WHY ARE SIMRACERS SO ANGRY ? - [ASSETTO CORSA - TALK AND DRIVE - VR]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video I try to explain why Sim Racers often seem angry and why sim-racing forums and comment sections are often so delightful !
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A N G E R Y
Jimmy Broadbent HOW DARE THEY USE F1 2017! YOU MUST USE IRACING OR ITS A JOKE! ITS A JOKE! KIDDIES GAME! IM SUPER OFFENDED THEY USED A GAME OTHER THAN MY FAVORITE!
Don’t you mean angry xD
@@theavpman4834 no
Jimmer! ❤️
Iracing seems to have a fun community however I just race vs the AI 1: Because I am not that great and 2: I am not that great haha, racing the AI is making me better though
Probably u just have a healthy rl routine like go out make friends, meet girls etc.
sim racers think they are auto racing and not playing video game :D
it's just like every other big Argument on the Internet:
People just take things way too seriously
and i mean, really over the Top seriously
if i write here, that i play Project Cars on PS4 with a Controller, and i'm fine with it, i will wind up at least someone. just by saying that.
even though i never intended to offend somebody.
TheKincognito How tf can you drive with a controller ?
Masiwo
well you gotta set it up correctly, the "out of the Box" - Setup is terrible
it was a joke on how you said you're gonna upset someone
Well the tiremodel of Mario Kart is obviously the best, it simply can't get any more realistic than that
Its the most realistic super Mario world racing simulator , mind you in that world eating mushrooms makes you twice as tall and jumping down random pipes is perfectly normal.
You are an idiot and totally wrong. (Sorry just needed to add this. I'm not really angry) :D
kevyn kollom Not sure if i can take your comment serious or not.
No... Skunny Kart is 10 times better, mate. You're talking out of your... you know what. :p hahaha
I'm sure you are also the type of guy calling Trackmania an arcade game, Skunny Kart doesn't even have realisitic puddle-physics. So don't even dare to talk about MK
I love all racing games, sims and arcade. :-)
**troll face**
viperconcept lol
I think Shaun from The SimPit beats you on the least amount of hair sim channel I am afraid
I'm catching him !
It will make you faster, nice to see someone finally taking sim racing seriously
yeah you are, losing it on the top of the head as well
You do ramble on a bit don't you? XD
Why take 5 mins getting the point across, when 20 will do?
I'm just practising sim racing talking points that I can use on women to woo them to my home.
The sim racers that i most respect are the ones with the best equipment, dd wheel, motion simulator cockpits etc as they are the elite! I look up to them from the rim of my puny g29 with genuine awe.
People is angry in all areas. Apple vs Samsungs, Playstation vs X-Box vs PC, Republicans vs Democrats...
rafaelnubile well apple is a scam now, PC is best OBVIOUSLY, and it is money v feelings so idk why people choose feelings ✌️
MrJr PC is money
A lot of good points in this video. That said, my sim is bettter than yours, jk ;D
Not as many good points as 6's in your name though :'(
he must be some satanist dude
"You're a fucking idiot and you're wrong"
Oh.. except.. well.. you're right.
I also think that a lot of sim racers come from a background of playing racing games with their mates and thinking their the fastest thing since Schumacher, and then they jump into a sim and realise that every dog and their grandma is faster than them, and that makes them REALLY ANGRY.
the most annying thing i've noticed, and im very new to this, is that people seem to compare games vs games and get into arguments about which game is the most "realistic" and which ones arent even "simulators".
What people need to do is to compare each game to drive a real car on a real track with the same setup and conditions as in the game and only then can you compare.... Which pretty much nobody is able to. And even then like you said it depends on what wheel/pedals you're using in the sim aswell as how the force feedback is set up.
TLDR; the whole fighting about which game is a Sim and which games is a Simcade is really stupid since pretty much no-one can make a valid comparisson between game and reallity.
Alex Berthgen telemetry*
I know people that have directly compared real cars to sims , they still disagree LOL
"WHY ARE SIMRACERS SO ANGRY"
Because what is needed to make the perfect sim is there, but dispatched across many sims/games :/
Physics from asseto corsa,
ffb + tyre model from rfactor 2,
Graphics, weather/time dynamics from Project cars 2,
Sounds from raceroom,
Competition and community element from iRacing.
Purely my opinion and only based off of what ive actually played but it would be amazing.
Just like why humans are so angry. Regardless what topic, if there are different opinions, their will be angry conversations about them.
We are angry?
When you play Dirt 4 yes
I just stole your sim-rig so you should be.
Dirt 4 is not that bad , its just annoying following on from dirt rally all they needed to do was more tracks + rip off RBR and it would have been 100x better in my opinion. VR would have also helped given how good that was in DR as well.
GamerMuscleVideos But Dirt4 was never meant to have the same realism as Dirt Rally? Thats why callsigns hate against D4 is mostly irrational. Its like the difference between Forza Horizon and Forza Motorsport. Also fuck the people that complain about every sim that is not iRacing.
That's not an issue regarding simracing, but rather mismanagement from codemasters regarding of what the physics are and what the game is going to be in terms of content.
Not very different from ME: Andromeda in that regard.
>spend 25min in quali for a good position
>race starts and you get knocked out in turn 1 by some fucking donger
>"why are you so angry?"
The punishment for taking part lol
hahaha
I don't think it is just sim racers who are angry, I think general gaming forums and website are full of angry people(you could say gamers in general are angry).
EVERYONE IS SO ANGRY lol
There needs to be a contest for the angriest person in gaming, would be damn entertaining.
I agree with you on this point. I bought a promising early access game that later went free to play not much later and it just became so toxic that just stopped playing the game. The anger really came out inside the community when the developers denied everything that others had proof of the cheating and other wrongdoings from other people who just wanted to play their game. What happened later is everyone left the game. The forums got so stupid their public relations suffered so bad that their publisher just pulled their plug. I am glad that racing sims have some issues but it's a fair game win or lose.
Because Project Cars 2 offers a simulation of a professional racing driver career, whereas their precious rFactor 2, iRacing, Automobilista, AC and R3E do not.
Regarding the ffb you also have to realize that cars in real life dont always provide a great amount of ffb. So a numb ffb might be realistic * mind blown *
Real world does however give you full body FFB so even if you are driving a skate board you can feel whats going on lol.
Up yours! Don't tell me how to feel or convey my thoughts! geneRally obviously has the best tyre model and physics of all time.
good video as always, love a sim racing "rant", I think money is another factor, if you have financially invested in something that is rather expensive anway + hundreds of hours you would be more passionate and more likely to have internet arguments with other random people who have spent a lot of money on pretend driving, me as a budget sim racer (g920,playseat challenge, budget PC) ive still invested about £1k in this hoppy so damn right I'm going to argue with someone online about it!
I'm so jealous of pc sim racers. They have so much more content at their fingertips and I'll be saving up for a pc this year.
I think this video deals with a generic internet/gaming issue.
Good point re being ultracritical towards you own driving, which (attitude) comes across in various discussions.
I really enjoyed your video. You put in many good points on sim racing the sim racing community.
Tennis analogy 😂😂
GM videos as Enhanced Interrogation. It could work.
Saved the world.
It's not that they would torture the prisoners being interrogated from being irritated by this video in general, it would be due to the fact the he's making sense and that triggers them.
As a teacher, thanks for shout out. If I wasn't a teacher maybe I could probably afford a DD wheel and top line pedals!
+Ray Huang teach people simracing and you get lent a DD wheel. Worked for me ! Mind you if you teach kids you are actually doing something of value to humanity where as teaching simracing you are basically making the world worse.
I used to argue about racing games. I've discovered that arguing about politics is far more rewarding, satisfying and fun.
Im not a sim racer though anyway. I love driving games, but i also love other types of video games.
Maybe an expert can answer this. I Don't know why this is but although i think Assetto Corsa is more realistic and has much more going on with the tyre model, i sometimes feel that Project cars actually feels more instantly natural and reminiscent of real world driving. I feel this more with the street cars, specially at lower speeds. But i do still feel that at high speeds Assetto Corsas tyre model is far more detailed and realistic.
My wife wouldn't be interested in racing games, but i could bet money that if i stuck her on Project cars she would be able to relate it to real driving and very quickly start to get a car round the track okay. But if i stuck her on Assetto Corsa i think it would take her some hours before she could comfortably get one of the cars round a track.
4:42 to 4:46 LOL!!!!
Burnout skills ! Even pure arcade games have a roll to play in sim-racing :)
LOL wtf was that?
Please give up the day job - stand up calls! Cheers for the vids! Always entertaining. BTW simcade, way too much grip. Grrr! :)
Caught on film @ 7:23. Sim racers pocket billiards. Sorry GM. Oculus staff would be shocked with how many times I adjust myself.
I love the sim vs arcade debate. Typically they are argued by people who have never driven a car at speed, let alone on a track. I say like what you like and leave it at that.
Great video btw, never thought about how many people percieve the same sim in a different way simply because of their hardware
I'm still playing the original rFactor (Yeah, it's outdated, but mods make it much better)
My only problem with the sim racing community is that no one talks about my favourite sim. Its always Assetto Corsa and Iracing. I actually used to hate Assetto until I bought it the other day and gave it a fair shake. But that doesn't change the fact no one cares about R3E. I try to start a conversation about the game and people either haven't played it in 2 years or think its iracing. Hopefully one day R3E will get its chance in the sun.
I give it a chance every other week... I think the DTM cars and 90's DTM cars feel & sound great. But there is still something off with the FFB (especially when going into drifts). Never really got comfortable with it - including major changes the last 12 months. Mostly stick to AC and Pcars 2, both have a very good mix of complex physics (especially tyre physics) and rich detailed FFB.
are there even people playing R3E online?
Sjon Hompiestompie Yep. I can get into plenty of games during the day. I live in the United States so I have to play before 8pm. The only problem with online are the leavers. But that'll be fixed with ranked.
You can see it happening from miles away @ 4:41!
TAKE DOWN
Road America Bois at the start be like:
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Thanks for all the Subs recently as well as the fun comments, it all helps keep me from jumping off the cliffs of Dover as its really nice having people enjoy the content I put out.
I still say Test Drive on the Commodore 64 had the physics, you guys are all just a bunch of noobs for disagreeing.
You don't have a clue Test Drive is all about the graphics not pure simulation like this - th-cam.com/video/51b9WEdKE08/w-d-xo.html
I actually liked your video/explanation. Have a reply :)
I know you wont read this but some aliens drive with a g27 and ffb turned off???
Jon A some drive with t150 and in the past some alains drive with a mouse or gamepad in LFS and other sims.
Deranged Monkey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TEACHERS ARE AWSOME he said, spelling Awesome wrong lol
IT was a clever joke , Not accidental dyslexia in the slightest.
Fair enough, love the channel :)
I think that PCars is the most near to life racing simulator around, broken cars aside lol.
I think they have a great foundation with their physics engine and even just the look of the game and the way they model their cars just looks the most authentic compared to others. I think that if SMS was as big as like Turn10, for example, and had as much money and same goal they would have something amazing. Hopefully PCars2 will be the nice improvement it needs and also the next iteration after.
Keep drinking the coolaid..
Project Cars IS the ultimate driving sim. People [TN] Strikeman are just moronic fanboys.
More coolaid for you then sir?!
[TN] Strikeman From what I’ve driven, PC 2 is the most realistic looking. GTS looks like a movie not “real life” and AC generally looks like garbage. I always use the “realistic” setting on PC 2 where it’ll give me traction control on the cars that should have it. I just bought all the AC dlc so I’ll give it a better test than just 30 mins (an actual nightmare when trying to use a game pad)
[TN] Strikeman is a loser, through and through. There is not a modicum of intelligence in his statements.
Forgot to mention how half of the people playing these sims probably can't drive in real life, and then the vast majority of the other half is driving their grandma's Buick LeSabre, have never driven at speed on a race track before, and 99.9% have not driven a 1970s era Lotus F1 car on Watkins Glen for example.. so they have no idea what it should feel like. None of this stuff is realistic per say. People should find what they like playing and stfu lol If you actually want to take racing seriously, go hit up some HPDE events.
Old gaming coms like UT and Quake World....those guys(me inclded) are very polite and not at all imature, even thou we have been gaming competetive since the stonage. *sarcasm*
;)
Simracing just need to grow up!^^
Useless facts:
Fart=swedish word for speed..now that is proper fun!
Simracing? No, sir. It's Simraging.
Oh, and by the way, we also need to discuss why Simragers rage on game developers as well, and how some developers like to rage back! :)
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great channel i always enjoy your vids... its about time i sub.
Its ok I'll use a marker pen to paint hair back on the head
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I like the tyremodel of this commentator in this video, it's probably better than IRacing sounds alltogether.
Expanding wealth gap-lol-god forbid you should blame the teaching
haha, love the part about your heaven with everyone having their own direct drive wheels and having 1to1 simulation. Reminded me of watching the first Fast and Furious when they're praying and saying thanks for all the car stuff. Good vid like always bud and very spot on. One thing I would add is that people don't seem to be able to detect sarcasm on the internet. I have seen quite a few reddit posts where someone was clearly using sarcasm or satire and it just started a huge rage inducing mass of broken keyboards and angry capslock runon SENTENCES LIKE THIS ONE WITH ABSOLUTELY NO PUNCHUATION AND TUNS OF MISSPELLIKNGSSS!!!ONEONEONE!!!
Liked.
You make a lot of good points. Of particular interest to me is how you pointed out that, if you're dialed into one sim and then switch to another you are/were also dialed into - without changing hardware - the subtle differences in physics and tyre behavior modelling will become apparent. Depending on what two sims you're switching between of course. So...
What does everything, with experience switching between AC and iRacing, think? Not a good idea? I just got AC and was thinking of renewing my iRacing membership to race with it as well. Maybe I shouldn't though. As it is I struggle to be a mid-pack racer.
Thoughts?
Recently sort of an opposite situation happened to me for the very first time: I was playing DiRT4 (and mostly sucking at it), then I went off and played Assetto Corsa for a couple of hours (I first started playing both sims sort of around the same time). When I came back to DiRT4 after that, suddenly I was racing a lot better. I know they're very different sims and they focus on completely different aspects, but somehow some inner part of the driving experience stuck out, and I genuinely learned something from that whole experience. I was really awestruck by that...
Every racing game has a learning curve, that curve is based on how the Dev studio wants their "game" to be played. Wheel and controller setting can make or break your personal experience. That doesn't make them bad games though, contrary to popular opinion. Even a controller setup can make two games feel completely different . Pcars for example is unplayable with the default setting for controller and wheel, in my opinion. And then factor in the car you are trying to race with. Default setups in Pcars are trash on anything you drive. Small tweaks can however transform that experience into one of pure joy. This goes for Assetto Corsa Rfactor 1/2 and even Iracing. The fact is people expect it to just run to their standards out of the box all to often. Many of us know others who play more than one sim and have figured this out and can adapt, others don't. My first actual sim racing game was Rfactor and my second wheel was for RFactor. My first was That stupid 360 game with Kudos for currency, sorry can't think of the name atm. That experience almost ruined me from ever trying another wheel. I'm sure similar experiences happen to others in similar ways. We spend ALOT of money on this hobby and when we don't get what we feel is our moneys worth we get angry for buying into another crap game. Some just walk away and never look back while others feel they must vent, while the rest of us are determine to make it work. Instant gratification is what I feel the real issue is here. People want everything to be what they think it should be rather than what it actually is and will refuse to make any effort or spend any time to get or make it better.
I liked Agassi's hair back in the 90's. Good video but I would have to say most gamers are angry now regardless of what genre they play in. Could anyone recommend a good racing wheel for either Xbox or PC. I can't decide between Fanatec, Thrustmaster, or Logitech. I like the look of Thrustmaster's newly announced wheel but have concerns with their quality and support. Logitech seems to be the cheapest price and Fanatec seems to be the most expensive of the three. Thanks.
They are not angry, they are passionate about their hobby. They are also(maybe not experts), but well above your average gamer in terms of knowledge&experience about their hobby. All that and you are going to get some pretty strong opinions thrown around, especially on the internet. (essentially it's a variation on the PCMasterRace vs ConsoleNoobs war)
Where some genuine grievance might come into play is from despite being part of the group most dedicated and invested in this activity, the general market generally caters to other groups first before them. My 2.4 cents.
You make a lot of good points, and some funny ones too! Same things happen in the music industry (croud). Everyone has got their fav instrument, and all the others suck! It all boils down to people craving for notoriety and distinction. Ther can't get it in real life, so they try to get it on-line because if you can type a message or blog on-line, then obviously you have an automatic audience.
Ive been seeking realism for 10+ years. Arguing, pulling hair and sleepless nights.
Ive finally got it. By doing real racing with real cars.
At least im not arguing abt how my steering wheel shud feel. And hey....real steering wheels is waaaaayyyyy cheaper than simracing wheel hahahahaha
more money involved....yes. But its real.
Times have changed, lots of people are angry about lots of things; politics, social issues, science, religion, sport, entertainment (including gaming) and many more.....gone are the good old days when people actually tried to be reasonable. The return to tribalism is upon us.
Celebrate diversity! I keep hearing about this thing all the time, maybe sim racing community could learn from it.
All games are great, pick the one that feels the best and play it. Don't be a bigot.
It would be pretty dull if you could only play rfactor and nothing else.
Great vid! Very well thought out and spoken. So maybe someone can answer me this. Why is it there are so many complaints in terms of WHY PC users demean and give so much bs to console users like they're SO much better than non PC players?
Road America? Great topic by the way ! Can i ask you what setting you're using with the rift. Can't seem to find the best setting with my 1070 ((SuperSampling used?))
When you mention the differences between sims, using a grass court tennis analogy... I would have said it's more like owning a real performance car in real life and learning it's characteristics inside out on the track to get your best lap times, then one day, all the laws of physics change ever so slightly...
my biggest issue with all of sim racing is i can't stand 90% of ffb implementations. i can't get the feel of a car drifting with it doing effects with the steering wheel, put some vibration motors on pedals and make it the standard way feedback is handled. i have a better clue of what a car is doing with an xbox controller then with a wheel...
If every sim had voice support it would make things SO much better. Or if Steam's voice support didn't suck and more games supported it blah blah blah .. yada yada yada ...
They way to win any realism argument is to say "BeamNG.drive".
BeamNG is not precise enough to bicker about minuscule differences in weight and tire pressure but it is also all encompassing in its weight and tire physics.
i have been on real tracks and racers are just competitive its not ornery just amped up. sim racers are just loyal to their fav one. i like corsa its not the best but it has physics that work. and it allows hooning . project cars and race room are linear as the official is in your ear every time you fart.
Sim are sims and we should appreciate them, I agree on that. What makes me totally fkn explode is people trying to win races in the 1st corner, especially league racing or IRacing
A well constructed and logical argument, that brings into play all facets of sim-racing, online play and forum behaviour, but - which one is the best?
The problem comes that you can never have an objective simulator, it is as subjective as real life is to all of us...... that and some people naturally have an overactive whinge gland
@10:46 They simulate reality and try to give you the closest approximation.
@12:33 Adhominems aren't just name calling, derp. ;)
I just want to say that I'm the most real simracer you will find and while your level of realism is high enough that I can accept you are a realistic simracer, I don't think you are as real as me. 11:30
The tire model of Breasts is the most realistic by far, and whoever incorporates them into a SIM Rig will be a multi-millionaire many times over.
I think your affinity was spot on. So the Sims are called Sims but we all know one or two are much better than most and them a handful are even less realistic and still called a Sim.
I' not the bis sim driver, but I also realised the problem with the diffrent physics. Great Video, you explained it really well
i find most game forums regardless of genre to be a place of hate, i tend to stay away from them now as it tends to ruin the game for me, eventually all that negativity sinks in.
You're describing any and all online forums where the people don'y interact any other way except pseudo-anonymously online.
this video just seems like a bunch of rambling
sim racers spend more money on products related to pretend race cars
therefore theyre more invested in the pretend race cars
that is all there is to it
It's the Internet. If you think the sim racing community is bad you should try UK based fishing forums.
Isn't this track is cuted from fm6? I mean this road america, the colors, trees etc. really similar to the forza version
True, half of the time there's only swearing. Basically, it's because everybody wants to win.
I'm going out and deliberately starting an argument in the forums so i can become a proper sim racer lol 11:20
Road America? Not one to add mods, but this looks pretty good. What's it like? And where do I get it.
You're not just describing the sim racing community. You are describing all of humanity.
"and maybe start a tire model argument in the comments section" -Gamer Muscle 2017
LOL at the crash in your rearview camera @4:46. What the fuck happened there?
This is great torture and Need For Speed 2015 has the most realistic physics
Im angry because i dont know which version Road America your using!
They are just frustrated that they don't have the money to go racing. Like I am
For a sec I thought it was a video from 2023 according to the title
Most of them are frustrated because they dont understand that my sim is better than there,s 😛
funny as f**k, sounds pretty much on point to this angry sim racer lol
Like beeing at the border at israel hahaha almost spat out my tea there for a moment .
Basically because they don't want new annoying people in the way and thats it
First
Said Mikey B 10 seconds into his romantic session. ;)
Hilarious reviews looool could definitely go for a pint with this fella
@13:42 ... or you can be a realist and reject the cult of positivity.
Ok, where can I get Road America for AC? I need this track!
hey i want more torture lol, liked the video and subscribed :)