Caller Wants To Debate Israel's Genocide
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"Bloodthirsty pedantry disguised as nuance"
The more you read that, the more profound it gets as it relates to the MSM coverage of Isreal's genocide in Gaza
Absolutely. That one sentence gives me like 10 different emotions.
Yes, she nailed it. The perfect description of just about all Western media on Gaza.
That quote really stood out to me too
real
r/worldnews in a nutshell (also Destiny in a nutshell)
It’s so incomprehensible to me the idea of being so racist that you think babies are terrorists that deserve to die
They clearly should of choose to be born a child of light and not darkness. This isn't even a joke if you understand the reference.
That's exactly how they justified it in the Old Testament of their holy Bible. The Creator of the universe hates canaanite/Palestinian babies and wants them killed. Meanwhile American fetuses are sacred at the moment of conception and not to be touched, even if the mother's life is in danger or if she was graped.
Ben Shapiro has a lot of competition for Pope of the Jews
@@Newton-Reuther wut
The only thing I can imagine is they haven’t experienced the wonders of a child up close, or just hates kids. Either way the dude should never have one.
He admits Israel has committed genocidal acts, but since he thinks that their intent is only "borderline genocidal" then you can't call it genocidal. This indicates a very strong bias to deny the genocide.
This idiot wasted your time, sorry Sam.
Also, they pledged to deny food and water. Naziyahu alluded to Amalek.
The idea that you can escape the fact that the genocide is very much intentional is just bonkers.
"Oh, that was just an irrelevant government official, they don't determine policy"
But they're doing the exact genocidal policy that the genocidal person said, so....
Borderline genocide is like being borderline pregnant.
@@1020kerry i'm borderline in love with your comment.
@@1020kerryI think you mean "almost" pregnant.
Sam’s right. Don’t get tied down to debating a term. The reality itself is awful enough.
The reality is worse
either way its inhumane and evil
Exactly. I almost hate the term climate change because it's bad enough we can't breathe the air.
@douglasmennella4525 I agree that the reality is bad enough but, I think there's a huge benefit to accurately labelling it as such.
If we're contented with saying that what's going on in Gaza is "awful" or any other synonym then, I think it's unlikely to garner enough public support and pressure to end this by any means.
Lots of awful things are happening in the world but, I think that the majority of people (particularly those who aren't too politically engaged, or rarely take in what's going on in the world) would !metaphorically shrug their shoulders and assume there's nothing to be done about it, seeing as there obviously isn't the political will to intervene in every awful event globally.
Using the "G" word signals that this is no ordinary event, grabs the attention, and hopefully begs the question: what can or should be done about it...?
The answer being that, we are signatories to the G convention, which mandates us to take action. Not just while it's happening or worse still, after. But also beforehand, if we suspect it's about to happen.
Just because the caller moved the goalposts each and every time a valid point was made, or just outright ignored the point altogether, doesn't mean we should bend to that kind of evasion. Just point out how many of the criteria your interlocutor has completely swerved, and end the conversation there. Folks will soon see who's being honest and who isn't...
@@comanchio1976 If you’re debating the term you’re probably being baited. I’m not saying don’t use it. Just don’t get hung up on it.
I'm proud to say Sam Seder is my Internet Dad. He's taught me so much as a Muslim American progressive on how to defend my rights and the rights of my people and all of humanity.
Well if you describe your self as a American Arab you are no American and should not be allowed to vote
As a progressive do you ever think about how disgusting Muhammad was?
"I'm really struggling on empathizing"
We believe that, friend.
It’s because he’s a Zionist. They have no empathy for my people. They have been slaughtering us since the 40s lol. They are taught to hate us from when they are born and then they use the fact that Hamas schools teach the same thing as if it’s antisemetic when in reality we are both Semites. The word Semite was created to describe Palestinian Jews and Arabs. That’s fact.
Theres 0 comparison to what happened on Oct 7th
@@Dankdalordeyou're right, that one day cannot begin to equal decades of colonization.
@Dankdalorde agreed buddy. It's approximately 100 times worse just by the numbers. But frankly the systematic approach and assymetry of power makes it so much worse than even the extreme barbarity the numbers reveal
What makes you believe what you say is true about colonialism
13:42 "you're looking for justification for you to be able to sleep at night, and I'm not gonna give that to you" This is the line we need to take right here
I aint listenin to that guy, free Palestine.
He's a coward who fled to his second home hin New Jersey with his wealthy family while millions of Palestinians don't have even one home to live in without the fear of imminent demise... 😡
Bros literally a destiny stan. Fuck him, fuck destiny, free Palestine.
That’s what I said at first but Sam cooked
Sam and Emma were spot on. Lots of evidence. To the New Jersey guy, if you still can't figure it out, then this incredible AJ do/c/ exposes how I/ sold/iers have obsessively uploaded evidence that fully supports the two hosts' case. Use this (v/=/kPE6vbKix6A/) but take out the forward slashes.
Palestine sucks so bad that people don’t want it even when it’s free
So basically this lad here believes it's not genocide unless the Israelis put out a statement declaring they are doing that.
And they have by invoking such rhetoric
"You must remember what Amalek has done to you, say our Holy Bible, and we do remember." - Bibi Netanyahu
"I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything closed. We are fighting human *animals* and we are acting accordingly." - IDF defense minister Yoav Gallant
Insane....
It's easy to feel that way when you have dual citizenship and can afford to flee to your families second/first home in New Jersey thousands of miles away from your "homeland" that you weren't born in. Meanwhile millions of Palestinians have no home to return to.
I mean... they pretty much have declared it. It's just the gaslighting alongside it that obfuscates it.
What’s crazy is that they did. Repeatedly.
Read the South African submission to the ICJ. They outlined those statements really well.
Based on these standards, Germany was not guilty either. It's insane.
Can't remember all 5 criteria but I am pretty sure Germany would meet them, especially post Wannasee Conference
@@JackAShepherd Talking about the guy's standard of hyper-specific, explicitly stated intent.
Mr. Hilter just talked about "protecting Germany", so clearly there was no intent to do a G-cide, unless you have a signed and notarized document where he says, "Yes, hello. My name is Mr. Hilter, and I would like to do a g-cide, please."
It's idiotic, and he's just splitting hairs so he doesn't have to talk about how wrong it is.
@@JackAShepherddid Germany send kids to be integrated into their society or did they eliminate them?
@@itsjustme664 They had a program where the German occupation forces, mostly in Poland and other parts of eastern Europe where they separated Blond, blue eyed or similar 'Aryan' looking children from their parents and sent them to childless German couples and/or orphanages. Look up the SS operated Lebensborn program.
The program's existence is the cause of the way the genocide convention is written to include this.
@@user-uy6uc5ey5q thanks. I thought they did but wasn't sure. Kinda ironic Hitler didn't quite fit the Aryan ideals.
Anybody debating this isn't a genocide is either extremely ill-informed or acting in bad faith.Probably both.🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Very true
What about, I'm not sure either way. Let's wait for the court to decide.
@@garrethoien6666Sounds like you're actively avoiding information that's currently available.
Or maybe you are ill-informed. This goes both ways
@@omarm316Not really
God its so disgusting. Imagine trying to take on a fucking faux intellectual tone while denying GENOCIDE.
There will be PhDs done on the powers that be and media on this once this is all over. Such pseudo intellectual BS.
I think that was TYT's own Ben Gleib on the call. 😂
Unfortunately that’s the case with a majority of Americans.
Noam Chomsky would be proud, heroic levels of genocide denial
It has "Austrian painter guy did nothing wrong!" energy.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
He’s been watching Destiny
Mr. Bonocelli 😂
🤣😭
@@hamzasohail6304 “with all due respect, you’re such a fantastic moron it’s embarrassing”
Bonerelli Divorcelli
Yep, the Dolis Specialis bullshit comes directly from dumbass Destiny's debate.
This is just willfull ignorance
or he's trolling
Doesn't really matter. You don't have to give genocide deniers the benefit of the doubt. If they ARE trying to debate in good faith, they'd be willing to do research and be affected by reasoning. That dude just wants to deny genocide.
If Gaza isn't a genocide. Then there's no such thing as genocide. Get rid of the word.
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No, its not. If one side surrendering would stop the killing, it's not genocide. Also Israel isn't trying to kill every person they can. There are civilian casualties but they could've killed way way more. The Holocaust is an attempted genocide. When settlers wipes out entire tribes of natives, that was genocide
It’s not
@@Dankdalorde explain how it’s categorically different from other genocides please. Monstrous take
@@stefasaurus2476 good luck getting a response lol
Omg. I’m sorry. We have an Israeli who hates Palestine on the line.
New Jersey, sounds about right
Jooyork
Your profile pic perfectly matches your comment.
@@musmaki4109 Tiny hat underground tunnel builders.......
@@Xinjiekou_新街口_Station Why was there a shit stained mattress in their secret tunnel?
this is a lite Mister Morelli vs Norman Finkelstein sesh
I think you’ll find it’s pronounced moretti.
I think you'll find it's Divorcelli
Bonerchelli
@@plixypl0xI'm sorry to ask but can you explain the joke?
@@owl.feathers sure: in a debate a few months ago Norm Finkelstein called Destiny (real Name Kenneth Bonell) by his last name name but messed it up dozens of times: burelli, birell, morello, morello… &c.
That caller was a monster and Sam called it perfectly. Also, he doesn't have an accent, he has a speech impediment.
@@SeattleScotty he definitely has an accent. Listen to how he says "Sam." Why deny what he claims is his lived existence when you could be focused on denying his moronic worldview?
@@kjv35 no thats a speach impediment. His Rs are Ws thats a speach impediment 😂
@@veginito9927 that's called non-rhoticism. You should listen to how he pronounces vowels, or read my earlier comment, before making armchair diagnoses.
@@kjv35 You're literally making a diagnosis in this comment. 🫠
@@kjv35 nothing wrong with a speech impediment i had a teacher that did the same R's for W's. My friend was named Ricky and i always enjoyed him saying Wicky.
Sam: What happens if this is not genocide?
Caller: Well the that's good, because it's not genocide!
Me watching at home: ... Do you comprehend that this is like, real life? Like, that this is not high school debate club? That whatever we call this mountain of 120,000 bodies (and counting), they're still dead? Do you understand that the people on the TV like, exist and lead lives as complicated as yours, even when you're not looking directly at them? Do you lack object permanence?
For real, if this caller was speaking in good faith and wasn't like trolling or being deliberately provocative... I just don't understand the sheer level of pointless pedantry and arrogance you need to have to give such little value to human life.
Just another boutique issue for him.
They attempt to mask islamaphobia with whatever intellect and talking points they can insulate themselves with. I've found this a popular tactic among the worst libs to separate themselves from the bald hatefulness of conservatives.
"I can't be racist scum if I'm intellectual."
"it's just war in an urban area" good lord what a dumbass
And they're adding to the corpse count at the rate that the Ottoman's added the corpses each day during the Armenian Genocide.
By the accent, I would say the guy is isreali. So that pretty much explains his mentality.
So much respect for the impressively consistent progressive messaging on this show. Emma and Sam are simply awesome!
10:13 Gave the game away when you asked "What if it's not genocide" and he started to say "Well that would be a good thing". GOOD FOR WHO?!
For Israel. They only care about the legal definition for that reason.
RIGHT!? Like oh all is well now. Not Genocide. Dude was arguing withholding aid supplies is just average urban warfare without any intent. F that guy. I hope he joins the IDF to fight for what he believes and they send his butt right to Southern Lebanon. Civilized society has no place for lunatics like this.
I know a Destiny viewer when I hear em lol bro gotta know the arguments better tho
Or Destiny himself doing his best Elmer Fudd interpretation. The key thing was his complete silence at the mention of the Khmer Rouge, which Destiny clearly has never heard of.
Sounds too old to be a Destiny fan, def outta high school
Don't mean to be ableist cuz I literally wouldn't be too surprised if he's also picked up that lisp alongside the argumentation style and sensibilities.
Can you explain to me this Destiny thing? I'm coming into this situation with completely new eyes and want to understand this caller's idiocy
@@ajorngjdonaydbr destiny is the name of a center left online debate bro who cut his teeth debating right wingers. Somewhere down the line he figured out that debating against lefties was more profitable so he too a hard turn against them. Early in the Israeli palistine conflict he decided to be a contrarian against the left in favor of Isreal. He knew nothing of the conflict but held to his position despite reality and has been working backwards ever since. He can be confidently called a debate mercinary and will debate any position that gives him the most engagement. He uses pedentry to obscure reality. Does things like uses legal and definition of words like a cudgle devoid of context or intent. Language doesn't work like that. In this case his likely fanboy here is usi g similar pedentry to strip the utility of the word genocide as a way to conure the reality on the ground. He does this by getting into the weeds of the legal definition of genocide to obscure the larger point and the colloquial utility of the word. See Destiny VS norm finklestein to see him up against actual experts who dressed him down for just this reason.
Wow he turned into blood thirsty screeching real quick after Sam set the semantics aside
typical zio, always talks over people
Destiny fans are insufferable.
Once this guy started talking I knew Emma was about to get fired up. So glad y'all were able to easily dismantle his "arguments" because it's so cathartic to see in a situation like this where we all feel so powerless.
10:45 Dude tried to come across as academic the first half of the call and then lost his chit all of a sudden here.
@@douglasmennella4525 exactly. This is a major point that may be emphasized. I'm so so so glad you caught it. With his back against the wall, this dude just reverts to pro-Israel talking points and starts rattling them off as if he's an auctioneer. That's a sign of someone who has absorbed propaganda, not someone who has thought critically about the situation. Thank you for calling attention to this specific moment, as it proves the point that this caller is a brainwashed pro-genocide freak.
He said the magic phrase that lets you know to not take anything he says seriously.
@@maxsmart9116 which phrase? Human shields?
@@kjv35 The mask came off and he did his best destiny impression.
They let him say a total of about 6 words in the second half, tf you talking about
THEY DEMOLISHED THIS LOSER!
Yep, an absolute loser.
For arguments sake, say there isn't an intent. If what your doing is creating this outcome, then continuing to do that knowing that's the outcome, then becomes intent. There's no way out of the genocide acusation.
I think This was the argument for Bosnian genocide
Well said.
True - very good point
This is exactly the argument I've made countless times against the claim that they're not targeting civilians - If after early analysis indicated that over 90% of casualties were civilian you failed to change your methods, you can no longer claim to not be targeting civilians.
Debating this guy is a waste of time. He's blocked the g-word from being implemented by contorting himself through mental hoops. What a monster.
I didn't know you could debate a genocide.
only with americans and israeIi "people". And only so far as you try to hold them responsible for their crimes. Otherwise they're also against it, unless it makes money. So yes they're always for it.
It's very debatable. When enemy combatants embed themselves in civilian area's. Withholding aid is not that when the population has grown during this period.
@@JonathanRootD Population has grown because most of them are REFUGEES from other displaced areas. Did you even watch the whole video? They answered your silly "human shield" argument too.
@@Sebastian-ld4qg Love the weird blame shifting you just did. Zios do not represent all J's. J's are NOT to blame for this. Zios definetly are.
Yes, this is how we should run our discussions. Imagine this in court:
"Your honor, I did not murder this man because XYZ (details irrelevant; who cares about arguments and standards of evidence?)
"Sorry defendant, murder can't be debated."
Didn't think monty python's pontius pilate would call in but here we are
Oh, this should be good.
The questions for the man from "Joursey" is this: Why is he "struggling"? Since he's already made up his mind this isn't genocide, what's his struggle? Next question for the "Joursey" man is this: If the government were to turn off all the water supply and electricity to Joursey, followed by randomly dropping huge massive bombs for monthly, followed by blocking aid and assistance, followed by bombing every hospital in Joursey; would he consider this genocide?
Hats off to Sam and Emma! Thank you. This little man (caller) is a genocide denier, I’m glad you both stopped him from spewing trash, trying to justify a genocide. 🇵🇸✌️🇱🇧
What a clown. As soon as the hosts pierced his BS, his speech sped up, lol. 🤡🤡🤡
Caller argues for extermination and makes me 🤢
Emma is so smart. I’m grateful for both of your coverage
Her eye roll when she heard the question described my feelings towards these silly questions
She is really not.
@@iguacu3517 I don't think she's Carl fucking Sagan but she's got a better head on her shoulders than 90% of media today
Imma is ignorant as is Sam. If you want to educate yourself then listen to smart people like Megan McCain.
@@iguacu3517 Debate her. I dare you. Give them a call.
Either this dude is on the take from Israel or he's informed by someone on the take.
You know he's watching Destiny on a daily basis.
Sam and Emma, that was beautiful!
This is coming off the heels of that Coates segment where he is so gobsmacked he has to just say either apartheid is right or wrong
People who talk like this piss me off
it’s a speech impediment bro that’s the least criticizable part of this guy’s whole deal
@@tonoornottono I think they meant the jennaside denial aspect of his talk
@@samnabawy2731is that truly how you think that is spelt bud??
@@Mogorman87 lol you should not talk about my obviously purposely misdirected spelling to avoid censorship when you can't even phrase a question correctly, buddy.
@@Mogorman87 yeah bud thats "his" its spelt.
Thank you guys for articulating this and picking apart the warped thinking of these maniacs.
Sam yelling at a random chatter chirping feels cathartic
hasan viewer spotted in the wild (positive)
Right on, Sam and Emma. If it's not genocide, is it OK? Is it decent? Is it humane? Is it civilized? "What about the Mossad HQ being in Tel Aviv?" , as far as the "human shield" accusations. Great application of Occam's razor. Thanks for the smart exchange. You've got me thinking.
Forget the mossad. The IDF has been caught literally using Palestinian civilians as human shields on the ground in Gaza
Dude needs speech therapy. Saying this as someone who struggled with a speech impediment all my life. It's bad
it's how a lot of the Orthodox speak in his community
@@MrEmreWawa Sounds like rhotacism to me
Can’t believe Sam doesn’t know where New Jorsey is?! Absolutely disgusting
You are been Antisemitic...
If the caller had said Noo Joy-zee, Sam would've gotten it. ;-)
It's scary to see how many lunatics are out there in the world. The caller is one 😢😢😢😢😢 The world is definitely not a safe place
Emma 😍❤ such a brilliant voice
It is amazing how people who believe they are of God are so willing to accept the most insidious things in defense of that belief. That caller is a sociopathic monster.
The idiocy of the caller's logic is that as long as you don't have a criminal confession stating "we're doing X specifically to accomplish Y" then you have no case! THAT'S NOT HOW ANY OF THIS WORKS!!
“Bloodthirsty pedantry disguised as nuance”, I’m stealing that line
Doesn’t seem very debatable to me
Population has increased since October 7th. If it is, they're thankfully absolutely inept.
@@JonathanRootD That's a lie and you know it
@@samnabawy2731and even if it weren't, that wouldn't change the fact that so many have died and lost their homes, nor the fact that Israeli leaders are openly genocidal, competent or not
@@Ellimist000 No but its definetly not true that their population increased since Oct 7
@@JonathanRootDI can't believe Americans are dumb to this level
When the caller brought up dolus specialis, it was clear he was regurgitating the same garbage Divorcelli spews
You can instantly tell this guy watches Destiny by his use of the term "highly special intent"
10:50 you broke him.
What kind of person feels the need to deny obvious atrocities? What good is this?
Sam Seder is the undisputed GOAT.
According to the caller, the Final Solution was not a genocide because it didnt say genocide.
Dude needs to get a heart. He thinks what’s happening in Gaza is a matter of opinion. He needs to call up the ICC and ICJ, if he wants to debate this.
What accounts for the diversity of Israeli accents in English? Some of them have this guy’s accent, like Yaron the Ayn Rand guy, and others sound like Netanyahu.
Its because all of them are from somewhere else, that what a settler colony is all about.
Because most of them would fail the DNA semitic test, especially compared to their "neighbors"
@@ayonibrahim9985 But which country sounds like Elmer Fudd😭
@@ayonibrahim9985 This is a pretty average Israeli English accent. The dropped r's is a big indicator. Bibi's accent sounds different both cuz he has a deep baritone voice and because he pronounces his r's, likely from being raised in America and trained to be a representative to the English speaking world. Also, most modern Israelis have been born in Israel.
Israel is a reverse diaspora country. People come from all over. Some do come to Israel for legitimate reasons. My ex-girlfriend's dad's family was expelled from Iraq upon the creation of Israel and were effectively left with nowhere to go except Israel. However, many show up for the opportunity to exploit the power dynamic and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in order to obtain land. This is particularly true among American Jews, from what I understand.
The questions remain for the purposefully ignorant
Long live Sam Seder. He nailed this call. Emma too.
“You’re looking for justification to be able sleep at night,” Emma nails it.
I fell away from watching the show for a while. Sam and Emma, this response to this individual pulled me back in. Thank you for calling it how it actually is.
Man y’all are so patient! This dude spoke for like 10 seconds and I was ready to throw hands!! 😬
Great work MR crew!
Thats what a homeschool American zionist sounds like. AIPAC got em calling your show now Sam. 😂
Alright, Sam. You've finally earned a portrait spot in my family's hall of heroes.
I had a similar debate with this dude who didnt like the word genocide. Maniacs.
New jawsy
He obviously has a speech impediment, Rhotacism if I had to guess.
😂😂😂😂
@@tinamoul it's just an accent. I agree we shouldn't make fun of his accent, especially when his viewpoints give us enough to go on
@@tinamoulyeah pretty cringy for Sam to make fun of a dude with a speech impediment
@@kjv35that’s not an accent friend, unless there’s a people who can’t pronounce R’s country I have never heard of
How do you show or explain to a guy who is blind and deaf ? well done for not falling for his BS
Sam and Emma...this was so satisfying to watch...like one of those tiktoks of a 300 year old Turkish rug being cleaned. Thank you for dismantling and tossing aside that caller...it's so gross how racist the platform you're standing on is when you're parsing the specifics and statistics of what meets a legal definition of a genocide. When we hear about dozens of American children killed in a school shooting, our heart wrenches, and rightly so...but TENS of THOUSANDS of Palestinian children and we're in a debate over legal verbiage?? Effff off New Jersey caller, take a real long, hard look at your humanity. Sam and Emma - freaking love y'all ❤️❤️❤️
You did a great job, hosts 🙏💜
It is almost exactly 1 year into the latest Genocide & this bozo really thinks to himself:
All the evidence in the world will not stop me because I have an addiction to debating… get help man…
The caller is either from Germany or Austria, and do not recognize the term genocide!
I wonder why...?!😑🌿🕊
If in 2024 you aren't disgusted by Israel actions in Gaza, the west bank, and Lebanon- then there is no hope for you.
Did you guys watch the Gaza documentary by Al-Jazeera? It would be great if you guys could mention it and give your thoughts.
Is it good?
@@henrytheworstyes! Many Americans prob haven’t seen the footage
Excellent. Tried to post almost the same comment on top with the ut link but it gets repeatedly auto-del!! Looks like this excellent work is black listed here.
So difficult to watch!!!!!!
This is like someone arguing that a 14 yr old is not p-ed0 because they are post puberty. When you get to that point, you've already lost.
“I’m from New Jorsy” 😂😂
bro really said "lets just plug the numbers into my proportionality calculator", these goons are failing to beat the allegations
Thank you sister tell the truth.
The debate is over.
I hope this guy goes through the comments line by line, to educate himself this is what the world really thinks of Israel!! Wake up.
Found the destiny fan
Talking about urban warfare. This isn't a war. A war has 2 sides of combatants. Palestine has no real army fighting back.
Thank you, Sam
New Jawsey. Bro learned how to defend genocide before he learned how to properly speak English
The wording he's using makes it almost certain that he's gotten most if not all of his arguments from Destiny.
I honestly cannot understand how people can see the images coming out of there and still have it in them to defend that...
No defense of a position that starts with "I'm just asking questions" ever ends well
Let's be real about October 6th, it wasn't Israel's 9/11, it was their Little Bighorn, Seminole War
Verry wellsaid Sam and Emma
He wouldn’t even say where he was from because he knows how wrong he is
Lol, Destiny fans are such ghouls
I don't like the argument that the court hasn't determined it is a genocide yet (because that takes time). That attitude would tell a Jew in Germany in 1942 "we're not sure what's going on there, we want to wait for a thorough investigation by the courts".
Jews in Germany were not at WAR
Didn’t start a WAR
Didnt keep fighting a war on multiple fronts Hezbollah, houthis, Iran etc
Folks we ❤ the clips!
Appreciate their genuine anger and disgust here and their arguing with clear facts. These people are slimeballs.
LOL I can tell this caller is a Destiny fan
According to the caller 40k+ known dead vs 1200 is "proportional"
6:50 The Dahiya doctrine, though I suppose you could argue that applies to any and all of Israel's enemies, Palestinian or otherwise. All Arab, however.
Nevermind, this guy ended up being full of shit anyway. Just an apologist.
What did you expect when the guy says his name is "Neville" with that accent? LOL