URSA Cine 12K + PYXIS 6K - Big Camera update discussion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Blackmagic design have just announced a raft of new cameras, from the URSA Cine 12k LF, URSA Cine 17K 70mm, and the Box camera PYXIS 6K in three flavours!
Alongside all of the cameras we also got a more advanced speed editor and a new Davinci Resolve Micro panel with a real focus on iPad integration! - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
You question, would I get one of these. I'm now thinking to getting the URSA Cine 12K for that 16 stops of DR. It may be as high as 14 at an SNR of 2. This is equal to the old Arri Alexa amd Ameira. ut still less than to awesome Alexa 35. But curiously t may be above the Red VRaptorVV sensor's DR of 13.5 at an SNR of 2. Then have the PYXIS as a B cam. These will fit with my current canon cn-e full frame Lenses. I'm interested in seeing how much DR Cine D will achieve. I suspect 14 stops at an SNR of 2.
Dale your spoton right saying that second screen on the new Ursa Cine 12K not making sense. Mostly because the camera moves. Dose BMD think we're going to strap the AC to the camera or something crazy like that. It's been many decades since the AC has pulled focus remotely. I don't think anybody will be returning to the 50's using static camera shot because the AC is attached to the lens. I think have a more comprehensive amount of in and out sockets similar to the Alexa 35 would be a better use of the camera real estate than the second screen.
The Pyxis is perfect for me! I've been rocking the P4K with the .64xl speed booster-- the lowlights amazing, and I have no complaints that I couldn't solve with a little bit of rigging.
However, believe it or not this new camera allows for better battery life, BNC connectors via SDI, and a better post-production workflow in a more rigable body WITH a full frame 6k sensor for $3k?!
This is exactly what I've been needing and I'm happy that they finally released it. Definitely going to purchase this and use it as my A cam & keep the P4K as my B cam.
REALLY interested in the Ursa Cine, but I thought price point, I couldn't justify using it over the Pyxis, so renting it would definitely be the plan.
I do a lot of on the go commercial shoots and reality TV / narrative.
Now its personal!.. :}
There is one whith the L mount... make sense to me, i got the S5 and can share lenses.
if you are shooting in a studio and have limited space it can help in certain situations.
Read out speed is everything!
☝️ this
If Blackmagic made the BOX camera with the URSA cine sensor instead of 6K sensor and priced less than $10,000 they would have taken away RED / Venice's lunch, dinner and sleep.
I’m not sure what to think of these new cameras. The box design is cool, and when they come up with a faster gen two sensor I will probably be first in line. But I’m not prepared to dump the two CCs I’ve picked up in the last few months to make the “switch” to the same sensor, even though rigging will be easier in some circumstances. And the new Ursa is a powerhouse at a very fair price, but it will be a major pain to fit into more typical workflows. There’s not a DIT on the planet who will know what to do with those new memory modules, and most commercial oriented production companies have no interest in dealing with BM cameras anyway. With that said, I do like the look I see in the 12k sample footage shown during the presentation. There’s no doubt the DR has expanded quite a bit and the overall color depth seemed really beautiful. But a lot of spec sheets are looking for Sony FX packages, and though once in a while you can talk people into BM, a lot of the time that’s where the conversation ends. So I’m still waiting to see what comes next in the FX lineup before I start saving up for an Ursa Cine.
That’s a tough call as you’re fresh into the CC bodies, I’d been toying with the idea of a Micro Cinema Camera G2 as a mini box camera. But would far rather use something that isn’t a unique build so when other people are working with me they can just pick it up and run with it.
I still like the URSA body size for the weight and interia you get, not sure how the pricing will sit in the market. The burano feels like it may be having a rough time…
The Pyxis uses BPU Batteries and not NPF. They are bigger and should have a longer overall life.
Nice, missed that nuance completely!
Nice overview Dale. Completely agree with you regarding the sensor in the PYXIS, imagine if it had had a 4.6K G2 sensor in there.
You know I would have been happy with that, but the masses do yearn for ‘full frame’….
I heard that maybe they are preparing for VR content, due to their close relationship with Apple...
For the Apple Vision Pro?
@@Dale_Campbell yeah, I think in general, filming immersive videos which probably require at least 8k, is going to be a trend. Alongside the AVP, they released these experiences, a tightrope walker, baby rhinos, Alicia Keys studio session.
I think that as AR/VR becomes more of a thing, there will be a greater demand for higher resolution video. Disney seems to be going in on it, and I think soon we will see more live events offering it, I have heard something about NBA games from courtside.
Obviously, this is still really early days, but the rumors are saying Apple is working on a cheaper version of it, and I think the fact that they released it has also helped Meta with their quest lineup.
Grant Petty said something like "what if everyone could shoot imax", in the announcement.
Blackmagic has a super close relationship with apple, so I wouldn't be surprised if these cameras enabled some sort of immersive video experience. Obviously, this is all guessing, but why else would people need 17k?
As many people say, maybe they didn't make this camera for you, maybe it enables someone else's workflow. Either way, its still a pretty cool idea.
Exciting stuff! Thanks for the info, Dale. Really like how you put this together 🙌
Just something else to think about. Thus far Blackmagic has not included internal ND on any short flange distance (L mount) camera, because they are sticking with traditional internal ND vs electronic ND. Given that they are doing this it means the mount options must have a longer flange distance. So Pl, EF and LPL are the only common Cine mounts that would work. Hopefully in the future they will adopt a ND system that is compatible with L mount.
Thanks for sharing this! Do you know if it has picture cache pre-record ?
Hmmm I don’t think any previous Blackmagic cameras have, so I’d be inclined to say not…
@@Dale_Campbell Many people requested it from them so i thought they would consider it in their flagship camera. Nothing on the website mentions it. Hopefully with a firmware update it might be possible. That would make it a camera from heaven for wildlife filmmakers!
The side screen on the 12k and 17k allows you to set your focus or iris marks for the focus puller on the screen. Even if they use a wireless follow focus. I believe it's a well thought out design.
Yeah I get the logic, but most of the focus pullers I see have their own setups and workflows…. Can’t wait to see some real world setups with it 🙌
That would work but it's on the wrong side, most people put camera on their right side which means your AC would be looking at the side of your head/body vs the screen
Edit: Thought he was referring to the Pyxis which only has one screen and not the Ursa Cine 12k which has screens on both sides.
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI it actually has two screens like the OG URSA. The flip out that can fold flat on the left side and the screen which is just flush on the right.
@@Dale_Campbell Oops sorry I thought you were referring to the Pyxis where that only has one screen. My BAD! Apologies to the OG comment
The 12k is ahead of its time. What an amazing camera❤️
Mixed feelings on all the cameras...
- Pyxis is one of those "it's about time" upgrades - as it is only $400 more for the new box body I would be pissed if I bought the Cinema Camera 6k a few months back. But, I wouldn't rush to sell my Komodo unless they REALLY improve that sensor readout speed on the Pyxis - the rolling shutter on the 6k pockets was so bad I'll never consider getting another one, no matter how amazing the color science is. If it's the same sensor in the Pyxis as the Cinema 6k, I'll pass.
-The Ursa Cine 12k and 17k are VERY interesting, but at that price ($15k USD) I'd probably just rent them if I needed that kind of look. They are definitely disruptors, as nothing comes close to being large format with that resolution at that price point. I can't wait to get a used one in 2026. ;)
- New Micro panel is a banger, as it addresses all the problems I have with my current micro panel (too bulky for travel, not enough function buttons for 2ndary actions). And for $495 USD...wish I sold my panel sooner. :(
The Sensor Readout is my big question…. Can’t wait to see if the body has allowed for some upgrades to the rest of the internals to allow for faster readouts…. Ha it’s always impossible to judge when the right time to jump out of old kit is!
Same thought on Pyxis here, the rolling shutter from the BMCC 6K FF is kinda bad even you can partially fix it in post which will take some time. But finally you we can do some anamorphic open gate gimbal shots.
@@Dale_Campbell I hear that! I was going to sell my micro panel about 3 months ago but had a couple personal projects that needed grading and I didn't want to send it to a colorist! Saved a few quid and now I'm stuck with a piece of kit that's worth half what I could have gotten a week ago. :/
The sensor readout is crucial for my handheld work, if I'm not on sticks/gimbal I can't deal with the jello the CC 6k was throwing...
@mikenicholas8375 My classic is selling a bit of kit past the peak of it’s price… only to see it become a bit of a classic / worth it for it’s uniqueness 😅 Guess we’ll have to wait to see on the Jello…..
Blackmagic won’t be used on big films yet, main reason is high end producers don’t trust BRAW just yet. R3D, PRORES, ARRIRAW are all proven and solid. BMD decided to remove PRORES from their cameras to force users to adopt BRAW, won’t happen just like that. It’s not as robust a codec as the rest. They should have kept ProRes, it would have been the gateway to test BRAW. 🤷🏽♂️
I believe a big part of the challenge on the higher resolution sensors was file size. For example on the G2 at 4.6k BRAW can be fairly frugal, prores is considerably heavier!
I think it’s a bad risk / reward calculation for the bigger higher budget films and series. Ultimately how much would they save when everything else is so expensive in terms of a whole project.
@@Dale_Campbell the other problem is BMD hardware is usually unreliable. There is always a problem somewhere and cameras don’t last like the other manufacturers cameras. Investments shouldn’t be this way.
@@blackicestudiosnot true, I own several Blackmagic cameras going all the way back to the OG BMCC and BMPCC to the present and the are holding up as expected.
@@Sethmotley well you’ve had a great experience and that’s a good thing, I’m positive many others had great experiences as well. Everyone I know with the OG BMCC had the SDI port stop working. I know many people who bought the URSA mini and had lots of issues, from noise patterns to other sensor issues. I bought a BMPCC4K as an interim solution for a project ….. within 10 months of use the IR filter started getting spotty only for me to find out it’s a known issue and it’s replaceable. Issues like those seem widespread. On mission critical projects those things won’t fly.
All that said, the price point of these units tell you what they are and the segment they fill. Fantastic images no doubt but they don’t seem like workhorses just yet.
@@blackicestudios it’s unfortunate and I’m sorry so many professionals you know are having or had issues but it’s just the opposite for me and other users I come encounter with but your point is noted.
This announcement was literally the coolest thing I’ve seen since the A1 announcement. I won’t give up RED or Sony, but I will be adding the 12K to the kit. It’s the first time I’ve been enticed by any of their camera’s. That 12k footage was fantastic.
Do you shoot with a full team or more solo? Interested in how everyone is thinking about using the 12K LF.
@@Dale_Campbell Narrative shorts. Will probably use that 12k on my first feature.
@@schoolstuff5235 nice, what’s the genre out of curiosity?
@@Dale_Campbell In the middle of a neo-noir/soap opera style short film series, now. Hope to release the first two episodes later in the year. I prefer mystery, drama, and some intrigue in what I watch and make. The big reason I want that 12k is for vFx. We shot a lot of moving scenes with the A1 and I wish I would’ve used a camera with RAW capabilities, it’s been a real pain trying to composite those scenes. It was my first go, so lesson learned, lol.
@@schoolstuff5235 Very cool! Makes me wonder now you’ve mentioned that if the URSA Cine has internal gyroscopes etc. for integrating with VFX or virtual production….
Your editing skills are on point. The visuals are as captivating as the content!
Thanks 🙏