Here's the core difference: Glass Onion is still a murder mystery despite its unique framing. It Ends With Us, meanwhile, wants to be a drama but is lying to its audience about being a romantic comedy. Having a character gaslight the audience is one thing, but having that be the writer is completely different.
That's a great point! I think IEWO had a really great opportunity to comment on the genre of Romance/RomComs and how the volatile nature of those relationships aren't usually healthy when translated to real life. Like they almost get there considering how chill/calm Atlas is and how they are also FRIENDS! but it fails to meaningfully captilize on the deeper elements just under the surface
Glass Onion is definitely a movie that only gets better on a rewatch. My favorite part is how Bron's speech about "disruptors" is line-for-line a description of Helen's actions at the climax. And that final scene, starting with Helen breaking the first sculpture, is like watching a beautifully choreographed ballet. And the way she's posed like the Mona Lisa at the end? Perfection.
I feel knives out made me overcomplicate glass onion and I am glad that was the point. The first film made us feel we had to look at every single detail. What the characters said, little clues we would over look, the camera work, etc. everything was set up or acted like a distractor. Now Glass Onion was filled with distractors which made it interesting. At times, it felt like a character study on each character making us forget it was a murder mystery movie. And I liked how we felt like Benoit Blanc overthinking everything and doing the “it’s just dumb” line. I didn’t mind being lied to. It made it fun. But I do agree that some scenes dragged making me want to sleep through them sometimes. I also loved Janelle Monet in this movie. She and Daniel Craig were my favorites.
glass onion was great. I watched with my family and my mom actually saw what happened. She's really good with mysteries and pays hella attention. And all of us didn't catch it and we gas lit the poor lady. Her vindication when the twist happened was so deserved lol.
I still find it funny how so many 'critics' (ahem, Critikal Drinker) who willingly pay for the blue checkmark for Elon Musk ended up hating Glass Onion so much that they ironically prove the movie's themes, that sometimes people just can't accept such a blatant display of stupidity because they believe that someone in a position of power must be smart and talented.
You completely ignore the actual criticisms that destroy the message of the movie. The movie’s completely inconsistent about how smart and how stupid each character is, including it’s protagonists.
@mediadetective6104 hate to tell you this chap, but people in reality, are inconsistently intelligent, from time to time. People miss things, and catch things, people forget things, people remember random things out of nowhere. It happens literally all the time because the human brain is constantly influenced by factors outside of it from moment to moment. Expecting someone to be completely consistent, as environmental factors like stress, and anxiety play around them, is probably why so many movie critics like critical drinker sound like snobbish fools when they use the argument of "consistency" in their thinly veiled attempt to tear down a movie with underlying themes they don't agree with.
I think what pisses me off about It Ends was the marketing. The marketing stunk ass, and focused more on the twist than the film subject herself, seemingly objectifying her as a result.
Honestly,I really like glass onion because of benoit blanc. Hes such an entertaining character as a detective and I felt comforted by him. Sure,he has flaws but I really like the way he solves his mysteries and his chemistry with the suspects. I just honestly,he's my favourite movie character of all times.
Your idea about an abuse narrative that leads the protagonist to better understand what her mother went through made me think of the miniseries Maid. In this one the narrative is very upfront about the fact that the main character was in an abusive relationship with her boyfriend who she has a very young daughter with. The story follows her as she attempts to escape this situation while struggling with poverty and home insecurity. Her own mother has obvious mental issues and can't reliably support them. It's established early on that the protagonist had a very unstable childhood, as she and her mother moved around a lot and struggled to find permanent housing after the mother seperated from her dad and ran away with her when she was little. At one point the protagonist reconnects with her estranged father and he invites her and her daughter to stay with him in the house he kept after the separation. There is a twist where she uncovers a repressed memory from her own childhood, which reveals to her and the audience that the reasen her mother took her from this home was not due to the mother's erratic behaviour, but because of the father's physical violence. This recontextualizes both parents in the protagonist's eyes, as she gains empathy for her mother and realizes that she can't let herself nor her own daughter stay in her father's house any longer. It adds a lot of tension to the narrative going forward too.
That sounds really interesting. I think a lot of narratives either fail to understand parents and villainize them too much, or are overly apologetic. And I love media that explores how parents are ultimately just people who happened to have kids. They are just as prone to good and bad decisions as anyone else, and that's something a lot of media doesn't seem to really get.
You have a very different experience in knives out if you realize that Miles is the murderer early on, especially if you catch that he switched drinks. That might explain the wildly different reactions to the movie.
But in Glass onion they do hide the fact Miles switches the glasses by shooting a scene where ed Norton doesn't swap the glasses and then a scene where he does. It just makes following the mystery kind of pointless if they change the story halfway.
@@JamesGreenwood-p4c you can absolutely catch it as the real scene is the one that is shown when the moment is actually happening. It's only when people start "misremembering" that the fake scene is used
@@JamesGreenwood-p4cYes! I enjoyed the movie and thought it was fun. However, I caught a few of the times when it was lying and so the mystery ended up being really off-putting.
@@JamesGreenwood-p4cHere's the thing, though. When I watched Glass Onion the first time, I thought the same thing. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that a person's memory of events is so volatile, and therefore can be flawed and changed if you can give a convincing enough argument. I mean hell, in court, an eye-witness account is one of the weaker pieces of evidence you can have. It's great as supporting evidence, but not the main piece of evidence. Anyway, because Glass Onion clearly identities this scene as Blanc tryna remember what happen, I think it works because it's altering the memory instead of what actually happened.
Some of the only truly neutral directing/camera work I've seen was in Barry, specifically in seasons 3 and 4. Instead of making the main character seem like an anti-hero or misunderstood guy trapped by circumstances, the story plays out like a typical Breaking Bad or Sopranos while the camera work doesn't let you forgive him. It forces you to watch the entirety of his actions and find them deeply unimpressive and morally wrong, without really painting him one way or the other. It's uncomfortable to watch but impossible to look away from, and the whole time the camera feels like an emotionless window, turning the viewer into the decision maker when it comes to message and motive.
Great analysis! I actually did a video on this for Barry, but mainly looking at narrative framing vs cinematography. But you're absolutely right and BOY does that neutral framing make certain scenes way more dramatic/tense/gut wrenching than if they played it more cinematically
11:25 point! Apart from the problematic themes in her stories, a big issue that many literary criticics bring up while reviewing Colleen Hoover's books is that she often just tells what's happening rather than showing it. Even though she has managed to reduce that issue in IEWU significantly it still is an evident problem and sometimes leave readers unsatisfied. I hoped that the movie would tackle this issue, especially after its makers revealed that they aged up all the characters to make their careers more realistic.
16:00 While Saltburn is an inferior version of The Talented Mr. Ripley and does have a lot of problems with it, I would disagree with you when it comes to the end. The end is not a revelation to the audience that Ollie is a psychopath that's been planning it all out from the beginning. It is pretty obvious throughout that Ollie (a) is a psychopath that's behind the downfall of the family and (b) that he has some sort of plan. What the end is, however, is Ollie, in his narcissism, revealing to Elsmith that he is a psychopath and has been planning it all out from the beginning; though, his confession is likely a lie as he is aggrandizing himself while diminishing his prey, like real life psychopaths are known to do
I believe Saltburn only works if you consider that Oliver is a liar. The big “twist” is how he has reframed his rather pathetic relationship with the Saltburn family in his mind.
Scream came out 30 years ago next year. It is not the entire internets responsibility to keep you protected from spoilers 30 years after the movie came out.
@@Asteroids50This comment made me laugh so hard, in part because I knew immediately it was a joke, and in part because I just watched Scream for the first time, 2 weeks ago. The idea of me being angry about a movie from 30 years ago being spoiled for me, honestly tickled me. 😂
@@Asteroids50for future reference tone indicators can be helpful to prevent these types of mixups. The tone indicator for joke is /j. For sarcasm is /s. For half joke it's /hj. For serious it's /srs.
Yes! I just got the Daniel Craig 007 Collection, and while I love those movies, it's so clear that Daniel Craig is capable of more range and character. Seeing his more quirky performances in the Knives out Franchise and a few other recent films makes me so happy we're in his wacky era
I mean with Glass Onion at least they have a mystery. While it ends us pretends to be a Rom Com (along with the marketing) it's really a darker story dealing with DV and alcohol abuse .
The more I hear about the whole Baldoni/Lively lawsuit - the problem might be the version (Lively's) that has been put out. It would be interesting to see the original director's vision because they have been working on it for years prior to filming. In their lawsuit, they admit to giving Lively too much power and destroying their vision in the process. The director's cut has also tested better with the audience... edit: having said that, I don't think that the book handles the theme of DV better or the author understands the intricacies and complexities of such an important issue. Having read the book, I felt it was dealt with very superficially and also tried to almost romanticise and defend Ryle's actions and character - so agree that there was a lot more care put into the male characters but not Lily's. The characters were mostly really flat and the red flags were there from the beginning but focusing mostly on his sexiness to excuse his terrible actions, casting Lily in a very naive and dim light. Atlas as the superhero was a terrible misjudgement, because the character is not her true love, saint or saviour but the first step towards imbalanced relationships. I could rant about it a lot more, because none of it was realistic imo.
@joeiechristiansantana9641 yes, the guy that sued the woman who has a history of lying to get what she wants and take over a movie he has worked on for years, who is pandering to actual sexual abusers like Woody Allen and Harvey Weinstein, who has been terrible to pretty much all people she has worked with, who has a husband that has done similar things to take over a movie franchise. I listen to all women but I don't believe all of them. The one who wanted to let it slide until she decided that taking over the film wasn't enough, that actually killing a version of him on one of her husbands movies wasn't enough and destroying his reputation to feed her ego and narcissim needed to happen. The woman who uses a sexual assault charge to get her will and will be found out and then forever be used as an example that women lie when an actual victim will come forward. Her talking about being Khaleesi and Taylor and Ryan being her dragons should tell you all about her delusions and I believe that she said it. But I didn't believe her when she first came out with the charges either because she lost the court of public opinion with her marketing and then she accuses someone...interesting timing. Using SA accusations to try to deflect from what a shitty person you are isn't my cup of tea 😂 And yes, I would like to see his cut because he has actually spoken to survivors of DV, informed himself on the topic, put a spotlight on it, donated to DV charities instead of pretending that this movie is the fucking Barbie movie
@@hej.anneli me too, I wanna see the cut of his character having intimate dance with the younger version of Lively's character, or is that bit fake? Oh, and give it up for him showing Lively his wife's home birth. Like genuinely wild to do, even as a reference. Especially since it's apparently uncensored. Like genuinely wtf. Also also, no cast or even crew held to bat for Baldoni once the suit came. Guess the PR is just that good, that secondhand view of the situation in person made you side with Lively and not with Baloney.
@@joeiechristiansantana9641 bye girl 😂😂😂 It will be fun to see the actual footage of the movie during the suit when they show how Lively was the one who initiated contact and kept kissing him out of the script, the one who refused the intimacy coordinator only to now blame it on him that they had none. Funnily enough the Lying Woman has caused issues on every set she's ever been on, is known to be hard to work with, has made up claims about other people to get them fired or stand out in a more positive light herself, has destroyed a marriage and a relationship to get her husband and still lies about that to be the All American Good Girl and people are still falling for her act. That whole movie is a bust but yes, is rather see hiss version that actually handles DV in a nuanced manner. No, strike that. I'd love to see hil write, direct and produce a movie about narcissistic abuse starring Scarlet Johansson - because sadly he now has experience in that👌 And it's funny when you talk about the whole cast not standing up for Justin...it's almost as if she isa nepo baby, has more power and connections in Hollywood and might lure the cast with roles or threaten them with being blacklisted (her dragons if you will). Also funny that whilst Lively has had problems on every set she's ever been on, there was never an issue with Justin. But since you seem to be interested one of those people that believe that narcissistic women can't cry wolf, I'm going to say it again: bye girl 😂😂😂
A great example of tentsion. A twist should never take away tentsion even aftrer you know the twist. It shpuld add to the story that how you make a good twist.
It Ends With Us reminds me of a book I read, The Perfecr Daughter, where a woman was so involved in her mother that they were literally inseparable. Like everything had to go through the mother, including boyfriends. In the book, the daughter found a good man, helped her get back on her feet, helped her get out of her stuffy shell that her mother was holding her in. And then one twist happens and jt reveals that the boyfriend might be a bit more manipulative. The whole story is a murder mystery so the answer is so obvious but then gut punch twist 2 happens and it had me thinking about everything. While story may see standard and maybe predictable even in its twist, I still loved it because I didn't know what the protag knew, I was rooting for her and the guy because she's so happy and then boom gut punch one happened! For spoilers and anyone who wants to know: The boyfriend was a bit of a cheater who had a wife that looked...creepily similar to the protag, the brown hair and facial features. And the only way protag knew was because he died. 2nd twist, he faked his death and framed protag's mother because obvious, and then wanted to protag to be with him away from mother so they can live happier. It messed me up a bit
And then spent the whole press tour acting as she made the funniest of comedies, i really don't like her vibe, despite of whether Baldoni's accusations turn out to be true or not
@@user-mz2ne4yh2tBlake lively can be criticized but it’s worth noting that the press strategy of “don’t mention the violence just focus of her journey” was the promotion strategy she was contractually obligated to fulfill by the studio. If you look in the lawsuit in outlines the strategy (created by the studio) and she just followed the talking points exactly as they lay out. So we can blame Sony for that or argue that Blake leaned into it too much but she was following orders there. It was Justin who went off script last minute to focus on the violence and seriousness of the topic to cast himself as a sensitive and serious “ally” and make her look callous/unserious in comparison
Interesting I see these comments whenever this movie is mentioned and then Baldoni’s PR agent admitted to using bots to change the narrative in his favour. What you said doesn’t really have much to do with the video, it’s just angry at Lively saying the same criticism we saw all over Reddit. Like you didn’t watch the video lol
@goober479 Or, the more likely explanation is that a lot of people are fed up with Blake's bullshit and the way she manipulated everyone and abused the movie creator trying to hijack his movie.
To be honest in my case that I did really hated the lie in glass onion (to be honest I really disliked glass onion because I was told this was a Christie like movie when this was truly not a Christie like plot)
But I think this cut of the movie also want you to be able to like and trust Lilly so it ends up being at odds with itself. I think if they let Lilly have more flaws or be problematic in certain ways, it would make the movie much more compelling
Yknow that is a good point. I’ll admit I haven’t watched the movie It Ends With Us so I apologize if this is the case, but how much agency DID Lily have anyway. U mentioned that the movie was generally objective, but also seemed to exonerate the husband
Is there a word for the type of voice he's doing, I only hear it on youtube, it must be a youtube algorithm-chasing thing, it's so unnatural that I can't listen without hearing the cadence, no one starts every sentence with an upward tone and ends with a drop, unless on youtube. Im not judging this guy for chasing the algorithm I'm mostly wondering who started it and how did youtube find out that this apparently becomes a profitable speech pattern? Someone must know because it's clear youtubers are literally training their voices for this.
It's three words "struggles with talking". I'm really working on sounding more natural I just have a hard time with breath support and enunciation all while setting up the lighting and making sure the teleprompter is working right and a bunch of other stuff. Not training my voice to do this. Literally the opposite
Yikes glad I saw the comment about Saltburn. I haven’t seen it yet so couldn’t continue the video. Interesting analysis. I will come back to it after I see the movie.
Honestly, I really disliked Glass Onion. I know people love it, I just didn't enjoy it as a film. Benoit Blanc is great... but I figured out the plot early on and ended up feeling cheated by it, and I'm not really sure why.
I loved Knives Out but hated Glass Onion. Benoit is still a great character but Glass Onion just felt... inevitable. I didn't find it nearly as clever as it's creator thinks it is and while I didn't guess any of the twists, I also wasn't the least bit surprised by any of them because it all felt very predictable (and quite boring since I really hated all the characters and didn't much care what happened to any of them).
Tbh my issue with glass onion was that (to me at least) it tried to frame the ending as triumphant. Which I didn’t feel at all because none of the characters changed, sure the big bad was defeated but every other character gets to walk away free despite their own compliance. It’s a fun watch but didn’t emotionally resonate with me the same way Knives Out did.
@@screamitloud7923i liked glass onion because of the ending. i didn’t see it as they trying to frame it as triumphant. i saw it as helen the least powerful person in the room that wouldn’t be able to get justice through normal means deciding to give up on the game taht her sister tried to play and got her killed. she just decided to screw it with the rich stuff. she is the disrupter that myles talked about at the beginning. the last shot is her copying the mona lisa expression, one pointed out before in the movie where you don’t know what she is thinking is she sad, happy? so it’s like a bittersweet ending in my opinion.
Glass onion was such a drastic step down from knives out. A huge part of the fun of a who done it is the fact that theoretically the audience can figure it out. Taking the fun part out, it's just a dumb, bland, preachy waste of time.
the audience can figure out that myles did it. while watching the film for the first time, one of my friends realized that myles traded glasses and he pointed it out and we reversed and yeah he did do it. the movies put outs clues they are just not put attention on cause of the characters point of views
Sorry that this spoiled saltburn. I do feel like the movie is out long enough that if you're actively wanting to see it no spoilers there's been plenty of time. Also there's ten seconds plus between saying I'm gonna talk about saltburn and the spoiler which I thought would be long enough but I guess not. Theoretically I could put a visual indicator saying spoiler alert or say it aloud quickly but either way it seems like that wouldn't have given you enough time, and pausing for longer after saying spoiler alert would kill the pacing. I can't say where the line is between a 1 year old film and a film from the 90s since you don't seem mad about the scream spoiler, but i made a call that saltburn had been out long enough that people worried about spoilers would have seen it and i think the comparison adds value to my discussion. If you were planning on watching saltburn soon and i ruined that experience I apologize. While that was not my intent it seems to have been the result and I'm sorry
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial you did nothing wrong. you were right. you considered everything and made the correct choice, and were extra cautious with the pause. if they don’t know the end of saltburn by now, that means they didn’t care about it for a year and probably jus want something to gripe about.
You must be a really fantastic writer, considering all of your comments on this channel have to do with complaining about writing… Please, tell me, what is a movie that is well written? Let me guess Citizen Kane?
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial Can’t think of a single one of his movies that’s actually good or holds up under scrutiny. Only one is maybe the first Knives Out movie but it’s enjoyability mainly has to do with the cast rather than the movie’s plot or writing. Bad movies are still bad movies, no matter what year it currently is
Here's the core difference: Glass Onion is still a murder mystery despite its unique framing. It Ends With Us, meanwhile, wants to be a drama but is lying to its audience about being a romantic comedy. Having a character gaslight the audience is one thing, but having that be the writer is completely different.
That's a great point! I think IEWO had a really great opportunity to comment on the genre of Romance/RomComs and how the volatile nature of those relationships aren't usually healthy when translated to real life. Like they almost get there considering how chill/calm Atlas is and how they are also FRIENDS! but it fails to meaningfully captilize on the deeper elements just under the surface
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial They should’ve taken notes from 500 Days of Summer
Glass Onion is definitely a movie that only gets better on a rewatch. My favorite part is how Bron's speech about "disruptors" is line-for-line a description of Helen's actions at the climax. And that final scene, starting with Helen breaking the first sculpture, is like watching a beautifully choreographed ballet. And the way she's posed like the Mona Lisa at the end? Perfection.
I feel knives out made me overcomplicate glass onion and I am glad that was the point.
The first film made us feel we had to look at every single detail. What the characters said, little clues we would over look, the camera work, etc. everything was set up or acted like a distractor.
Now Glass Onion was filled with distractors which made it interesting. At times, it felt like a character study on each character making us forget it was a murder mystery movie.
And I liked how we felt like Benoit Blanc overthinking everything and doing the “it’s just dumb” line.
I didn’t mind being lied to. It made it fun. But I do agree that some scenes dragged making me want to sleep through them sometimes.
I also loved Janelle Monet in this movie. She and Daniel Craig were my favorites.
Janelle really has that on screen charisma that not every actor has!
glass onion was great. I watched with my family and my mom actually saw what happened. She's really good with mysteries and pays hella attention. And all of us didn't catch it and we gas lit the poor lady. Her vindication when the twist happened was so deserved lol.
I still find it funny how so many 'critics' (ahem, Critikal Drinker) who willingly pay for the blue checkmark for Elon Musk ended up hating Glass Onion so much that they ironically prove the movie's themes, that sometimes people just can't accept such a blatant display of stupidity because they believe that someone in a position of power must be smart and talented.
Musk worshippers must think he's a genius otherwise they wouldn't explain how an idiot got where he is and they don't
There's a reason it's Drinker and not thinker
You completely ignore the actual criticisms that destroy the message of the movie. The movie’s completely inconsistent about how smart and how stupid each character is, including it’s protagonists.
@mediadetective6104 hate to tell you this chap, but people in reality, are inconsistently intelligent, from time to time.
People miss things, and catch things, people forget things, people remember random things out of nowhere. It happens literally all the time because the human brain is constantly influenced by factors outside of it from moment to moment. Expecting someone to be completely consistent, as environmental factors like stress, and anxiety play around them, is probably why so many movie critics like critical drinker sound like snobbish fools when they use the argument of "consistency" in their thinly veiled attempt to tear down a movie with underlying themes they don't agree with.
In a way they are kinda telling on themselves by doing that lol
I think what pisses me off about It Ends was the marketing. The marketing stunk ass, and focused more on the twist than the film subject herself, seemingly objectifying her as a result.
Honestly,I really like glass onion because of benoit blanc. Hes such an entertaining character as a detective and I felt comforted by him. Sure,he has flaws but I really like the way he solves his mysteries and his chemistry with the suspects. I just honestly,he's my favourite movie character of all times.
Your idea about an abuse narrative that leads the protagonist to better understand what her mother went through made me think of the miniseries Maid. In this one the narrative is very upfront about the fact that the main character was in an abusive relationship with her boyfriend who she has a very young daughter with. The story follows her as she attempts to escape this situation while struggling with poverty and home insecurity. Her own mother has obvious mental issues and can't reliably support them. It's established early on that the protagonist had a very unstable childhood, as she and her mother moved around a lot and struggled to find permanent housing after the mother seperated from her dad and ran away with her when she was little. At one point the protagonist reconnects with her estranged father and he invites her and her daughter to stay with him in the house he kept after the separation.
There is a twist where she uncovers a repressed memory from her own childhood, which reveals to her and the audience that the reasen her mother took her from this home was not due to the mother's erratic behaviour, but because of the father's physical violence. This recontextualizes both parents in the protagonist's eyes, as she gains empathy for her mother and realizes that she can't let herself nor her own daughter stay in her father's house any longer. It adds a lot of tension to the narrative going forward too.
That sounds really interesting. I think a lot of narratives either fail to understand parents and villainize them too much, or are overly apologetic. And I love media that explores how parents are ultimately just people who happened to have kids. They are just as prone to good and bad decisions as anyone else, and that's something a lot of media doesn't seem to really get.
You have a very different experience in knives out if you realize that Miles is the murderer early on, especially if you catch that he switched drinks. That might explain the wildly different reactions to the movie.
But in Glass onion they do hide the fact Miles switches the glasses by shooting a scene where ed Norton doesn't swap the glasses and then a scene where he does. It just makes following the mystery kind of pointless if they change the story halfway.
@@JamesGreenwood-p4c you can absolutely catch it as the real scene is the one that is shown when the moment is actually happening. It's only when people start "misremembering" that the fake scene is used
@@JamesGreenwood-p4cYes! I enjoyed the movie and thought it was fun. However, I caught a few of the times when it was lying and so the mystery ended up being really off-putting.
@@JamesGreenwood-p4c They still show the truth upfront. It's Miles who is lying to the audience, not the filmmakers.
@@JamesGreenwood-p4cHere's the thing, though. When I watched Glass Onion the first time, I thought the same thing. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that a person's memory of events is so volatile, and therefore can be flawed and changed if you can give a convincing enough argument. I mean hell, in court, an eye-witness account is one of the weaker pieces of evidence you can have. It's great as supporting evidence, but not the main piece of evidence. Anyway, because Glass Onion clearly identities this scene as Blanc tryna remember what happen, I think it works because it's altering the memory instead of what actually happened.
Glass Onion: christ you are so dumb
It ends with us: Im so dumb im brillant!
Glasss Onion: NO! you re just dumb!
Some of the only truly neutral directing/camera work I've seen was in Barry, specifically in seasons 3 and 4. Instead of making the main character seem like an anti-hero or misunderstood guy trapped by circumstances, the story plays out like a typical Breaking Bad or Sopranos while the camera work doesn't let you forgive him. It forces you to watch the entirety of his actions and find them deeply unimpressive and morally wrong, without really painting him one way or the other. It's uncomfortable to watch but impossible to look away from, and the whole time the camera feels like an emotionless window, turning the viewer into the decision maker when it comes to message and motive.
Great analysis! I actually did a video on this for Barry, but mainly looking at narrative framing vs cinematography. But you're absolutely right and BOY does that neutral framing make certain scenes way more dramatic/tense/gut wrenching than if they played it more cinematically
11:25 point! Apart from the problematic themes in her stories, a big issue that many literary criticics bring up while reviewing Colleen Hoover's books is that she often just tells what's happening rather than showing it. Even though she has managed to reduce that issue in IEWU significantly it still is an evident problem and sometimes leave readers unsatisfied. I hoped that the movie would tackle this issue, especially after its makers revealed that they aged up all the characters to make their careers more realistic.
16:00 While Saltburn is an inferior version of The Talented Mr. Ripley and does have a lot of problems with it, I would disagree with you when it comes to the end. The end is not a revelation to the audience that Ollie is a psychopath that's been planning it all out from the beginning. It is pretty obvious throughout that Ollie (a) is a psychopath that's behind the downfall of the family and (b) that he has some sort of plan. What the end is, however, is Ollie, in his narcissism, revealing to Elsmith that he is a psychopath and has been planning it all out from the beginning; though, his confession is likely a lie as he is aggrandizing himself while diminishing his prey, like real life psychopaths are known to do
I believe Saltburn only works if you consider that Oliver is a liar. The big “twist” is how he has reframed his rather pathetic relationship with the Saltburn family in his mind.
15:25 woah I can’t believe you spoiled Scream. I was just about to watch that
Scream came out 30 years ago next year. It is not the entire internets responsibility to keep you protected from spoilers 30 years after the movie came out.
I know it’s hard to convey tone through text, but I was just kidding around. I was not just about to watch Scream
@@Asteroids50This comment made me laugh so hard, in part because I knew immediately it was a joke, and in part because I just watched Scream for the first time, 2 weeks ago. The idea of me being angry about a movie from 30 years ago being spoiled for me, honestly tickled me. 😂
@@Asteroids50for future reference tone indicators can be helpful to prevent these types of mixups. The tone indicator for joke is /j. For sarcasm is /s. For half joke it's /hj. For serious it's /srs.
2:53 I really enjoyed that line and it's delivery.
Yes! I just got the Daniel Craig 007 Collection, and while I love those movies, it's so clear that Daniel Craig is capable of more range and character. Seeing his more quirky performances in the Knives out Franchise and a few other recent films makes me so happy we're in his wacky era
He was sooo stressed😭😭😭
I mean with Glass Onion at least they have a mystery.
While it ends us pretends to be a Rom Com (along with the marketing) it's really a darker story dealing with DV and alcohol abuse .
i wonder how baldoni’s cut of it ends with us would’ve gone, after hearing it was blake’s that was released
The more I hear about the whole Baldoni/Lively lawsuit - the problem might be the version (Lively's) that has been put out. It would be interesting to see the original director's vision because they have been working on it for years prior to filming. In their lawsuit, they admit to giving Lively too much power and destroying their vision in the process. The director's cut has also tested better with the audience...
edit: having said that, I don't think that the book handles the theme of DV better or the author understands the intricacies and complexities of such an important issue. Having read the book, I felt it was dealt with very superficially and also tried to almost romanticise and defend Ryle's actions and character - so agree that there was a lot more care put into the male characters but not Lily's. The characters were mostly really flat and the red flags were there from the beginning but focusing mostly on his sexiness to excuse his terrible actions, casting Lily in a very naive and dim light. Atlas as the superhero was a terrible misjudgement, because the character is not her true love, saint or saviour but the first step towards imbalanced relationships. I could rant about it a lot more, because none of it was realistic imo.
The DV guy? The guy that sued Lively when he knew HE KNEW that you can't sue first without doing what she did (file a complaint first)? That guy?
@joeiechristiansantana9641 yes, the guy that sued the woman who has a history of lying to get what she wants and take over a movie he has worked on for years, who is pandering to actual sexual abusers like Woody Allen and Harvey Weinstein, who has been terrible to pretty much all people she has worked with, who has a husband that has done similar things to take over a movie franchise. I listen to all women but I don't believe all of them. The one who wanted to let it slide until she decided that taking over the film wasn't enough, that actually killing a version of him on one of her husbands movies wasn't enough and destroying his reputation to feed her ego and narcissim needed to happen. The woman who uses a sexual assault charge to get her will and will be found out and then forever be used as an example that women lie when an actual victim will come forward. Her talking about being Khaleesi and Taylor and Ryan being her dragons should tell you all about her delusions and I believe that she said it. But I didn't believe her when she first came out with the charges either because she lost the court of public opinion with her marketing and then she accuses someone...interesting timing. Using SA accusations to try to deflect from what a shitty person you are isn't my cup of tea 😂
And yes, I would like to see his cut because he has actually spoken to survivors of DV, informed himself on the topic, put a spotlight on it, donated to DV charities instead of pretending that this movie is the fucking Barbie movie
@@hej.anneli me too, I wanna see the cut of his character having intimate dance with the younger version of Lively's character, or is that bit fake?
Oh, and give it up for him showing Lively his wife's home birth. Like genuinely wild to do, even as a reference. Especially since it's apparently uncensored. Like genuinely wtf.
Also also, no cast or even crew held to bat for Baldoni once the suit came. Guess the PR is just that good, that secondhand view of the situation in person made you side with Lively and not with Baloney.
@@joeiechristiansantana9641 bye girl 😂😂😂
It will be fun to see the actual footage of the movie during the suit when they show how Lively was the one who initiated contact and kept kissing him out of the script, the one who refused the intimacy coordinator only to now blame it on him that they had none.
Funnily enough the Lying Woman has caused issues on every set she's ever been on, is known to be hard to work with, has made up claims about other people to get them fired or stand out in a more positive light herself, has destroyed a marriage and a relationship to get her husband and still lies about that to be the All American Good Girl and people are still falling for her act.
That whole movie is a bust but yes, is rather see hiss version that actually handles DV in a nuanced manner. No, strike that. I'd love to see hil write, direct and produce a movie about narcissistic abuse starring Scarlet Johansson - because sadly he now has experience in that👌
And it's funny when you talk about the whole cast not standing up for Justin...it's almost as if she isa nepo baby, has more power and connections in Hollywood and might lure the cast with roles or threaten them with being blacklisted (her dragons if you will). Also funny that whilst Lively has had problems on every set she's ever been on, there was never an issue with Justin. But since you seem to be interested one of those people that believe that narcissistic women can't cry wolf, I'm going to say it again: bye girl 😂😂😂
A great example of tentsion. A twist should never take away tentsion even aftrer you know the twist. It shpuld add to the story that how you make a good twist.
It Ends With Us reminds me of a book I read, The Perfecr Daughter, where a woman was so involved in her mother that they were literally inseparable. Like everything had to go through the mother, including boyfriends. In the book, the daughter found a good man, helped her get back on her feet, helped her get out of her stuffy shell that her mother was holding her in. And then one twist happens and jt reveals that the boyfriend might be a bit more manipulative. The whole story is a murder mystery so the answer is so obvious but then gut punch twist 2 happens and it had me thinking about everything. While story may see standard and maybe predictable even in its twist, I still loved it because I didn't know what the protag knew, I was rooting for her and the guy because she's so happy and then boom gut punch one happened!
For spoilers and anyone who wants to know:
The boyfriend was a bit of a cheater who had a wife that looked...creepily similar to the protag, the brown hair and facial features. And the only way protag knew was because he died.
2nd twist, he faked his death and framed protag's mother because obvious, and then wanted to protag to be with him away from mother so they can live happier. It messed me up a bit
loves this analysis, very on point!
Thank you!
I just wonder if It Ends with Us dis it better in Justin's iriginal verion before Blake hired people ro cut her own version.
Blake Lively changed a lot of the original script, she wanted her character to look stronger despite the movie being about domestic violence.
And then spent the whole press tour acting as she made the funniest of comedies, i really don't like her vibe, despite of whether Baldoni's accusations turn out to be true or not
@@user-mz2ne4yh2tBlake lively can be criticized but it’s worth noting that the press strategy of “don’t mention the violence just focus of her journey” was the promotion strategy she was contractually obligated to fulfill by the studio. If you look in the lawsuit in outlines the strategy (created by the studio) and she just followed the talking points exactly as they lay out. So we can blame Sony for that or argue that Blake leaned into it too much but she was following orders there. It was Justin who went off script last minute to focus on the violence and seriousness of the topic to cast himself as a sensitive and serious “ally” and make her look callous/unserious in comparison
Interesting I see these comments whenever this movie is mentioned and then Baldoni’s PR agent admitted to using bots to change the narrative in his favour.
What you said doesn’t really have much to do with the video, it’s just angry at Lively saying the same criticism we saw all over Reddit. Like you didn’t watch the video lol
@@goober479 It does feel like Baldoni's PR team is everywhere. They must be paid a fortune.
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Or, the more likely explanation is that a lot of people are fed up with Blake's bullshit and the way she manipulated everyone and abused the movie creator trying to hijack his movie.
Holy Christmas sweater arc
To be honest in my case that I did really hated the lie in glass onion (to be honest I really disliked glass onion because I was told this was a Christie like movie when this was truly not a Christie like plot)
It Ends With Us feels like it's tryna do what Girl on the Train did with unreliable narrator and visual language
But I think this cut of the movie also want you to be able to like and trust Lilly so it ends up being at odds with itself. I think if they let Lilly have more flaws or be problematic in certain ways, it would make the movie much more compelling
Yknow that is a good point. I’ll admit I haven’t watched the movie It Ends With Us so I apologize if this is the case, but how much agency DID Lily have anyway. U mentioned that the movie was generally objective, but also seemed to exonerate the husband
Is there a word for the type of voice he's doing, I only hear it on youtube, it must be a youtube algorithm-chasing thing, it's so unnatural that I can't listen without hearing the cadence, no one starts every sentence with an upward tone and ends with a drop, unless on youtube. Im not judging this guy for chasing the algorithm I'm mostly wondering who started it and how did youtube find out that this apparently becomes a profitable speech pattern? Someone must know because it's clear youtubers are literally training their voices for this.
It's three words "struggles with talking". I'm really working on sounding more natural I just have a hard time with breath support and enunciation all while setting up the lighting and making sure the teleprompter is working right and a bunch of other stuff. Not training my voice to do this. Literally the opposite
Yikes glad I saw the comment about Saltburn. I haven’t seen it yet so couldn’t continue the video. Interesting analysis. I will come back to it after I see the movie.
Honestly, I really disliked Glass Onion. I know people love it, I just didn't enjoy it as a film. Benoit Blanc is great... but I figured out the plot early on and ended up feeling cheated by it, and I'm not really sure why.
It’s one of those movies I love but don’t really recommend to most people
@@EJD339 i much prefer knives out to glass onion lol
I loved Knives Out but hated Glass Onion. Benoit is still a great character but Glass Onion just felt... inevitable. I didn't find it nearly as clever as it's creator thinks it is and while I didn't guess any of the twists, I also wasn't the least bit surprised by any of them because it all felt very predictable (and quite boring since I really hated all the characters and didn't much care what happened to any of them).
Tbh my issue with glass onion was that (to me at least) it tried to frame the ending as triumphant. Which I didn’t feel at all because none of the characters changed, sure the big bad was defeated but every other character gets to walk away free despite their own compliance. It’s a fun watch but didn’t emotionally resonate with me the same way Knives Out did.
@@screamitloud7923i liked glass onion because of the ending. i didn’t see it as they trying to frame it as triumphant. i saw it as helen the least powerful person in the room that wouldn’t be able to get justice through normal means deciding to give up on the game taht her sister tried to play and got her killed. she just decided to screw it with the rich stuff. she is the disrupter that myles talked about at the beginning. the last shot is her copying the mona lisa expression, one pointed out before in the movie where you don’t know what she is thinking is she sad, happy? so it’s like a bittersweet ending in my opinion.
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THOSE are movies that reveal the truth. Most movies lie.
No...
I agree lie trailer it money not message joker heath ledger quite
Best take
Glass onion was such a drastic step down from knives out. A huge part of the fun of a who done it is the fact that theoretically the audience can figure it out. Taking the fun part out, it's just a dumb, bland, preachy waste of time.
Exactly this, including the fact the movie is inconsistent about the intelligence of all of its characters which destroys the story’s message
That is a funny comment because Agatha Christie's novels are famous for lying to their audience and not being able to be figured out by the reader.
the audience can figure out that myles did it. while watching the film for the first time, one of my friends realized that myles traded glasses and he pointed it out and we reversed and yeah he did do it. the movies put outs clues they are just not put attention on cause of the characters point of views
what is "preachy" about it?
Well, thanks for spoiling Saltburn on a video that's not even about Saltburn.
Thanks for posting this comment. I was enjoying the video and saw the comment so stopped watching it. I will come back to it.
Sorry that this spoiled saltburn. I do feel like the movie is out long enough that if you're actively wanting to see it no spoilers there's been plenty of time. Also there's ten seconds plus between saying I'm gonna talk about saltburn and the spoiler which I thought would be long enough but I guess not.
Theoretically I could put a visual indicator saying spoiler alert or say it aloud quickly but either way it seems like that wouldn't have given you enough time, and pausing for longer after saying spoiler alert would kill the pacing.
I can't say where the line is between a 1 year old film and a film from the 90s since you don't seem mad about the scream spoiler, but i made a call that saltburn had been out long enough that people worried about spoilers would have seen it and i think the comparison adds value to my discussion.
If you were planning on watching saltburn soon and i ruined that experience I apologize. While that was not my intent it seems to have been the result and I'm sorry
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial you did nothing wrong. you were right. you considered everything and made the correct choice, and were extra cautious with the pause. if they don’t know the end of saltburn by now, that means they didn’t care about it for a year and probably jus want something to gripe about.
Sorry, I cant watch the vid. The names alone have overcringed me into leaving, will check something else out.
lol people still watch Rian Johnson's trash?
Being mad at rian Johnson is aggressively 2017. Do better
One man's trash another man's treasure
You must be a really fantastic writer, considering all of your comments on this channel have to do with complaining about writing…
Please, tell me, what is a movie that is well written? Let me guess Citizen Kane?
@@TheWritersBlockOfficial Can’t think of a single one of his movies that’s actually good or holds up under scrutiny. Only one is maybe the first Knives Out movie but it’s enjoyability mainly has to do with the cast rather than the movie’s plot or writing. Bad movies are still bad movies, no matter what year it currently is
@@mediadetective6104 I like a lot of his films, but I think I would single out Brick as a near-perfect homage to 1940s-style film noir.