Ortgies Automatic Pistols: Not as Boring as You Think!
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The Ortgies is a pistol whose interested aspects are often overlooked on the assumption that it is just another identical .32 ACP blowback pistol. Well, it is that - but it is also more.
Mechanically, the Ortgies has a rather unusual grip safety mechanism that is quite different from what we expect to see today. It is also interesting in that the .32 and .380 versions differ only in the easily-interchanged barrel - even the magazines are marked for both calibers.
However, the most interesting part of the Ortgies story (in my opinion) is its production. In less than 5 full years (1919-1923), close to a half million of these guns were made, primarily by an industrial subsidiary of the German government. The guns were in large part a work program, creating export goods which could bring desperately needed hard currency into Germany to counteract the economic devastation of the Versailles treaty.
Have a look at the video and you may come away with a newfound appreciation for the humble Ortgies, like I did!
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My grandfather carried his father's ortgies as a personal defensive piece when he was an officer in Vietnam. He said people had a bad habit of stealing .45 Colts since they couldn't be worn inside the officer's club and had to be relinquished at the entrance. Said he didn't want to take the risk of his .45 getting swiped by someone looking to make a quick buck or get a souvenir.
A rather famous man around our town, who has passed on now, used to carry one of those little Ortgies .32's. He picked it up when he was stationed in Europe during WWII, and when he returned to our city, he became the State Juvenile Judge. He had also held many other offices, and was well known for being the only man in our State to pull the switch and put a murder to death. His Ortgies now is on display in our museum,
I should have looked at this half asleep. I saw 1027 Orgies and thought Ian was on to something new.
“Welcome back to forgotten weapons, I’m Ian McCollum, and what we have here is a neat little German pistol. But before that, let me introduce Sam, Gary, Linda, Jessica, Rob, Brianna, Laura...”
found a flawless 32 one cleaning out my grandma's attic, really fun little gun. crazy accurate
GoCeltics734. Keep it its quality.they can't produce these anymore.. because they are so carefully machined and precision they would cost too much to produce today
@@agoogleaccount2861 lmao what
Awesome! I’ve shot one at coke cans and I hit everything with my .25 acp
respecc
The sights are sooooo soooo bad, mine is also a preistine example but unfortunately shoots about an inch high at 25 yards which i can live with, cool little guns
I feel like I'm back in high school, Mr. McCollum is trying to teach me about history and I'm just sitting in the back like "hehehehehe, he said orgies".
my mother has a 7.65 . my uncle John was in WW ll Germany, actually in the battle of the bulge brought it back with him after the war....I could not figure out how to disassemble it for complete cleaning until I saw this video.
My father-in-law was in Burma in World War II.. ambulance driver/truck driver.he brought back his 45 that he carried .. when my father-in-law died in the 1990s, my mother-in-law took that pistol to the local police station. She saw a cop in the parking lot as she pulled in, she just handed the gun out her car window to the 1st cop she saw, and told him, this was my husband’s, he died and I don’t even want it in my house, and drove away...
i’ll get over that.......Someday ...
You pull the slide back until it is able to be lifted straight up very slowly holding it firmly. Then the slide is able to be taken right off slowly. Remember that the spring is active and will try to take you by surprise. Remember to keep a good grip on the slide till the spring is disengaged. It is very easy.
Some women make the crappiest decisions. I don't think I could ever forgive her
A high school buddy of mine had a 32 at his house. He didn't know what it was, other than German, so he referred to it as his "bizarro pistol" due to the grip safety mechanism. Years later i saw photos of one in Garry James' column in Guns & Ammo, so i told him what it was. It was in about the same condition as the one in tbe video. Nice design, well made. Didn't know about the optional safety; that is a nice extra detail. Great video as always. Thank you
I got one used at a gun shop last year for $250...no one wanted this little .25 beauty amid all the modern handguns..I took took one look and sent it to "jail" for the next 10 days before I took it home..I thought my Russian makarov was small but this one is super concealable!
Ian Francis Ledesma. Lol .these are .the original .25 acp cal
"high capacity" .. Very accurate too .
Years ago I had a cartridge fire without the slide fully closed. That was something. I just cleared that jam yesterday and am going to re-blue the pistol and get it working properly. Thanks for excellent operation details - I’ll check them all 👍
Replacement firing pins made later in the US were oversize and had to be handfitted.
@@timothytietz9194 I did some research and it turns out to be a small spring that causes issue. I bought the spring on eBay but have not yet got to the project.
@@timothytietz9194thanks, I had wondered if they made aftermarket replacements given so many have firing pin breakage.
When I was taking my permit to carry course there was an older lady there who’s husband wanted her to get a permit. She had very little experience with firearms and a 25 caliber Ortgies pistol is the gun she showed up with.
my great grandpa had brought one of these back with him I have always thought that it was a cool pistol it actually has a circle of Pearl in each side of the grip. I am glad you put this video out because I have ben wanting to know more about this gun thanks
Another great vid. I definitely learned something new. Until I watched this, I never thought twice to even pick up an Ortgies. The milling of the frame and barrel seems too much work for it to not be considered an interchangeable caliber pistol. It would've been a lot easier and cheaper to simply use a pin through the frame and base of barrel. Thanks for the vid!
I have all three caliber Ortgies. I've never seen one with the extra safety button. Thanks for the video I really enjoyed it.
I just need the .380 to complete my collection.
Are parts compatible with the bernardelli? I know they look if not the exact same gun
@@rang123yea5 ditto
I recently inherited and rebuilt a .25 model. Nice little gun. Spare mags are hard to find at a reasonable price.
There is another aspect to the grip safety mechanism not mentioned. When the grip is in the safe position, the pressure on the firing pin (striker) is relaxed which prevents the striker from having enough force to fire the gun if the gun is dropped.
I have two of them, a .25 and .32. Mine are early enough the .380 isn't mentioned in the manual and the .32 has the same cal mark on both sides.
My fat fingers aren't an issue. The manual says you should use the cleaning rod to push on the grip release.
From what I can see, these are all milled steel, no stamped parts anywhere and real wood grips. These are great examples of old world craftsmanship. I have 2 in 32 acp, one very low 5 digit serial number and one low 6 digit serial number.
These aren't bland. I find most modern handgun styling to be vulgar. These have decent lines - and, fer cryin' out loud - "real wood" grips.
Vulgar is the perfect word... thanks!
Don't forget craftsmanship. I don't think my old 7.65 FN pistols are as precisely machined as these!
I love my 25ACP my great grandfather trade a hobo 2 dollars and a biscuit for it in the early 30's.
I just got one for $150 with like 40 rds
Two dollars was a lot of money. My dad bought first gen SSA's for two bucks in the thirties and new rifles and govt surplus rifles could be had for five to seven dollars. Bannerman's used to sell Boer war rifles and webleys for pretty much nothing out of the American rifleman in the sixties. And the museum of american arms in St Augustine put out a catalog I bought a cased union arms percussion cap pistol for 35$ and a cased ring trigger Remington derringer for the same amount of money. Nice Ballard Pacific's for 85 and pepper boxes for 55 were out of reach. Our rent in 1964 was 93$ a month and Krystal hamburgers were 10 cents each. In the thirties you could buy cut over land in Georgia for fifty cents an acre and my father passed up a town lot by the Carter Center after the war for fifty dollars because he could not afford it. It is where the Western Electric building sits just up from the RR bridge and the old Nehi building, later Van der Kloot's studio. Truth kills Trolls dead, did you know? Signed: "Two dollars and a biscuit".
My dad gave me my .32 ortgies when i was 10, wonder where it came from or its history and how it made its way to california
When you where ten? Looling jealously over from germany!
I got an airsoft beretta for my 9th birthday^^
In their day they were pocket pistols, just as the 1903/08 colt 32/380 pistols. Pockets and clothing cuts were different in those days, the smaller "baby browning" and fn and colt and others along those lines were considered "vest pocket" pistols, again in the day men wore 3 piece suits or often wore a vest and shirt with dress pants.
German army officers often carried Ortgies as their regular sidearm.
Yep, got one from one.
~ My Great Uncle, who was a Marine Sgt. took one of these in .25acp & a German Luger, belt and holster from a Prussian officer in France in the summer of 1918 . It is marked with the serial number and "Germany" in English on the frame. We believe it was for export, but the German had purchased it as a second gun. He was wearing it in a belt holster, on his trouser belt, under his blouse/tunic as a back up to his holstered Luger.
My Great Uncle gave it to my Dad, when he joined the Cleveland Ohio PD in 1927, to carry as a backup to his Dept. issued Colt Official Police revolver in .38Special. I have carried the .25acp Ortgies since 1966.
Respectfully, this is an example of "buy the gun, not the story" since your great uncle could not possible have taken it from a German officer one year BEFORE Orgie started manufacturing them.
They didn't start making them until 1919.
@@glennellis1584 my takeaway is that it is a nice little carry gun in .25.
I have a couple (two) of these pistols in 7.65mm. One has an "HO" monogram inset in the grips, the other the stylized cat (I read somewhere it's a Jaguar, but that was just one opinion) being the "D" for Deutsche Werke; the slides are appropriately marked for the two versions.
They work well and fire on command. However, both of them show a rather low velocity (665 and 701 fps, the 'official' velocity for 7.65mm Ammo is 900 fps). The bores do not seem to be corroded, but perhaps it doesn't show up as I expect.
I will comment on the grip released safety. It always worked as shown. The only criticism I have is once the grip is depressed, the pistol is in fire mode all the time. The safety button could be depressed again, but in the heat of searching through the house for a potential burglar, one might not think of doing so AND the hand's grip on the pistol would simply release the function again.
Both pistols are marked for export.
Interesting enough because every last one is getting on to be 100 years old
Ones manufacturered between 1922-1924: IT'S COMING!!!
I have one in possibly the best condition ive ever seen one and i know nothing about it but it is litteraly brand new
You should have shown reassembly as that striker spring is a PITA as it supposed to sit in a grove in the slide but if it pops out when putting the slide on you have to start over or take a small screwdriver and pressing in through the back (not the proper way to do it but it works)
I have one of these, the 7.65 version.
I own a .25 and a .32 , both amazing little guns . Very accurate and easy to shoot.
Could you do a behind the scenes vid of how ya choose the guns and your process of shooting your vids?
Love how you could run both .32ACP and .380ACP with the quick change-out of the barrel and (I assume) a recoil spring!! Very nice lines and a beauty!!
I have a .32 ortgies and it's a great little shooter. Been looking for another one.
have one with the button safety....I hear it was an extra 10 dollars to order it with it.....makes it just a little safer if you place it in your pocket.... I fingers the pistol to be very accurate and of extreme craftsmanship picket mine up from a guy at a gun show that had three....all prices the same.....he didn't even know the rarity of the button safety....his loss my gain....excellent pistol will never get rid of it......
does the button do anything once the grip has been depressed?
@@MrBradaz111 If the gun is cocked, pushing the button lets the grip 'pop out' again. Otherwise, it also allows removing the slide.
With such a huge amount made, I'm surprised I've never heard of them.
I bought my first one a number of years ago (it is 2021 now). I'd never heard of them before either.
Last time I was this early the Infinite Warfare trailer had more likes than dislikes.
Eva Braun had one that sold for $30,000
Correction, with her name on a gold band on the left side it went for $34,500 !
Given to her by Der Fuhrer himself!
Nice! One great masterpiece from my Hometown :-P
As part of my fathers day relaxation, I am catching up on your videos. I wanted to say that I really enjoy what you do.
My grandfather has the first gen .32 auto Ortgies. The wood pieces on the grip are thin which would have a chance of breaking which it is more common to find ones that don't have the original factory wood panels.
Bland?!? I love my little Ortgies .32. It is in much nicer shape than the one you displayed. I think the oertgies history is interesting and the fact that it is very likely a souvenir brought back by an American soldier only adds to my enjoyment. Not all came from occupation forces. The famous Richard Winters (Band of Brothers fame) brought one back. It recently sold at auction too.
I just bought one of these because I thought it was cool sitting next to some glocks and other new guns. Then saw this video and I like it even more
I saw one for sale in a gun shop once. Should have picked it up.
I have the .32 - sweet shooting gun. New springs available from Wolff
I love my .32 Ortgies!
sooch00 does a great review on these guns! If you want to see them fired id recommend checking it out. The first time i watched his review i developed an interest for these guns. My local gun store has a 25acp model for 325$ right now and its mint so im debating on picking it up..
I lost it at the Turnip winter. great video.
A Perfect Day For Bananafish anyone?
Anyone know where I can buy a 38 barrel? Have a 32 and would love to be able to play with it
Yea, the line forms to the rear. I want a .38 bbl for mine as well - they're pretty much unobtainium/unaffordium!
One of the historic day in the life of our small town was the fact that the only prisoner ever electrocuted in our State Prison, a cop killer who had killed police officers in 3 States, including our fine Sheriff, this back in the 1940's was indeed captured here in our small town. The County Magistrate, who also operated the only dry cleaner in the city was given the privilage of throwing the switch on the electric chair, which had been borrowed from a nearby state, and was shipped by train to the pen for this execution. I had the honor of working for this gentleman when I was in High School, and he told me of that day. He was in on the arrest of the murder, since the Sheriff had been killed by him earlier and he was selected to fill in. When he did make the arrest, he was armed with an Ortgies .32, and used it during the arrest to cover the killer as he was handcuffed by a local police officer. That pistol is on display in our local museum, and many of the local population know the story of this killing. The reason South Dakota was allowed to keep the prisoner, even though he had killed in both Minnesota, and North Dakota was because South Dakota had the death penalty and neither of the other States had it at that time. In fact South Dakota still has the death penalty, and has used it most recently, having transitioned to lethal injection.
Do you think you could do a video on the Stetchkin pistol?
These are a very good quality gun .. Well made and accurate.
fixed barrel... nice touch!
Very nice pistols, why these pistols considered to be boring? I can't get it..
Probably because on the outside they feature just one of the main pistol designs of that time, and these were neither prominent World War guns, nor featured in any well known movies. This was one of the most popular pistols among sport shooters at that time, so they were probably very good.
I wonder if Hamada got some of his ideas from this pistol?
**edit** I see now you asked the same question.
I got to this video by accident and on the other hand, I was looking for informations to this gun for about 20 years. I live in Germany and about 20 years ago my mother found something strange in our garden while digging out some potatoes. Beside the potatoes she found some rusty piece of metal, that looked like a pistol. We did some further digging and I found some rotten bits of leather, I asume, it used to belong to the holster. On the first glance, it looked like a Walther PP on the front, but the rest of the gun does not fit to any model I had seen in my literature (Back than, I had not much good gun books, that descripted much appart from the usual guns...and the Ortgies was not a kind of mainstream weapon in the 2000s.) The gun was in a real worse condition, but being only a piece of rusted metall it could not being considered as a weapon and therefore it was legal for us to keep it. The wood grips were recogniceable and they still held the logo in them. Finaly with the help of a gun lexicon from the libary I could recognice it as an Ortgies model in 7,65mm. The function of the mentioned grip safety was a mystery until now, as I saw the video. The second and much bigger mystery was the origin of that particular gun in our garden. (X-File soundtrack starts in the background.) My great grandfather built that house in the mid/end 1920's and my grandfather was born 1928. My great grandfather was an army officer in WW I and WW II and in the time between the wars teacher and school principal. I assume, that he bought the Ortgies between the time the gun came out and 1933 because the Nazis didn't want civilists to own guns. He was send to east europe during the war and got inprisoned by the soviet army and came home 1947...and he didn't took the Ortgies as personal weapon, what my first thought was, because in the rang of an officer, he would be allowed, to purchase his own gun. But it stayed at home, otherwise it would had got captured and stayed somewhere in the Soviet union. And as the US Army marched in it was suddently unhealthy to get caught with a gun and under later soviet occation it was illegal to own guns (and sanctioned with death), so personal weapons had to vanish in the best and fastest way possible. So the Ortgies was burried in the garden. The true original ownership of the gun still keeps a mystery, because asking my grandfather, if he had ever seen this gun, he declined it. The way he said, that he knew nothing about it, was a bit strange, but many secrets from that time are still secret. My great grandfather walked home from the caucasus 1947 and was under severe pressure as he arrived home and was not allowed to work, so finaly he hanged himself in the kitchen. My great grandmother died 1979, my grandmother 2000 and finaly my grandfather 2014. So the last people, who may had known more are not anymore and during lifetime, the never talked much about the war. And even the few things my grandfather said, showed the traumatizing events he had to experience. (He was forced to serve as a Flak crew, when he was 16 and although he had not to endure the horror of front combat, it were a lot of things, a teenager should not experience. ) A lot of things in combination with that Ortgies pistol still stay a secret, but some technical mysteries with that gun were solved with this video. The wooden grip panels suddently felt of, as the wood dried out and I wondered, how they ever held in place...now I know it. The rusted in place magazine was empty, as I could see as the grip felt off. So the gun was unloaded, and stored in the holster and the grip safety was pressed in (!)...and also rusted in place.
Thank you for the video...it put light on some personal family history and a very interesting gun.
Greetings from Germany.
My Ortgies, in 6.35mm, was my father's but it was a made for export pistol. It has 'Germany' on the slide. I thought he must have gotten it in Germany but now I doubt that. They are common enough here and you could buy anything from drummers there but contraband was poison for German nationals. I did buy some cancelled stamps with Hitler's picture on them from a gentleman with a well stocked overcoat for a few pfennig.
And I meant to say, it is possible your grandfather knew nothing of that pistol or how it came to be buried there, if it was disposed of before the war. P S. My friend from the gun club said that after they had taken what they wanted from the surrendered civilian arms, mostly real antiquities, they would drive the tanks over them on the way out of town. Patton was moving fast.
You did not say but in re-reading your post, I wonder if you were/are in the former 'East' Germany. Your great grandfather would I assume have been allowed to work in West Germany after his return, the Communists were more punitive and retained a great deal of control. Such a sad story but it gives me mixed feelings. Suicide seems to be an act of violence against all of those who have loved you. I am not one who believes, 'your life is your own' to dispose of. You are the end product each of us of some fifty thousand years of two people loving each other and committing something to giving you a life. But this past century has been a watershed. It seems that if you are still in East, that there was a period of time you could have gotten out. I took the 'night train to Berlin' in the 50's and I have never been more scared in my life. Americans have never experienced the cold clamp of fear in your chest when presented with real terror. We tend to be glib about totalitarianism. I watched the three man teams search under the train throughout the night, the Berlin wall had not been built. You could escape east or west, either way worked. In to Berlin, or out to the west. They were searching the running gear of the train, an officer in riding type trousers and a 'Sam Brown' with an automatic pistol in a holster, a sergeant with a sub machine gun, and a private with a lantern and a dog. I was glad I was on the train, not under it, with my father, a combat infantry officer. I watched them running around the train, searching, in every small town we went through, all night long. They still wore the Nazi style uniforms, the insignia at the collars, the scalloped helmet. It was "The Night Train to Berlin" just like the movie. But it wasn't a movie, I was actually there.
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Thank you for sharing the memories. I was seven when the wall opend and I had not experienced the cruelties of the GDR-regime but I still have some memories that give me mixed feelings with the informations that are available now. The concepts of the both post-war Germanies is a bit weird. The Bundeswehr did everything to not look like the Wehrmacht but had adopted the leading concept of it (individual responsebilities called "leading from the front") and the NVA (Nationale Volksarmee) took the uniform design and the M44 steel helmet from the Wehrmacht (that was developed but not adopted in 1944 because they had other problems than to produce a new type of helmet) and the marching style and they definded themself as the following organisation of the German army but the leading concept was Sovjet-style.
So, if a movie production is or was looking for some Wehrmacht uniforms it was easy to buy NVA-uniforms cheap instead of making them on their own. The police (Volkspolizei) was using the MP 44 in 8x33mm and called it Maschinenpistole (and not Sturmgewehr ) until it was later replaced with the domestic Kalashnikov clone. So people in the 50's visiting East Germany could have had some impressions and flashbacks with the Germany from before 1945. I'm extremly glad, that the end of the GDR went that peacefull, while knowing the circumstanced before 1989.
@@michaelsommer5255 The great irony is, that you have managed to keep your Country, and we are losing ours.
Interesting history. My dad also brought one back at the end of the war. I have not only the pistol and holster but also his "bring back" papers. He said he took it off a German Major, a surgeon, who was carrying it when his unit captured a field hospital.
just subscribed. Awesome content!
Something I've wondered about guns that use the firing pin as the ejector is if you rack the slide really hard with a live round in it can it set of the primer?(probably harder than anyone should)
like after a misfire could racking the slide hit the primer hard enough to set it off?
or dose the extractor hold on lose enough for that to not happen?
That wasn't an "extractor", it was the "ejector". The ejector pushed the spent shell out. The extractor, was located on the slide, and is what pulls the spent shell from the chamber, so the ejector, can then push it out.
this is a semiauto pistol video that's not in the semiauto pistol playlist.
Great video. The grip safety seems a superior, stress friendly, concept to a traditional safety for a light pull SAO pistol, wonder why it didn't take off?
+toomanyaccounts Nothing modern/lightweight though, unfortunately.
Finally a gun I actually have
I actually like that safety. I wouldn't mind seeing that on a new production gun.
So going from .38 to .32 is just a matter of swapping the barrel and magazine, and not changing the actual firing mechanism, correct? Ignoring the barrel length restrictions, how would the legality of this gun work in Canada, since .32 handguns are illegal here?
Would it be prohibited altogether?
Or legal with a .38 barrel, but not a .32 barrel? If so, would it only be when attached to the gun that the .32 barrel becomes illegal, or would the part itself be completely banned?
I have no experience with guns beyond TH-cam channels like this, so I may be wrong, but my intuition would be the part that legally constitutes the firearm would primarily be the actual firing mechanism, from the trigger to the firing pin, and not the barrel. But wouldn't that make it simultaneously a .38 and .32 handgun, regardless of which was being used?
Perhaps my mistake is trying to understand firearms law in any way that can be described as "intuition".
Oops. I didn't even know there was a difference between .38 ACP and .380 ACP. Again, I don't really have too much knowledge of guns.
In any case, my question wasn't so much about this gun specifically as it was about the principle.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.38_ACP
@@HB-622A Caliber designations and origins are interesting. There are so many calibers invented up to now that it can be overwhelming to differentiate. But yes, the .38 ACP and it's later Super .38 auto loading of significantly higher power, (same case) were both way more powerful than .380 ACP, and more powerful ammo would overpower such a straight blowback pistol with its relatively lighter weight slide and recoil spring.
As far as being legal here, I think the gun with .380 barrel installed should pass as totally legal, (if registered) for what it is, not what it could become IF you went out and found another smaller caliber barrel
..... from an ex Army, fellow Canuck ;-)
FN 1910 inspired. So clean & sleek - not boring, and not ugly either - unlike so many modern guns. I find some of the 'constant squeeze' grip-safeties on my old FNs and other pistols tiresome and distracting, so I much prefer the Ortgies version.
I have four of the .32s and one in .25. The machine work on these is incredible. The rotating-barrel anchor-slot, and almost-invisible machine-lines at the rear of the slide are amazing for what was a relatively inexpensive piece in it's day.
I wonder what else the company might have gone on to build, had the Allied Commission not shut them down.
I'm glad someone is mentioning the beautiful machine work on these pistols, it's crazy how the machine lines on my .25 are basically non existant until you start to move the slide. Just such good craftsmanship for something inexpensive.
I have one in 32 acp. Shoots well. Wish I could fine the .380 barrel.
Me too. If you find two .380 barrels, buy them both and sell me one.
Why dont you guys just get one made? Would not be a colletive original, but you would atleast be able to shoot them in 380
interchangeable calibers seems as though im guessing it wasn't completely planned but integrating features that are selling points today.
interesting bit of history.
Oh man, this was one of my first pistols. Now I miss it.
The elegant Ortgies always appealed to me. Very nice pistols.
I hate boring ortgies
A good history of this gun grandpa’s was 32 act
You mentioned a lot of these coming over as 'trophy' guns from post war occupation forces; is this to mean they were 'taken' from civilians, or traded and bought from the locals, like a lot of the Khyber stuff?
Oor taken from enemy combatants who carried personal weapons.
Both.
+Rozmic Not really, after the unconditional surrender, the Allied commanders outlawed any kind of guns in German possession. Weapons had to be surrendered at designated locations, anyone not doing so and discovered to own weapons was punished according to rules laid out by the occupational forces (it usually meant forced labour without receiving the usual complement of extra ration cards this work was rewarded with).
That is nothing extraordinary though, the Germans went as far as to shoot any non-German civilian in occupied territories who owned guns. This was also used as the "legal" reasoning behind executing partisans on the spot, even after they surrendered.
Reaping the spoils of war. It was a common practice by victorious militaries world-wide. You won the war? You can take whatever the hell you want -- including guns.
Unfortunately, in this modern day and age, that isn't so common, as most 1st world countries will not allow soldiers to bring anything back with them, except their apparel.
My knowledge is that, for the United States of America, this spoils of war practice ended after the Vietnam War. Many firearms were brought back from Vietnam by soldiers, and the government didn't like it.
Germans done even worse than that, In Yugoslavia the would shoot 100 Serbs for any killed soldier. 50 for wounded.
That meant that Yugoslavian army in homeland could do very little to fight them effectively. That was very helpful for communist propaganda during and after the war.
I'm not sure but it seems like to take the grips off you can just push grip towards the rear to disengage the clip without having to enter the magazine well?
The back of the grip has a wood projection that fits the frame opening, limiting movement. You really have to press that metal release from the inside.
Aesthetically, I love these guns. Especially the grips.
Looks like a merger of a Colt Model 1903 and a Walther PP.
:P
I have a 25 caliber pistol but I am wanting to have an extra clip for it and I don’t know where I can find one. Can you help me it would be greatly appreciated.
I think PMM and 1911 need to work out who's paying child support to FN 1910.
so you've been covering Battlefield 1 because of its setting. Have you ever heard/played/seen gameplay of Verdun? If so, What do you think of it, Ian?
toomanyaccounts ok thx.
The firing mechanism originally had a defect in it. A certain part could break off and turn the gun into a fully auto that wouldn't stop till it was empty. If the magazine was full the gun would keep firing till it was empty. That was a significant failure
Blowback. Yes, I'd imagine some backs get blown at ortgies.
lol i have that weapon, it was from my great grandfather, the weapon is not boring at all, i use it when i go to shooting fields with my uncle, its a very effective weapon, very light and stable, nice review man cheers from argentina :)
PD: mine one is a 6.35 mm
Found this at my father in laws storage. We surrendered it to the police.
Don't try fire these pistols at all if you can help it because those little ears molded on the back of the firing pin can snap off. .. they are sort of delicate.. this is the only part of this gun known to break.. so no dry firing if you can help it
I suppose It would be s for sicher, and f for feuer. Not for s safe and f fire.
Ja, naturlich.😀
My dad gave me my grandfather's 32 auto ortgies. It has the free mason symbol in the handle custom.
It looks so cool. I love my pistol. Only i need a clip.
The turnip winter and us fat fingered americans was hilarious.
I was doing the Remora Holster/Alpine Survival booth at the Fredericksburg, Virginia gun show this past weekend, and a guy came by looking for a holster for I think the .25. It was a neat little pistol, interesting piece of history.
Hi, just a little thing to add: I cleaned my .380 Ortgies really thoroughly the other day and oiled everything including the grip safety itself, and now it does indeed work in such a way that it requires a firm grip on the gun (actually even pushing the safety just a little bit further) in order to fire in addition to disengaging the actual safety first. So it would seem to me that the idea is for the safety to work at two different stages. Which makes the gun considerably safer to operate in my eyes. Cheers from Germany!
Very nice video. Mine is filthy, may try to clean it up now...thanks
"Ah my dream of becoming a firearms magnate is finally a reality, I wouldn't trade it for the worl- you said how much? SOLD! See ya, nerds!"
Ortgies looks like a cleverly designed, effective pistol. Thanks
Does anyone know of any good sources for .32 ACP pistols? I'm working on a project about the "32 Revolution" in pistols in the late 1800s to interwar period.
Mine ess brought back from Germany by a friend of mibmnes father. Nice little gun. I think it's a take off of walther ppk.
Very detailed and interesting. I’ve often thought I would like to pick up a .25!
How much are they worth?
Reminds me of the browning blowbacks. For its time it seems like a perfectly good self defense pistol. Hell its not ideal but it doesnt seem like it would be a bad gun today even
I have a FN 1910 , a early model that came with horn grips but with a set of these grips on it. they do have a home drilled in them for a screw. Is it possible this as a early conversation since the horn grips curled back up?
I would really like to have the example i have looked at by someone that knows somthing about them, it’s seriously brand new
Also my example is in 32
How common is it for pistols or firearms in general to have this sort of hollow striker whose spring goes inside the striker rather than around it? Any other examples?
Edit: Apparently the FN 1910 and its derivative 1922 at least had such strikers.
Also the French MAB blowbacks, similar to the FN 1910/1922.
Luger and Nambu both.
If the 1911 and the Makarov had a baby
Great stuff as always. :)
We had a .25 version come through the FFL where I worked. Interesting little pistol.