@sumthingwikked4257 this is a gold reply. Using the words 8 used when he painfully regenerated to mean something more kind than desperate. The only person who could help heal the Doctor, is unironically, The Doctor
it wasn't until this speech that I realized just how much trauma the Doctor's been through. And realizing; no; we've never, ever, seen him stop. To breathe, to heal, to wonder "WTF did I just do?'' Even just the stuff we've seen, he's never stopped.
One thing that I've learned from the doctor is of there is ever a wrong, it must be made right, if there is a murder, it will be avenged, his innate sense of justice is his biggest flaw
plus it also makes you think "why" hes a timelord he can take a break go to any time and any place and just sit for hundreads of years then get right back to it as if only a few seconds passed. yet hes never did it. not once. time is not straight for him yet he treats it as if hes at the end of his rope runing out of time.
When I first heard this speech it made me realise that the Flux was just a retread of Logopolis, what with the universe getting destroyed and everything.
Logically, if that was the case, then it makes sense that the Doctor would feel so much trauma again. In mental health studies, if a person is exposed to a similar event from their past, it could trigger them to experience again the same anguish.
@@matthewphillips9404 I said the lyrics were already blatantly obvious, there's no need to make it worse by adding visual flashbacks. A good song is a good song
Sometimes I forget classic who. I need to watch them, I love how he says we didn't stop for a second to say what the hell, and his first line is "will someone tell me what the hell is going on here"
2nd time I've found Kuro under a Doctor Who video, and that's just today. Utterly wild. Out of curiosity, if they were to recast Paradox with a former Doctor actor, who do you think would do the role best? I personally think Baker(both of them) or McCoy would knock it out of the park.
That speech can also be applied to OV Ben Tennyson. He has been through so many strange things in Omniverse that in the end he became disturbingly indifferent or doesn't care anymore about something, even when his life is threatened by the Big Bang he thinks Mr. Smoothies is more important than his loved ones. "What the hell?" in fact. The boy who used to be a goalkeeper in soccer, being popular by his classmates and learning to love with Julie...that Ben died a long time ago.
This dialogue was pretty much the minimum requirement needed for the obligatory nostalgia trip to mark the anniversary milestone in the sixtieth anniversary specials, and I'm glad it was just that when we had a full-on nostalgia special with the BBC sentenary special, The Power of the Doctor, the year prior.
Sometimes Russell's writing can be cringe and sometimes it can be melodramatic and lately even fourth wall breaching in a misguided way, but then you get scenes like this that makes you forget everything else and cry for these characters that are deeply real to Russell and make them deeply real to everyone watching. That is his true magic and that is why he's where he's at now. Not every producer or writer is going to give us everything we want out of Doctor Who not any single one person will ever get everything they always want out of the show all the time. But this is the sort of thing that I get for putting up with the rest of the things I don't like during an era of Russell then I'll sit down and stop pretending to rage quit all the time and enjoy the show because my God you can't deny this is some really good s***. How he even turned the Timeless child stuff into a deeply moving moment when he empathizes with Ruby saying that he just found out recently he was adopted as well. Suddenly I felt guilty for bitching about that whole storyline for 2 years. The doctor in this show is everything as well as anything to everyone but not all at once and not all the time. It's the beauty of this program and it is exactly why it endures
I have no regrets about bitching about the Timeless Child. It was awful, changed everything we knew about the Doctor, and not in a good way. I was expecting Russell to rightfully retcon it. 😂
@@StLProgressivei think it's much more interesting for him to double down on it. Any old writer could just go "this isn't canon anymore" it takes a really impressive writer to keep it and make it worthwhile.
@@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123 You've reminded me of a Comic Con panel I saw here on TH-cam in which the discussion turned to the trend of rebooting and remaking popular movies and TV shows. One of the panelists suggested that it would show more creativity if a writer took something that stunk when it was originally produced and made it good.
I always felt like the timeless child was kind of disrespecting to the people who worked on doctor who in the past. And William the first doctor wasn't the doctor original body before he regenerated. I don't know why I felt that way I just do.
It makes more sense in the context of the EU, as the 1st Doctor, Sara and Steven spent months on the run carrying that Taranium core around with them. And the events of Masterplan have had far reaching consequences on the other Doctors, like the 4th Doctor battling the Syndicate, or the 10th Doctor being dragged back Pre-time war and briefly travelling with Sara Kingdom’s niece.
I took that to be shorthand for the deaths of Katarina and Sara Kingdom, similar to how the devastation of Logopolis, described half the universe being destroyed.
@@stephencoppins9467Which, on the point of Logopolis, has happened again thanks to the Flux... The universe bein' widdled down like an apple. By the time the series finally ends only the Sol system will be left. lol
Thanks so much for this, I really wish they'd put this much care into the actual anniversary specials. For a celebration of a 60 year legacy, they barely acknowledged anything from before 2008.
Even the stuff they acknowledged felt kinda bare bones. I am sad because I feel it was good opportunity to have at least all 13 doctors as puppets at the toy makers store
What an amazing edit, whenever I tell people about doctor who, I always so want to talk about the nuanced hel he puts himself through, but what alot of people who haven't watched him is that's just how "we" are, we are caring and very easily destroyed/destructive people, it just takes a lot of gumption to overcome. *I will always remember when the doctor (my younger self) was me
Now WHY rtd didn't include footage like this when doctor 15 was talking to doctor 14, I'll never know. At least it would have felt a lot more closer to home (so to speak) if they used this footage to least include past characters from the series.
Personally I thought put on trial and exiled were referencing both trials the Doctor went through. But then Trial of a Time Lord has always been a favourite of mine. Anyway, fantastic video, very emotional. Almost exactly what was going on in my head when I saw the episode for the first time.
The actor (NCUTI GATWA) he’s the one, who plays the Fifteenth Doctor. The same guy who’s giving a speech, about the individuals who are stuck somewhere, about the individuals who that have died, and about losing fights against most of the villains they have come across.
This is excellent. One additional thing you could have added: when 15 said “put on trial” you could have flashed back to 6’s trial to show both trials the Time Lords put the Doctor on.
@@CultOfThirteen yeah but the ambiguity makes it possible. Plus it adds more late classic representation (since they don’t mention anything for 6 which is probably the only classic Doctor not to get a reference, aside maybe 8 if you don’t count the time war for 8 and war)
"Who said you're not important? I've travelled to all sorts of places, done things you couldn't even imagine. But you two? Street corner, two in the morning, getting a taxi home. I've never had a life like that." -Ninth Doctor "Sometimes I think a Time Lord lives too long." -Tenth Doctor "I have seen things you wouldn't believe! I have lost things you will never understand!" -Eleventh Doctor "I'm the Doctor, I've lived for over 2,000 years, and not all of them were good. I've made many mistakes." -Twelfth Doctor "I've lived longer, seen more, loved more, and lost more!" -Thirteenth Doctor
For the 60th anniversary it would have been nice to see these flashback. Is very odd for the 60th anniversary that the doctor didn't team up with his past and future self. That always happen in anniversary specials why didn't they do one for the 60th anniversary of doctor who?
Because its overdone. Multi doctor specials have been done so many times in the last 10 years, it's boring. The Giggle was a nice way of doing a multi Doctor special. Instead of the current doctor teaming up woth past doctors, they team up with a future Doctor.
@@maxcardun14 basically got a fuck ton of therapy and family time then turns into 15 when he regenerates (the idea of it being the exact same person that just split is cooler though)
@@just_jakey No it's just lazy writing to give an exucse to once again use the letters B and I in the same start of a word. Maybe Transfiguration, was too obvious for them.
It bothers me that Yaz didnt get mentioned since 14 is not even 24 hours old, 15 knows it just happened to the doctor, but river and rose get mentioned
Wild that Mavic Chen got a namedrop over Inferno or Peri. And they made a fuss about the Toymaker being a racially insensitive character while tacitly giving a pass to a character played by an actor in yellowface. I love this scene but it's typical RTD, great writing and the best of intentions intercut with the occasional baffling choice.
The thing is, Peri didn't actually die, and Inferno would be a bit more baffling. I'd honestly expect him to have the least amount of trauma attached to Inferno. Not exactly because it was fascist (Although that probably helps), but they helped him escape and save his universe's Earth, and he couldn't save them even if he tried. Mavic Chen got brought up because his actions helped lead to the deaths of Katarina and Sara Kingdom, literally the first and second times a companion of his has ever died. It's honestly my favorite callback. Scatterbrained and cold as he can get, Eleven was right in that he never forgot a face. Katarina couldn't have been with them for any more than a few days, and Sara was with them for about six months, but he still holds their memories and is a source of trauma for him. Honestly, the only out of place one here is the Gods of Ragnarok. I'm pretty sure its because they are canonically more powerful than the Great Intelligence/Yog-Sothoth, but they didn't really...do much of anything to the Doctor? He apparently fought them in the past, and then he beat them again in their actual debut episode. RTD is totally foreshadowing them returning, but I feel like Fenric would have made more sense, considering how he had to emotionally destroy Ace to get the victory. Hell, the Black Guardian would have made more sense for the extra emphasis, considering he is basically the Actually Satan of Doctor Who.
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It really puts into perspective just how old and experienced the character of The Doctor is
Who knew the person finally able to run an intervention on the Doctor would be himself.
Well, if a future version of you came back to give yourself advice would you ignore it?
There really couldn't have been anyone else. It was a perfect way to do it.
Physician, heal thyself.
@sumthingwikked4257 this is a gold reply. Using the words 8 used when he painfully regenerated to mean something more kind than desperate. The only person who could help heal the Doctor, is unironically, The Doctor
The only one who can truly help you is ultimately you, yourself.
R.I.P. Elizabeth Sladen. Forever our Sarah Jane.
*Elisabeth
*Elisabeth
The smile on 10s face when he says My Sarah Jane!
she's always going to be our Sarah Jane
This music would’ve worked so well.
I think these flashbacks would’ve even been at home in the 60th.
they should have made The Giggle a more clear end of an era, I just feel like Russel half-assed that episode.
No it would have been cringe
@@hothemeep1219 it can not be
it wasn't until this speech that I realized just how much trauma the Doctor's been through. And realizing; no; we've never, ever, seen him stop. To breathe, to heal, to wonder "WTF did I just do?''
Even just the stuff we've seen, he's never stopped.
One thing that I've learned from the doctor is of there is ever a wrong, it must be made right, if there is a murder, it will be avenged, his innate sense of justice is his biggest flaw
plus it also makes you think "why" hes a timelord he can take a break go to any time and any place and just sit for hundreads of years then get right back to it as if only a few seconds passed. yet hes never did it. not once.
time is not straight for him yet he treats it as if hes at the end of his rope runing out of time.
@@kevind3974 yeah, which looking back, seems like a huge trauma response to the Time War.
@@michaelshigetani433 agreed. unlike the other ones they talked about. the time war he truly was at the end of his rope racing agenst time.
@@kevind3974 looking at 9 through Jodi Whitiker; it really does look like the doctor was doing all those seasons from a. place of trauma.
When I first heard this speech it made me realise that the Flux was just a retread of Logopolis, what with the universe getting destroyed and everything.
Logically, if that was the case, then it makes sense that the Doctor would feel so much trauma again. In mental health studies, if a person is exposed to a similar event from their past, it could trigger them to experience again the same anguish.
Feels like a homage true.
I mean Logopolis didn't invent the concept of universal threat
This is exactly what they should’ve done. It’s perfect
With the loud drum-like sound effect they did in Journey's End.
Yea totally don't get why they didn't use all these flashbacks would of added appeal
@@matthewphillips9404The lyrics were already blatantly obvious
@@hothemeep1219 huh?
@@matthewphillips9404 I said the lyrics were already blatantly obvious, there's no need to make it worse by adding visual flashbacks. A good song is a good song
Sometimes I forget classic who. I need to watch them, I love how he says we didn't stop for a second to say what the hell, and his first line is "will someone tell me what the hell is going on here"
Amazing edit
Ayo, i didn't know that you are a doctor who fan
2nd time I've found Kuro under a Doctor Who video, and that's just today. Utterly wild. Out of curiosity, if they were to recast Paradox with a former Doctor actor, who do you think would do the role best? I personally think Baker(both of them) or McCoy would knock it out of the park.
WAIT WHAT
That speech can also be applied to OV Ben Tennyson. He has been through so many strange things in Omniverse that in the end he became disturbingly indifferent or doesn't care anymore about something, even when his life is threatened by the Big Bang he thinks Mr. Smoothies is more important than his loved ones. "What the hell?" in fact.
The boy who used to be a goalkeeper in soccer, being popular by his classmates and learning to love with Julie...that Ben died a long time ago.
@@mayotango1317 though I have my gripes with that storyline, his friends didn’t change. Mr Smoothie did.
Sarah Jane..She will always be loved, always missed, Never Forgotten!!....RIP Our Sarah Jane!!
This dialogue was pretty much the minimum requirement needed for the obligatory nostalgia trip to mark the anniversary milestone in the sixtieth anniversary specials, and I'm glad it was just that when we had a full-on nostalgia special with the BBC sentenary special, The Power of the Doctor, the year prior.
This actually makes the whole scene better, well done
Well done, clicked on to this thinking it would not impress but it very much did and made the scene so much better, 10 out of 10.
Thank you ❤❤
I love how you added flashbacks to this scene. It just adds so much depth to the Doctor’s story.
Perfect musical choice
Sometimes Russell's writing can be cringe and sometimes it can be melodramatic and lately even fourth wall breaching in a misguided way, but then you get scenes like this that makes you forget everything else and cry for these characters that are deeply real to Russell and make them deeply real to everyone watching. That is his true magic and that is why he's where he's at now. Not every producer or writer is going to give us everything we want out of Doctor Who not any single one person will ever get everything they always want out of the show all the time. But this is the sort of thing that I get for putting up with the rest of the things I don't like during an era of Russell then I'll sit down and stop pretending to rage quit all the time and enjoy the show because my God you can't deny this is some really good s***. How he even turned the Timeless child stuff into a deeply moving moment when he empathizes with Ruby saying that he just found out recently he was adopted as well. Suddenly I felt guilty for bitching about that whole storyline for 2 years. The doctor in this show is everything as well as anything to everyone but not all at once and not all the time. It's the beauty of this program and it is exactly why it endures
Too bad the acting in this is horrendous and their getting rid of all of the doctors character🥲
I have no regrets about bitching about the Timeless Child. It was awful, changed everything we knew about the Doctor, and not in a good way. I was expecting Russell to rightfully retcon it. 😂
@@StLProgressivei think it's much more interesting for him to double down on it. Any old writer could just go "this isn't canon anymore" it takes a really impressive writer to keep it and make it worthwhile.
@@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123 You've reminded me of a Comic Con panel I saw here on TH-cam in which the discussion turned to the trend of rebooting and remaking popular movies and TV shows. One of the panelists suggested that it would show more creativity if a writer took something that stunk when it was originally produced and made it good.
I always felt like the timeless child was kind of disrespecting to the people who worked on doctor who in the past. And William the first doctor wasn't the doctor original body before he regenerated. I don't know why I felt that way I just do.
I've been rewatching and listening to all available classic and new who episodes as we wait and dear Lord! This man truly did need to rest!
I'm still not over Adric's death.
This should of been in the episode would of made it miles better
or at least as a clip on the doctor who youtube channel, cause they did a similar edit with the toymakers puppet show. that would be awesome
And it would have served better as a 60th special.
I just love hearing these old stories and actually seeing some flashbacks to them.
Thinking of the Slitheen woman's comment that the Doctor keeps travelling because he's ashamed to look back.
The Doctor really went through... a lot... all these years...
Oh, you got me tearing up at River Song. Well done. 💙
This is a very nice and emotional video, but it does make it a lot more funny how weird and out of place the Mavic Chen mention is lol
True 😂
It makes more sense in the context of the EU, as the 1st Doctor, Sara and Steven spent months on the run carrying that Taranium core around with them. And the events of Masterplan have had far reaching consequences on the other Doctors, like the 4th Doctor battling the Syndicate, or the 10th Doctor being dragged back Pre-time war and briefly travelling with Sara Kingdom’s niece.
I took that to be shorthand for the deaths of Katarina and Sara Kingdom, similar to how the devastation of Logopolis, described half the universe being destroyed.
@@stephencoppins9467Which, on the point of Logopolis, has happened again thanks to the Flux... The universe bein' widdled down like an apple. By the time the series finally ends only the Sol system will be left. lol
@@parrot998 On Trenzalore, when the Doctor's friends are watching the stars go out, my first thought was, "The voids will be closing..."
He mentioned Sarah Jane and the tears fell.
Oh just stop
Thanks so much for this, I really wish they'd put this much care into the actual anniversary specials. For a celebration of a 60 year legacy, they barely acknowledged anything from before 2008.
Even the stuff they acknowledged felt kinda bare bones. I am sad because I feel it was good opportunity to have at least all 13 doctors as puppets at the toy makers store
No, but that would’ve been amazing.
“And this Doctor was killed, by a fall?”
@@Smakka13420 "But the moment has been prepared for" "Well that's all right then!" :D
What an amazing edit, whenever I tell people about doctor who, I always so want to talk about the nuanced hel he puts himself through, but what alot of people who haven't watched him is that's just how "we" are, we are caring and very easily destroyed/destructive people, it just takes a lot of gumption to overcome.
*I will always remember when the doctor (my younger self) was me
OMG THIS IS BEAUTIFUL!!! This SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE EPISODE!!!!
I watched this video before. Never knew it was you Nardole
Now WHY rtd didn't include footage like this when doctor 15 was talking to doctor 14, I'll never know. At least it would have felt a lot more closer to home (so to speak) if they used this footage to least include past characters from the series.
Probably because it would’ve felt out of place to keep breaking up a speech
Personally I thought put on trial and exiled were referencing both trials the Doctor went through. But then Trial of a Time Lord has always been a favourite of mine.
Anyway, fantastic video, very emotional. Almost exactly what was going on in my head when I saw the episode for the first time.
I’m just sad he didn’t mention Susan…
I’m inclined to think that’s a sign…
@@danevans551 a sign?
@@danevans551 what do you mean?
Of all their companions, the first one that comes to mind is Adrick, just to show how his death affected them.
This is soo good! Really adds a lot more emotion and depth to it! 😊😊
I think the fourtheenth Doctor meets River, that's way she thought he would know her. Because she interacted with that face before.
Nice theory
Oh, yes please!
This is what was missing perfect work!
This is incredible thank u
The actor (NCUTI GATWA) he’s the one, who plays the Fifteenth Doctor.
The same guy who’s giving a speech, about the individuals who are stuck somewhere, about the individuals who that have died, and about losing fights against most of the villains they have come across.
Gorgeously made.
This is amazing and I have a tear in my eye, but I feel like if you had more Sarah Jane in it I’d be balling on the floor.
Why am I getting goosebumps
love how the doctor who channel then decides to post a video of ncuti's speech with flashbacks like why not put it in the episode?
This is excellent. One additional thing you could have added: when 15 said “put on trial” you could have flashed back to 6’s trial to show both trials the Time Lords put the Doctor on.
Good idea, buts i think they were just referring to the second doctor in the war games
@@CultOfThirteen yeah but the ambiguity makes it possible. Plus it adds more late classic representation (since they don’t mention anything for 6 which is probably the only classic Doctor not to get a reference, aside maybe 8 if you don’t count the time war for 8 and war)
@@SonicTimewarp I mean, Mel was the 6th Doctors companion
Beautiful
This is beautiful ❤️❤️
The Flux!😢
Yeah that never got resolved
Thank you.
Kinda weird Trenzalore wasnt mentioned. They spent 900 years there.
And the confession dial as well...
Awesome vid
Thanks ❤❤
This is fantastic
If this had been done in the actual story I would've died....this was beautiful 😭😭
Spectacular
I kind of liked that they had faith in the audience to remember what he was referring to
Fair. This is just a fun fan edit. That said. I doubt many casuals are remembering Mavic Chen. 😀
lordy Lordy this is beautiful!
Would have been nice to see my favourite Dr, even better had it included all of them. 3,5,6, 8 and 9.
Mel represents 6 in a way.
I love this.
Broo i just cried
This is what they should have done in the episode.
God damn so beautiful! 🎉❤
Okay, Adric was the only one that is a potential spoiler for me, but it wasn’t in any context so it’s fine. I’ll get to it soon.
In this video.
That scene works better with flashbacks well done 👏
Shame they didn’t mention 11th-12ths companions though
They’d already gotten some acknowledgment
Glad we had the puppet scene though.
Really great moment but "24 years" part is a bit against the point
"Who said you're not important? I've travelled to all sorts of places, done things you couldn't even imagine. But you two? Street corner, two in the morning, getting a taxi home. I've never had a life like that." -Ninth Doctor
"Sometimes I think a Time Lord lives too long." -Tenth Doctor
"I have seen things you wouldn't believe! I have lost things you will never understand!" -Eleventh Doctor
"I'm the Doctor, I've lived for over 2,000 years, and not all of them were good. I've made many mistakes." -Twelfth Doctor
"I've lived longer, seen more, loved more, and lost more!" -Thirteenth Doctor
Hey, great edit, man
Thanks bestie ❤❤
Doctor Who is literally space Eastenders
I’m crying 😭
🎉🎉
Okay, let's do it now. What the hell!
For the 60th anniversary it would have been nice to see these flashback. Is very odd for the 60th anniversary that the doctor didn't team up with his past and future self. That always happen in anniversary specials why didn't they do one for the 60th anniversary of doctor who?
Because its overdone. Multi doctor specials have been done so many times in the last 10 years, it's boring. The Giggle was a nice way of doing a multi Doctor special. Instead of the current doctor teaming up woth past doctors, they team up with a future Doctor.
Time lord victorious
Should have added these flashbacks in the 60th
1:50 i thought he said madame cheng (from the 13th doctor sea devil episode)
🎉🎉🎉🎉
If the 14th Doctor is so traumatized why isn't the 15th?
He got better off screen
14 heals, that's the point of this scene. 15 is telling 14 that he needs to sit back and relax instead of going on stressful adventures
@@GMeister404 Yeah but aren't they supposed to be the "same guy" who went through the same stuff?
@@maxcardun14 basically got a fuck ton of therapy and family time then turns into 15 when he regenerates (the idea of it being the exact same person that just split is cooler though)
@@just_jakey No it's just lazy writing to give an exucse to once again use the letters B and I in the same start of a word. Maybe Transfiguration, was too obvious for them.
He loves rose
It bothers me that Yaz didnt get mentioned since 14 is not even 24 hours old, 15 knows it just happened to the doctor, but river and rose get mentioned
Because 0 people care about Yaz.
Maybe it's me, but I never got the impression that the Doctor was as into Yaz as Yaz was into her.
th-cam.com/video/Y2INBe_qZFo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=bZI9ic7b8uLs0kGo -- the start of this could have been used for the "put on trial" bit
Very true, but I don’t think that’s what they were referring to ❤❤❤
Would it be considered a love triangle if theyre both the same person
Oh yes
My husband Luvic becoming the Keeper and then Traken gets destroyed 😂
Luvic should’ve been part of the pantheon of discord 😮😅
If he isn’t we riot 😂😮
And everyone calls this a bloody Reboot. Yeah right, it’s nothing of the kind
It’s mainly because it’s a different company making it, not the actual show itself
@@CultOfThirteen . They still overuse it when referring to this show as well as a few other things. It gets on my nerves.
"I loved her.."
we all did, Doctor. we all did. Rose not so much
I just can’t abide a mush-mouth Doctor.
Nah, there’s nothing wrong with his voice
Wild that Mavic Chen got a namedrop over Inferno or Peri. And they made a fuss about the Toymaker being a racially insensitive character while tacitly giving a pass to a character played by an actor in yellowface. I love this scene but it's typical RTD, great writing and the best of intentions intercut with the occasional baffling choice.
The thing is, Peri didn't actually die, and Inferno would be a bit more baffling. I'd honestly expect him to have the least amount of trauma attached to Inferno. Not exactly because it was fascist (Although that probably helps), but they helped him escape and save his universe's Earth, and he couldn't save them even if he tried.
Mavic Chen got brought up because his actions helped lead to the deaths of Katarina and Sara Kingdom, literally the first and second times a companion of his has ever died.
It's honestly my favorite callback. Scatterbrained and cold as he can get, Eleven was right in that he never forgot a face. Katarina couldn't have been with them for any more than a few days, and Sara was with them for about six months, but he still holds their memories and is a source of trauma for him.
Honestly, the only out of place one here is the Gods of Ragnarok. I'm pretty sure its because they are canonically more powerful than the Great Intelligence/Yog-Sothoth, but they didn't really...do much of anything to the Doctor? He apparently fought them in the past, and then he beat them again in their actual debut episode. RTD is totally foreshadowing them returning, but I feel like Fenric would have made more sense, considering how he had to emotionally destroy Ace to get the victory. Hell, the Black Guardian would have made more sense for the extra emphasis, considering he is basically the Actually Satan of Doctor Who.
That’s a fairly accurate summary of RTD.
Yeah. A reference to The Dalek's Master Plan makes sense. Mentioning Mavic Chen rather than Katarina or Sara Kingdom doesn't.
This scene felt like an apology to all the people who had already switched off.
Not really tbh
god the writing is awful, I am currently on series 11 and the writing blows so much. Is it worth watching now, please tell me it gets better
The show peaked with Series 10, but it does get better.
There's nothing that could save this turd of an episode.
I wouldn’t call it a turd, but it certainly wasn’t the greatest
kinda like saying "Smile" is a shit episode. It mightn't be the best, but this episode was certainly no love and monsters.
@@calculator17I stand by the face Love and Monsters is a sleeper masterpiece
Theres no way someone sat through the Chibnall era only to call this episode a turd
I'd disagree with that statement. A turd at least has some reasonable purpose for its existence.
This however has none.
The admit that 4 was in love with sarah jane hits like a damn bullet. Also i love all of this being mentioned. Old who is my love.