Most engine fails are not total, but partial. I used to teach partial before total. Partial power (at 50%) while turning to every leg of the traffic pattern. And turning final too..
Careful with long idles in cold weather. You can use "Simulated Idle". With 10 flaps and some power to replicate the 600fpm descend. I also used to lean the mixture a bit, just like we did on the taxiway when cold.
I started flying in the early 80s.. I was based out of Deer Valley and Falcon field.. Flight training is an absolute blast .. Dead stick landings were frequent and unannounced..In the pattern? yea right.. could not even see the airport, just lots of desert. After a few dozen? engine? who needs one.. got really proficient and finding my spots and setting it down.. Gotta thank Bob Davies for such great training...
Great video! My 2 "engine out" episodes were at Baldwin. A lovely short grass strip with barricades at each end. With a load of jumpers in Skylane 18X at 11K I pulled back power for the jump run only to have the throttle control dangling in my hand, still at full power. Jumpers all exited clean with a nose high attitude. My solution was to leave mags on and leaned the mixture. This left the prop at 2200rpm so as to not shock cool the engine. A conservative final with a slip over the RR tracks and all was well. Second event was in the Beav. On the climb it began to shake and shudder due to the cowl breaking mostly free. Dumped the jumpers and throttled back, enough to keep the cowl pushed back and away from the prop. A conservative final over the RR tracks (again). A little high so I decided to slip it down but that wide wing and big square fuselage made the slip hard to hold. Rolled to an easy dead stop at the far end of the strip. Mechanical failures, plan ahead. Epiloge: Skylane 18X was later sold to a local club. I was in the club's 206 when a nervous radio call went out by the new jump pilot that his throttle control had pulled out of the panel and he was at full power. Fortunately I coached him through my experience and he landed safely. The 182 he was flying? Skylane 18X.
Dang, 2 dead stick landing at Baldwin. That's impressive. I've always been nervous about doing that. If you set up wrong and come up short or long you're in deep s*#%t!
Good video. Practice to get over fear of doing that last 360 at about 1000 AGL to get where you want to be for a good landing position. Nice demonstration of using slip to loose excess altitude prior to landing.
I have had 6 off field dead stick landings over the years.... never bent the plane or pilot. Flying ultralights it can be argued they are less reliable than your Skylane but they also land much slower and are much more draggy. I am retired and fly a lot at less than $10 per hour! I got HIGH 21 times in December (open cabin - flying lawn chair). Winter flying is so fun up high in Wyoming winter. Low density altitude and double normal climb rates. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PRACTICE DEAD STICK LANDINGS TO KNOW YOUR PERFORMANCE AND MANAGE YOUR ENERGY!!! Thank you Kerry for this really great video....
Fly close to the stall speed to get the cyl heads cooler, then kill the engine , lo airspeed to get the prop to stop, nose down immediately to prevent a stall/spin. Dont shock cool the engine. Finess the bird in. As Kerry said, ENERGY MANAGEMENT and also as that old dawg Hoover said, its all about energy management. I've done many dead stickers in my Cessna with a dead engine and a dead prop.
Kerry, I’m enjoying your TH-cam videos (and your books). I get disappointed that no-one seems to acknowledge the effect of coarse pitch on the glide angle. IMHO an appreciation of this effect might very well have saved Richard McSpadden’s life. I was fortunate to have this demonstrated to me years ago by an “old time” instructor.
You are correct, I play with the effects of going to coarse pitch at idle all the time when I'm flying jumpers in my 182. I'll often set up for landing at idle power and pull the propeller control knob out just short of the runway. It's amazing how much of a glide boost you get!
What I used to do that always came out perfectly (in smooth wind) is at abeam thresh letting through the mid wing the runway is cut the power establish 70 know descent, count to 10 and then start that turn. Works like a charm. Don't know if it was a good idea to stand right on the path of the plane inb the snow though, but that's your life)
I loved this. What a great video, thankyou so much. It doesn't take many circuits to perfect a technique that could save your life. Mike Patey in Turbulence comes to mind. The same method applies to an off airport emergency landing ( using Aviate, Navigate, Communicate) - Aviate: Select attitude for best glide, hold it there then set trim to maintain for the entire descent phase, turn immediately into the wind, (Navigate) choose landing area just forward or under you or to either side if you don't have much altitude, attempt fault finding and restart engine if time, briefly Communinicate your emergency (radio call, ELT etc) maneuver for 1000ft AGL over the landing area ('high key') while flying into the wind, then fly a 360. The circle can be broken into two halves with 500 ft being opposite (half way around the circle - 'Low key' facing downwind) then the last half circle being base final using a slip or turning slip if too high or fast.
@@KerryDMcCauley Yep a 180 really only has about 150 hp because 180hp is determined on an engine test stand basically without exhaust (straight pipes) Power flow exhaust puts back 14HP. The engine is designed to handle 180hp so no worries there. It lowers your head temps by getting the heat out which is seen in an increased EGT where heat can't hurt anything. Equates to longer engine life, more power, and better fuel economy too. The only downside is that it needs to be checked/serviced about every 150 hours. That's within most people's annual but business-based aircraft may have an issue with that, I wouldn't! Have you ever heard of a company called "Knots 2U" they have aerodynamic mods to clean up your craft. Cheers Robert
Hi Kerry, greets from Germany, love your vids. Question: Touch downs look pretty much 3 point td without much nose up. Is this on purpose or because of camera angle? Me, CPL pilot always gets in trouble on check rides on C172 with my CFI for not having nose up a lot. Whats your opinion? Keep up the vids!
Would there be much difference in handling and glide distance if the engine was off vs at idle? I never got to ask my father who was a private pilot in the 50s, 60s and 70s flying out of Linden and Somerset NJ.
What was the bank angle in these attempts? Also, why do the spirals on top of the numbers? Isn't it better to do it over a point on the downwind abeam the numbers so that you can see the numbers at all times?
Usually around 20-30 degrees. I like to keep the turns in close so you can always make the runway. Plus, it gives you a known starting point of reference. If you start it abeam, how far out are you? 500 feet? 700? 2000? If you're just guessing on your set up it will be different every time. My main point is to have 2 known starting points that are as constant as possible. That gives you the same outcome every time.
@@KerryDMcCauleyI think this is a great approach, much better than the high key/low key stuff they teach you. I don't practice it enough, honestly I don't feel comfortable doing it at an uncontrolled field, and at a towered field they won't let me, too busy. I guess I'll have to find a field so remote that I'm alone all the time...
Dead stick and power off landings are great things to practice, but I don't like doing deadstick simulations in cold weather, the possibility of "cold shocking" the engine and cracking a cylinder are much higher in cold wx ops.
@@KerryDMcCauley I’ve got the 3 blade ‘401 prop. I’ll have to go try this dead stick practice with it. Love the on-the-ground video shot down the runway too
Damn kid's a stick hog! He needs the practice, me, not so much. Check out this video of me flying in Namibia last spring.th-cam.com/video/T7M7RC2RB3M/w-d-xo.html
Most engine fails are not total, but partial. I used to teach partial before total. Partial power (at 50%) while turning to every leg of the traffic pattern. And turning final too..
Careful with long idles in cold weather. You can use "Simulated Idle". With 10 flaps and some power to replicate the 600fpm descend. I also used to lean the mixture a bit, just like we did on the taxiway when cold.
I started flying in the early 80s.. I was based out of Deer Valley and Falcon field.. Flight training is an absolute blast .. Dead stick landings were frequent and unannounced..In the pattern? yea right.. could not even see the airport, just lots of desert.
After a few dozen? engine? who needs one.. got really proficient and finding my spots and setting it down.. Gotta thank Bob Davies for such great training...
P.S. I've never seen anyone duck under a Skylane's wing on a landing roll to give us footage. True dedication.
Nice video guys! These skills are overlooked too often in aviation. The best way to increase your comfort level is to train outside of it. Keep it up!
Great video! My 2 "engine out" episodes were at Baldwin. A lovely short grass strip with barricades at each end. With a load of jumpers in Skylane 18X at 11K I pulled back power for the jump run only to have the throttle control dangling in my hand, still at full power. Jumpers all exited clean with a nose high attitude. My solution was to leave mags on and leaned the mixture. This left the prop at 2200rpm so as to not shock cool the engine. A conservative final with a slip over the RR tracks and all was well. Second event was in the Beav. On the climb it began to shake and shudder due to the cowl breaking mostly free. Dumped the jumpers and throttled back, enough to keep the cowl pushed back and away from the prop. A conservative final over the RR tracks (again). A little high so I decided to slip it down but that wide wing and big square fuselage made the slip hard to hold. Rolled to an easy dead stop at the far end of the strip. Mechanical failures, plan ahead. Epiloge: Skylane 18X was later sold to a local club. I was in the club's 206 when a nervous radio call went out by the new jump pilot that his throttle control had pulled out of the panel and he was at full power. Fortunately I coached him through my experience and he landed safely. The 182 he was flying? Skylane 18X.
Dang, 2 dead stick landing at Baldwin. That's impressive. I've always been nervous about doing that. If you set up wrong and come up short or long you're in deep s*#%t!
Good video. Practice to get over fear of doing that last 360 at about 1000 AGL to get where you want to be for a good landing position. Nice demonstration of using slip to loose excess altitude prior to landing.
Not enough pilots do this! Great video! Thank you both for taking the time to share will us all!
Train for the bad days, not the good ones.
I have had 6 off field dead stick landings over the years.... never bent the plane or pilot. Flying ultralights it can be argued they are less reliable than your Skylane but they also land much slower and are much more draggy. I am retired and fly a lot at less than $10 per hour! I got HIGH 21 times in December (open cabin - flying lawn chair). Winter flying is so fun up high in Wyoming winter. Low density altitude and double normal climb rates. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO PRACTICE DEAD STICK LANDINGS TO KNOW YOUR PERFORMANCE AND MANAGE YOUR ENERGY!!! Thank you Kerry for this really great video....
DAmmmm. BRRRRRR..
I love this. Well done! Great demo, and every private pilot needs to practice this.
Fly close to the stall speed to get the cyl heads cooler, then kill the engine , lo airspeed to get the prop to stop, nose down immediately to prevent a stall/spin.
Dont shock cool the engine.
Finess the bird in.
As Kerry said, ENERGY MANAGEMENT and also as that old dawg Hoover said, its all about energy management.
I've done many dead stickers in my Cessna with a dead engine and a dead prop.
Kerry, I’m enjoying your TH-cam videos (and your books). I get disappointed that no-one seems to acknowledge the effect of coarse pitch on the glide angle. IMHO an appreciation of this effect might very well have saved Richard McSpadden’s life. I was fortunate to have this demonstrated to me years ago by an “old time” instructor.
You are correct, I play with the effects of going to coarse pitch at idle all the time when I'm flying jumpers in my 182. I'll often set up for landing at idle power and pull the propeller control knob out just short of the runway. It's amazing how much of a glide boost you get!
Love your videos Kerry , keep them coming, congrats!!!
Thank you! Will do!
What I used to do that always came out perfectly (in smooth wind) is at abeam thresh letting through the mid wing the runway is cut the power establish 70 know descent, count to 10 and then start that turn. Works like a charm. Don't know if it was a good idea to stand right on the path of the plane inb the snow though, but that's your life)
I loved this. What a great video, thankyou so much. It doesn't take many circuits to perfect a technique that could save your life. Mike Patey in Turbulence comes to mind. The same method applies to an off airport emergency landing ( using Aviate, Navigate, Communicate) - Aviate: Select attitude for best glide, hold it there then set trim to maintain for the entire descent phase, turn immediately into the wind, (Navigate) choose landing area just forward or under you or to either side if you don't have much altitude, attempt fault finding and restart engine if time, briefly Communinicate your emergency (radio call, ELT etc) maneuver for 1000ft AGL over the landing area ('high key') while flying into the wind, then fly a 360. The circle can be broken into two halves with 500 ft being opposite (half way around the circle - 'Low key' facing downwind) then the last half circle being base final using a slip or turning slip if too high or fast.
Altitude is your friend and that’s what I was told on my first lesson
Got that right!
I really enjoyed your feedback and your time flying with your son is really nice
Love to fly this 182 on a few jump runs Kelly
Great video, keep them coming!
Thanks, will do!
Power flow Exhaust... What's your take on it?
Super Awesome video BTW!
Never heard of it until your comment. I just looked it up and am intrigued. If a tuned exhaust really increases engine performance I'm all for it!
@@KerryDMcCauley Yep a 180 really only has about 150 hp because 180hp is determined on an engine test stand basically without exhaust (straight pipes) Power flow exhaust puts back 14HP. The engine is designed to handle 180hp so no worries there. It lowers your head temps by getting the heat out which is seen in an increased EGT where heat can't hurt anything. Equates to longer engine life, more power, and better fuel economy too. The only downside is that it needs to be checked/serviced about every 150 hours. That's within most people's annual but business-based aircraft may have an issue with that, I wouldn't! Have you ever heard of a company called "Knots 2U" they have aerodynamic mods to clean up your craft.
Cheers Robert
Holy shit - I first saw that damn smoke column ! What the - OK. Nice job big buddy ! Gosh -
Hi Kerry, greets from Germany, love your vids. Question: Touch downs look pretty much 3 point td without much nose up. Is this on purpose or because of camera angle? Me, CPL pilot always gets in trouble on check rides on C172 with my CFI for not having nose up a lot. Whats your opinion? Keep up the vids!
No, Connor needs to work on that! I like the nose up too.
Would there be much difference in handling and glide distance if the engine was off vs at idle? I never got to ask my father who was a private pilot in the 50s, 60s and 70s flying out of Linden and Somerset NJ.
Thye come down a little faster with the engine off.
Another very good instructional video, Kerry! Nice work by both but of course especially to Connor. 👍
How long has he been flying?
Thank you!
He started flying with me as a toddler but only got his PPL in 2022.
My son started at 17. He’s 29 now and flies for UAL.
What’s the general bank angle on those 360s?
Usually around 20-30 degrees. With a starting altitude of around 1000 AGL it's a nice smooth 360.
What was the bank angle in these attempts?
Also, why do the spirals on top of the numbers? Isn't it better to do it over a point on the downwind abeam the numbers so that you can see the numbers at all times?
Usually around 20-30 degrees. I like to keep the turns in close so you can always make the runway. Plus, it gives you a known starting point of reference. If you start it abeam, how far out are you? 500 feet? 700? 2000? If you're just guessing on your set up it will be different every time. My main point is to have 2 known starting points that are as constant as possible. That gives you the same outcome every time.
@@KerryDMcCauleyI think this is a great approach, much better than the high key/low key stuff they teach you. I don't practice it enough, honestly I don't feel comfortable doing it at an uncontrolled field, and at a towered field they won't let me, too busy. I guess I'll have to find a field so remote that I'm alone all the time...
Dead stick and power off landings are great things to practice, but I don't like doing deadstick simulations in cold weather, the possibility of "cold shocking" the engine and cracking a cylinder are much higher in cold wx ops.
I was wondering about engine condition - = $
Cool 182
There’s always one.
Love the pponk!
Heck yeah! Thing just leaps off the ground in cold weather!
@@KerryDMcCauley I’ve got the 3 blade ‘401 prop. I’ll have to go try this dead stick practice with it. Love the on-the-ground video shot down the runway too
👍✅
I never see you fly, just your son.
Damn kid's a stick hog! He needs the practice, me, not so much. Check out this video of me flying in Namibia last spring.th-cam.com/video/T7M7RC2RB3M/w-d-xo.html