A bit late to the video, but, on the lack of contingency/dehistoricism, there's a shared similarity with decolonial theory. Which, anecdotal as it is, seems to appeal to people who would be on the colonial spectrum of the good/bad dichotomy that runs through that discourse.
Great discussion, thanks to both of you. What I'm left thinking is just how many of privilege theory fans or advocates have turned to the right too easily.
I had an ex who thought black people in the US literally could not call the police. She simultaneously identified as Celtic and nonwhite to get those sweet oppression points on the board
"Male privilage" is an interesting term because it implies that people who are assigned male at birth experience it even if they are women or nonbinary. It's not "man privilege" it's not exclusively about gender but I think pointing this out would make many trans rights activists uncomfortable. I think I have heard stats about trans men (who are presumably female) having challenges that trans women do not face at the same rates. Like trans women tend to be accepted as trans more often because of this privilege.
Biological sex is an essential category whereas gender is supposedly a purely social construct. The degrees of significance attributed to each can be debated but there's some utility to the sex/gender categorization. There's almost no correlary in the field of race. Despite the biological truth of the male and female categories, race is seen to be 100% socially constructed. Ironically, the left treats the more biologically true male/female categories as totally fluid almost to the point of undefined, while policing the racial categories very strictly (albeit arbitrarily). Were better off sticking to class as our overwhelming frame of analysis while maintaining sensitivity to social dynamics so as to include all sectors of the proletariat and address all racial and gender groups class-based demands. Identity Politics and wokeness are meant to divide and cause chaos. We can be staunch class advocates without "erasing" the particularities of any subgroup within the proletariat. The only "privileging" of subgroups or sectors within the proletariat should be done on strategic bases with the rubric of where the leverage lies for fighting capital in a particular circumstance. In 1890 maybe that was the industrial workers of the north in the USA, which also coincided with the white male demographic. Fine. In 1965 strategic leverage might have lie with black workers in places like Detroit. Fine. Today it might lie with immigrant Latinos in certain service or agricultural sectors. Fine. If the left would like organize these workers with a strategic focus that's a practical matter, not one of a whole new politic based on their identities.
As a trans woman I have seen and experienced much less acceptance for being trans than trans men, mostly because we tend to me regarded as predatorial and treacherous (think “wolf in sheep’s clothes”), on top of “becoming the lesser” gender. Trans men seem to be regarded much more as poor victims of “gender ideology”
@@Gotsyn I'm thinking a lot of this comes down to people in charge of the legal/"official" framework having little interest in having a broader appreciation for "being trans" as not just about gender dysphoria on the identification side and sterilization on the treatment side. Easy to categorize with ready made "solutions". Which would be a problem because mild gender dysphoria is to be a expected while growing up especially for girls (there is the sustained hit to mood for girls starting with puberty after all). People have many reasons to be trans and that's okay as much as the price to "being trans" "officially" is still so great that getting informed consent out of a person is a little tricky and forget about trying to get it out of minors. As for male privilege I wouldn't overthink the terminology too much, when we talk about groups of people of course there's exceptions and also any narrow privilege can be a curse as well depending on the context. Think elevated mood can mean less good plans for the future.
A bit late to the video, but, on the lack of contingency/dehistoricism, there's a shared similarity with decolonial theory. Which, anecdotal as it is, seems to appeal to people who would be on the colonial spectrum of the good/bad dichotomy that runs through that discourse.
You caught that with afro-pessimism, which shares the same odd primal ontological shift as de-colonial theory.
Great discussion, thanks to both of you. What I'm left thinking is just how many of privilege theory fans or advocates have turned to the right too easily.
I knew Varn was one of us!
One of what?
@@VarnVlog lets just say, welcome to the cookout
I had an ex who thought black people in the US literally could not call the police. She simultaneously identified as Celtic and nonwhite to get those sweet oppression points on the board
"Male privilage" is an interesting term because it implies that people who are assigned male at birth experience it even if they are women or nonbinary. It's not "man privilege" it's not exclusively about gender but I think pointing this out would make many trans rights activists uncomfortable.
I think I have heard stats about trans men (who are presumably female) having challenges that trans women do not face at the same rates. Like trans women tend to be accepted as trans more often because of this privilege.
Biological sex is an essential category whereas gender is supposedly a purely social construct. The degrees of significance attributed to each can be debated but there's some utility to the sex/gender categorization. There's almost no correlary in the field of race.
Despite the biological truth of the male and female categories, race is seen to be 100% socially constructed. Ironically, the left treats the more biologically true male/female categories as totally fluid almost to the point of undefined, while policing the racial categories very strictly (albeit arbitrarily).
Were better off sticking to class as our overwhelming frame of analysis while maintaining sensitivity to social dynamics so as to include all sectors of the proletariat and address all racial and gender groups class-based demands. Identity Politics and wokeness are meant to divide and cause chaos. We can be staunch class advocates without "erasing" the particularities of any subgroup within the proletariat. The only "privileging" of subgroups or sectors within the proletariat should be done on strategic bases with the rubric of where the leverage lies for fighting capital in a particular circumstance. In 1890 maybe that was the industrial workers of the north in the USA, which also coincided with the white male demographic. Fine. In 1965 strategic leverage might have lie with black workers in places like Detroit. Fine. Today it might lie with immigrant Latinos in certain service or agricultural sectors. Fine. If the left would like organize these workers with a strategic focus that's a practical matter, not one of a whole new politic based on their identities.
As a trans woman I have seen and experienced much less acceptance for being trans than trans men, mostly because we tend to me regarded as predatorial and treacherous (think “wolf in sheep’s clothes”), on top of “becoming the lesser” gender. Trans men seem to be regarded much more as poor victims of “gender ideology”
@@Gotsyn I'm thinking a lot of this comes down to people in charge of the legal/"official" framework having little interest in having a broader appreciation for "being trans" as not just about gender dysphoria on the identification side and sterilization on the treatment side. Easy to categorize with ready made "solutions". Which would be a problem because mild gender dysphoria is to be a expected while growing up especially for girls (there is the sustained hit to mood for girls starting with puberty after all). People have many reasons to be trans and that's okay as much as the price to "being trans" "officially" is still so great that getting informed consent out of a person is a little tricky and forget about trying to get it out of minors.
As for male privilege I wouldn't overthink the terminology too much, when we talk about groups of people of course there's exceptions and also any narrow privilege can be a curse as well depending on the context. Think elevated mood can mean less good plans for the future.
Samuel R. Delany looks just like your stepfather?
@@PalaeoJoe yep he does
And you do look like that Sean kid who caught so much flack for being an impure hero.