Gun-Armed Drones In Ukraine

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  • Drone warfare has evolved massively in Ukraine over the past two years and this week saw another evolution. On 4 September, Wild Hornets, a Ukrainian drone manufacturing initiative, shared footage of what they claim is the first use of their gun-armed drone in combat. In this video we explore the use of gun drones in Ukraine.
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  • @TheArmourersBench
    @TheArmourersBench  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

    Thanks for watching be sure to check out our accompanying article for this video here -
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    • @johnsmith-jq1uc
      @johnsmith-jq1uc 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      sir, have a look at the new thermite dropping drones if you have not allready done so

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@johnsmith-jq1uc thank you, yes, I am absolutely tracking those. It was possibly going to be this week's video but then the gun drones just snatched it. I will circle back to those hopefully.

    • @SoloWaterCup
      @SoloWaterCup 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@TheArmourersBench I noticed your channel isn’t clickbait. You’ve just gotten my subscription for that. However, you should post of video about it soon. While it’s (thermite drone) still trending. A follow up video later on would be cool too. As more is learned about them

    • @JaSon-wc4pn
      @JaSon-wc4pn 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      FPS russia YT channel made one years ago.
      Haven't heard from him ?

    • @justinj1560
      @justinj1560 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@johnsmith-jq1ucman I was just coming here to comment that I can't wait for him to cover the dragons and you all ready have him working on it

  • @asdasdasdasdasd9795
    @asdasdasdasdasd9795 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1520

    Black ops 2 being set in 2025 doesnt seem too unrealistic anymore.

    • @high_higgy
      @high_higgy 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +63

      i’ve been thinking this since we all saw how china acted during covid

    • @スガル
      @スガル 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +76

      Friendly Dragonfire deployed

    • @cannack
      @cannack 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      @@high_higgy prior to that, hell 2014 showed me that hybrid (covert-overt; generally deniable activities) will result in a muted political response, and that china is practicing this i the sea already.
      Only the Polish, Swedish & Finnish seem to be taking the past 3 years with serious considerations on how to practice defense in a near-transparent battlefield, the amount of steel, artillery, and UAV systems Poland alone has ordered is more than several nato nations combined.

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      "none of this surprises me" - Woods.

    • @derptomistic
      @derptomistic 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Friendly Hunter-Killer drone deployed

  • @sandwich2473
    @sandwich2473 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +664

    It really is a terrifying prospect, aerial gun drones
    They've been a component to fiction that speculates on near future military technology, but it's something else to see them deployed like this

    • @NandiCollector
      @NandiCollector 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      *Terminator is what comes to my mind. Simply terrifying.*

    • @anchorread68
      @anchorread68 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Israel had such drone, battle tested in Gaza.

    • @donwyoming1936
      @donwyoming1936 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      It's more of a nuisance than an effective weapon. Anything that big will get blown out of the air by any professional army.

    • @duckman12569
      @duckman12569 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      maybe a floating marksman rifle would make sense employed in this manner.

    • @watchonjar
      @watchonjar 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

      @@donwyoming1936 its a nuisance now but thats becuase its litterally just an ak on the bottom of a drone, if you could make a drone specific gun and use a more appropriate caliber it could be quite effective. Also maybe a change of tactics aswell where isntead of hovering around and shooting the drone almost goes in for strafe on infantry where it drives in releases a burst and pulls off.

  • @anchorread68
    @anchorread68 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +312

    Red-dot sight is used in mock fpv-rc-airplane dogfight because it corrects for parallax error. (When the camera is not directly parallel with the barrel)

    • @MaticTheProto
      @MaticTheProto 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Huds were also used in ww2

    • @joostdriesens3984
      @joostdriesens3984 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +39

      @@MaticTheProto A HUD is a Head-Up-Display which is not the same as just a collimator sight, which were used in WW2 planes, although I find it's very impressive that they had them at that time. I know them from the movies, but never realized it is such an advanced sight.

    • @MaticTheProto
      @MaticTheProto 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      @@joostdriesens3984 my bad. But yeah they were really advanced especially considering how simple some other systems still were back then

    • @hibahprice6887
      @hibahprice6887 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      You can install a second camera-sight precisely sighted with a grid. And use two video channels.

    • @Cyanfox3006
      @Cyanfox3006 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      ​@@hibahprice6887Might be problematic to use for several reasons
      - Twice the amount of data, meaning more strain on channel, meaning more data loss, as you can see, it already struggles at times
      - Less battery time and thus range
      - More weight
      - More traffic means higher chance of data being intercepted by enemy

  • @pilotspitfir3
    @pilotspitfir3 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +263

    I love how basically the first vid is literally just an ak duct taped to a drone.

    • @BariumCobaltNitrog3n
      @BariumCobaltNitrog3n 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      zip tied

    • @platonslynko7785
      @platonslynko7785 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      “Basically” does NOT address:
      1. Flight stability
      2. Mechanism to trigger gun reliably, like a little motor with signaling
      3. Correction of the fire, idk if it was done or not, but long-term has to be
      4. Weight/fly distance/battery change calculations and tests
      It looks simple, but as an engineer, I would say that anything that remotely works with technology in this world is a hell of an effort.

    • @donetskpeoplesrepublic9076
      @donetskpeoplesrepublic9076 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@platonslynko7785 assuming they did do all of that, yeah

    • @Dezzo0721
      @Dezzo0721 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@donetskpeoplesrepublic9076Even had they not completed the testing, they still would have needed to implement a sophisticated mechanism to control fire, and have reliable coordination of the drone’s movement combined with the mounted firearm

    • @DubboArchives
      @DubboArchives 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@platonslynko7785imagine how bootlegged the drones look 😭

  • @grantlauzon5237
    @grantlauzon5237 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +117

    I can imagine auto stabilizing programs to auto level the drone under full auto firing. If you know the angle of the gun and the recoil then the motors could spin up the exact amount to hold the drone steady.

    • @narannavan
      @narannavan 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      That's next week.

    • @Trenz0
      @Trenz0 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Surprisingly, I don't think it would be as difficult as you might imagine. PID control for motion control systems is extremely robust--granted you have properly tuned the system for the particular loads/use cases

    • @julmdamaslefttoe3559
      @julmdamaslefttoe3559 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Trenz0 A from the depths player could do it lol

    • @crackthefoundation_
      @crackthefoundation_ 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The FPV with the side-mounted AK in the longest video seemed to be doing this, compared to other footage later in the video of similar drones where you can see a burst would cause it to recoil 2-4ft

  • @GenPatton0043
    @GenPatton0043 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +273

    Looking forward to seeing a video about the flamelayer drones Ukraine has also started using.

    • @brookwhiteman9810
      @brookwhiteman9810 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

      Ukraine has long been using thermite munitions homemade by some of the larger munitions workshops but this new one allows the fpv to basically spray a entire treeline with thermite particles causing fortifications to burn. It's wild.

    • @Billy_Bad_Ass
      @Billy_Bad_Ass 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      YES!!!!

    • @zootyzay4878
      @zootyzay4878 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      waiting on the thermite drone video

    • @ashhawk2346
      @ashhawk2346 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@zootyzay4878 I saw one on youtube yesterday..

    • @GenPatton0043
      @GenPatton0043 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@zootyzay4878 just search flamethrower drone on here, you'll see it

  • @quakethedoombringer
    @quakethedoombringer 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +164

    MQ 27 Dragonfly from Bo2: "My time has come"

    • @Tragicide
      @Tragicide 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Hunter killer drone from Terminator 2 3D where you at.

  • @johndane9754
    @johndane9754 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +170

    I'm surprised it took this long to deploy them at all.

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      it didnt actually..Ive seen footage dating as far back as winter 23. but R&D takes a while I guess, especially aiming issues/recoil ammortization

    • @nikolajkapa2283
      @nikolajkapa2283 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      Kamikaze FPVs are cheaper. Those new gun drones need a bigger drone and as it was said here addicional parts to fight recoil and other stuff.

    • @donetskpeoplesrepublic9076
      @donetskpeoplesrepublic9076 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Even now drones with firearms are relatively ineffective in comparison to kamikadze FPV drones.
      Perhaps some more research, money and testing later we'll see proper designs of drones with firearms

    • @RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus
      @RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@donetskpeoplesrepublic9076 one drone hovering around in a area able to pop off shots at folk and keep the pressure on would be pretty effective from a tactical perspective. Strategy wise having a permanent sniper from above on an area would be very useful. Cheaper than drone spam in the long run too.

  • @mr.shannon6137
    @mr.shannon6137 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +88

    In the Vietnam war the United States used a lot LAW rockets. These were lightweight RPG's. They had a small disposable launcher. Those would be great anti helicopter and infantry weapons.
    The Vietcong quickly figured out that the thrown away launching tubes were only a little bigger around than hand grenades. So they would pull the pin on their grenades, and slide a few grenades in the tube. They would hang the tube high in the trees with a trip wire that released a gate at the bottom of the tube. The grenades would exit the tube, the spoon would fly off and the party would begin. A drone with a tube of 6 grenades releasing them at once would be good for clearing trenches.

    • @markellii3093
      @markellii3093 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      I think the system they have is just fine.
      If the tube design is to be done it needs optimisations.
      Using steel tubes is too heavy, probably PVA would work best, it's sturdy enough and much lighter.

    • @Treblaine
      @Treblaine 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The pressure from the lever on a grenade is really strong, it would grip the inside of any tube so tightly it couldn't budge if you even tried to shake it out.
      Why would you want the grenades on the ground? They're deadlier suspended in the air. There's far more effective boobytraps using just a bit of string to hold the lever down that would release when a tripwire is pulled.
      That story sounds like commie propaganda to trick Americans into hauling their worthless M72 tubes back to base. It really is as worthless as any old bit of pipe. Commies loved stories like that "we use your weapons against you" but it's not true, it's using our worthless trash against us in a way that less effective than ignoring it.
      The problem with booby traps is you're as likely to set them off yourself.

    • @herptek
      @herptek 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Hardly would one need a LAW tube just to store hand grenades to a drone, unless it is a booby trap of some kind. Not that you were necessarily suggesting that with your tangent, but anyway.
      An RPG 26, which is a similar disposable weapon, has been known to be attached to a drone. M72 LAW could easily be attached to a drone for top-attack anti-tank role. Tanks are easily penetrated from the roof and modern production versions of the weapon have significantly improved armour penetration compared to the Vietnam era versions.

    • @ach3909
      @ach3909 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@herptek At that point, is it any more useful and effective than zip tying the warhead right onto the drone and then smacking it against the target like they already do?

    • @herptek
      @herptek 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@ach3909 One clear advantage would be that the drone operator gets an immediate battle damage assessment without another asset confirming the kill.
      One could also re-use the drone that way, which in turn would make it convenient to invest somewhat more on sensors on board or other expensive features.
      Against infantry it would seem to me that something like 40mm grenade pistol or revolver launcher with several rounds would be better suited for that job than one LAW tube.

  • @neko9x19mm8
    @neko9x19mm8 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +119

    Holy f###, this is straight out of Ghost Recon Breakpoint

    • @waylonk2453
      @waylonk2453 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I was thinking exactly that. We're not far from a target ID algorithm being loaded and having the machine hunt on it's own. Breakpoint sure knew the direction that warfare is headed.

    • @neko9x19mm8
      @neko9x19mm8 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@waylonk2453 War would be Automated soon enough. few ground soldiers and more are just repairman or armorer for those Drones

    • @audreyrewinded
      @audreyrewinded วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@waylonk2453they had the drones in wildlands too, and in the pvp they were so op against people they had super nerfs 😅 art really does imitate life

    • @waylonk2453
      @waylonk2453 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@audreyrewinded I always thought the med drone in Wildlands was monkey business, but never got the chance to play ghost war PVP or see the drones there. At least Wildlands and BP add some realistic balance to drones with the video jammers

  • @maceron4444
    @maceron4444 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +57

    Supressive fire from a swarm of these would be terrifying to be on the business end of.

    • @centurymemes1208
      @centurymemes1208 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      jeez. even if its innacurate, it can pin your position down while a strike team flanks you and get annihilated.

    • @MrPopo-nn7kp
      @MrPopo-nn7kp 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not for other drones

    • @tackytrooper
      @tackytrooper 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Finally, a real reason to do 3-Gun instead of 2-Gun.

    • @Alfred-Neuman
      @Alfred-Neuman 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Imagine if these drones were dropping small AI-controlled tanks. I think our technology should be advanced enough for that, I'm just not to sure if it would be OK with international laws... These small tanks could silently and autonomously wander around, search for something that looks like a Russian soldier and head-shoot it with a small caliber (aimbot style). They would recharge themselves with their solar panel and carry on until they get destroyed. If one it getting stuck or is slightly disabled it could send an encrypted signal with his GPS coordinates to get help from the mother drone.

  • @Yonni6502
    @Yonni6502 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +79

    Most interesting was the use of drones as a carrier and repeater. Genius.

    • @olliefoxx7165
      @olliefoxx7165 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      What is a "carrier and repeater"?

    • @LucasDimoveo
      @LucasDimoveo 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@olliefoxx7165I’d like to know as well

    • @vxoideg706
      @vxoideg706 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@olliefoxx7165 to carry other drones and repeat the signal from a drone team forward so drones can reach further
      -

    • @Operationpr0
      @Operationpr0 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      It was used as a plane carrier, to drop of smaller drones. And the Main drone acted as a signal repeater for the smal drones.

    • @olliefoxx7165
      @olliefoxx7165 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Operationpr0 Thank you! That's very interesting. Appreciate you taking the time to explain that to me.

  • @Hafgren
    @Hafgren 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    Imagine an anti-material rifle-equipped drone that could perch or somehow plant itself in a strategic position. It wouldn't need to be very close to the combat or fire while in the air. It could even be a detachable system so the drone could fly back and forth to resupply.

  • @zbyszanna
    @zbyszanna 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +73

    Using the whole RPG launcher instead of just the warhead could remove the problems created by jammers on tanks which make it very difficult to keep the moving target in sight in the last meters.

    • @nic.h
      @nic.h 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It is however hard to aim well.

    • @Splarkszter
      @Splarkszter 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      ​@@nic.h Add a laser pointer. Sensors. Clever math and it could tell you where to aim.

    • @nic.h
      @nic.h 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@Splarkszter probably yes, with sufficient effort and cost.
      If it works on full sized aircraft good chances a miniturized version could be created.

    • @uwemattiss880
      @uwemattiss880 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      The recoil will destroy the drones.

    • @dean_l33
      @dean_l33 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@uwemattiss880 More than acceptable lost if it successfully hit the target

  • @andrewstrongman305
    @andrewstrongman305 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +69

    For anti-drone operations, Ukraine needs a drone built around a semi-automatic shotgun (modified to reduce weight).

    • @alphamoonman
      @alphamoonman 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Reusable one/two shot suicide shotgun drones is a crazy idea. It's like a kamikaze fighter without losing the drone.

    • @TD_YT066
      @TD_YT066 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      or something that shoots netting or strings of fishing line to entangle the props of the other drone.

    • @ElkaPME
      @ElkaPME 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Alternatively, drones designed to intercept other drones. Using rifle drones that way would be a good start for that. If planes have multirole, bomber, interceptor, and the like, it'd be intuitive to apply similar things to drones as well.

    • @Ogier78
      @Ogier78 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @@alphamoonman 40mm launcher, buckshot or HE

    • @tylerthecoolkid3767
      @tylerthecoolkid3767 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alphamoonmanthere is a company that has a video of their drone that has swappable heads, a shrapnel shotgun or a kamikaze shaped charge. Can’t remember the name but look it up

  • @MrTdg2112
    @MrTdg2112 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +136

    I'd think using it as an anti-drone interceptor would be more useful. Its hard to kamikaze into another drone, but getting it 10 or 20 feet away from the other drone doesn't seem too hard.

    • @randomsnow6510
      @randomsnow6510 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      How are you going to aim it at a fast moving target?

    • @henriknielsen9674
      @henriknielsen9674 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

      ​@@randomsnow6510 shotgun drone maybe

    • @angzarr9584
      @angzarr9584 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      bullet physics is a pain in the ass to model surely

    • @jamesjross
      @jamesjross 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@randomsnow6510 It might not be fast moving if its a loitering observation drone

    • @disposabull
      @disposabull 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Shotgun drone with automated object detection on the camera or something like a passive infrared detector, cheap radar or ultrasonic sensors to give you a drone that automatically centres on the object and fires.
      A lot cheaper and easier than developing something like a Roomba vacuum.

  • @iansun42
    @iansun42 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

    This concept might not be practical now, but imagine when defense production produces dedicated models. Perhaps with smaller caliber weapons. Mass produced drones are probably going to be the future of warfare. If there cheap just flood the battlefield with them.

    • @yeet1337
      @yeet1337 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      Everyday we get frighteningly closer to slaughterbots

    • @joostdriesens3984
      @joostdriesens3984 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      I will not be surprised if drone swarms are coming. On the other hand, technological developments can go in very unexpected ways. To be honest I would also not be totally surprised if some innovations in radio signalling increases jamming capabilities massively, with certain verhicles, or just any tank, dropping a drone swarm to the ground at short to medium range.

    • @waylonk2453
      @waylonk2453 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@joostdriesens3984 I'm with you, drones are so cheap that the potential is there to send them as a swarm. I don't know, but it's likely that most jamming is done by detecting the control frequency of the drone, and then filling the air with watts of noise on that channel. Or maybe it's done by detecting the video transmit frequency of the drone's camera. Some drone controllers (even cheap ones) dynamically switch between available channels, so a jammer would have to step on the control signal (or video signal) up and down the spectrum.
      I'd be interested to see a video where a swarm of drones gets jammed and plops into the river.

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      flechettes made of tungsten/DU they would pen almost every russian body armor^^ (plastic sheets, carton, sometimes 1mm metal sheets)

    • @SueMyChin
      @SueMyChin 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeh, it would only take a closed door to stop the entire swarm though...

  • @saintholican8009
    @saintholican8009 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    We're one android away from Skynet

  • @m.5932
    @m.5932 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +82

    I don't see how attaching a gun to a n fpv drone is better than a drone carrying multiple smaller grenades...

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +66

      Personally I think grenades are more useful too.

    • @fastestdino2
      @fastestdino2 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      probably for more direct anti personnel engagement in general, rather than a splash down. I feel like it adds far too much weight to a drone to literally strap a full rifle to it rather than a stripped down one with it's most vital parts.

    • @MishaAmashukeli
      @MishaAmashukeli 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      Dropping hand grenades is not that effective (we only see the successful hits from the videos), otherwise they would not start using single-use fpv drones(which are MUCH more expensive than grenades) against infantry.
      But if you mean a grenade launcher with 40 mm grenades, then yes that could be more effective. Check out Cerberus GLH, it's an Australian drone with a grenade launcher.

    • @ironman8257
      @ironman8257 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      you can surppres enemy position for longer while friendly troops advance.

    • @shionuzuki5549
      @shionuzuki5549 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Firing blindly in a direction isn't helpful either, but it's called suppression. This also does the same thing. If you don't want them to scatter while artillery is zeroing in on them for maximum effect, or if you do want to distract them from focusing on an encroaching or retreating unit.

  • @ZiGGi03
    @ZiGGi03 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    The thermite drone to jet drones to interference drones and fpv to boat drones Ukrainian drone production has become one of the miss advanced technologies in the world. It’s amazing to see such innovative technology being developed and implemented the rapid adoption and development process is impressive

    • @Sbiper
      @Sbiper 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Necessity is the mother of all invention

    • @ZiGGi03
      @ZiGGi03 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah if Trump didn’t get speaker Johnson to stop military aid for a few months that accelerated the drone production and innovation and if Putin never invaded we wouldn’t have these drones the way we do today. They will be integral to all army’s going forward it’s crazy this leap forward has came . Ukraine wasn’t even given a chance at the beginning every news company were going Russia days to take over but alas look where we are today Russias Black Sea fleet combat ineffective in the Azov sea . Russias professional army they started with has been eroded Russias tank jet helicopter and artillery also have taken huge losses . Russia will be in a bad way at the end of this war and it’s all putins fault

  • @trolololololo58
    @trolololololo58 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

    Those needs a custom muzzle break to be "better". The next step should be a juiced up gimbal, even software compensation, but those are gucci solutions. For the time being, i think focusing r&d on some good muzzle breaks might be the most cost / time efficient. And remving everything "useless" on the lead dispenser.

    • @HRM.H
      @HRM.H 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The platform definitely needs to be standardized. That way they could program a recoil controll system

    • @classifiedad1
      @classifiedad1 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Muzzle brakes shouldn’t be too hard to develop, given that suppressors for AKs are common in Ukraine, and are often from domestic production.
      Though the standard AK-74 muzzle brake is a plenty effective already and are a known quantity.

    • @sciencecompliance235
      @sciencecompliance235 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      The drone and gun need to be designed around one another. Software stabilization is all well and good, but you really want something that is purpose-designed from the ground up.

    • @classifiedad1
      @classifiedad1 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@sciencecompliance235 Not necessarily. The a major point of modern drones and their weapons is their much reduced cost, and would be optimal if existing designs could be leveraged for the task.
      The drone could be a ground-up design, but it would be easier to mate an existing firearm to the drone instead. In addition to software stabilization, a recoil-absorbing mount could be added. These exist for various light, medium, and heavy machine guns, and are basically spring, pneumatic, or hydraulic shock absorbers on a set of rails.

  • @alphatonic1481
    @alphatonic1481 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +58

    Even if it's not that efficient in terms of getting kills the psychological impact must be extreme on the russians. Imagine you sit somewhere you think is safe then you get fired upon from the air.

    • @Thaddeusw
      @Thaddeusw 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      As if the normal bomb drone hasn't done that

    • @MatoVuc
      @MatoVuc 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      not really. bullets whizzing by at is pretty fucking standard and if it's barely aimable, it doesn't really matter. The bomb drones are much more dangerous and intimidating.
      it would be more dangerous if it could fly down into the trench and try to fire at the enemy that way. Smaller target, harder to shoot back.

    • @donwyoming1936
      @donwyoming1936 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's a threat to poorly trained conscripts. Not to seasoned or professional troops.

    • @BariumCobaltNitrog3n
      @BariumCobaltNitrog3n 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Clearly you are unfamiliar with Russians

  • @waylonk2453
    @waylonk2453 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thanks for gathering and covering these clips. Truly wild stuff coming out of the conflict

  • @StephenRWilliams
    @StephenRWilliams 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Rather than direct combat where explosive would be more useful, think about the applications where infantry with guns are normally required and aviation bombs don't work. Clearing houses with occupants of unknown alignment, accepting and supervising the surrender of enemies beyond the front lines, policing occupied areas, etc. etc. etc. Some of these roles will still require some humans, but a swarm of drones can multiply the force of a squad to be more effective, control a wider area, and/or take on what would be greater risks.

  • @RyTrapp0
    @RyTrapp0 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    Surely a fire-and-forget ATGM is the next step to overcome the issues of firing an aimed weapon from a drone. Much more expensive - but much more effective as well.

    • @Akm72
      @Akm72 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      But then you lose the advantage of low cost.

  • @randomsnow6510
    @randomsnow6510 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    A better idea would be mount a modified p90 in fixed wing drone with a quadstack magazine as the guns is fairly easy to fit in a areodynamic fueslage, it probably be easier to aim aswell due to the more stable gun platform

    • @JinKee
      @JinKee 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Get a big fixed wing like a model spitfire and mount six of them, three in each wing

    • @가니메데
      @가니메데 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      AK74s are plenty, P90s are not.

    • @stevencigar9897
      @stevencigar9897 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@가니메데 exactly, and not only that but imagine the cost of ammo for that 5.7

    • @bigman9854
      @bigman9854 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Not a rifle cartridge so would suck at suppression

    • @JeffBilkins
      @JeffBilkins 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Maybe, but I feel this is a "use what we got" situation and not a perfect gun drone design challenge.

  • @Mattiflips
    @Mattiflips 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Aiming is only difficult for now. Once they make an mil spec version with integrated gun and sighting systems and AI targeting assistance its gonna be really wild. Won't be long...

    • @TiocfaidhArLa34
      @TiocfaidhArLa34 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You don't even need AI. Just need a solid mount and a holographic sight in front of the camera.

    • @Mattiflips
      @Mattiflips 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@TiocfaidhArLa34 they already use AI. It's called the last mile targeting system iirc. It basically locks on the target shortly before and makes sure it hits even if they lose connection. They also already have automated guns in the DMZ between the North and south Korea. It's not new just not been implemented in this way on the front yet. Won't be long tho.

    • @TiocfaidhArLa34
      @TiocfaidhArLa34 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Mattiflips Automated turrets are easy. You don't have a weight restriction and it's not flying around.

    • @nosepowder69
      @nosepowder69 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Mattiflips That's not "ai" though, that's just code. True "ai" literally does not exist.

  • @paulcoverdale8312
    @paulcoverdale8312 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Before this war started, a dron with a Berretta was shown firing an hoverin on TH-cam an other channels.
    One also was showed with a shotgun firin at nebours in a fight between the two families on US news.
    So I’m surprised that this has taken so long.🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧

    • @theRPGmaster
      @theRPGmaster 19 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Where'd you see that shotgun drone?

  • @HRM.H
    @HRM.H 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I wonder if they could use the rotor RPM to compensate for recoil.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Perhaps syncro an increase in RPM when the trigger is actuated. Interesting idea.

    • @pootsieman
      @pootsieman 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i thought it was a joke at first but i guess not. compensated somehow 🤔

    • @nic.h
      @nic.h 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      They are already being used to control position of the aircraft. That's just how drones, like quads, work.

    • @markusbalbach7608
      @markusbalbach7608 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      theres brighter minds than our "average infantrymen spare part army" working 24/7 "dontcha worry...bout a thing, coz EVERY LITTLE THING..."^^

  • @dragonfirexv
    @dragonfirexv 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    A piece of advice to the Ukrainian drone manufacturers, try attaching sub-machine gun type guns to your drones. Like the Uzi or other smaller type of guns. The recoil is too strong from AR type rifles like the AK and the M4.

  • @The_Defiant_One
    @The_Defiant_One 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Trench warfare and combat shotguns...
    History repeats itself.

  • @John_Six
    @John_Six 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    What a nightmare to be an infantryman in this war and having drones buzzing above you. Are they going to shoot, drop a grenade, kamikaze, watch you, drop fire...

  • @el_tio_Harry
    @el_tio_Harry 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    everyone saying drone warfare should be a war crime... forgetting the fact that Russia literally invaded a country, what did you expect? flowers? A country should be able to defend itself in any form possible, dont want the enemy developing new and fun ways to kill you?????? then how about you consider not invading them? Good tip eh?

  • @tackytrooper
    @tackytrooper 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I suspect putting an appropriately oriented muzzle brake on the gun would help flight characteristics.

  • @MrHeavy466
    @MrHeavy466 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think it would be more effective if the drones were armed with something like .22LR: less recoil, more carrying capacity, and still lethal at 100 yards.

  • @JHoboman
    @JHoboman 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    That barrel jumping like that would render the unit unserviceable. A good fear tactic but quite ineffective.

  • @erroneous6947
    @erroneous6947 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Imo it makes more sense to mount a shogun and use it to hunt other drones. Load the shotshells with short lengths of steel chain.

    • @TootSocialTV
      @TootSocialTV 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Like the keychain balls strung together! Great idea!

    • @S3alTheTrooper
      @S3alTheTrooper 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They'd need a semi auto shotgun, which are rare and expensive

    • @blackarnold
      @blackarnold วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@S3alTheTrooper war money is unlimited

    • @Whocaresfrfrfrim
      @Whocaresfrfrfrim 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Didn't Russia do this already

    • @iakkubczechino2825
      @iakkubczechino2825 36 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      @@S3alTheTrooper semi auto shotguns arent even that rare and expensive. The issue with semi auto shotguns is that they arent 100% reliable.

  • @gabrielalbertogomez9562
    @gabrielalbertogomez9562 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    i don't know why but i feel like if someone made a platform that fired 22LR reliably, a drone flying around with like 3k rds of 22LR just seems like the zaniest shit ever that'd be both funny and terrifying. It'd probably sound like a swarm of angry bees.

  • @chestergt7765
    @chestergt7765 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    What's crazy is this is almost all off the shelf hobby grade equipment.

  • @TD_YT066
    @TD_YT066 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Seems like a drone with a LASER designator could direct in a guided munition to a pinpoint by lighting up a target that it'd found.

  • @5chr4pn3ll
    @5chr4pn3ll 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I think the obvious benefit of a gun is for anti drone work, although the psychological aspect of man hunting rifle armed drones is quite terrifying as well ofc.
    We've seen a lot of suicide drones targeting Russian surveillance drones, but with this you can simply fly up to them and give them a few bursts. Or mount an auto shotgun for an easier time.
    Making the cost value absolutely crazy.

  • @TestUser-cf4wj
    @TestUser-cf4wj 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I thought nothing could be sexier than an unclad falcon rocket engine, but this gun drone is giving me an arms woody.

  • @greengabe5
    @greengabe5 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We got the BO2 Dragonfly irl before GTA6

  • @Drunkendrakon
    @Drunkendrakon 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I was wondering where these were ever since that kid made a drone + handgun in America.

  • @sixpest
    @sixpest 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Life is going to turn into metal gear real fast, And im absolutely not okay with that.

  • @demos113
    @demos113 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    So far i think the thermite drones are the best of the new batch, grenade drones are still getting the job done.

  • @JuisSekasi
    @JuisSekasi 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "in the future well have rc drones with guns and we dont need soldiers on the frontlines" :D and it is still just AK taped on a drone with a servo. love it.

  • @swecreations
    @swecreations 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Think something like the FN P90 or another gun using a P90 magazine would be the perfect weapon for this. Would allow it to be used on a smaller drone with a higher ammo-capacity while still being armor-piercing.

  • @burtburtist
    @burtburtist 14 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    nerds have been wanting to strap guns to their rc toys with cams for years (with little luck from the government allowing that), and now theyre taking all the credit for the idea
    crazy that bandwidth got so good its becoming a viable meta to have video streaming for a strong "cheap" quadcopter
    a call back to uav operators in earlier wars, now everybody gets to enlist in the airforce
    not to mention all the man made munitions and 3d printing progress, the future is now and each man is a nation

  • @Gothichell
    @Gothichell 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    A drone with a gun can do anti-drone operations.

    • @SueMyChin
      @SueMyChin 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You ever tried it?

  • @Hobnobble
    @Hobnobble 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Could be very useful in taking out other drones, specifically the high flying long range 'strategic' drones.

  • @sciencecompliance235
    @sciencecompliance235 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I think this could more effective if the drone had a purpose-built gun, gimbal, and gun stabilizer.
    If the recoil can go directly through the drone's center of mass, it can get much more consistent shots on target.

  • @orterves
    @orterves 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I'm surprised it took this long honestly

  • @SurgicalJust0n6838
    @SurgicalJust0n6838 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I have a feeling that this gun drone can do strafing runs on enemy positions which could be an advantage over ground based machine gunners shooting at an elevated position

  • @SuperGarryGamer
    @SuperGarryGamer 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    the footage starting at 2:43 is probably not "in combat" - the Ukrainian text says something to the effect of "drone practice firing"

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Makes sense thank you! The source I had for it claimed it was.

  • @AINGELPROJECT667
    @AINGELPROJECT667 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    WW1: Poison Gas
    WW2: Nuclear Weapons
    WW3: *Murder Drones*

  • @popinmo
    @popinmo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    this would be a good application for my new 1.9lb 5.56 rifle i made

  • @Soundofwindonsand
    @Soundofwindonsand 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is just like watching the sky's over Europe back in
    WW1..The evolution of death from the sky .... again

  • @OldManBob545
    @OldManBob545 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If it wasn't for potential reliability issues I could see helical drums being useful for drones for balance and space limitations, it would be interesting if this sparks new interest in case-less ammunition, the thought of a eletrical not clockwork G11 like device firing in volleys on a drone is really something but only time will tell
    I honestly think that a volley style of weapon might be simpler and more reliable way of hitting targets with every shot fired disturbing the POA, either that or some sort reciprocating rail to try balance the recoil
    I look forward(?) to seeing the new mechanical/electrical horrors we create

  • @Anthromod
    @Anthromod 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    If there's on board target recognition then the effectiveness of this goes way up. The operator pulls the trigger to engage and the drone does the targeting.

  • @CharliMorganMusic
    @CharliMorganMusic 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is the sort of weapon that doesn't need to actually kill things very often to be very scary.

  • @BlowhornMan
    @BlowhornMan 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I can envision a team of drones with different purposes. Mothership for transport/power, gun mounted for suppressive fire, grenade droppers, signal repeaters, and small kamikazes for precision

  • @bradenhagen7977
    @bradenhagen7977 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Fire drones, rocket launcher drones, FPV drones, multiple-drop grenade drones...
    Terrifying

  • @maxsinventions8913
    @maxsinventions8913 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This would be crazy to have a pilot and a gunner.

  • @draculastraphouse7863
    @draculastraphouse7863 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Imagine a small swarm of 10 of these drones patrolling an area, you're done

  • @Superwip
    @Superwip 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The RPG-7 is relatively heavy, both in absolute numbers as well as relative to the weight of it's warhead. I would suggest that a smaller single-use RPG or a rocket launcher is a better option, since the launcher can not be reloaded in any case. Good options could be RPG-18, M72 LAW, RPG-72, RPG-26 or AT4 recoilless launchers or S-5 rockets.
    Guided missiles like the MBDA Enforcer Air, Thales LMM or, depending on the drone, maybe even larger missiles like Hellfire, Brimstone, Stugna-P,... could be an option as well.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There's a UK drone from Malloy that's been paired with LMM which is promising. And yes, I'm not sure why they went with RPG7, a disposable launcher would make sense.

    • @isitanos
      @isitanos 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The Marlet/LMM costs 250,000$ I think, judging from the cost of the recent UK donation of those to Ukraine, so it kind of defeats the attractiveness of cheap drones. Still, if you could infiltrate enemy territory with a few drones holding those and manage to shoot down enemy aircraft launching glide bombs, it might be worth it...

  • @TNTNT20
    @TNTNT20 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So using a lighter ammo, reducing recoil (and kinetic power) but giving you more rounds, you could use them in a support role kind of raining diwn rounds from above say 100-150 rounds

  • @sub0fathom
    @sub0fathom 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Everyone should go play Receiver 2: The Compound.

  • @paulnewsome6289
    @paulnewsome6289 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Presumably all Western Armies are now developing this type of aerial gunboat drone. They might eventually have several machine guns front, side, back. Like the small, rapid fire uzis.

  • @geronimo5537
    @geronimo5537 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I can tell you from the footage. They overly pixelate it for a reason. As you could see the dust clouds of impacts. From the amount of wobble while firing and distant targets. This drone is not doing anything other than some minor harassments. It could work if very up-close to a target. But at that point the target can react and they lose the drone.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Pretty much my conclusion at the end. Thanks for watching.

  • @haphazardprism
    @haphazardprism 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Imagine putting your rifle down to use the bathroom or something and seeing a drone fly away with it lol

  • @BlowhornMan
    @BlowhornMan 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    In the current state, I'm sure these will be more useful in suppressive fire applications compared to the cheaper/more accurate kamikaze drones
    That is until they shrink a gun down to its most essential components and improve its targeting

  • @TiocfaidhArLa34
    @TiocfaidhArLa34 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Need to find a way to affix a holographic sight to the firearm. That will adjust for misalignment far better than the little crosshair in the camera. Maybe use an aftermarket forearm with picatinny on the side and put the holo there and then line the drone cam up with the holo. It would require the rifle be placed further forward though.

  • @Juho-uf8si
    @Juho-uf8si 20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    I would love to see finnish steel eagle drone in ukraine, its basically a flying claymore

  • @overcunning
    @overcunning วันที่ผ่านมา

    No way in hell that it ever hits anything. At best it might provide some limited suppressive fire. Although a small purpose built drone could be very terrifying. Imagine sitting in trench, minding your business, when all of a sudden, a random drone with a pistol appears out of nowhere, blows your knee caps off and immediately fucks off.

  • @internaut2
    @internaut2 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This design should have been released years ago. In fact, I believe a vertically mounted sniper rifle is even superior to this

  • @mattheide2775
    @mattheide2775 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thank you for the excellent work. The evolution of drone tech by Ukraine just blows my mind.🇺🇦 ❤

  • @mikecapson1845
    @mikecapson1845 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I saw a drone carrying and firing machinegun onto practise targets 12 years ago.

  • @robbytherob
    @robbytherob 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Ah mankind still hasn’t figured out that in order to make this viable you simple need to make new smaller rounds to increase capacity, aim, and distance.

  • @irishkiwi477
    @irishkiwi477 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They should use net launchers to counter drones instead of guns, but these are more useful than a lot of people think, suppressive fire can be very useful, and there is a psychological effect of being able to be shot from anywhere

  • @monstercolorfunco4391
    @monstercolorfunco4391 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The batshit x8 drone is fun. Scope mount 50x zoom dual camera sniper sounds effective, labs have them in theory.

  • @Ally5141
    @Ally5141 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I suppose something like P90 would work way better for a drone than AK. Small, compact, got surprisingly good ballistic performance and 50 round mag.

  • @joonasnaski9513
    @joonasnaski9513 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    As the drones evolve and are able to carry more weight it also means that heavier weapons can be mounted. At first they had no weapons. Then grenades and now a gun or an rpg. Mounting a javelin or an nlaw to a drone isn't out of the realm of possibility.

  • @samuelkral414
    @samuelkral414 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always had this idea of making RC plane style drones with guns to shoot down stuff like the shahed which would not be cost effective to destroy with missiles

  • @caseylynch4001
    @caseylynch4001 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2nd operator for a scope mounted camera with it's own dedicated video feed

  • @ryiningZollln
    @ryiningZollln วันที่ผ่านมา

    dude on FPSRussia made that 12 years ago, just search ''Prototype Quadrotor with Machine Gun!''

  • @matthorrocks6517
    @matthorrocks6517 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    We are 10 years away from local police forces flying these around and harming the population.

    • @isitanos
      @isitanos 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Doom and gloom. They can also be used for good, for instance to storm hostage situations from unexpected angles and without exposing police officers' lives.

  • @Sombody123
    @Sombody123 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It doesn't even need to be accurate, it would still be great suppression fire.

  • @williamgrand9724
    @williamgrand9724 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Imagine a drone that could shoot 40mm HE nades

  • @keatonwastaken
    @keatonwastaken 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think these will take a while before it's viable, it seems quite complex and definitely not cheap like bomber drones.
    Still scary and cool at the same time, but counter-drone warfare is most definitely a priority I'd assume.

  • @engine4403
    @engine4403 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Wondering if bringing back a mars pistol style directly rearward ejection would make sense.
    Why worry about shell casings flying into the shooters face 500 meters away?

  • @Tariqslo
    @Tariqslo 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is at the same stage as the Wright brother's flight in 1903. But wait 10 or 20 years it will be insane

  • @joshuajackson472
    @joshuajackson472 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm surprised it took so long. I was expecting to see sniper rifles on drones years ago, or predator drones turned into mini c130 gunships, equipped with mortars and mines and incendiaries.
    Reminds me of the Spanish Civil War of the mid to late 1930s. Became a testing ground for the weapons, technologies and doctrines that would later be used in the early years of ww2.

  • @ussassu
    @ussassu 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    it shouldn't even be hard to aim, as long as camera is completely aligned with the barrel (can align it by shooting before), and just aiming a bit under the center of the screen.

  • @BravoCheesecake
    @BravoCheesecake 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    While bomber drones are more efficient and practical, a drone shooting at you has to have a major psychological impact.

  • @theemissary1313
    @theemissary1313 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Recoil seems to be the main problem. I give it another year and that will be fixed, either recoil shock absorbers, or more suitable weapons with less recoil.

  • @Mcree114
    @Mcree114 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

    People talking about Black Ops but this is BF: Bad Company multiplayer coming true.

  • @mtdewwy
    @mtdewwy 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    we fr gotta make mini sams now

  • @HoloRC
    @HoloRC 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    "Oh look, a flying AK-47! ... oh shi*! It's a FLYING AK-47!!!"