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Looking for a change? Try this! Analog King Air and TDS GTNXi REVIEW | Real 737 Pilot
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2022
- Time for my review on the Analog King Air and the TDS GTNXi.
Spoiler: Both are excellent addons and you will see me flying them more often!
Disclaimer: The TDS GTNXi has been provided to me for free from TDS as a review copy. I tried to stay as neutral as possible, but my opinion might have been influenced. And if you're saying "but you've been sooooo positive about it, surely your opinion has been purchased by TDI": I'm indeed very happy with the GTNXi, so yes, I am actually saying good things about it because there are many good things about it!
What I FORGOT to mention in the video: The AIRAC of the GTN is NOT updatable through Navigraph, you need the real life Garmin database to update it, which is not normally available to the flight sim community. The default AIRAC is a 2021 AIRAC.
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Tools and addons used in this video:
Blacksquare Analog King Air: www.justflight...
TDS GTNXi: tdssim.com/tds...
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Nvidia Shadowplay
My system specs:
Intel i9-9900k@5,2GHz
RTX3080Ti
32GB RAM
Windows 10 Pro
My hardware:
Thrustmaster Boeing Yoke and Throttle
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Thrustmaster Pendular Pedals
It’s so good to see someone who knows what they’re doing showing the correct way to operate a King Air!
TDS needs to figure out how to update the airac cycles.
Great minds think alike! Before I flew the Boeings at the majors (727/737), I had a job flying the Beech 1900C. Basically a stretched King Air. Ours were completely analog, which was all there was at the time, and no auto pilot!!! I was accustomed to hand flying the whole trip from freighter days in the beautiful (old) Convair 340s.
I retired in the 737NGs, but now I have a hankering to return to my roots, and I had already targeted this airplane! Thanks!
If you go into your windows sound control. The one in the bottom right on your task bar, you can control the volume of the TDS separately to bring the sound down to your liking.
I absolutely love this aircraft. The flight dynamics and feel are beautiful. Taxiing is a pleasure. I use the PMS50 GTN750. Learned some lovely tips from watching the video. Thank you so much Emmanuel.
Lovely video as always! Analog King Air is great, and I'd also recommend trying out the KNS-80 unit. A very unique piece of equipment for some old-school RNAV navigations, and I'm definitely enjoying every second playing with it!
I flew my first few sectors with it, absolutely loved it!
Thanks for this great video. The complexity of the Analog KA is absolutely off the charts, and the TDS is the superior GTN product. The workload is so high flying this aircraft that I practically sweat trying to get everything done on short flights. Then I realize there are also random failures ha. Superb products, the whole catalog.
Couldn't agree any more!
A corporate pilot friend tells me stories of hopping around the Los Angeles area to pick up VIPs in a Citation. It sounded really frenetic managing the jet, maintaining spatial awareness, following ATC, and trying to keep up w/ the
handoffs and radio frequency changes.
You earn your pay. 😉
I already have the TDI GTNXi and am thinking this King Air will be an interesting upgrade from the Cessna 414 that I have grown to love! Thank you for the video!
Absolutely! Higher Flight Levels and quicker speed, while having a very charming looking flight deck if you ask me!
Have the save upgrade here. Love the c414, but it’s time to step up my game haha
I’ve spent week or two learning this and the gtn750 txd it’s a beautiful plane in RL and it’s finally been done justice in the sim with this update from BSQ it’s version 1.3 now which has added some nice touches and fixed many things. Carnt wait for my Alpha yoke to arrive and the BSQ G36 to learn too. this plane it’s a lovely change from the 737/320 with the greater automation. It’s why sim aviation is such a wonderful hobby interest you get to fly and enjoy many different types of aircraft’s. Thx for the review as always very pleasant and professional flight as always.
Wow! Think I'll have to get this! Several years ago, I bought a KA350 DVD and fell in love with this aircraft. The pilot flew from KAPA to KTEX in Colorado. A few years ago, I visited CO and flew a Cessna 182 from Montrose up to Telluride with a CFI and enjoyed an incredible landing at an elevation of 9070' MSL. I'll probably never fly a real KA350, but this should be a treat in VR. 😊 Really enjoyed the video and subscribed 👍🏾
Everytime I see those Garmin units and how user friendly they are, I can't help but shake my head over the commercial airline companies who fail to innovate their avionics and still work with iterations of flightmanagment computers that were state of the art 35 years ago. The FMC's and Avionics in them look like ancient fossils compared to what a GTN750Xi can do.
I would add iPad and Foreflight to that sentiment. Best safety investment you will ever make (beyond making sure you have radios).
I actually prefer the older fmcs than these more modern avionics, the older fmcs are way easier to navigate and understand.
Great video! I fly that combination myself and really enjoy it a lot. I really like your idea of a double review/showcase. Most of us use multiple add-on in combination anyways. I also would like to see more GA planes videos. Keep up the good work!
Great video and lots of nice info. Looks a massive improvement from the base Asobo aircraft.
Shame the GTN750Xi is nearly double the price of the Steam Gauge overhaul is. Still looks very nice and lot seem to use it now.
Looks like I be adding both these to my wishlists. 👌
you are right but absolutely worth the money
Recently I made to move to buy this nice King Air. I had enjoy the KA 200 on p3d but I think this addon with analog avionic is better. When I see that you made a tutorial I was sure you will make a good overview and as before I am not disappointed. Also you give me the taste to have GTNXi but the price is very high especially in CAD. I will think seriously about it...
Thanks again for you video Cpt Emanuel.
I absolutely love this aircraft. The flight dynamics and feel is beautiful. Taxiing is a pleasure. I use the PMS50 GTN750. Learned some lovely tips from watching the video. Thank you so much Emmanuel. 47:29
After this Video I had to get the GTN 750.... and guess what, I couldn't resist for langer than 2 weeks before buying the King Air..... It's one of those aircraft that you just cannot fly somehow, but instead you want to know everything about every system, every scrath, you just want to know everything about it. I'd recommend it to anyone without any doubts, it's just an awsome feeling to fly
I use the KA and the TDS 750, but best use is not on the panel, but a second touchscreen monitor for the TDS. It is superb and the actual touchscreen ops are the stuff of dreams.
It’s funny yesterday I watched both of your old live streams with the analog king air and then the 310 and then today you release this video which is a merge of both those videos and planes. I’m very new to flight simulation and anything analog is intimidating to me hopefully your vids will give me more confidence to try it
It's a challenge to learn to fly on analog instruments at first, but it's really rewarding when you're mastering it and fly that first perfect holding or standard instrument approach. Really makes you go back in time and feel what it was like for pilots 40 years ago.
Thanks! Was just flying the standard King Air yesterday and was disappointed in the lack of control you have with the nav system. Also a bit sketchy on binding the controls to my Honeycomb B. I think this is a great upgrade that I will be adding to the hangar.
The Analog King Air really is amazing, you won't regret getting it!
Thank you for this highly informative video.
Damn that was a greased landing. Nice job! :)
Really in depth information, great channel
I couldn't figure out how you started the airplane down. I got to the TOD point, lowered my altitude in the window and pushed V/S. The airplane didn't start down. It's very difficult for E to show all the time where he is looking, a disadvantage of the King Air and its pedestal buttons, and the nose up/down button is still hard to see, as is the O2 handle.
A Big One for new guys to this sim like me: If you overtemp or do other no-no's to the engines, the sim remembers them and will sooner or later give you a red "Chip" light and you won't be able to start it back up. That's if you're lucky and the engine doesn't fail in flight. The place to fix that can only be found in a manual. It's in the Bendix radar on, what, the NAV switch and from there you can "fix" the engines. Ha, I never would have found that.
I bought their analogue cessna caravan and I've been really enjoying that, maybe this is next on the list...
You're gonna love it!
¡Gracias!
One "problem" I have, the soothing engine noise always makes me sleepy during cruise, lol.
Thanks for another good video! I did a lot of King Air flying these days and I agree, it's a truly amazing addon, together with the TDS a must have (I did use real world GTN750 and it's spot on). One of my favorites. Now procedural wise, I watched quite a some cockpit videos of real world 350 flying and also read a few forum posts of IRL king air pilots. Apparently, although the checklist states otherwise, they almost never use the high idle on ground. Only if it's very hot to have better air conditioning performance. Not for take-off and not for landing either, unless it's a real short runway to get faster spinup for instant reverse thrust or in case of a go-around. Also, if you watch them land, they usually put the prop levers to full RPM only just after touchdown. Apparently mainly because of noise concerns - the KA is veeery loud on full rpm. Keep it up!
PS: if you want some good training docs, I found this very interesting in-depth training manual: pdfslide.net/download/link/be350-pilot-training-manual-fs
Emmanuel, where could I get those cruise performance charts you consulted for this flight? Tks for the great video
How frequently the database(s) that come with the TDS gets updated? Also, does it mean I won't get the "benefit" of my Navigraph monthly AIRAC updates as the TDS uses its own database?
Whenever Garmin updates their trainer. Regarding Navigraph support you need to talk to Navigraph. They need to make a data format for it.
Amazing tutorial , Wunderbar , danke schon ! Do you know how to update the Sky4Sim Pad ? Mine didn’t update automatically , thank you !
For people with time and money to loose and disk space enough to collect planes that will be flown maybe a couple of times and then forgotten when the next appears. I wonder how many of their planes would they be able to fly for real.
Hi, i installed both products after your review, how come your distance to waypoint shows up on the HSI gauge, mine wont, only with the default G530 does it show :(
Vatsim users BEWARE: I purchased the TDS system after seeing this but was quite disappointed to find it does not use the latest AIRAC or even close enough to latest for use with Vatsim. Everyone who intends to use this with Vatsim should be aware that it is unlikely you will be able to fine appropriate SID/STARS. I ended up spending more to get the PMS50 GTN750. For example, my first flight with it was supposed to be out of Orlando but I wasn't able to find any appropriate SIDS, all of them were too old to use.
I never had this issue yet, just compare the charts with the data from the GTN and they almost always matched.
@@A330Driver Thank you for the response. What I noticed is that TDS has AIRAC 2104 which in some airports is just about one revision behind on SIDs/STARs that are current but in some cases, like the one I just tested in Orlando, most of the SIDS in the TDS are not valid. Does your version also have the same AIRAC
BTW, thank you for everything you do for the community. I look out for your videos every day pretty much.
@@ungroundedpilot There are some versions of more up-to-date AIRACs availabel on the internet if you search for them. I won't make any further comment on that particular topic though as we're leaving the edge of legality with that as they're still Garmin property.
one of my favorites
Rightly so!
I love what BSquare have done, but I'm annoyed they have left out the Beechcraft logo on all the gauges
It seems to be a thing with developers these days to leave copyrighted logos out of their addons. They seem to think they can avoid copyright issues with that. I'd call it a myth, but well...
@@A330Driver I thought the same. Not a big deal, I added the relevant Beechraft logos on the gauges myself but it would be great to have developers sort out the licencing when developing the product. I understand it may be due to the cost of licencing.
Fantástico.
Hey there, thanks for demonstrating this analog King Air. Thanks to you, I got it too. Is it possible to implement the GNS530 instead of the GNT750? I followed the manufacturer's instructions, but it would be nice if it could also be displayed and used in the cockpit.
There's a switch at the bottom right of the mainpanel on the FOs side which makes it possible to switch between the different options. The GNS530 is also one.
Based on everything I've learned from a real world pilot, the 350 is normally operated in low idle. High is more commonly used in high and or hot departure. Prop RPM is raised just as you're flaring on landing
I don’t know who you talked to, but this is NOT the case.
Is that green arrow to the left on the attitude indicator your only guide for the glide slope. The 750 never shows LPV in green?
Does anyone else experience problems with the responsiveness of the Garmin in this aircraft? I sometimes have to move the camera around a lot in order to get my clicks recognized - especially when clicking on letters (like when editing a flight plan).
I've had some initially but the developer has been a great aid fixing them. I recommend to contact his support and I'm sure he'll quickly sort your issues out!
Thank you for the prompt reply. I found the solution in a TDS forum: the „workingtitle-instruments-gns“ folder in the „official“ folder had to be deleted.
After 5 minutes I start the engine my gps is switching off , what seems to be the problem ? Thank you ! I use the gps 530 , or is 550 ? It’s not the TDS anyway !
Just the GPS or all electrics? Did you switch on the generators or are you perhabs draining the battery?
Great videos. Just got the 738 and it’s absolutely amazing. I’m a huge turbo prop fan (wish we could eventually get the PMDG JS4100) and this analog King Air looks like it’ll scratch that itch perfectly. Side note, does tapping the brakes create disk warping on the brakes at all? I’d think with all of that inertia the rotors would take some abuse stopping the wheels. I’ve never flown RG airplanes so I have always been curious.
I might not understand the question, but it is my understanding that drum brakes handle heavy loads better than disc brake and fisc brake doesn't have brake fade. With drum brakes you have apply, get off them, and reapply several times to renew the stopping power. Band brakes are good, but not good as drums. Disc brakes warp when hot rotors are splashed with water. Keep the water off and won't warp.
@@johnc.4871 So airplanes use drum brakes then? Yeah my question was disk warping so that would make sense if they use drums and not rotors (disk brakes). Thanks
@@jjsemperfi Airplanes use disc brakes.
@@johnc.4871 Ok…so back to my original question, do the rotors warp like crazy when they tap the brakes before they pull the gear up?
Does the TDS support navigraph airac data and charts?
No, it uses real life data.
@@A330Driver so thats a bad thing right? For simming experience i mean, pms50 is suits me more then, would you be comparing those later?
Great aircraft. How are you controlling the condition levers?
I'm using the mixture axis control from MSFS. Works perfectly!
When taxing a turboprop, should you use the beta range for managing speed vs brakes and if so would you mind doing a nice demo of that? I have an idea of what to do but not the technique.
I wouldn't recommend to do so, the impact on noise is huge. But there are people who will say either thing works, so since I'm not a Turbo Prop Pilot I'll keep out of that discussion and leave it for those who actually know what they're doing.
@@A330Driver Thanks a lot for the response!
Does this support any other GPS type aid?
You mean any other GPS device? I think it supports the PMS GTN as well and of course the default GNS, which is due to recieve a great update with the Aircraft and Avionics Update out this month.
@@A330Driver yes thats it thank you
In Altenrhein it isnt that good weather.. When i see the sky out of my window it is literally gray
The depth of simulation is impressive for sure, however I'm put off by the quality of the instrument models and textures.
Could you elaborate? I’ve never been in an analogue king air cockpit IRL, but I thought the visuals were very good
I'd love to know that as well, what don't you like about them?
I disagree with the depth of simulation, a lot of system is missing, have you tried que check the fuel system before the first flight of the day, rudder boost doesn’t work. But overall it’s a good airplane.
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I love your videos It helped me so much to learn abt the 737 when I started out I want to thank you as I continue to learn more and more everyday I must say ur my inspiration thanks!!!
I absolutely love this aircraft. The flight dynamics and feel is beautiful. Taxiing is a pleasure. I use the PMS50 GTN750. Learned some lovely tips from watching the video. Thank you so much Emmanuel.