content and comparing. Just one thing, you can't use the TFT touch when ridding the Africa Twin, it doesn't work.
And another thing, from a guy that as a 2020 Africa Twin for 2 months now, the controls may seem confusing, but their not. After 1 week ridding you get it all without looking.
Again, congrats, nice video!
I don’t like how slow the TFT is to boot but at least you can ride in the default mode straight away.
@@SimonBrisbane also, people talk a bit trash from the small screen, I’ve been using Apple Car Play a lot, you can have the whole TFT for your phone screen, and the smaller one for tracking speed, gear, etc.
If you want to go wild, have fun and instant adventure, then there's only two bikes: African Twin and KTM. Period. The Honda is just more reliable, but both will provide for what you are looking for
Interesting........... in Australia the Tiger 900 Rally Pro is 3 - 3.5k more expensive than the Africa Twin...
I'm cross-shopping these now in Australia and the pricing is on-par with the AT Adventure Sport so it looks like AT for me.
I'm completely biased as I own a 2017 Africa Twin but both these bikes are really sharp looking machines. I'd be happy with either one in my garage. The AT just keeps getting better and better....
I have a 2017 AT and would not buy another one, it's a rot box. Rusting at all the wield points.
I was in the market for either the 1100 ATAS or the tiger 900 rally pro, i test rode the ATAS and loved it, handle brilliantly and the electronic suspension is the best on the market imho, I couldn’t test ride the 900 as it wasn’t available at the time and the and the fact triumph decided not to fit electronic suspension, plus the ATAS quality, performance and looks made my mind up and i bought one. The tft touchscreen on the honda cannot be used by touch while riding, it can only be used by touch when stationary. The left handle bar controls for the tft look complicated, but most the button are redundant on the move, you set the modes up when stationary by the buttons or by touch and then just change modes using the up or down buttons. The heated grips, fog lights, headlight and volume use 2 buttons, one one the right side to scroll through and one on the left to adjust. Apple CarPlay is a bit more complicated if you want to change things, but thats not Hondas fault, thats just how CarPlay works. But you only need one button to go from the main bike screen to google maps which are great by the way. The tft is by far the best I’ve seen and I’ve seen the triumph 900’s and had a BM with their tft.
The honda is vibey through the pegs and bars, when is disapointing personally, but from someone who suffers from numb hands, the Honda hasn’t caused my hands to go numb (I’ve only done 600 miles on it so far due to the lock down) whereas a bmw 1250gs did. I haven’t ridden a 900 yet, but sat on one and revel the engine, there were vibes present, but I couldn’t comment on what’s its like when riding.
I think most people will be swayed by price and the triumph is cheaper, looks great, I’m sure it rides great and is vey well equipped. The honda is very impressive, pretty quick considering its only supposed to have 101 hp, if its on your shortlist, have a go, but dont have a short test ride if your interested, get it for at least half a day and do a couple of hundred miles on one and you’ll love it.
so judging by your comment i suppose you had bad viby experience from the 1250gs , which seems pretty weird because the boxer cylinders are opposed in a way that they take all vibrations away... same in wrx sti imprezas . And was the AT way more relaxed and less viby than the GS? i have the CB500X 2019 and it is a pain on the neck all this vibrations especially after 100 km/h... If there is one thing honda ought to fix in their 2 cylinder bikes are their viby motors... for example f850gs has absorbers inside the cams and it offers a far more realaxed and smooth experience of riding.. was glad when test rode it... Also big problem with honda is the fuelling of the throttle on let and pull ... all european bikes seem to have found a solution to that matter in contrast to japanese bikes' abrupt reaction to throttle ..
It would be wonderful to compare the lower tier tiger models... not everyone wants to drop the kind of coin needed to get the rally pro. What's the best bang for buck version of the tigers? GT? Rally? The base model and add bits to it... etc...
All these bikes would be great to own. Small differences between them. My second year in the Honda ATAS, a peach if a bike: very long road trips, off road (for a city slicker like me) and cutting through the city. An amazing bike. I am not sure about Triumph bikes though. They look good but can't quite put tons of cash towards one. ATAS all the way.
The ATAS is more expensive than the Triumph.
That was a good comparison. Any chance you can do the other half- Africa Twin AE \ Tiger 900 GT Pro.
For me the most important factor will be how it fits my body and feels when on and off road. The Tiger gets tubeless rims which is worth a decent premium in my mind. Yet here in Australia the Tiger rally pro is almost $3000 AUD more (1600 £, 2100USD, 1900€). Reliability in our hot climate would concern me yet I’d still go with the Tiger if it fitted better and felt better. Both awesome machines and clearly both manufacturers have lifted their game.
Hi bro, thx for mentioning "tubeless"!!! What a difference, I´m T7 rider... so seldom heard in "professional" tests.. regards from europe/austria, Guenther!
Of these two motorcycles I prefer the Honda Africa Twin, it makes a lot of difference in all aspects. Thank you.
My 2017 Tiger was due the 12000 service at a cost of £825,
I decided to ditch the Tiger and put the £825 towards a new Africa Twin.
Omg! How much
@@nicnak7712 in January I paid around 1200£ for 20k service on Triumph Explorer XCa. It's very expensive...
You should buy a wrench (spanner) and a manual
Just wait until Sept-Dec. 2019 are over $4,000 US less. I am going for a 2020 loaded Africa Twin Nov2020!
you will lost a year of your life for saving money? buy a cheaper model and ride all the summer. Its not what you ride but where you go ;)
I was waiting so long for this comparison that I liked it before watching the video xD
Mmm especially offroad it had been nice testing those back to back, on the same terrain. Great bike on sand is not necessarily great on a single track...
I haven't had a ride on either. But I think they are both beautiful and excellent bikes.
I was shopping both of these up until last week. The Honda just edged out the Trumpet. While the 900 triple is a treat to run hard, reliability and dealer network went to the Honda.
If you can, please compare the African twin with 790 adventure, and the tracer 900 to versys 1000. This is the two campering that in the main bikes
Please make it the 790R model, as it is worlds apart from the regular 790. I'm saying this as a bit of a fanboy now, as I got mine two weeks ago. Fortunately there are so many really great bikes to choose from.
@@saladdays180s9 great bikes, price not so much...
Absolutely loved the video style and review. 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice video. I just purchased the PAN AMERICA 1250S, great engine, but no happy with the overall issues the bike is presenting.
Thus I am here for a quick change...I was waiting for the new tiger 1200, but no news yet, so I am inclining for the Africa Twin, which seems to be the right choice, as I do more ON ROAD than anything else.
Cheers
Was this an engine and dash review only? Suspension and handling comparisons pls
Triumph, if the engine is a little powerful (110 - 115 HP) definitely have one choice.
Seems like the Africa twin is only iPhone compatible.. I'm looking at both of these bikes now and love the tiger but actually wondering how road worthy it actually is if not off roading all the time?
You dont just choose bikes solely based on cost. It's got to look right and make you smile. Thats what my 2017 Tiger does to me. I was deciding between Africa and Tiger and is glad I picked the latter one. I m not gonna bash Honda or praise Tiger. Just don't say one is better than another cause you personally like it better. As far as Tiger 900 goes then it looks pretty much like Africa's twin brother now. I m keeping my 800.
It's like The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, when you have "A" you will always want "B". Disclaimer there are exceptions to any rule. It's the spirit that counts, so pick any but ride and if you find a good place do let others know. Cheers
Honda is a better choice.
I was wondering how the tiger 900 gt pro and bmw900 xr fair? I know they are different but would be interested how they compare.
I would be surprised if I wouldn't also like the new Triumph 900 GT Pro with the 19" front wheel better than the more paved road friendly Africa Twin also, so looks like Triumph has a winner here.
Thank You for this review. Iam on the fence between buying one of these bikes. I have a Tiger 800XCA which I love and use in the southwest U.S. but im looking for a bike to use in the Philippines and Southeast Asia. I think both of these bikes are so evenly matched so perhaps it will come down to availability and dealership cost.
I have never ridden an Africa twin but I am confident that the manual transmission is introduced probably because of low sales figures of the DCT. It is said to be fantastic by many motorcycle journalists but at the end of the day, it is another nanny mode for your bike. I am sure it is fun and convenient but so are scooters. I don't see many dudes buying one over a bike.
Africa twin is not a middleweight ADV bike, but i gues neither is the tiger 900 anymore....both in price and cc...
Would you call this a new class then, of light-heavyweight adventure machines? Definitely not mid-weight like a Tenere 700 of the V-Strom 650, but lighter than things like a fully kitted out GS Adventure or a 1290 Super Adventure...
@@visordown, "obese middle weight ADV", perhaps? 😉
@@visordown I guess so...a sub category born out of necessity due to Euro 5 regulations....its a pity though, because i believe that the middleweight adv bikes (tiger 800, ktm 790, tenere 700...) are by far the most capable all terain touring machines...!!!
For most people now these 900+ bikes are part of the heavyweight class ADV machines, especially if you look at the price and weight...!!
Wealthy donut-eating class of ADV? Slightly porky but game for a challenge? pmsl
Definitely a light heavyweight
Ótimo vídeo ,duas belas máquinas ,,abraços do Brasil ....
AWESOME REVIEW AS ALWAYS,....👏👏👏👏👏
WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A KTM 790 ADV vs REST OF THE ADV BIKE COMPARO..
Need to add the BMW900 XR to this mix! Nice high altitude comparison.
Good call!
Best & bwtter for the off road....looks beautiful🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵🇳🇵
tiger 900 gt pro vs africa twin 1100 adventure sports
Does either have nav or cc?
What's with the KTM 790 Adventure vs Tiger 900 Rally Pro?
Can a comparison for Ducati desert sled and triump scrambler 1200 XE. I am very confused between the two. Have my heart on DS but somehow want to try the triumph. Very very confused right now. No video/blog exists on the web that compares these two.
We will try!
which would be a better bike to take from Wisconsin to Alaska with a pillion rider and hard cases?
You can't lose.
I was wondering how the tiger 900got pro and bmw900
I would like to see and hear your opinion on the new KTM 890 Adventure rally. Thanks for the video and take care.
Honda is the best!!!!
MPG figures, hope those are yours and were tested, not pr bs.
great comparison! can you compare the Tiger Rally Pro and KTM 790 Adventure next?
I'd love if you'd compare the KTM 790 Adv R with the new Tiger 900.
I like how India is all about KTMs
why wasn't the tiger 1200 used?
That Africa twin is beautiful
Thansk for the helpful review. I really don't get why anyone would thumbs down this - truly gratuitous idiots.
Matched on spec? Tiger is a quick shifter. Sure there’s the dct version if the Africa Twin buy it’s loads heavier than the tiger.
No help at all lol. Both look great but my loyalty is with Honda so.... not super important but is the Honda made in Japan? And the Triumph, in England? Or are they both Thai bikes?
You were suppose to tell me which one to buy! Now im still as confused as ever. Add to that the new HD PanAm. Whats a guy to do? What kills me is there are none to ride of either type in my area. So i cant even test.
Nice review
I am looking at the 1200 FTR S and the Ducati 950 sp hypermotard
For off-road use? The Triumph Scrambler 1200 xe is a combo of the two in that case, great on and off road.
Nice video. If you can, please compare Tiger 900 with BMW and KTM.
Will try!
Did they add cruise control to the Honda? This is 2020, mechanical throttle locks are cludgy and outdated.
Yes, throttle by wire
Review the new V Strom 1050 plz
Can't believe people are still harping on about the 270° Crank it's harder now to find a bike without one. T700 f850 f900 crf1000l 790r all 270°
Vstrom1050 ?
Looks like the tiger has been reduced too only one headlight working now for dip.
Please would someone review the manual AT? Seems not.
Compare the AT adventure sports to the Tiger 900 GT
Ducati Hypermotard 950 vs KTM Duke 890r please.
Honda anytime
and which one sounds better . . . Honda by a mile!!!
Triumph smaller , lighter, 3 cylinder engine ,and British company. ( I know it is made in Thailand )but still Triumph for me !
Who makes that cammo jacket?
Alpinestars Andes v2
The x adv please
As per power to weight ratio both bikes are same but tiger would be more easy to handle ..
great comparison. Funny how many times that lightness, agility, having to replace street tires with knobbies, and others that all come down to comparing these bikes for mostly off road use. Which means if those things are all so important for picking a great adventure bike, then the ktm 790 obviousily is a far better choice of bike. Honda's marketing of its claim to fame, the AT, is always portrayed in a dirt environment. They themselves clearly making the point that a adventure bike needs to excel in off road above all else. If we use their own standard of rating, the new T7 and 790 beat it senselessly at its own game. Set the rules and you've set yourself up for failure.
Compare MT-09 and BMW F900 R
I would love to see .. that the TRAMONTANA !! Gets in nproduction ! !! Soom!
this is a no brainer. HONDA DOMINATES. rec. and stats all over the world can support my statement
sorry mate. i think that was rubbish. i drove both those back to back last week. and EVEN in a comparison video to the honda you nag about the vibes on the tiger900. sure, compared to the 800. BUT it is silky smooth compared to the almost 2-stroke feel of the africa twin which gets vibey way earlier in the rev range. My impression was that, yes as you say, the honda is really a honda, feels like the last 7 hondas i've owned, although if i lived on the countryside and only took it for shorter rides, id go with the honda, but it is WAY too vibey for long distances, AND the tiger900 started showing vibes around 170kmh! where the honda had vibes right from the start !? don't get me wrong! my last bike was a big twin harley 1745cc, a motorbike is allowed to vibrate. drop the bullshit now. the tiger900 is super smooth. im not brand loyal in any way, never had a triumph. was considering both. till i drove them. the tiger 900 all day every day.
Mike Blomquist I had a British press fleet AT AS for just under a week and did about 1000 all in. It’s was vine free on the motorway. Also, I was comparing the vibes of the T900 against the nonexistent vibes of the T800.
Visordown Motorcycle Videos sure., but why do that comparison again in this vid. For just the tiger900 review, i can see the point although i feel you made it sound way worse than it is. The africa twin vibe free on the motorway? Compared to the tiger? Bugger off. Mate i dont care if you were on a press fleet or whatever. I drove those same bikes, pushed both up to 180kmh on the motorway. The africa twin is closer to my fiances xsr700 in terms of vibes than the tiger 900. If the 800 are a vibe value of 1, i can consent to that the t900 would be a 2. But the the honda would be a 6. (From 1-10).
Honda africa twin viby 😂😂😂 you just a lir
@@winterbreed and what about the 1250gs in terms of vibrations? Where would you put it in the scale from 1 to 10??
Good
AT changed the game when it first came out. Given there are a lot of new changes to this new bike including price, I'm surprised it only amounted to a ho-hum upgrade. The tigers upgrade seems a lot more substantial and I suspect many 800 owners will be tempted to upgrade, where as the AT not so much....
The 2020 AT was an upgrade over the 2019 in almost every regard.
So would you say the Honda A T has a lot less vibration than the Triumph when hitting 75 down the highway ???? I like the compact package of the triumph and its simplistic TFT controls, But my Main riding will ONLY be on dirt roads , back roads and some highway... NO serious single track or trail riding... Been there... Done that.... Now GETTING too old to continue risking it... HAHAHAHAHA
The previous gen was the most unreliable piece of shit I ever had. Rusting frame welding, fuelpump and injector issues not even a month after purchase(2019 jul), and wasn't sorted out till date, had a service for it back in october under warranty, I've been waiting for another service since december. If it is anything like the 2019model, I'de say stay the hell away from it!
Which one, Honda or Triumph?
no word on most important aspect - suspension, dislike ;
indeed, the fully tunable Showa suspension on the Honda is in a different league than the (non adjustable) Marzocchi ones on the Tiger!
@@haveaseatplease Tiger comes with fully adjustable Showa FYI
@@haveaseatplease you've got the wrong bike. The Tiger 900 Rally comes with adjustable showa suspension.
Suspensions a basically the same on both bikes
Stop talking of pcp bloody deals! Debt is no way to own anything - you don't own it! When did this type become acceptable?!
By starting off talking about monthly payments, you lost me. I thought I was going to watch a motorcycle capabilities comparison. If you can't pay cash for a toy like this you might want to rethink your purchase.
Didnt mentioned Apple car play . Honda more Power. Vibration free and most honda reliabity all the way. No match anyway
Tiger 900 vs BMW 850 GS
Why the screen in the africa twin flashing?
Adventure bikes, now light-heavy weights. Do we also have mid-mid size, or heavy mid size. Not cracking on your great vid and review work at all. But OMG, what is with every bike being called an adventure bike? Street tires, 500+lbs, paper air filters that take 1 hr to clean on the dirt road every 3 days of dusty riding? light heavy weights that are equally good on the street and dirt. That is not possible for any bike of this size and weight. Is a ktm 790 know more dirt than street? then where does this leave yamaha t7. More dirt as well, because both these are leaps and bounds more capable than these two beasts. Great bikes, but equally dirt and street. Not even close. Capable off road bikes have nothing to do with 500+lbs, stock street tires and paper filters. Those are street bikes. So, thank you yamaha and ktm for actually building a real adventure bike. We have tons of adventure touring bikes already. Lets have more long distance, backcounrty, gear bikes. Again, good review.
The big adventure bikes are far more capable than you seem to realize or can handle. Some of us have even used them for Enduro racing. You can find plenty of it here on TH-cam. I've done 3000+ miles trips on my long distance set up ktm 500exc and honestly, 99% of the time I wished I had been on one of my bigger bikes. The challenge of overcoming difficult terrain is so much more rewarding on an "adventure bike" than it is on a street legal dirt bike. Bikes of all sizes have their place for the right owner. Sounds like you might want to stick with something a little easier and that's fine too.
Triumph head lights looks like a normal bike had an accident... and is crushed..
Fail design....
Hondas are reliable, Triumphs aren't.
Vinay Kumar In the last 4 years I owned an new 2016 Africa Twin, a used 2015 BMW R1200GSA and a used 2013 Triumph Tiger 1200... Guess which bike was the least reliable, at least for me...
If you guessed the brand new Honda you guessed right... gearbox leaked oil and you could hardly get the bike to start (with this problem the bike was at the dealer twice within the first 3 month!).
The Triumph had problems with the rear shock (well, it’s wasn’t the newest bike of the bunch) and the winner for me is definitely the beemer. Not the slightest issue whatsoever.
Willing to bet you don’t own a Triumph and as a motorcycle dealer for many years, your opinion is nothing but internet bunk.
@@stephenmitchum5864 Wait I'll change my profile pic.
@@stephenmitchum5864 Look at my profile pic Mr Mitchum, you keyboard chump.
@@VinayKumar-db4qz Ok a picture of you on a Triumph LOL I have owned more Triumphs and Hondas then you have sat on or possibly even seen. As a multi line dealer all through the 90' and 2000' you have no idea of what you are talking about. In real life Chump.
Africa twin is the best.
tiger 900 vs Ktm Adv 790
KTM 990 ADV v anything new
How do you open this video with the remarks you make and NOT include the F850GS in neither your remark or more importantly this comparison. Fail.
Mm, don’t Yamaha have a T shaped crank with their MT09 range?
No that has a traditional firing order, youre thinking of the mt07's crossplane crank. Triumph put alot of R&D into the T plane triple.
stick those bananas Mm, On Yamaha’s website. They say it has a crossplane crankshaft on the MT09. I don’t how else you get a cross plane crankshaft from a 3 cylinder engine, other than it being T-shaped? www.yamahamotorsports.com/hyper-naked/models/mt-09
stick those bananas The MT07 will have more of a L shaped cranked seeing it’s got a 270 degree firing order and two pistons only
AT the best