@@GG-mn9ls Don't you hate comments that are just like, "We already knew this, you didn't?" Can't even restate something insightful without somebody else trying to sound enlightened or "woke"(ironically).
hey josh. not only have the guests been excellent but you as an interviewer have been incredible. making sure certain topics are being explained properly while still letting them speak freely. excellent work, really hope you continue this project.
Yeah, that sums up hardcore careerist liberals pretty well. That's the name of the game. They're parasites. And without a broken society, to one degree or another, what does anybody need them for? So it' needs to stay broken. Probably not part of some grand, insidious strategy, but a keen instinct for it, like a survival instinct. And that's how they make their money, and where they stake their claim.
In Argentina we have something similar called “Baglini’s theorem”, related to how crazy the proposals and plans from a political party can be, and how they are inversely proportional to their actual closeness to real political power (winning the elections, having many seats in congress, etc)
To be fair, those ideas are what motivate people. Bernie nearly won twice despite an extremely antagonistic relationship with the DNC. Why? He ran on Medicare for All. Maybe at the time we didn't realize how unnattainable that goal truly was, but people don't get excited for "interest free loans for opening businesses in majority minority areas".
This is literally one of most satisfying and helpful conversations I’ve ever seen on the internet! As a working class person I instinctually know all of this but have had no words and context for it. This is so powerful!
I second this sentiment. I am also in grad school and am annoyed by some of my classes that only focus on theory that is one sided and does not actually apply to reality
Dang, she’s amazing. It feels visionary. Even though most of what she is saying is highly observational and common sense, the way she hits the nail on the head repeatedly is so intellectually skilled & I haven’t heard many people put these ideas as poignantly. Excited to read her book :)
THis woman is a national treasure. I gave 3 copies of Virtue Hoarders to friends last Christmas, and they were all floored. Brilliant speaker and writer.
A new thinker for me, I liked her a lot. Just like you can trust a man with an ugly wife, you can trust an intellectual who ruthlessly and unapologetically criticises people on her side of the political spectrum. We need people like her, Slavoj and… who else? to start building or engaging much more with leftist alternative media efforts. It would be great for people on the right, like myself, if we could watch, learn from and debate people who we respect on the other side of the political spectrum. Not the snow-flaky, history-less, victim parrots who currently occupy the establishment and alternative leftist media. Real leftists have to remove these woke idiots to ensure that the pendulum doesn’t swing too far to the right when the time comes. We tried that 80 years ago and nobody wants that..
@@simonnilsson5356 sounds like you might actually be a leftist who is fed up with liberal respectability politics and has fallen into the hands of the right, just as Catherine was discussing
@@simonnilsson5356 brother im on the other side of the aisle and I want to say, I love that someone on the other side is extending an olive branch. Its time for a reunion of the american people. These type of leftists have inadvertently given us a path there. I feel I genuinely understand the conservative perspective so much better now, In a way its liberating.
27:21 “your boss cares about you…your boss wants to change the way you think”. That is the truth, and that is truly one of the most invasive parts of corporate culture. Thank you for highlighting this!! This is something that has truly bothered me working in a larger tech company-the fact my managers are expected to align with HR and provide guidance not just in the work, but your personality, your worldview, your attitude. It’s very invasive. This entire video is just incredible! Thanks for the awesome work, Catherine Liu!
It's also interesting how deeply ingrained the idea that physical labor and mental labor can't coexist in host is. Like it seems to me some of the times I think clearest is when I am using my body. I think the issue is the exploitation of the body. Of course we can't think clearly when we are overworked and exhausted, but then the issue isn't that those people don't deserve to think--they deserve to have rest so they can think. Very strange to me. loved this discussion and shared it widely.
Embodiment is key to good mental health. The more time we spend in a "high" intellectual state, the more we risk entering a negative feedback loop of negative thoughts/physical discomfort.
As I am struggling with my "mental" career (content marketing for tech/gaming companies, I swear it is consuming my soul) and really pondering the idea of learning a "manual" profession instead, I also realized how uncommon this might sound to most people whereas it is totally normal to me to feel inclined to do both. I think women are a little more prone to integrating practical intelligence/labor in their lives than man are because of domestic labor etc, but we are still so conditioned by education and society do disrespect and reject anything manual nobody really thinks about it enough.
@@tunab666Find a skill that works even if the world ends. Even guitarists may be kept around if you have to think about mouths to feed. I would say I was the leftist Catherine was speaking of in days passed, but I’ve personally come to appreciate things we might typically see as conservative nowadays, for better or worse. Atleast my disenfranchisement with “the left” has given me the option to radically alter my world view and maybe finally break out of my prison that I’ve been duped into building
Ralph Miliband noted the difference between intellectuals who were for the working class but not of it, and intellectuals of the working class. You can't trust the former, and you have to seek out the latter.
This showed up on my recommended as I was, in real time, thinking about how samey youtube content has become, and how it's like everyone has been repeating the same few shallow thoughts over and over again. The depth of thought and ideas presented here are such a breath of fresh air by youtube standards. Thanks for making all this free for everyone to watch, amazing work!
Isnt there this thing that you know something is well presented and explained when you hear it and you feel like they are talking about something you already understand. Great interviews. Thanks!
I love this talk because it's like she's very articulate and precise in saying something that I for one, and I think we all, have basically been thinking for a long time and unable to find the words for.
So far this podcast has done a fantastic job of highlighting the contradictions within the 'modern American left' and sometimes within some of its biggest voices. Watching you push and pull on the guests is good interviewing, its revealing, and its self critical. Genuinely makes me think. Good show, thank you.
I've never seen this podcast in my LIFE. But you know, even the small act of the interviewer writing down notes throughout the professor talking was very insightful into the productive conversations this podcast wants to have-- it shows intent and thoughtfulness. Only 22 minutes in and i really like this video :)
@@silvinacarrizo2726 Might you say that she is talking more about the commodification of trauma (or even of 'trauma,' in quotation marks)? Whereas Gabor Mate´ deals with real trauma, and what it takes to heal.
@@ronmackinnon9374 hola, no conseguí la traducción de tu texto, pero estudié y leo inglés, creo que tenés razón, ella está hablando de algo que se volvió una práctica y se volvió un sinsentido al ver lo que sucede ahora en el mundo post pandemia Eso nada tiene que ver con el gran Dr Gabor Maté que está luchando contra las violencias en todo sentido, por lo menos es lo que entiendo
Incredible discussion, I was immersed from beginning to end. Catherine Liu is brilliant and we truly need more people like her who are critically thinking about these topics and convey them in such a digestible form.
Wow, she's incredible. So perspicacious! A new fav for sure. One of the few people who seems to have such a full and spot on assessment of our modern culture. How disappointing there's only one or two other videos of her on TH-cam it seems.
What a great conversation. It's so good it's worth multiple viewings. I also want to highlight how good the book Virtue Hoarders: the Case Against the Professional Managerial Class is. It's short and to the point, something the vast majority of non-fiction books fail to do. Her substack is great, too.
I just want to say THANK YOU for this conversation and the way Prof Catherine makes certain questions that constitute the collective unrest so clear. I feel truly enlightened
This is a very complex topic. My spouse and I moved to the Silicon Valley from Los Angeles about 10 years ago. My spouse would be one of those industrially educated salaried workers that you are speaking about. Another thing I noticed about the majority of this class/population here in the Silicon Valley? it’s such a monoculture combined with their industrial education. That they are destroying all other forms of culture in the area and wherever they populating concentration. Making it both unaffordable, but also being completely uninterested in supporting art ,culture ,craftsmanship. and many other forms of what people for centuries have helped to grow and define because they were the class of people in power financially.
Haven't finished yet but this woman is possibly the best articulator of what's going on I've ever heard, and I've listened to plenty of people who do it excellently.
She really hit the nail on the head, dead on. My job at a library has all of these issues, and this passive aggressive language and inability to communicate is epidemic, particularly among those around 10 years younger than myself.
Would you mind stating your approximate age? Curious about the age(ish) that you’re referring to when you say “10 years younger”. Thanks for the comment regardless…
@@felixclarke1601 lol you’re making quite the assumption me thinks… Why do you think that’s a “boomer” reflection? Do you think the OP is referring to individuals your age? Wondering why 6 people agreed with you… I find the conversation happening in this video very interesting… Wondering if you have any thoughts about the topics discussed… I’m probably older than you (given that you’re labeling the comment as a “boomer moment”) so I’m interested in your thoughts…
@@Seeker0fTruth41. I graduated high school in 2001. So I guess anyone who went to university during the second Obama term. They seem to be the most fanatical in terms of being true believers. But it’s really ruined their ability to socialize. Many of them have this unearned sense of superiority and often will snitch to management about union matters.
@@jefferycorley8006 What a time to be alive, aye? Hey…working at a library sounds like it could be a very interesting (if not educational lol) experience! Don’t let the bummer crowd get you down TOO much… But it’s also good to trust your instincts about when it’s time to move on to fairer winds and following seas. Wishing you well, sir! And thanks for the reply.
Thanks mucho, J..C., this conversation is already having and affect on the rest of my life - I have been waiting for decades to hear Professor Liu, but of course didn't know it, until just now, I am standing up straighter, the ache in my left knee is better, hell bell--
@@brandonesteves432 exactly. When Paris Hilton speaks of her abuse and ADHD, it lets a lot of people become aware of mental health issues they otherwise may never will find out about. Same with Oprah speaking about men getting sexually abused, it has a huge effect on the judicial system overall. She seems to have very old school mentality where one should just never speak about their trauma openly!
A very refreshing conversation about the state of things as they are and whilst there was a clear point of direction towards leftist ideas, it wasn’t political in the modern sense and wasn’t all about signalling and branding. This is where I can agree with people both on the left and on the right. If people genuinely care about how elite groups and institutions impact on the lives of those with the least power, then that’s constructive discourse in my opinion. Catherine came across so genuine in her care for truth. It didn’t require constant moral signalling but it was her thought out reasoning, in her understanding of grey areas, and not falling for reductionism that was appealing. Society is complex, obviously, and critique is needed to come to grips with it. Will be following her more!
One of her points is that you need leftists at all levels of society for social democracy to emerge. Personally this made me feel like I should be a lot more vulgar, and a lot more critical, and that those ideas and behaviors are important for us as leftists. “Ruthless criticism of the present”
genuinely the most enjoyable and interesting conversation ive seen on the internet possibly ever. i have never commented on a youtube video but god this video is so good
Catherine Liu showed up on my TL at such an important time. I remember feeling so utterly confused and bereft leaving the Evangelical Church that formed me, getting into Leftism, and feeling so much of the exact same things I grew up with - paternalism, moralism, a sense that the world was intractable and fixed in place as evil, that the goal was to join an elect that could enclave themselves from that perverse world, etc... so grateful to her
This is exactly my story too, you’ve described it so well I’m floored. So hard to describe to a leftist how much like an evangelical they are, and trying to explain it to a liberal will trigger the hell out of them. I haven’t read her book but I guess now I have to!
Subscribed on this first viewing for me... She just explained all the angst of the last 40 years that affected and divided all my family members, politically and socially. Now my 40 something children haven't a clue what is really going on in this country. My 95 year old history professor father has Trump Derangement Syndrome. Thnx for sharing logical discourse.
@@Juantjw I don't think monarchists are popular or should be taken seriously. I mean come on, maybe a British monarchist. That counts on a technicality.
@@Juantjw expressing sincere surprise and laughing at the thought of there being people who unironically call themselves monarchists isn't being smug go outside
Very good interview - this is my first time hearing Dr.Liu speak and she's amazing - always references great sources and articulates her thoughts so specifically
I love Catherine Liu and this is brilliant and also fascinating to listen to from an adjacent discipline that never made contact with this world of literary studies/theory/etc. (philosophy)
Absolutely brilliant! Articulates SO many things that have been bothering me without the clarity of this analysis. I’m about to go read any Catherine Liu I can get my hands on.
I grew up in a family of stone masons where family was the unit of labor I was under a system of care where people were more important than profit and the acquisition of skill was the primary goal. The division of labor was temporary as one gained mastery. Every one of my mentors were self-employed and could build or fix nearly anything.
I told my story to spread awareness about abuse and exploitation. However, no one believed me or wanted to listen to me. Then Paris Hilton told her story and they listened and believed her.
1972 is also right around the time of the collapse of Bretton Woods, the most important aspect of which to this conversation was the loss of capital controls AND the Powell Memo, which is the call-to-arms for America's corporate elite to systematically destroy labour and its interests everywhere and always
I love this interview, this and the previous have been great. However, stop talking about the working class in the abstract and hire someone to solve the condensation issues on the windows. I don't like seeing that mould grow.
‘leveraging and instrumentalizing your suffering to accentuate your brand’
something i’ve thought for a long time, but she says it so succinctly
This is not a revelation. People have been talking about this for years.
@@agricolaregs ok
@@agricolaregs i didn’t say the idea was revelatory. i said she put it succinctly.
Truly beautifully said
@@GG-mn9ls Don't you hate comments that are just like, "We already knew this, you didn't?" Can't even restate something insightful without somebody else trying to sound enlightened or "woke"(ironically).
hey josh. not only have the guests been excellent but you as an interviewer have been incredible. making sure certain topics are being explained properly while still letting them speak freely. excellent work, really hope you continue this project.
@@brentoncarter4275 nice one
I am loving the card board box
This was on my recommendation
Brave
"The less realizable a political goal is, the more they like it." That says it all and explains a lot.
Yeah, that sums up hardcore careerist liberals pretty well. That's the name of the game. They're parasites. And without a broken society, to one degree or another, what does anybody need them for? So it' needs to stay broken. Probably not part of some grand, insidious strategy, but a keen instinct for it, like a survival instinct. And that's how they make their money, and where they stake their claim.
In Argentina we have something similar called “Baglini’s theorem”, related to how crazy the proposals and plans from a political party can be, and how they are inversely proportional to their actual closeness to real political power (winning the elections, having many seats in congress, etc)
To be fair, those ideas are what motivate people. Bernie nearly won twice despite an extremely antagonistic relationship with the DNC. Why? He ran on Medicare for All. Maybe at the time we didn't realize how unnattainable that goal truly was, but people don't get excited for "interest free loans for opening businesses in majority minority areas".
This is literally one of most satisfying and helpful conversations I’ve ever seen on the internet! As a working class person I instinctually know all of this but have had no words and context for it. This is so powerful!
I second this sentiment. I am also in grad school and am annoyed by some of my classes that only focus on theory that is one sided and does not actually apply to reality
@@caroespinoza9287 You're probably too retarded for grad school then
Agree, the first 12 seconds alone, but there’s more
Dang, she’s amazing. It feels visionary. Even though most of what she is saying is highly observational and common sense, the way she hits the nail on the head repeatedly is so intellectually skilled & I haven’t heard many people put these ideas as poignantly. Excited to read her book :)
This is one of the best interviews I have ever seen. I am so fired up and moved by Catherine Liu. I literally took notes! Her wisdom is spellbinding.
THis woman is a national treasure. I gave 3 copies of Virtue Hoarders to friends last Christmas, and they were all floored. Brilliant speaker and writer.
Yes ... Amazing book
class ladder buffer zone, the working class is the buffer zone between the underclass and middle class
Heard her speak for 30 seconds, read this comment, and auto-copped her book.
Sometimes the algorithm drops a gem on the TL; she is my new favorite human.
Ruthless Critique!
long been one of my top favorites. Irreplaceable
A new thinker for me, I liked her a lot. Just like you can trust a man with an ugly wife, you can trust an intellectual who ruthlessly and unapologetically criticises people on her side of the political spectrum. We need people like her, Slavoj and… who else? to start building or engaging much more with leftist alternative media efforts. It would be great for people on the right, like myself, if we could watch, learn from and debate people who we respect on the other side of the political spectrum. Not the snow-flaky, history-less, victim parrots who currently occupy the establishment and alternative leftist media. Real leftists have to remove these woke idiots to ensure that the pendulum doesn’t swing too far to the right when the time comes. We tried that 80 years ago and nobody wants that..
She is good!
@@simonnilsson5356 sounds like you might actually be a leftist who is fed up with liberal respectability politics and has fallen into the hands of the right, just as Catherine was discussing
@@simonnilsson5356 brother im on the other side of the aisle and I want to say, I love that someone on the other side is extending an olive branch. Its time for a reunion of the american people. These type of leftists have inadvertently given us a path there. I feel I genuinely understand the conservative perspective so much better now, In a way its liberating.
27:21 “your boss cares about you…your boss wants to change the way you think”. That is the truth, and that is truly one of the most invasive parts of corporate culture. Thank you for highlighting this!! This is something that has truly bothered me working in a larger tech company-the fact my managers are expected to align with HR and provide guidance not just in the work, but your personality, your worldview, your attitude. It’s very invasive.
This entire video is just incredible! Thanks for the awesome work, Catherine Liu!
Yes, nobody should have their workplace invade their life. Your coworkers are not friends.
It's also interesting how deeply ingrained the idea that physical labor and mental labor can't coexist in host is. Like it seems to me some of the times I think clearest is when I am using my body. I think the issue is the exploitation of the body. Of course we can't think clearly when we are overworked and exhausted, but then the issue isn't that those people don't deserve to think--they deserve to have rest so they can think. Very strange to me. loved this discussion and shared it widely.
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🎨🎯 Appreciate your Thought-share (Brilliant)👏
Embodiment is key to good mental health. The more time we spend in a "high" intellectual state, the more we risk entering a negative feedback loop of negative thoughts/physical discomfort.
As I am struggling with my "mental" career (content marketing for tech/gaming companies, I swear it is consuming my soul) and really pondering the idea of learning a "manual" profession instead, I also realized how uncommon this might sound to most people whereas it is totally normal to me to feel inclined to do both. I think women are a little more prone to integrating practical intelligence/labor in their lives than man are because of domestic labor etc, but we are still so conditioned by education and society do disrespect and reject anything manual nobody really thinks about it enough.
@@tunab666Find a skill that works even if the world ends. Even guitarists may be kept around if you have to think about mouths to feed.
I would say I was the leftist Catherine was speaking of in days passed, but I’ve personally come to appreciate things we might typically see as conservative nowadays, for better or worse.
Atleast my disenfranchisement with “the left” has given me the option to radically alter my world view and maybe finally break out of my prison that I’ve been duped into building
Going back to this as a palate cleanser after the Dasha interview
Straggler who just go there.
@@bbinibinibb Get a better personality, grifter
Catherine Liu seems to me so brilliant, it's refreshing to hear an academic language expressing an honest, working class perspective.
Ralph Miliband noted the difference between intellectuals who were for the working class but not of it, and intellectuals of the working class. You can't trust the former, and you have to seek out the latter.
god it is so good as a psychotherapist to have people like Cathy Liu in the world, talking about the bullshit in the industry
This showed up on my recommended as I was, in real time, thinking about how samey youtube content has become, and how it's like everyone has been repeating the same few shallow thoughts over and over again. The depth of thought and ideas presented here are such a breath of fresh air by youtube standards. Thanks for making all this free for everyone to watch, amazing work!
Isnt there this thing that you know something is well presented and explained when you hear it and you feel like they are talking about something you already understand. Great interviews. Thanks!
I am so grateful to have been introduced to this amazing woman.
I love this talk because it's like she's very articulate and precise in saying something that I for one, and I think we all, have basically been thinking for a long time and unable to find the words for.
So far this podcast has done a fantastic job of highlighting the contradictions within the 'modern American left' and sometimes within some of its biggest voices. Watching you push and pull on the guests is good interviewing, its revealing, and its self critical. Genuinely makes me think.
Good show, thank you.
I've never seen this podcast in my LIFE. But you know, even the small act of the interviewer writing down notes throughout the professor talking was very insightful into the productive conversations this podcast wants to have-- it shows intent and thoughtfulness. Only 22 minutes in and i really like this video :)
I still cannot believe this channel is so small. The quality of these interviews is off the chain.
I would love to hear Catherine Liu speak to Gabor Matee about trauma and depoliticization. Please make it happen
Pero ella está hablando de estructuras de sentimientos privatizadas por la industria cultural y del entretenimiento.
Yes agreed. Would love hear a truly interdisciplinary talk
please oh my god
@@silvinacarrizo2726 Might you say that she is talking more about the commodification of trauma (or even of 'trauma,' in quotation marks)? Whereas Gabor Mate´ deals with real trauma, and what it takes to heal.
@@ronmackinnon9374 hola, no conseguí la traducción de tu texto, pero estudié y leo inglés, creo que tenés razón, ella está hablando de algo que se volvió una práctica y se volvió un sinsentido al ver lo que sucede ahora en el mundo post pandemia
Eso nada tiene que ver con el gran Dr Gabor Maté que está luchando contra las violencias en todo sentido, por lo menos es lo que entiendo
What an amazing, no-games-tolerated woman. Thank you for this interview.
This was such a good conversation. It really goes much deeper than the usual criticisms and she offers perspectives I dont hear often (ever).
Incredible discussion, I was immersed from beginning to end. Catherine Liu is brilliant and we truly need more people like her who are critically thinking about these topics and convey them in such a digestible form.
Wow, she's incredible.
So perspicacious!
A new fav for sure. One of the few people who seems to have such a full and spot on assessment of our modern culture. How disappointing there's only one or two other videos of her on TH-cam it seems.
I sent this to a friend saying " this is what I've been trying to say, but didn't have the words" . incredibly interesting interview. Thanks.
What a great conversation. It's so good it's worth multiple viewings. I also want to highlight how good the book Virtue Hoarders: the Case Against the Professional Managerial Class is. It's short and to the point, something the vast majority of non-fiction books fail to do. Her substack is great, too.
What a wonderful and refreshing interview. I ordered a copy of Virtue Hoarders and look forward to more of these interviews. Many thanks!
This interview was more insightful and engaging than anything I've ever seen on television
This is a joyously challenging interview and conversation, Catherine bursts so many bubbles its just fun to watch!
this is outstanding, it should not be as refreshing and rare as it is to hear someone articulate all of this so perfectly.
I just want to say THANK YOU for this conversation and the way Prof Catherine makes certain questions that constitute the collective unrest so clear. I feel truly enlightened
This is a very complex topic. My spouse and I moved to the Silicon Valley from Los Angeles about 10 years ago. My spouse would be one of those industrially educated salaried workers that you are speaking about. Another thing I noticed about the majority of this class/population here in the Silicon Valley? it’s such a monoculture combined with their industrial education. That they are destroying all other forms of culture in the area and wherever they populating concentration. Making it both unaffordable, but also being completely uninterested in supporting art ,culture ,craftsmanship. and many other forms of what people for centuries have helped to grow and define because they were the class of people in power financially.
Haven't finished yet but this woman is possibly the best articulator of what's going on I've ever heard, and I've listened to plenty of people who do it excellently.
Finally, having the language to describe my lived experience is so incredibly powerful. Thank you for sharing your life’s work.
So many seemingly disparate topics coming together so elegantly . . . WOW. Catherine Liu is AMAZING.
Epic interview. Catherine is a true gem!! Joshua, you’ve earned yourself a new follower. ❤
this podcast is gunna get huge. great format. thanks for this.
She really hit the nail on the head, dead on. My job at a library has all of these issues, and this passive aggressive language and inability to communicate is epidemic, particularly among those around 10 years younger than myself.
Boomer moment
Would you mind stating your approximate age? Curious about the age(ish) that you’re referring to when you say “10 years younger”. Thanks for the comment regardless…
@@felixclarke1601 lol you’re making quite the assumption me thinks… Why do you think that’s a “boomer” reflection? Do you think the OP is referring to individuals your age? Wondering why 6 people agreed with you… I find the conversation happening in this video very interesting… Wondering if you have any thoughts about the topics discussed… I’m probably older than you (given that you’re labeling the comment as a “boomer moment”) so I’m interested in your thoughts…
@@Seeker0fTruth41. I graduated high school in 2001. So I guess anyone who went to university during the second Obama term. They seem to be the most fanatical in terms of being true believers. But it’s really ruined their ability to socialize. Many of them have this unearned sense of superiority and often will snitch to management about union matters.
@@jefferycorley8006 What a time to be alive, aye? Hey…working at a library sounds like it could be a very interesting (if not educational lol) experience! Don’t let the bummer crowd get you down TOO much… But it’s also good to trust your instincts about when it’s time to move on to fairer winds and following seas. Wishing you well, sir! And thanks for the reply.
Thanks mucho, J..C., this conversation is already having and affect on the rest of my life - I have been waiting for decades to hear Professor Liu, but of course didn't know it, until just now, I am standing up straighter, the ache in my left knee is better, hell bell--
"Telling 'your story' as a billionaire - does not heal ANYBODY." - love it. : )
Why doesn’t it?? Why does your income validate or invalidate one’s life story?? I seriously don’t understand.
@@brandonesteves432that's not what they said. It's still very valid, but they can't go on and say it is "healing people".
@@brandonesteves432 exactly. When Paris Hilton speaks of her abuse and ADHD, it lets a lot of people become aware of mental health issues they otherwise may never will find out about. Same with Oprah speaking about men getting sexually abused, it has a huge effect on the judicial system overall. She seems to have very old school mentality where one should just never speak about their trauma openly!
@@brandonesteves432Billionaires are born heirs, what touching story could they have?
Catherine Lui is a treasure! I just feel so liberated having her articulate and support exactly what I’ve been thinking for the last 30 years!
I've told so many people about this conversation; it was excellent. So much good stuff in it.
A very refreshing conversation about the state of things as they are and whilst there was a clear point of direction towards leftist ideas, it wasn’t political in the modern sense and wasn’t all about signalling and branding. This is where I can agree with people both on the left and on the right. If people genuinely care about how elite groups and institutions impact on the lives of those with the least power, then that’s constructive discourse in my opinion. Catherine came across so genuine in her care for truth. It didn’t require constant moral signalling but it was her thought out reasoning, in her understanding of grey areas, and not falling for reductionism that was appealing. Society is complex, obviously, and critique is needed to come to grips with it. Will be following her more!
Wasn’t aware of Catherine Liu before this but you’ve done it again! I could listen to a lot more of this
Holy moly what an enlightening conversation 🤯 gonna follow y'all fur sure
Wowza. Fantastic work. Good substance and hits the nail on the head.
This was spectacular, articulate and very relevant to this moment in history.
This is now my new favorite pod thank you so much for introducing me to your excellent guest !
She is brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I love how she flows.
19:13 I recently saw a quote that it's the people making $700/hr convincing the people making $25/hr that the people making $7.50/hr are the problem.
Great interview! I took her classes in university when I was younger and she was a great mentor. I love to see her here ❤
Not only do I appreciate Liu's articulateness and mental dexterity, I also love her forays into voice mimicry of these PMC twits -- hilarious!
I will certainly be seeking more talks from Catherine out. Grateful this was recommend.
Omg this woman is brilliant it’s such a joy to hear her speak
What a conversation. So honest and helped me understand what’s happened to completely defang radicals & progressives since the 70s 80s.
In a world where truth gets evermore hard to find, this video is a beacon
Biy this is good stuff. Fighting the establishment with facts and intelligence, been waiting since 2016 for this
The funny thing is only PMCs are likely to listen to this. Who is ready to be a real class traitor?
i am a trashman ✌️
One of her points is that you need leftists at all levels of society for social democracy to emerge.
Personally this made me feel like I should be a lot more vulgar, and a lot more critical, and that those ideas and behaviors are important for us as leftists.
“Ruthless criticism of the present”
I’m a commercial fisherman.
based on what?
@@eastonclark3151dont be so hard on yourself
genuinely the most enjoyable and interesting conversation ive seen on the internet possibly ever. i have never commented on a youtube video but god this video is so good
Enlightening conversation. Thanks for starting this podcast 🫡
This is SO good, thank you for doing this and thank the algorithm for showing it to me.
yes😂 I was so surprised this showed up in the middle of my doomscrolling.
Catherine Liu showed up on my TL at such an important time. I remember feeling so utterly confused and bereft leaving the Evangelical Church that formed me, getting into Leftism, and feeling so much of the exact same things I grew up with - paternalism, moralism, a sense that the world was intractable and fixed in place as evil, that the goal was to join an elect that could enclave themselves from that perverse world, etc... so grateful to her
she's a good Marxist evanglist even for conservatives, its why billionaires like Marc Andresson pay attention to her
Read marx engels lenin. Lib academics will make you even more confused
Woke people are basically neo Calvinists
This is exactly my story too, you’ve described it so well I’m floored. So hard to describe to a leftist how much like an evangelical they are, and trying to explain it to a liberal will trigger the hell out of them. I haven’t read her book but I guess now I have to!
@@parakeet5 100%
I read the *Case Against the Professional Managerial Class*
& really enjoyed it.
~ thank you Catherine Liu
Subscribed on this first viewing for me...
She just explained all the angst of the last 40 years that affected and divided all my family members, politically and socially. Now my 40 something children haven't a clue what is really going on in this country. My 95 year old history professor father has Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Thnx for sharing logical discourse.
Best convo I’ve heard in a while
Great first two guests!
Get Jen Pan on the pod.
This was absolutely mind blowing! thank you for this so very much!
Liu cracking up at the mention and description of monarchists is so good.
yeah smugness is how we will win the right wing over
@@Juantjw I'm just laughing at entertaining stuff on the internet officer.
@@st3venseagal248 smug again
@@Juantjw I don't think monarchists are popular or should be taken seriously. I mean come on, maybe a British monarchist. That counts on a technicality.
@@Juantjw expressing sincere surprise and laughing at the thought of there being people who unironically call themselves monarchists isn't being smug go outside
Very good interview - this is my first time hearing Dr.Liu speak and she's amazing - always references great sources and articulates her thoughts so specifically
I love Catherine Liu and this is brilliant and also fascinating to listen to from an adjacent discipline that never made contact with this world of literary studies/theory/etc. (philosophy)
Absolutely brilliant! Articulates SO many things that have been bothering me without the clarity of this analysis. I’m about to go read any Catherine Liu I can get my hands on.
After finding this video, I’m now a subscriber ❤ can’t wait to explore your older videos
I grew up in a family of stone masons where family was the unit of labor I was under a system of care where people were more important than profit and the acquisition of skill was the primary goal. The division of labor was temporary as one gained mastery. Every one of my mentors were self-employed and could build or fix nearly anything.
New favorite channel. Great interviews, my friend.
I love random clicks that work out. 😊 And what a sharp guest.
This is a REALLY good channel. Amazing guests and peerless interview skills.
dawg ur killing it, love these episodes excited for more
Enjoyable and excellent interview, Catherine helps clarify contemporary class dynamics better than most i've read.
This guest is wonderful.
I don’t know how I got here but I’m glad I’m here your guest is wonderful and I’ll be picking up her work thank you
Incredible conversation. She is so articulate in calling out the false dichotomy of the liberal conservative paradigm. Time to read Virtue Hoarders.
This is a fantastic interview! Thank you for putting it out!
i can’t even fully understand how groundbreaking this conversation is but i feel it lol
very thankful to come across this video, she’s wonderful
love this episode! catherine is such a great guest
I’ve never heard an argument about the appropriation of vulgarity. Great interview, she is amazing!
I told my story to spread awareness about abuse and exploitation. However, no one believed me or wanted to listen to me. Then Paris Hilton told her story and they listened and believed her.
Excited to see this channel grow. Good job!
I like the lightness of your set. Better than most.
Thank you for doing these interviews Josh! I just bought her PMC book for kindle to learn more.
Awesome. Thanks Liu and Citarella.
I hope Josh and Catherine take a look at the comments - people are galvanized. I would sit out in the rain for this.
1972 is also right around the time of the collapse of Bretton Woods, the most important aspect of which to this conversation was the loss of capital controls AND the Powell Memo, which is the call-to-arms for America's corporate elite to systematically destroy labour and its interests everywhere and always
What a fascinating guest. I could listen to Catherine for hours.
I love this interview, this and the previous have been great.
However, stop talking about the working class in the abstract and hire someone to solve the condensation issues on the windows. I don't like seeing that mould grow.
This was great! Excited to have found your channel.
came from the brace ep and damn, Liu next, awesome
😁😁😁 fantastic talk! Wow! Sharing! Sooo good!
This podcast is so good