Sorry, i haven't watched till the end (yet). But my thoughts were.... "Dude. I just bought my first APS-C. Did I buy the wrong camera to start with?" But i will learn a lot with this camera to start with. Lets see what the future brings..
Ahm I'm sure you need it just can't afford it that's probably the best order of the words ahah I'm sure once your workflow with bigger clients grows you will get one. Unless you just stick to TH-cam video making only
IMHO, Micro 4/3rds is the best choice, and the number one reason: I can use M4/3, APS-C and Full-Frame lenses on my LUMIX M4/3 body. Also, if you’re a pro photog, carrying multiple full frame and APS-C bodies is a huge PITA. I can carry my 3 M4/3 bodies and all of the lenses I need in a small bag without it being too bulky or too heavy.
for me, the price of the camera is not the problem. The problem is the difference in the cost of lenses. APSC lenses are 3 or 4 times cheaper. If i want to change to full frame, not only do i have to buy a full frame camera, but i also have to buy at least 4 lenses: ultra wide zoom, ultra wide prime for astro, 24-75 lens and a telephoto lens. All of that is going to cost at least 5000 dollars.
@@JorisHermans, there are a lot of companies in the FF market, so it will be hard for Fuji to be concurrent. Also, Fuji has APSC and MF. I think two lineups are enough
@@JorisHermans I don't think so. They already have aps-c and medium format. With full-frame, they'd just get a lot of competition, while aps-c and medium format are markets they can dominate.
Fujifilm focuses on APS-C and offers large format if you want more megapixels (50 or 100). I'm very happy with the small size of my Fuji X-E3 compared to the DSLR i had before. With the 70-300mm and a 1.4x teleconverter, i can get 600mm full frame equivalent in a very small and lightweight way. It fits perfectly in the Peak Design Everyday Sling V2 6L and you can also fit 2 additional primes. I never considered full frame.
Well, I don't think that full frame cameras are getting cheaper and are getting closer in price to APS-C, let's compare similar cameras from one manufacturer, e.g. Sony FX-30 and FX3, price x2, same with lenses. I think APS-C will be more popular for a long time due to its price and weight.
I am shooting full frame, because I am also shooting on film and I want to interchange my lenses and use vintage lenses too . If you want to go with APS you maybe should go with Fujifilm, because they put their best into their aps lenses and they are really great in build quality. Larger sensors do not catch more light, nor produce more bokeh, if the light is projected without waste of projected field , outside the sensor, but focus it on it. It is a matter of optics, but full frame gives option to pack bigger pixels so it is another advantage.
The Canon EOS C70 is still a Super 35 APSC camera, but it costs more than the full-frame Canon EOS R5. You know that all digital projectors in iMAX cinemas do not reach 4K resolution because their image size is 2048x1080 pixels? Then why do you buy 4K TV cameras and shoot in 4K for TH-cam? What is important for an image is its essence, not its technical characteristics.
C70 has a special type of sensor with over 16 stops of dynamic range. So that's the main reason for the cost difference and a big reason for the smaller sensor
My advice for photographers who are debating the sensor size and have a tight budget, is to buy the best used full frame mirrorless camera body they can afford while still having enough to buy some fast prime lenses. My assumption is that people who are drawn to the idea of using a real camera and not just their iPhone is that they are attracted to the art of photography. So I would strongly suggest that they look at vintage and modern fully manual lenses. Now that full frame has been around for a while, the used market is fairly interesting.
Price and size remains a huge advantage to APS-C, and the latest APS-C sensors (such as those in Fuji bodies) support up to 40 megapixels and produce results stunningly close to full frame sensors that for many it just doesn't make sense to use full frame.
As long as the chase for the latest and greatest keeps people dumping their perfectly good and cinema quality equipment at bargain prices on the second hand market, I’m all for it 😁
I use them both: Fullframe for lowlight and milky way, APS-C for wildlife and hiking. I think, there will be a place für both formfactors in future, too.
For APSC cameras to be rendered obsolete 2 things will need to happen: 1 Full Frame cameras will have to get far less expensive than they are now, they will have to come down to a price point that is comparable to APSC cameras. 2 Camera makers will need to start making full frame cameras that can perform BOTH functions (that can serve as full frame, and APSC), and PERFORM BOTH FUNCTIONS WELL! Yes I am aware that there are full frame cameras on the market that double as APSC but they don't perform both functions well, they fall short on the APSC side. For example there is a Canon model (I can't recall which one it is), Full Frame that doubles as an APSC camera, 50 megapixel, but when in APSC mode it goes down to 19 megapixel, you get less than half of the sensor's total resolution when using it in APSC mode, that is absolute garbage! Honestly I don't see full frame as that much of a trade up, If I ever did decide to switch from APSC, I'm going MEDIUM FORMAT! I'm not jealous of photographers who have full frame cameras, I'm jealous of the ones who have MEDIUM FORMAT cameras, that would be a serious trade up! How exciting that would be, to work with a Fuji, or a Hasselblad camera! It's just tragic that the selection of lenses for those cameras is so limited. Past APSC, sensor size does not really make that much difference UNTIL YOU GET TO MEDIUM FORMAT, that's where you really see the difference, particularly in dynamic range. If I'm hired to shoot a wedding, or party, or some other type of event like that, I am very confident that I will get great shots for the client with my 90D camera. APSC cameras have numerous advantages over full frame, lighter weight, less expensive, many like Canon 90D, and R7 now have higher resolution sensors than a lot of full frame cameras, superior zoom range (except for Micro4/3 but that's smaller than I am willing to go), etc.....
Everything has a place in market Arri just put the best sensor and latest color science on a S35 the ARRI ALEXA35 I'm freelance filmmaker 1st ac and i work with different cameras From high end arri and vencie 1 and 2 all the REDs to sony fx3-6- and 9 (I own a Fujifilm xh2s which i love it ) Anyway from all fhe cameras i worked with the one I'm more excited to work with is the alexa 35 it's just a pleasure to watch the monitor when i pull focus . Truth is with any camera with decent spec from the past 5~7 years anyone can shoot a Hollywood movie And imagine will look great ( the creatoe uses very high dynamic range situ which the fx3 shines and compensate with sgi for the weak parts ) S35 Full frame 65mm They will stick around for a long time And I'm sure fuji is going to catch-up with it's medium format ( I've tested the GFX 100 MKII great but not yet there ) next gen I'm sure they will figure out to read the whole sensor without corp all that 102 megapixels
Not completely related to your video, but you do mention it. Why does every single video on YT that mentions the FX3 (I am yet to find one that doesn't) focus on The Creator using the FX3 but never focus on the glass they used on that camera? As somebody who has been taking pictures since the early 80s, I learned very quickly that a nice camera with functions was great, but the glass you put on that camera was more important. I see people on a daily basis say on TH-cam "Buy the FX3 and your films will look exactly like The Creator". No they won't. There is WAAAAAYYY more to it lol. Cheers
It's the ultra wide lens utility that decides if you're into landscapes. You'll never get ultra wide 14mm for example, let alone 12mm on an aps-c camera and lens simply because when you crop out you'll be starting with respectively, 9mm, 8mm which, ostensibly, is fish eye lens territory. I think a 10mm aps-c lens offers you 15mm as the very best you can do with an aps-c. And while 15mm is going to cover you for what, 80% - 90% of your wide shots - it eats you missing out on that slightly wider field of view.
I use both a Canon R5 and Fuji XT5 systems for work and, IMHO, the Canons take the win for absolute image quality in most conditions and the Fuji system wins for cost and weight. Both have, in megapixels if nothing else, gone beyond what's required by my employers. Also, while I don't think there's any substitute in the Fuji world for the Canon EF85 1.2L for bokeh and feel wide open, Canon can't get close to the range of quality, light weight and beautiful to use prime lenses like the 28 1.8, 35 f2 and 50 f2. Thanks for the video - it's a great topic.
As long as one has enough light, any sensor size, even the 1-inch bridge types like Sony RX10/RX100, works just fine. Even 1/2.3" types take good pictures in good light. It's only in failing light where sensor size comes into play and the larger sensor size has the advantage.
I just saw The Creater on ScreenX yesterday. And omg it was amazing!!!... As a first time cinematographer who's interested in the FX30... (mainly because I can't afford the FX3) this APS-C vs Full Frame debate really does scare me... I want to buy the FX30 in a month or 2... But If I buy it... Would it even be worth it within the next year or so?... Idk now.
Check Fuji X-H2 (if you need 8k) and X-H2s (if you need a better rolling shutter). Fuji X-H2(s) has Apple ProRes internal, Flog2. These cameras are awesome if you planning to use them with cinema lenses.
@@KristophTy really? It's all over TH-cam is even better then the RED comodo Better highlights good colors noise cleans up very easy pro res internal 6.2k open gate It's the best for both world's for photography and video no compromise in any It's a stacked sensor so it reads super fast s and you almost don't feel the rolling shutter
I saw a video some days ago that tackles this issue.. and technology progressing to evolve the quality of small sensors is over the roof, because of smartphones, that's why the gap between ff and APSC is closing really fast. Shure the FF hype is still going, but they must bring something extra back to the table cause the gap is closing fast. The lens market is also a big part both of the problem and the solution, cause of quality vs price. So, APSC is not going anywhere I think, except forward. Great video as always! edit: found it: th-cam.com/video/_fOh2LiCc84/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UENbVrvg3Qme1yl0
Exactly. And I've seen videos, from a big-ish channel, talking about how "It's over. APS-C has won. Full frame has lost." I'm close to being able to upgrade to full frame, too. This "evolution", was obvious to any regular consumer., because of the flood of full frame systems, in the used market, and it's great for us!
Ok, I watched first. LOL! As with any technology, manufacturers over time can produce higher quality products for less and less. Just look at the prices of televisions over the years. When I bought my camera about 2 1/2 years ago full frame was way out of my budget. So, I bought a barely used X-T3 after some very patient research and shopping time. Now, there are FF cameras that have prices close to that of the new Fuji cameras. But, the other variable that led me to my X-T3 at the time was the difference in the price of lenses. That is something that hasn't come down in price. High end FF lenses are still very expensive. Recently, third party companies like Sigma, Tamron and Viltrox have been pushing the envelope with their offerings. So, things may even out soon. We'll have to wait and see. Right now, because of lens prices I'm not able to see an ability to move to FF yet. Maybe in a year or two I'll be able to get a nice used body and hopefully lenses as well. Have a great day!
I have both FF and Super35 cams - but my Super35 goes everywhere - the lighter smaller lenses are so fantastic in on-the-go shooting- especially in situations where a larger rig would draw too much attention (or not be allowed). The image quality of Super35 is plenty good for anything short of IMAX - and the fact that Arri's Latest/Greatest is Super35 IMHO says it ALL!!
There's obviously a shift towards full frame, but brands are still not giving up small sensors (Arri Alexa 35, Sony A6700). Also Sony and third-party brands made a lot of aps-c lenses in the recent years and I honestly feel like I have plenty of choice, both in zooms and primes. Even anamorphic lenses are still dropping for small sensors !
I think, if we do talk pure cinema cameras l, full frame is going to be the way. But APSC / Super 35 and also M4/3 still will be interesting. Cost is one thing, event though full frame cameras are cheaper they are not cheap. An R6 is 1k more expensive than an R7. And also size of bodies and lenses have to be factored in. On top of that a crop factor sometimes is needed or better, depending on what you are shooting. Let’s see, I am sure we are going to find out 😂🙏🏻
You are right. I am in the fuji system. XT4 and Xh2s. There are soooo many good options for good lenses in the full frame system. It's way easier to get bokeh with full frame. Even the budget anamorphic lenses are for full frame are more cinematic. Look at the perfomance...fujis AF and IBIS is behind Sony...still. apsc sensor feels very niche nowadays.
We're not talking cinema cameras here.. just pro-consumer ones: For example, my APS-C EOS 90D is 32 Megapixels and my full frame EOS 6D II is 26 Megapixels. Both deliver excellent IQ... so the question at the moment is: Do I need crop factor or not for the next shot or video? (Low light comparison capabilities is a bridge that I yet to check out). - They still need to add night vision and infrared to their camera builds.... Still waiting.
Full frame lenses are bulky and very expensive. Canon and Sony too will realise it. APSC will grow. Currently companies just want to cash upon the full frame because there is an opportunity to sell for some time.
What do you think about the Sony ZVE1? I'm thinking about getting my first full frame camera and since zve1 has the same sensor of a7siii and fx3, I can have the same image quality of them to shot my short films. You think worth it? Really considering it 😅😅😅
I found a sony a6700 for $1400 body only, so I do not know if I should go with it because it is APS-C Was thinking of pairing it with a Viltrox 13mm f1.4
@@Real_Jay_KayI ended up getting it. Strongly not recommended Viltrox if you do not have a studio to make videos at home because it is very wide and kind of heavy and twice the price of some other lenses. You do not need that much quality if you do not have a good lighting and background. As for the a6700, it is just fine, maybe I should have gone with a lower end camera and higher end lens, but it is ok for now.
@@aleksdeveloper698 thanks mate! Yea im debating between a7 iii and this a6700. Can only afford one lens with it for now and I'm thinking of Tamron 17-28mm f/2.8. I do have some lights in my home for a diy studio setup. So you think a6700 is not good in lowlight conditions for shooting video? Is it a problem with the wide lens?
No, I don't think APSC is going to die off, because for content creators and hobbist are still a great choice. They are still the cheaper, smaller and lighter camera than fullframe. Many people by them. Also, look at Fuji. I don't think they will build a fullframe system in a few years. That would take much time and they are selling their APSC cameras like crazy.
I don't know how else to explain this to people. It's not a money issue, I make plenty of money. I just don't NEED full frame. I'm a hobbyist, and I'm pretty sure we outnumber the pros. I actually have no problem with APS-C. I like how small the lenses are. Less sensor equals less glass. We just have very different priorities.
I was standing inside Adorama when the 1st fx30 landed in the store while trading in my Ursa. I was about to buy a FX3 then this fx30 popped up at half the price. The cam expert salesguy Avi said they are pretty much the same but you will lose some depth of field. Thats all I needed to hear. I bought the FX3.
What is actually sad about APSC shows up when the brands don't provide good glasses to the line, just for a second imagine if for example Sony were making GM Glass for APSC, but no.. the best quality and glasses of each brand just goes to Full Frame Bodies. APSC will be always there, specially for those who work for long ranges.
Joris (God - That is funny man) how are you man? The price is dropping for full frame it is still on the higher side for many I would say. I came over from M43 (Panasonic GH5), and I loved that camera, truly did. What drove me a bit nuts the focus was not reliable and low light as an issue at times. So I made the leap to Sony & Full-Frame (felt a bit like I was cheating) with an A1 & A7Siii and bunch of GM lenses. The change has been great! I still have a sweet spot and love for M43 system. The Black Magic Pocket 6K is smaller sensor size, right, anyone? The footage out of that is beautiful, I think it is. Boris what do you think? You are a Resolve software user as well right? I need to learn Resolve. My friend who makes movies is using the Sony FX30, I got to be honest the footage is solid. DOF is less but outside of that man it looks real good. Have you used the FX30 yourself. As I am writing you I think it would be great if you had a live stream program or if you had a program where you invited a select number of videographers and just did round table open discussion about film, video, etc. Could be super neat and if you do that man I want in:) Panasonic & OM is keeping the smaller frame still alive & Fuji Film is all in in APS-C & medium format. I do not see any of these systems (M43 or APS-C) going away soon since the market is there. Just my 2 cents.
Arri's latest camera is Super-35. Also, RED V-Raptor, Komodo X. Canon C300III, C70. You can probably stop freaking out. Filmmakers aren't immune to jumping on trends, but there will always be discerning artists and craftspeople who will choose smaller formats when it's appropriate for the stories they want to tell (I think so, anyway)
Imagine if they made some video cameras in Hasselblad format at 8k-12k. Pair that with a 1.5x anamorphic lens for that perfect univisium 2:1 goodness and even MORE of a low-light beast. Think that would qualify as the digital equivalent to 70mm true IMAX?
Check out the Fujifilm GFX100 II. It has a medium format sensor with a size like Hasselblad (43.8mm x 32.9mm), supports video recording at 4K/60p, 8K/30p, FHD/120p 4:2:2 10-bit Internal ProRes Recording, F-Log2 for wider dynamic range of 14+ stops. With external recorder it can record 12-bit Apple ProRes RAW. It has in-body optical image stabilization, fast auto focus and can shoot photos with 102 megapixels. It only costs 7,500$ while the Hasselblad X2D 100C costs 8,200$. But 65mm IMAX film is wider! The ARRI ALEXA 65 has a sensor size of 54.12mm x 25.59mm. Same hight as their LF ("large format", similar to full frame), but wider. You can't even buy it, only rent. Interestingly, other IMAX-certified cameras like Sony Venice CineAlta 6K (40,000$) has a full frame sensor.
@@davidak_de I meant the even bigger 53.4x40 Hasselblad, but regardless of that, I can't afford any of those. My budget and needs stop at M4/3 and 2.7k 30fps/1080p 60fps. Is there anything like that that's also good for pics with the video side being biased towards vlogging?
i have a canon rebel t3i and its kind of a great camera still. i would use super 35/aps-c for a short film cause its what i'm used to, but full frame is literally insanely cool. it's interesting that ARRI is switching to full frame, too.
Definitely some good points to ponder. There definitely seems to be a shift happening, but not totally. I think brands like Canon and Nikon were trying to push out their full frame cameras, especially for photographers for 2 reasons. It's the pros they were hoping would upgrade from DSLR to mirrorless. And they were hoping influencers and pro shooters would (and have) gone into a more video space. But now that we've had these cameras out for a few years and a lot of people have made that switch, you're seeing cameras like the R7, R8, and R10 come out for those pro-sumer and beginner shooters. Sony just released the A6700 with tons of great video specs. Even going bigger, Fuji released that absolute banger XH2S and now the GFX 100 II (I get to play with that on Thursday. I'm nerding out a little with my excitement). But even their xt4 has some amazing video specs on their APSC body and the Lumix GH6 is a stellar camera for video with that one sensor no one can remember. Oh yeah, micro 4/3 😜😂. Honestly, at this point, it's mostly just very subjective as to what feels more comfortable in your hands and for editing after.
Aps-c well always be here bro, don't sweat it, its about, at the end of the day, how the quality is regardless, and the look. I have a 6d full frame and a pentax k7, im a Cinematography for 10 plus years and have done industry projects and its the pilot, not the plane, (top gun maverick reference) aps-c , they will never retire it, its more than effective and I think these different camera companies still like money, 😂📸👍 i use 50mm 1.4, 50mm f2 , 18-55mm zoom, so versatile that lens, and the over kill moster, the 50mm 1.2. All of these lenses pull in more than enough light, which im sure you know already, your very good, so the aps-c sensor size is more than adequate in producing beautiful pics and video for films, events , etc...... Aps-c is going no where bro, trust me, i think you know deep down Also its not going anywhere. Money alone will keep it here forever, that market makes tons of money for these camera companies, there not giving it up, they would have to lay people off 😂 but don't get me wrong, full frame is a boss, just a different kind of boss compared to aps-c , they both produce beautiful results, we can both agree on that,👍📸 love the video brother, Keep rocking out 👊
I think the craze over full frame for video production is coming to an end, I´ve been seeing many people sellign their FX3, FX6 and Canon cameras to get a Red Komodo X that is Super35. The same is happening in the top end with the Arri cameras, most projects are been shot with the Alexa 35 than the XL and 65. I think the main reason is that for video sensor size is not as important as in photography and you get a lot of perks like global shutter and a wider lens options on S35 that give advantage to the format. So it´s a good thing because now you can get amazing full frame video cameras like the FX3 and FX6 for very cheap.
Global shutter is coming to the other FF Sony cameras after the a9iii. You need RF mount lens (which is a full frame lens) for the Komodo to have auto focus. So I think super 35 or full frame….it really depends, but I do agree that most people don't really care, they just want the 'best' camera.
Well, you remember when our grandad’s by vehicle is only to take them to point a to b. Then mfg start to make vehicle with tremendous music sound system, heater sit’s etc, because new generation change. Cameras manufactures are not different, but I believe decades ago cameras are only 35mm for years then show up the dlsr and big business for the industry, eventually I believe they (manufactures) come with only one type of sensor or two.
APS-C will take over, things are changing rapidly I give you an example do you remember v8 engines ? then v6 and now v4 unless you want to tow a car or boat then go for the v8. look at the smart phones with their cameras and now with Ai coming who knows what will happen . the bottom line can clients see the difference ? That's why Sony is producing APS-C because that's what is taking over .
Sensor size shmensor size, who cares. Use the camera and glass that makes you happy and makes you wanna shoot and gives you the look you want. I love my FujiXPro3 rangefinder style camera and there's nothing else like it in FF (not even Leica).
love it - I got the most insane deal on a complete Kitted out BMP6kPRo - then THE NEXT DAY the announcement was dropped re: Cinema6k- I had fomo for about 15 minutes, then remained completely stoked about the purchase. I doubt Super35 will go anywhere anytime soon, and if my projects require the FullFrame, then I'll hit the rental houses. But I don't disagree at all with the evolution@@JorisHermans
For youtube videos and streaming videos, m4/3 sensor is good enough. For example Panasonic GH4 is the most bang for the buck. For independent filmmakers I think apsc sensor is the best especially if you considered lenses as part of the gear cost. For full frame camera, Panasonic s5iix, is the best bang for the money.
Great vid. I saw the same BTS on The Creator and yeah, they like the fx3 for the same reasons we like it. Super light and portable with great low light.
Arri Alexa 35 entered the chat 🤣 Not to mention full no matter how hard anyone tries looks like crap for movies due to the shallow depth of field. Just watching blurry meeses each new movie that comes out using one. If people think its better 🤷🏾♂️ I can't stand looking at movies, shows, etc and they just missing and shifting focus a lot. S35 is superior for a reason, otherwise just film on 75mm. The industry is going to try shoving full frame down peoples throats. It just doesn't look good for cinema or TV. It doesn't look good for youtubers either. Full Frame pretty much just looks good on a print. The Batman made good use out of the blurs by making the frames dirty. What they also did was use lenses with sharp center focus, blurred on the edge, so its almost like the blur is framing back to S35. Reminds me of when TV needed those blurry side bars. Except The Batman blended it. Like why are we doing this?
I've lived long enough to have been told HD is a gimmick and it won't catch on as file sizes are way too big and the image isn't that good that the human eye can see the difference. I didn't need a full frame camera until I bought one.. OMG what a difference!. Low light? Pft.. what low light? Ok, short DOF is at times a real pain, but its worth the hassle for the clearly superior imagery and lower ISO's. I own a s35 4k Zcam and it's become the B cam. Wide shots for interviews and nothing much else. Don't get me wrong, the zcam is an awesome camera, IMHO better than the BMD cams, it's just not as good as the R5. I had a Sony full frame which was great, but my R5 is the clear winner for doco work. and not by a little bit.. Even my wife can see the difference and she shoots happy snaps on her phone! 😂 For movies?.. hmmm.. the slightly softer image of the s35 sensor is maybe more suitable, more "cinematic." But FF 8k for scifi would be cool! (Art department will have to step up)😂
Full frame need colour grading to look very beautiful I believe that I love full frame because it shows big resolution of picture everything and need software colour grading that it but it look very beautiful in colour grading software the true is me I will use my things with colour grading software but those who will not use colour grading software will have to use apsc camera .but full frame I love bit rate everything is clear and show but used of colour grading that it it done as good quality picture but full frame is good and colour grading software is needed that it I believe it sounds good too better.
MAGIC Lenses of panavision or vintage lenses must continue to life for the hollywood touch in movies,Camera makers are in wrong way if they quit APSC manufacturing....
Dear god on your channel, sorry for the lower case g but, well, I've never knelt/kneeled down much. 😉😁🤣 Ah, you are too much! My vote here doesn't count near as much as your vote ignored by all the biggie camera mfgs but I've already solved this issue last year when I went FF/mirrorless with the Sony a7IV Hybrid❗ Well, wait a minute. As I remember now, it has a dark sister living within who goes by the name of s35/APS-C and, to appease her, one of my lenses is the Tamron 11-20mm f2.8 APS-C lens. Well, "Hybrid" was supposed to mean Photo/Video but I now know it also means FF/APS-C. Your rant, er, informative video, here didn't mention an important factor: Camera Software! Did you hear the trumpet in the background? My a7IV is so smart it lets the dark sister pop out anytime she wants to and start fooling with my lens. Thank goodness, she can't touch my other 2 longer lenses, or can she?! I truly don't know because the camera is smarter than I am.
Ehn... If you don't have the money to go all in on FF you're stuck buying out of date - 5+ yr old camera bodies and 3rd party glass to keep costs within reasonable levels all the while wishing you could buy the newest shiny thing thats released. The 'push' you feel to FF is marketing and I guess its working. TH-camrs will tell you quality glass has the most effect on IQ and then get people to buy 6+yr old FF camera bodies and slap 3rd party lenses on it to get in at a reasonable price floor. I make good money for Canada and I'm not chasing this dragon anymore. Strongly considering going from Sony to Fuji and being able to buy high quality glass, multiple bodies if I want to do video and photography or weddings ect and upgrade more often if I choose.
I have to agree - there is such a noticeable push towards full-frame these days.... I'm just going to wait in the wings and see what happens 🙄🤣 And while I am waiting I will most definitely be planning a trip to both "Videoland" AND "Photographyland" ... where did you say they were again? Ahh yes...."over there" 🤣. Excellent as always - cheers, Joris 🙏🤘
APS-C format is expanding. Large format is expanding. The only format which is NOT expanding is the Full Frame market - Full frame will remain more or less the same as it slowly loses ground to those other two formats. Photographers are in two camps: Those who know virtually nothing about photography, and whose main camera is an iPhone camera, and the photographers who are professionals, or who have at least had substantial professional experience at one time or another. The supposedly serious amateur photographer as in the old days of "Pop Photo" of the 1970's are a dying species.
Every manufacturer have their own draw backs and believe their own hype, the question is will you and choose one and just make good content or what you not what others consider is good content. The day where we don't care what others think is the day we'll all be finally free, an ex once told me, of course I didn't listen 😂😜🤪❤
The only consumer apsc cameras worth really talking about are the fujis. The thing is to get what the xh2s offers in full frame you’ll be spending easily double to get a little better low light performance / more background blur… that fx3 doesn’t do prores internally and I like prores. That fx3 can’t take pictures not just that but also have high Burt’s rates and I like taking high quality pictures. Right now the most complete full frame camera is the z8.
Its great and all. FF is the way for filming. There is still a market for APSC though. I got the Fugi XS20 because it was small & for travel its essential. I wanted something to replace the phone as the main source for images / video.
Full Frame permit more performance. APSC permit lower prices. Yes probably APSC sooner or later will come to an end like any older and less performing technology
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I definitely don't NEED that new Sony Burrito, but I do WANT one. 😅 but I also definitely can't afford it so there's that too...🤷🏻♂️🫡😅
😂😂😂 a common problem for many of us... Your not alone.
Sorry, i haven't watched till the end (yet). But my thoughts were.... "Dude. I just bought my first APS-C. Did I buy the wrong camera to start with?"
But i will learn a lot with this camera to start with. Lets see what the future brings..
Ahm I'm sure you need it just can't afford it that's probably the best order of the words ahah I'm sure once your workflow with bigger clients grows you will get one. Unless you just stick to TH-cam video making only
Hey when you get a second , can you please make a video on how you film your screen and make tutorials / edit them
@@ruudbremer same, I have a a5000. playing around. I am getting the Sony ZV-E10 this Christmas. But I do like that Sony FX30 for sure.
As long as full frame cameras are three times the price (gotta include that lens!) there will always be room for APS-C and the like.
@@AllisonRoadWest $1850? You can get a very good, new APS-C camera for half that.
@@AllisonRoadWest Wrong. The a6700 body is 500 Euro cheaper then the Panasonic S5II.
@@Magic-mystery-man wrong. That isn't *3X as the original poster claims
With the same feature, right?
Exactly. And people forget the lenses.
The problem is that both Full frame and aspc has seen an awful increase in cost
IMHO, Micro 4/3rds is the best choice, and the number one reason: I can use M4/3, APS-C and Full-Frame lenses on my LUMIX M4/3 body.
Also, if you’re a pro photog, carrying multiple full frame and APS-C bodies is a huge PITA. I can carry my 3 M4/3 bodies and all of the lenses I need in a small bag without it being too bulky or too heavy.
for me, the price of the camera is not the problem. The problem is the difference in the cost of lenses. APSC lenses are 3 or 4 times cheaper. If i want to change to full frame, not only do i have to buy a full frame camera, but i also have to buy at least 4 lenses: ultra wide zoom, ultra wide prime for astro, 24-75 lens and a telephoto lens. All of that is going to cost at least 5000 dollars.
Plus FX lenses are 2-3 times heavier.
Joris: APS-C is dead
Fujifilm: Hold my beer ;-)
But I was also holding Blackmagic Design's beer and they caved. 😄 You think Fujifilm won't ever make a FF? 🤔
@@JorisHermans, there are a lot of companies in the FF market, so it will be hard for Fuji to be concurrent. Also, Fuji has APSC and MF. I think two lineups are enough
@@JorisHermans I don't think so. They already have aps-c and medium format. With full-frame, they'd just get a lot of competition, while aps-c and medium format are markets they can dominate.
I'm actually I'm love with the a6700
Fujifilm focuses on APS-C and offers large format if you want more megapixels (50 or 100). I'm very happy with the small size of my Fuji X-E3 compared to the DSLR i had before. With the 70-300mm and a 1.4x teleconverter, i can get 600mm full frame equivalent in a very small and lightweight way. It fits perfectly in the Peak Design Everyday Sling V2 6L and you can also fit 2 additional primes. I never considered full frame.
Well, I don't think that full frame cameras are getting cheaper and are getting closer in price to APS-C, let's compare similar cameras from one manufacturer, e.g. Sony FX-30 and FX3, price x2, same with lenses. I think APS-C will be more popular for a long time due to its price and weight.
I am shooting full frame, because I am also shooting on film and I want to interchange my lenses and use vintage lenses too . If you want to go with APS you maybe should go with Fujifilm, because they put their best into their aps lenses and they are really great in build quality. Larger sensors do not catch more light, nor produce more bokeh, if the light is projected without waste of projected field , outside the sensor, but focus it on it. It is a matter of optics, but full frame gives option to pack bigger pixels so it is another advantage.
The Canon EOS C70 is still a Super 35 APSC camera, but it costs more than the full-frame Canon EOS R5. You know that all digital projectors in iMAX cinemas do not reach 4K resolution because their image size is 2048x1080 pixels? Then why do you buy 4K TV cameras and shoot in 4K for TH-cam? What is important for an image is its essence, not its technical characteristics.
Facts brother 💯, facts, so well said 👍📸👊👏
C70 has a special type of sensor with over 16 stops of dynamic range. So that's the main reason for the cost difference and a big reason for the smaller sensor
No there's only one camera that can make the claim to 16+ stops and it's not a Canon. 12.8 to 14.2 dr when tested by cined
My wife told me: the bigger would be better. So I went full frame.
My advice for photographers who are debating the sensor size and have a tight budget, is to buy the best used full frame mirrorless camera body they can afford while still having enough to buy some fast prime lenses. My assumption is that people who are drawn to the idea of using a real camera and not just their iPhone is that they are attracted to the art of photography. So I would strongly suggest that they look at vintage and modern fully manual lenses. Now that full frame has been around for a while, the used market is fairly interesting.
Price and size remains a huge advantage to APS-C, and the latest APS-C sensors (such as those in Fuji bodies) support up to 40 megapixels and produce results stunningly close to full frame sensors that for many it just doesn't make sense to use full frame.
As long as the chase for the latest and greatest keeps people dumping their perfectly good and cinema quality equipment at bargain prices on the second hand market, I’m all for it 😁
AMEN!
I use them both: Fullframe for lowlight and milky way, APS-C for wildlife and hiking. I think, there will be a place für both formfactors in future, too.
For APSC cameras to be rendered obsolete 2 things will need to happen:
1 Full Frame cameras will have to get far less expensive than they are now, they will have to come down to a price point that is comparable to APSC cameras.
2 Camera makers will need to start making full frame cameras that can perform BOTH functions (that can serve as full frame, and APSC), and PERFORM BOTH FUNCTIONS WELL! Yes I am aware that there are full frame cameras on the market that double as APSC but they don't perform both functions well, they fall short on the APSC side. For example there is a Canon model (I can't recall which one it is), Full Frame that doubles as an APSC camera, 50 megapixel, but when in APSC mode it goes down to 19 megapixel, you get less than half of the sensor's total resolution when using it in APSC mode, that is absolute garbage!
Honestly I don't see full frame as that much of a trade up, If I ever did decide to switch from APSC, I'm going MEDIUM FORMAT! I'm not jealous of photographers who have full frame cameras, I'm jealous of the ones who have MEDIUM FORMAT cameras, that would be a serious trade up! How exciting that would be, to work with a Fuji, or a Hasselblad camera! It's just tragic that the selection of lenses for those cameras is so limited.
Past APSC, sensor size does not really make that much difference UNTIL YOU GET TO MEDIUM FORMAT, that's where you really see the difference, particularly in dynamic range.
If I'm hired to shoot a wedding, or party, or some other type of event like that, I am very confident that I will get great shots for the client with my 90D camera.
APSC cameras have numerous advantages over full frame, lighter weight, less expensive, many like Canon 90D, and R7 now have higher resolution sensors than a lot of full frame cameras, superior zoom range (except for Micro4/3 but that's smaller than I am willing to go), etc.....
Everything has a place in market
Arri just put the best sensor and latest color science on a S35 the ARRI ALEXA35
I'm freelance filmmaker 1st ac and i work with different cameras
From high end arri and vencie 1 and 2 all the REDs to sony fx3-6- and 9
(I own a Fujifilm xh2s which i love it )
Anyway from all fhe cameras i worked with the one I'm more excited to work with is the alexa 35 it's just a pleasure to watch the monitor when i pull focus .
Truth is with any camera with decent spec from the past 5~7 years anyone can shoot a Hollywood movie
And imagine will look great ( the creatoe uses very high dynamic range situ which the fx3 shines and compensate with sgi for the weak parts )
S35
Full frame
65mm
They will stick around for a long time
And I'm sure fuji is going to catch-up with it's medium format ( I've tested the GFX 100 MKII great but not yet there ) next gen I'm sure they will figure out to read the whole sensor without corp all that 102 megapixels
Not completely related to your video, but you do mention it. Why does every single video on YT that mentions the FX3 (I am yet to find one that doesn't) focus on The Creator using the FX3 but never focus on the glass they used on that camera? As somebody who has been taking pictures since the early 80s, I learned very quickly that a nice camera with functions was great, but the glass you put on that camera was more important. I see people on a daily basis say on TH-cam "Buy the FX3 and your films will look exactly like The Creator". No they won't. There is WAAAAAYYY more to it lol. Cheers
So what is s good fullframe for a biginner? :-)
It's the ultra wide lens utility that decides if you're into landscapes. You'll never get ultra wide 14mm for example, let alone 12mm on an aps-c camera and lens simply because when you crop out you'll be starting with respectively, 9mm, 8mm which, ostensibly, is fish eye lens territory. I think a 10mm aps-c lens offers you 15mm as the very best you can do with an aps-c. And while 15mm is going to cover you for what, 80% - 90% of your wide shots - it eats you missing out on that slightly wider field of view.
I use both a Canon R5 and Fuji XT5 systems for work and, IMHO, the Canons take the win for absolute image quality in most conditions and the Fuji system wins for cost and weight. Both have, in megapixels if nothing else, gone beyond what's required by my employers. Also, while I don't think there's any substitute in the Fuji world for the Canon EF85 1.2L for bokeh and feel wide open, Canon can't get close to the range of quality, light weight and beautiful to use prime lenses like the 28 1.8, 35 f2 and 50 f2. Thanks for the video - it's a great topic.
As long as one has enough light, any sensor size, even the 1-inch bridge types like Sony RX10/RX100, works just fine. Even 1/2.3" types take good pictures in good light. It's only in failing light where sensor size comes into play and the larger sensor size has the advantage.
The last few seconds you mentioned MFT saved you from my rant 🤣😂
Great video as always!
As someone who works all day in a car track or at a car expo under the sun I appreciate both the small size and extra focal length from apsc
I just saw The Creater on ScreenX yesterday. And omg it was amazing!!!... As a first time cinematographer who's interested in the FX30... (mainly because I can't afford the FX3) this APS-C vs Full Frame debate really does scare me... I want to buy the FX30 in a month or 2... But If I buy it... Would it even be worth it within the next year or so?... Idk now.
Get the fuji xh2s thank me later
@EriolMuarem I've never heard of it... looking it up now.
Check Fuji X-H2 (if you need 8k) and X-H2s (if you need a better rolling shutter). Fuji X-H2(s) has Apple ProRes internal, Flog2.
These cameras are awesome if you planning to use them with cinema lenses.
@@KristophTy really? It's all over TH-cam is even better then the RED comodo
Better highlights good colors noise cleans up very easy pro res internal 6.2k open gate
It's the best for both world's for photography and video no compromise in any
It's a stacked sensor so it reads super fast s and you almost don't feel the rolling shutter
@EriolMuarem wow better than a RED? Ok i am definitely going to have to look more into it.
6K only requires 16-20 megapixel (depending on the actual resolution) so APS-C still has plenty of room for 6K I'd say.
Or:
Which one is better:
High end APS-C or entry level full frame?
I saw a video some days ago that tackles this issue.. and technology progressing to evolve the quality of small sensors is over the roof, because of smartphones, that's why the gap between ff and APSC is closing really fast. Shure the FF hype is still going, but they must bring something extra back to the table cause the gap is closing fast. The lens market is also a big part both of the problem and the solution, cause of quality vs price. So, APSC is not going anywhere I think, except forward. Great video as always!
edit:
found it:
th-cam.com/video/_fOh2LiCc84/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UENbVrvg3Qme1yl0
Exactly. And I've seen videos, from a big-ish channel, talking about how "It's over. APS-C has won. Full frame has lost." I'm close to being able to upgrade to full frame, too. This "evolution", was obvious to any regular consumer., because of the flood of full frame systems, in the used market, and it's great for us!
Ok, I watched first. LOL! As with any technology, manufacturers over time can produce higher quality products for less and less. Just look at the prices of televisions over the years. When I bought my camera about 2 1/2 years ago full frame was way out of my budget. So, I bought a barely used X-T3 after some very patient research and shopping time. Now, there are FF cameras that have prices close to that of the new Fuji cameras. But, the other variable that led me to my X-T3 at the time was the difference in the price of lenses. That is something that hasn't come down in price. High end FF lenses are still very expensive. Recently, third party companies like Sigma, Tamron and Viltrox have been pushing the envelope with their offerings. So, things may even out soon. We'll have to wait and see. Right now, because of lens prices I'm not able to see an ability to move to FF yet. Maybe in a year or two I'll be able to get a nice used body and hopefully lenses as well. Have a great day!
I have both FF and Super35 cams - but my Super35 goes everywhere - the lighter smaller lenses are so fantastic in on-the-go shooting- especially in situations where a larger rig would draw too much attention (or not be allowed). The image quality of Super35 is plenty good for anything short of IMAX - and the fact that Arri's Latest/Greatest is Super35 IMHO says it ALL!!
Exactly
There's obviously a shift towards full frame, but brands are still not giving up small sensors (Arri Alexa 35, Sony A6700). Also Sony and third-party brands made a lot of aps-c lenses in the recent years and I honestly feel like I have plenty of choice, both in zooms and primes. Even anamorphic lenses are still dropping for small sensors !
In my country, A7cii have to wait until November, should I pull the trigger for a7iv ? Please give any opinion. I am your fan since 2022
I think, if we do talk pure cinema cameras l, full frame is going to be the way.
But APSC / Super 35 and also M4/3 still will be interesting.
Cost is one thing, event though full frame cameras are cheaper they are not cheap. An R6 is 1k more expensive than an R7.
And also size of bodies and lenses have to be factored in.
On top of that a crop factor sometimes is needed or better, depending on what you are shooting.
Let’s see, I am sure we are going to find out 😂🙏🏻
You are right. I am in the fuji system. XT4 and Xh2s. There are soooo many good options for good lenses in the full frame system. It's way easier to get bokeh with full frame. Even the budget anamorphic lenses are for full frame are more cinematic. Look at the perfomance...fujis AF and IBIS is behind Sony...still. apsc sensor feels very niche nowadays.
We're not talking cinema cameras here.. just pro-consumer ones: For example, my APS-C EOS 90D is 32 Megapixels and my full frame EOS 6D II is 26 Megapixels. Both deliver excellent IQ... so the question at the moment is: Do I need crop factor or not for the next shot or video? (Low light comparison capabilities is a bridge that I yet to check out).
- They still need to add night vision and infrared to their camera builds.... Still waiting.
Full frame lenses are bulky and very expensive.
Canon and Sony too will realise it. APSC will grow. Currently companies just want to cash upon the full frame because there is an opportunity to sell for some time.
What do you think about the Sony ZVE1? I'm thinking about getting my first full frame camera and since zve1 has the same sensor of a7siii and fx3, I can have the same image quality of them to shot my short films. You think worth it? Really considering it 😅😅😅
Why not Sony A7CII? If you need photos and video, then A7CII will be much better
@@infantfrontender6131 it's more video dedicated
I just upgraded from the canon m50 to the Sony ev-e1 last week. Best decision I've made in a long time, it's incredible.
I found a sony a6700 for $1400 body only, so I do not know if I should go with it because it is APS-C
Was thinking of pairing it with a Viltrox 13mm f1.4
did you end up getting it ? How do you like it ?
@@Real_Jay_KayI ended up getting it. Strongly not recommended Viltrox if you do not have a studio to make videos at home because it is very wide and kind of heavy and twice the price of some other lenses. You do not need that much quality if you do not have a good lighting and background. As for the a6700, it is just fine, maybe I should have gone with a lower end camera and higher end lens, but it is ok for now.
@@Real_Jay_KayThe Viltrox AF 20mm 2.8 is more than enough and it is cheaper and way lighter. This should have been the right lens for my needs.
I'm going for it, ATM with the 18-105 but I want to get the 16-55 when posible
@@aleksdeveloper698 thanks mate! Yea im debating between a7 iii and this a6700. Can only afford one lens with it for now and I'm thinking of Tamron 17-28mm f/2.8. I do have some lights in my home for a diy studio setup. So you think a6700 is not good in lowlight conditions for shooting video? Is it a problem with the wide lens?
No, I don't think APSC is going to die off, because for content creators and hobbist are still a great choice. They are still the cheaper, smaller and lighter camera than fullframe. Many people by them. Also, look at Fuji. I don't think they will build a fullframe system in a few years. That would take much time and they are selling their APSC cameras like crazy.
I don't know how else to explain this to people. It's not a money issue, I make plenty of money. I just don't NEED full frame. I'm a hobbyist, and I'm pretty sure we outnumber the pros. I actually have no problem with APS-C. I like how small the lenses are. Less sensor equals less glass. We just have very different priorities.
I was standing inside Adorama when the 1st fx30 landed in the store while trading in my Ursa. I was about to buy a FX3 then this fx30 popped up at half the price. The cam expert salesguy Avi said they are pretty much the same but you will lose some depth of field. Thats all I needed to hear. I bought the FX3.
What is actually sad about APSC shows up when the brands don't provide good glasses to the line, just for a second imagine if for example Sony were making GM Glass for APSC, but no.. the best quality and glasses of each brand just goes to Full Frame Bodies.
APSC will be always there, specially for those who work for long ranges.
Joris (God - That is funny man) how are you man?
The price is dropping for full frame it is still on the higher side for many I would say.
I came over from M43 (Panasonic GH5), and I loved that camera, truly did. What drove me a bit nuts the focus was not reliable and low light as an issue at times. So I made the leap to Sony & Full-Frame (felt a bit like I was cheating) with an A1 & A7Siii and bunch of GM lenses. The change has been great! I still have a sweet spot and love for M43 system. The Black Magic Pocket 6K is smaller sensor size, right, anyone? The footage out of that is beautiful, I think it is. Boris what do you think? You are a Resolve software user as well right? I need to learn Resolve.
My friend who makes movies is using the Sony FX30, I got to be honest the footage is solid. DOF is less but outside of that man it looks real good. Have you used the FX30 yourself.
As I am writing you I think it would be great if you had a live stream program or if you had a program where you invited a select number of videographers and just did round table open discussion about film, video, etc. Could be super neat and if you do that man I want in:)
Panasonic & OM is keeping the smaller frame still alive & Fuji Film is all in in APS-C & medium format. I do not see any of these systems (M43 or APS-C) going away soon since the market is there. Just my 2 cents.
Arri's latest camera is Super-35. Also, RED V-Raptor, Komodo X. Canon C300III, C70. You can probably stop freaking out. Filmmakers aren't immune to jumping on trends, but there will always be discerning artists and craftspeople who will choose smaller formats when it's appropriate for the stories they want to tell (I think so, anyway)
Imagine if they made some video cameras in Hasselblad format at 8k-12k. Pair that with a 1.5x anamorphic lens for that perfect univisium 2:1 goodness and even MORE of a low-light beast. Think that would qualify as the digital equivalent to 70mm true IMAX?
Check out the Fujifilm GFX100 II. It has a medium format sensor with a size like Hasselblad (43.8mm x 32.9mm), supports video recording at 4K/60p, 8K/30p, FHD/120p 4:2:2 10-bit Internal ProRes Recording, F-Log2 for wider dynamic range of 14+ stops. With external recorder it can record 12-bit Apple ProRes RAW. It has in-body optical image stabilization, fast auto focus and can shoot photos with 102 megapixels. It only costs 7,500$ while the Hasselblad X2D 100C costs 8,200$. But 65mm IMAX film is wider! The ARRI ALEXA 65 has a sensor size of 54.12mm x 25.59mm. Same hight as their LF ("large format", similar to full frame), but wider. You can't even buy it, only rent. Interestingly, other IMAX-certified cameras like Sony Venice CineAlta 6K (40,000$) has a full frame sensor.
@@davidak_de I meant the even bigger 53.4x40 Hasselblad, but regardless of that, I can't afford any of those. My budget and needs stop at M4/3 and 2.7k 30fps/1080p 60fps. Is there anything like that that's also good for pics with the video side being biased towards vlogging?
i have a canon rebel t3i and its kind of a great camera still. i would use super 35/aps-c for a short film cause its what i'm used to, but full frame is literally insanely cool. it's interesting that ARRI is switching to full frame, too.
Definitely some good points to ponder. There definitely seems to be a shift happening, but not totally. I think brands like Canon and Nikon were trying to push out their full frame cameras, especially for photographers for 2 reasons. It's the pros they were hoping would upgrade from DSLR to mirrorless. And they were hoping influencers and pro shooters would (and have) gone into a more video space.
But now that we've had these cameras out for a few years and a lot of people have made that switch, you're seeing cameras like the R7, R8, and R10 come out for those pro-sumer and beginner shooters. Sony just released the A6700 with tons of great video specs. Even going bigger, Fuji released that absolute banger XH2S and now the GFX 100 II (I get to play with that on Thursday. I'm nerding out a little with my excitement). But even their xt4 has some amazing video specs on their APSC body and the Lumix GH6 is a stellar camera for video with that one sensor no one can remember. Oh yeah, micro 4/3 😜😂. Honestly, at this point, it's mostly just very subjective as to what feels more comfortable in your hands and for editing after.
Aps-c well always be here bro, don't sweat it, its about, at the end of the day, how the quality is regardless, and the look. I have a 6d full frame and a pentax k7, im a Cinematography for 10 plus years and have done industry projects and its the pilot, not the plane, (top gun maverick reference) aps-c , they will never retire it, its more than effective and I think these different camera companies still like money, 😂📸👍 i use 50mm 1.4, 50mm f2 , 18-55mm zoom, so versatile that lens, and the over kill moster, the 50mm 1.2. All of these lenses pull in more than enough light, which im sure you know already, your very good, so the aps-c sensor size is more than adequate in producing beautiful pics and video for films, events , etc...... Aps-c is going no where bro, trust me, i think you know deep down Also its not going anywhere. Money alone will keep it here forever, that market makes tons of money for these camera companies, there not giving it up, they would have to lay people off 😂 but don't get me wrong, full frame is a boss, just a different kind of boss compared to aps-c , they both produce beautiful results, we can both agree on that,👍📸 love the video brother, Keep rocking out 👊
I think the craze over full frame for video production is coming to an end, I´ve been seeing many people sellign their FX3, FX6 and Canon cameras to get a Red Komodo X that is Super35. The same is happening in the top end with the Arri cameras, most projects are been shot with the Alexa 35 than the XL and 65. I think the main reason is that for video sensor size is not as important as in photography and you get a lot of perks like global shutter and a wider lens options on S35 that give advantage to the format. So it´s a good thing because now you can get amazing full frame video cameras like the FX3 and FX6 for very cheap.
Global shutter is coming to the other FF Sony cameras after the a9iii.
You need RF mount lens (which is a full frame lens) for the Komodo to have auto focus. So I think super 35 or full frame….it really depends, but I do agree that most people don't really care, they just want the 'best' camera.
Are we all pretending that we didn’t hear SONY “burrito”?
Haha! Sony burrito. Love it brother!
Well, you remember when our grandad’s by vehicle is only to take them to point a to b. Then mfg start to make vehicle with tremendous music sound system, heater sit’s etc, because new generation change. Cameras manufactures are not different, but I believe decades ago cameras are only 35mm for years then show up the dlsr and big business for the industry, eventually I believe they (manufactures) come with only one type of sensor or two.
Lowlight.
That’s the only reason I am on the full-frame train.
i had so many , let's say unlucky moments last weeks , that right now i need a Imax Camera 😂😂😂😂
Why worry about what other people do or think - if the gear works for you and your target audience or client then it's good enough.
I like shooting on a small apsc and don't feel any pressure to get full frame.
APS-C will take over, things are changing rapidly I give you an example do you remember v8 engines ? then v6 and now v4 unless you want to tow a car or boat then go for the v8. look at the smart phones with their cameras and now with Ai coming who knows what will happen . the bottom line can clients see the difference ? That's why Sony is producing APS-C because that's what is taking over .
Here I am still using my micro 43rd camera more than my full frame ones 😂
Sensor size shmensor size, who cares. Use the camera and glass that makes you happy and makes you wanna shoot and gives you the look you want. I love my FujiXPro3 rangefinder style camera and there's nothing else like it in FF (not even Leica).
I'm dropping a comment. I've been baited in. I'll wait to spew though.
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love it - I got the most insane deal on a complete Kitted out BMP6kPRo - then THE NEXT DAY the announcement was dropped re: Cinema6k- I had fomo for about 15 minutes, then remained completely stoked about the purchase. I doubt Super35 will go anywhere anytime soon, and if my projects require the FullFrame, then I'll hit the rental houses. But I don't disagree at all with the evolution@@JorisHermans
In short there's no perfect camera exists, at least before AI evolves as human. 😅
For youtube videos and streaming videos, m4/3 sensor is good enough. For example Panasonic GH4 is the most bang for the buck. For independent filmmakers I think apsc sensor is the best especially if you considered lenses as part of the gear cost. For full frame camera, Panasonic s5iix, is the best bang for the money.
Great vid. I saw the same BTS on The Creator and yeah, they like the fx3 for the same reasons we like it. Super light and portable with great low light.
Most of those who try to equate aps-c to full frame are those who cannot afford full frame.
Investment in old Pro/semi pro fullframe is better than new budget apsc for photography.
I am happy with my MFT and will stick with it.
I don’t think small sensors are dead…I think they’ll just become more affordable…and I’ll still be a full frame fan 😏
Apsc will Never Fade Out...... I THINK 🤷🏾♂️
I wish they will lower the price of ZVE10 and the APS-C Lenses as well. ZV-E10 is the only camera I can afford on credit
Sony Burrito? 🤔
Arri Alexa 35 entered the chat 🤣
Not to mention full no matter how hard anyone tries looks like crap for movies due to the shallow depth of field. Just watching blurry meeses each new movie that comes out using one.
If people think its better 🤷🏾♂️ I can't stand looking at movies, shows, etc and they just missing and shifting focus a lot.
S35 is superior for a reason, otherwise just film on 75mm. The industry is going to try shoving full frame down peoples throats. It just doesn't look good for cinema or TV. It doesn't look good for youtubers either.
Full Frame pretty much just looks good on a print.
The Batman made good use out of the blurs by making the frames dirty. What they also did was use lenses with sharp center focus, blurred on the edge, so its almost like the blur is framing back to S35. Reminds me of when TV needed those blurry side bars. Except The Batman blended it.
Like why are we doing this?
I've lived long enough to have been told HD is a gimmick and it won't catch on as file sizes are way too big and the image isn't that good that the human eye can see the difference.
I didn't need a full frame camera until I bought one.. OMG what a difference!. Low light? Pft.. what low light? Ok, short DOF is at times a real pain, but its worth the hassle for the clearly superior imagery and lower ISO's. I own a s35 4k Zcam and it's become the B cam. Wide shots for interviews and nothing much else. Don't get me wrong, the zcam is an awesome camera, IMHO better than the BMD cams, it's just not as good as the R5. I had a Sony full frame which was great, but my R5 is the clear winner for doco work. and not by a little bit.. Even my wife can see the difference and she shoots happy snaps on her phone! 😂
For movies?.. hmmm.. the slightly softer image of the s35 sensor is maybe more suitable, more "cinematic." But FF 8k for scifi would be cool! (Art department will have to step up)😂
Long live 1 inch sensors. ❤
I want lowlight beast for livestreaming. Been bouncing between few options. One says one, another one another.
i love when you do lens reviews
I love my gh5 and gh6 it has better video codecs than alot of full frame cameras period
Full frame need colour grading to look very beautiful I believe that I love full frame because it shows big resolution of picture everything and need software colour grading that it but it look very beautiful in colour grading software the true is me I will use my things with colour grading software but those who will not use colour grading software will have to use apsc camera .but full frame I love bit rate everything is clear and show but used of colour grading that it it done as good quality picture but full frame is good and colour grading software is needed that it I believe it sounds good too better.
MAGIC Lenses of panavision or vintage lenses must continue to life for the hollywood touch in movies,Camera makers are in wrong way if they quit APSC manufacturing....
Dear god on your channel, sorry for the lower case g but, well, I've never knelt/kneeled down much. 😉😁🤣 Ah, you are too much! My vote here doesn't count near as much as your vote ignored by all the biggie camera mfgs but I've already solved this issue last year when I went FF/mirrorless with the Sony a7IV Hybrid❗ Well, wait a minute. As I remember now, it has a dark sister living within who goes by the name of s35/APS-C and, to appease her, one of my lenses is the Tamron 11-20mm f2.8 APS-C lens. Well, "Hybrid" was supposed to mean Photo/Video but I now know it also means FF/APS-C. Your rant, er, informative video, here didn't mention an important factor: Camera Software! Did you hear the trumpet in the background? My a7IV is so smart it lets the dark sister pop out anytime she wants to and start fooling with my lens. Thank goodness, she can't touch my other 2 longer lenses, or can she?! I truly don't know because the camera is smarter than I am.
I have both
APS-C is still great
Keep buying full frame so I can get a new aps-c camera on the cheap 😅
Joris... You are to video and editing content as I am to language learning content... Tell the truth but don't be sorry about it haha.
Ehn... If you don't have the money to go all in on FF you're stuck buying out of date - 5+ yr old camera bodies and 3rd party glass to keep costs within reasonable levels all the while wishing you could buy the newest shiny thing thats released. The 'push' you feel to FF is marketing and I guess its working. TH-camrs will tell you quality glass has the most effect on IQ and then get people to buy 6+yr old FF camera bodies and slap 3rd party lenses on it to get in at a reasonable price floor. I make good money for Canada and I'm not chasing this dragon anymore. Strongly considering going from Sony to Fuji and being able to buy high quality glass, multiple bodies if I want to do video and photography or weddings ect and upgrade more often if I choose.
Burrito. ><
I need a Fullframe, I WANT a fullframe
I have to agree - there is such a noticeable push towards full-frame these days....
I'm just going to wait in the wings and see what happens 🙄🤣
And while I am waiting I will most definitely be planning a trip to both "Videoland" AND "Photographyland" ... where did you say they were again? Ahh yes...."over there" 🤣.
Excellent as always - cheers, Joris 🙏🤘
APS-C format is expanding.
Large format is expanding.
The only format which is NOT expanding is the Full Frame market -
Full frame will remain more or less the same as it slowly loses ground to those other two formats.
Photographers are in two camps: Those who know virtually nothing about photography, and whose main camera is an iPhone camera, and the photographers who are professionals, or who have at least had substantial professional experience at one time or another. The supposedly serious amateur photographer as in the old days of "Pop Photo" of the 1970's are a dying species.
Every manufacturer have their own draw backs and believe their own hype, the question is will you and choose one and just make good content or what you not what others consider is good content. The day where we don't care what others think is the day we'll all be finally free, an ex once told me, of course I didn't listen 😂😜🤪❤
i dont care, aps c is always better (this is just a coping mechanism because i already bought an aps c)
Buy used gear..
Affordable & Brilliant Tech.
Simple
What is happening to your channel?! 😱🤩 I am followed you from about 5k followers.
The only consumer apsc cameras worth really talking about are the fujis. The thing is to get what the xh2s offers in full frame you’ll be spending easily double to get a little better low light performance / more background blur… that fx3 doesn’t do prores internally and I like prores. That fx3 can’t take pictures not just that but also have high Burt’s rates and I like taking high quality pictures. Right now the most complete full frame camera is the z8.
I love your content but this is a “for the algorithm” video rather than a “I truly believe this” video …
Exactly
Its great and all. FF is the way for filming. There is still a market for APSC though. I got the Fugi XS20 because it was small & for travel its essential. I wanted something to replace the phone as the main source for images / video.
Apsc is way too big. Go M4/3.
Here is a comment before watching the whole video. What do you wanna do now?????? 😜
Photographers be like: full frame is better than apsc sensor..
But also iPhone camera(smallest sensor) is same as full frame dslr
image quality is given by the lenses
s35 is fine. Full frame is fine. Grab a camera and shoot. The human race will end someday.
I thing that micro four third shows good results for the price and full frame is overrated.
Full Frame permit more performance.
APSC permit lower prices.
Yes probably APSC sooner or later will come to an end like any older and less performing technology