99% Of Woodworkers Do Not Know This About A Table Saw
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ธ.ค. 2023
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Don't miss this video because it will expand your table saw capacity !
This is a must see for every woodworker. Stick around for the
added bonus turning your table saw into the ultimate work station.
Hey there it's Wes...If you have any projects or specific questions you might need help with go to
www.woodworkingwithwes.com
Hi Wes, I’m a 78 year old retired graphic designer turned woodworker working on the second floor of a three car garage. You have some great tips.
Thank you...I sincerely appreciate your comment! Wes
Awesome job. I learned something new. Thanks. I’m a young 71 year’s residential builder that’s always wanted a nice work shop. I have the tools but I lack the time to get everything set up like I want it. You’ve given me some good ideas 😊
I am a 72 year old former Carpenter. 30 years ago or so, I copied bees Myers system. I made the fence and front rail just as you did.
That was the best thing I have ever done to that old Craftsman table saw.
thank you for your video.
Surprised your saw does not have a riving knife!
99% of TH-cam producers who use “99% of …” as a catch line made up their numbers from thin air.
No hard feelings.
Good video.
I'm still wondering what I don't know!
Wes, forgot to mention that I also extended the miter slots by routing those in the outfeed, once I got the width and depth correct I went back and did a very slight chamfer on the slots to keep them from chipping. those extended miter slots really come in handy when using a miter gauge or a cross cut sled...
I would have hinged the outfeed so it could be folded away and why no riving knife or blade guard on your table saw?
would love to have that much space. Why no splitter or riving knife
Good tutorial! Thank you, Wes. I always look forward to watching your new videos.
To put it short and simple, you did a fantastic job with an outstanding tutorial explaining it. Thanks and may all your projects turn out as well made as this.
Hi...thank you very much for your kind words, Wes
Wes, great job and thanks for sharing. This coming summer I am adding into my house that will give me about a 24’ x 30’ space basement space for a woodworking shop. I may copy some of your ideas. You are the best. Thanks again.
I did the same thing on my table saw. It is so easy to do and so much cheaper!
Good video as usual!
Outstanding....!! I especially like the support you have that still allows you to open the dust clean out...! Also the extra long fence...very nice!
Hey Wes, Great video! I have something very similar on my Delta Unisaw and it's awesome to have all that space especially when sawing full sheets. The one thing I did was attach the Melamine with screws from underneath so there would be no screws showing on top. I also edge banded the entire raw table edges with 3/4" Maple, I think it looks much better but also because Melamine has a tendency to chip especially when you screw or nail it through the top. Another reason is when I clean and wax my cast iron saw top I also do all the Melamine out feed table. It makes the wood glide like it's on a cushion of Air and it extends the life of the table. I've had my current table on the saw for seven years now with lots of use and it still looks really good.
Thats good idea!
Hey Wes! Happy to see a new vid!
That is the best outfeed table for a table saw I’ve ever seen.
I’m excited to watch more of your copycat furniture builds; it’s fun to watch you reverse, engineer tables and cabinets etc.--they’re some of the best furniture vids on TH-cam.
Thanks and glad you’re back!
Thank you so very much for your kind words! Yep...lots of fun projects coming soon. Wes
Thanks Wes, this is an excellent out feed table, with sooo much room.👍
Well done Wes. I do all my work in a double garage, so the cabinet saw is on wheels.. What you have there is great. Lots of room and an outfeed table and saw fence can never be to big.. Thats for sure.
Told my wife a mans shop needs to be twice the size of his home. (didn't have room at home, had to buy a shop a few blocks away, 30 x 60. Ended up getting it free)
Your generosity in taking all the time to share your obvious expertise was so kind as well as brilliant. Thank you
Glad it was helpful! Thank you very much for your comment! Wes
Awesome video, probably the best idea/project I've seen on TH-cam all year. Fantastic, can't thank you enough for the videos you produce, great quality and craftsmanship as well as you hit a good price point vs so many out there who use all the expensive Baltic birch and it's just overkill on quality and price. Thanks! Love your videos ❤
Wow, thanks...I am glad you enjoyed the video. Wes
Boy I wish I had that amount of space. Great table & good advice! Nothing fancy, just straight forward and easy to understand. I'll take a few of your tips and apply them to my 'mini' table saw. As I only have a small 15 X10 foot shop, so I need to have my out feed area foldable. But I can keep it level with the saw bed. So when the winter is over I will get cracking at it. I have some built in wardrobes to build and your tip with the cleats is a gem.
Glad you are back Wes!
Thank you...I appreciate your comment. Wes
What a great table. I've never seen the large legs on an outfeed bench like that; it looks robust! And the melamine top is so great for sliding work across! Well done. Always feels like I'm with my dad in the woodshop when I watch your videos, Wes. Thanks.
I miss my dad 😥
Oh my, I feel the same way & I miss my Daddy too 😊 - I’m even naming my shop after that crazy dude!
Never had a Dad....
@@dgperforms1 with a comment like that it’s no wonder nobody claimed you
@@liquidrockaquatics3900 With a comment like this anyone I know would deny any knowledge of you. (get a life)
Wes, great build, love your channel. You are always very thoughtful and a great teacher. I absolutely love your projects and you are very practical. Keep 'em coming.
I do need to comment on your table saw safety as I feel that it sends the wrong message to your viewers. You are awesome but table saw safety is a responsibility that we all need to speak up about. I do see that you don't have a riving knife and guard on your blade. As a sergeant safety guy and an educator it is concerning. People feel that it is okay to lean forward over a turning, unguarded blade and even reach across the blade as they use their table saw. 65,000 table saw accidents in the US in a year, yikes. In all likelihood, most or all are avoidable with planning.
People don't consider that the margin of error is extremely small even if you are aware and careful. No one considers that the margin of error decreases exponentially if you are distracted by another person, loud noise, pet, or worse, an unforeseen medical event. A person has a shooting pain in their chest, or perhaps what they call an ice pick headache - unexpected shooting pain, or any other disruptive event which causes a person to drop their hand unexpectedly on to or across the moving blade. Or, as they are pushing stock into or across the blade and for some unforeseen reason they slip. Tragic.
Keep in mind the issue is not what any one person has done for years and decades without an issue, it is the "one time" that results in a devastating, life altering accident. Is it worth the time or inconvenience of using a guard and safety measures, ie riving knife, hold downs? Obviously not. We are getting older and incur health issues as we get older. Issues that can disrupt us unexpectedly, which can happen to any one at any age, increase with advancing age. I continually see unguarded table saws on TH-cam, This Old House, and HGTV. Great programs sending the wrong message to earnest woodworkers. Yes, at times I remove the guard for operations that I cannot do with a guard. But I employ other safety measures, I keep my hands away from the blade, I never ever reach over or past the blade. I use push sticks whenever possible. I turn off my saw and let the blade stop before I retrieve my work or clear scraps near or past the blade. I always re-install the guard as soon as I no longer need it off.
I'm a teacher and we would never let students use unsafe practices that I see are a regular part of so many table saw videos today. Use a guard and a riving knife whenever possible. Don't reach beyond a spinning blade. Use hold downs whenever possible. Use push sticks and steer clear of spinning blades. Accidents are avoidable and safety should always be our first priority. Stay safe and happy woodworking!
I wish I had the space for an outfeed table that large in my shop. Looks like a great design with a huge capacity.
I re-mounted my saw fence rails so that I can cut up to 36" (it is meant for 30" normally) and made a movable 4x4' outfeed table that can be swung around or moved to either side depending on my needs. I have large locking/leveling wheels on it to make moving and aligning it easy. I doubles as an assembly table with dog holes and MatchFit channels and have a full shelf under for storage.
Very happy to see you have a Power Matic table saw and not a Saw Stop table saw.
thank you Wes.....cheers from Florida, Paul
Some great ideas - thank you
You missed a great opportunity to put drawer units under your table. Few people have that kind of space to waste in a home shop no matter the size of the output table.
Hi...storage underneath is for another video :)) Thanks for watching, Wes
I’m so happy to see you! I was wondering what happened. Glad you’re back!
Great idea Wes. Sometimes you get the bar and sometimes the bar gets you
A friend of mine gave me a saw exactly like yours except it has a much longer table to the right. I just got it set up a few weeks ago and have used it several times and that thing is a beast. I never knew what I was missing with my old table saws.
I would have painted the new bar PM gold like the old one. Nice job.
Congratulations on your new workshop. Thanks for making these videos and also for sharing your knowledge. I appreciate it. I'll be waiting for more videos as you put your shop together. Here's an idea... add to the information on how much you spent to make each project.
Thank you!! That is a great suggestion we should incorporate. Wes
Wes, thanks for the tutorial! This is a great outfeed table idea. Are you planning on routing dados to accommodate mitre bars for each slot for when you exit a crosscut? Will you show that process in a future video? Also, in my experience, I’ve had problems with outfeed tables that are flush with the tablesaw rather than 1/16th or so lower in case there’s any swelling from moisture in the air. Is this something to worry about?
I've had problems with particle board in general when it's exposed to humid conditions. As the wood particles expand and shrink, the board starts to lose its structural support capabilities. Laminate countertops over a dishwasher also suffer from this as the humid air comes out during the drying cycle. It doesn't happen overnight, but I wouldn't use particle board for much where I live. It's probably ok in drier regions.
WoW! I’m finally in the 1% club! 😂. Didn’t think that I would ever make it, thanks for the join!
Hero mode activated! Love it and wish I had your skills for all this.
Super nice and practical
Great show Wes! Wished you would have cut the dado slots before your final Melamine screwdown but I'm sure you have a plan. I plan on building an outfeed table for my new 2400 Sqr foot shop, but I may make it a little longer and not as wide on the left side of blade. Not saying my way is better, just sharing what my initial plans are for now. Great vid!
Looks awesome. I really enjoy your videos
I have a very similar situation with a short Delta Unisaw with a 30" fence and had planned to either replace it with a longer rail or build it my self. You have a very nice setup shop but I noticed you painted over the two spots where the contact pads grip onto the fence rail. Friction should abrade it away but the paint may cause the fence to stick and gum up with paint.
Love the new shop glad to see you back buddy.
Thank you very much for the support and comment!! Wes
Awesome build! Thanks
Glad you like it...I appreciate the comment. Wes
Awesome 😻love it
Fantastic!! Many thanks, Wes. Subscribed and liked 😉.
Good stuff Wes!
nice job!!!!!!!!!!
I’m so glad you are healthy, so thankful you’re back,OH HAPPY DAYS!!🤩🤩
Haha...thank you for your kind words. Glad to be making videos again. Wes
Very nice outfeed table. I was wondering why you didn't get a longer angle-iron piece to support the back end of the fence. Now I know that the table will do that. Thanks for sharing your design.
I don’t understand how the table top supports the back end of the fence. The angle iron is recessed below the table top which I assume is the fence support and is lower by approximately 1.5”. Wouldn’t the angle have to be extended as well? What am I missing here? 🤷♂️🇨🇦👍👨🦳
Nice!
Happy for you and have learned a lot from you. My shop is only 16 X 16", so I don't have to go very far to find anything LoL Looking forward to seeing your new videos and projects.
Hi...thanks for your comment. I started with a shop that size too! Good luck with your future builds, we have lots of videos coming, Wes
Wow that is one kool table saw 👏👍👍
Maravilloso.
very cool idea with the fence extender, out of curiosity were you able to still maintain acceptable square to the blade? wouldn't any bend in the new fence be exaggerated with its great length?
Hi...I have not experienced any variation in square because the new fence extender bar is made of heavy duty tubular steel. Thanks for watching, Wes
What would you ever cut with the fence set 60" or more away from the blade? I don't think I would try even a 4' wide panel, certainly not 2' wide as it would likely bind and spin back across the shop.
That’s going to be one heck of a shop Wes!
Thank you!! I think I will enjoy it. Happy Holidays, Wes
Nice!!!
Great video. I'm lucky to have a very big shop and I have a Biesemeyer rip guide . I have a Delta cabinet saw and a delta contractor saw so I modified the right side of the rip fence and mounted the contractor saw to the right of the cabinet saw. Now I have a double saw same rip guide but a regular blade in cabinet saw an a dado blade in the contractor saw. Now I do all my rips on one then lower the bade and slide the rip guide over and do all my dados without having to change blades. I have been doing this for about 8 years now.
Wow that is very efficient! Sounds great, thanks for watching! Wes
Hi Wes. I just stumbled across your channel and subscribed because I like your style. And now I've commented; so that helps too 😊
Welcome aboard...thank you so very much for the comment! Wes
thanks for sharing
My pleasure...thanks for watching, Wes
I am currently finishing my partially finished 2 car garage and wiring it up for a shop. I have been trying to get shop space setup ideas and this is what I was looking for. I know where I need to put my 220 lines now. ❤
Thank you...glad the video was a help. 😀 Wes
This all works very well. I don't know why you made the legs so large though. I would have done 3x3 or 4x4. What will you be doing with all the space underneath the table? Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂
Well done!
Thank you very much! Happy Holiday, Wes
fantastic, really good outfeed table----wish i had thought about this 25 years ago when i made mine---very informative video-----thanx rick
Me too haha! Thanks Rick
great project. did you make it look better or worse with the bondo? if you paint that flat black, you wouldn't see all the waves in it. i suppose it doesn't really matter. thanks for sharing.
He reminds me of Bruce McGill. Good work!
Great video and a dream outfeed table for any woodworker. Plus you can use it as a tornado shelter or bomb shelter when you aren’t cutting on it. That is a beefy table.
No riving knife, no guard. My kinda guy!
Hey Wes! Glad to see a new video. A question about the crown stapler that you use....what size is it and what brand?
Hi...the staple is 1/2" wide crown, 1 3/4" length and 16 gage. The gun is an old one I bought second hand years and years ago and I don't know the brand :)) Thanks for watching, Wes
Wes - thank you for the work you are putting in to instruct and inspire your audience. Can you provide the overall dimension of the table saw and table vs the single-car space it seems to occupy? I’m downsizing my shop to a single-car space and am concerned about sizes. Appreciate it!
Yeah, wondering about something smaller for my tiny space, though the ability to cut 24.5" W is probably what I'll have to live with. I do have a large outfeed, however.
The overall size of the saw and table is 59" x 120". A smaller shop space would just require reducing the size of your out table build. The single bay width of my garage is 144". Thanks for watching, Wes
Hello Wes, I am so glad you're back I was beginning to get worried about you I've been checking about every other day, how are you doing Wes you look good and I'm glad you got a new shop, and welcome back I love that outfeed table you should have made some cubby holes or some shelves or something underneath it for added storage.😁
Thank you for your kind words. I actually will be adding some storage, thanks for the tip Happy Holiday, Wes
@@WoodworkingWithWes Happy Holidays Wes, to you and your Family.
Can't say I've never been accused of overbuilding stuff, but holy smokes! That thing could withstand a nuclear attack! I'm sure you're going to get a lot of great usage out it. Great idea on fabbing your own rail too! (I probably would've had it powercoated - a bit more costly but more durable.) Wish you would have shown more of a wide overall shot of the finished project but great job.
That’s a beautiful and strong table
Thank you very much. Happy Holiday, Wes
I wondered where you went, well thought out project and you will reap benefits..
Thank you very much...I appreciate your being part of our community, Wes
i was considering a new music studio desk with 3/4" MDF, but never thought of using Particle Board. Its a bit cheaper & seems quite sturdy, so I may go with it instead. those legs would also make for great speaker stands, maybe fill them with something to make them a bit heavier in case they get bumped into.
i appreciate the video & congratulations on the new space! i wish had that much room haha
Thanks for watching and good luck with your project. Happy Holiday, Wes
Nice Job. It seems your dust system is working well.
Thank you, Wes
First shop I ever worked in over 30 years ago had a biesemeyer fence that had a 100” cutting capacity. Only one like it I ever saw.
I know it's just an outfeed table, but it looks stronger than most decks on the back of people homes.
Very nice.
Thank you...I appreciate the comment. Wes
Hi Wes, I was really worried about you, glad to see you back! Beautiful build, do you prefer white over black or gray for this application? Oh and congrats on the move.
Hi...I do prefer white for tables in the shop. To me it makes the shop look cleaner. Hey thanks so much for your kind words. Wes
My 60s Delta Unisaw this long fence was an option to cut to 52in and came with an extention table with 2 steel support legs. I was also able to get a mobile base for the whole rig. 3hp 220v motor tops it off. Not much more I could ask for and it is actually rated as a production saw so it will run constantly thru an 8hr shift. Love the old girl. Some jobs I literally have to shovel out the base as I have not yet hooked up my dust extractor for it but soon.
Hi...I served my first apprenticeship on a saw exactly liked that 😀 Thanks for the comment! Wes
I too used white Melamine for my out feed table. I made mine 8 feet to the rear of the saw to hold full sheets. I used a router to make grooves to match the miter slots on the table saw so my miter gauge and sleds would have full motion . I was surprised that you focused so much on width and not on length. I bought a couple of sturdy steel rollers on stands to assist with the infeed support. I found that using a track saw is a lot easier than man handling full sheets on a table saw.
8 feet? 5 feet should be more than enough. There's more than a foot left on the table saw top. That, with a two foot overhang, would mean that 75% of the 8' sheet is supported.
@@davidbroadfoot1864 If you cut materials like I do that are 12 ft long a 5ft out feed is really not enough 6ft should be. I have an 8ft outfield myself. Built with shelving underneath so I have a place to store things. Works and looks good
@@chuckhansen5325 We were talking about "full (8 foot) sheets".
What about the other side of RIP fence.
Wes, I have a sliding table saw and a powermatic table saw. There is no comparison between the two. The sliding table saw is the way to go.
Nicely done, as a finish carpenter, I have installed many hand rails. One thing code requires for us,( I'm in Washington state), is that there be a return to the wall. Also, the hand rail height must be between 34"- 38" off of the nosing of the tread. You did a great job, just wanted to chine in.
I did that 30 years ago on my Unisaw except I went extreme, 8'1" to the right and 4'4" to the left. You need to add the longer mounting rails as well but it was still cheaper than ordering longer stuff from Biesemeyer. The best I can remember the longer material cost me about $150.00 from the local steel fabricators/erectors shop. In the early 80s I put the Biesemeyer T Square 52" Commercial fence on our old 1970s Rockwell Unisaw. It was somewhere around $380.00 shipped if I recall right. Big money back then. I had plenty of room 40'X60' shop. I had 4 other table saws set up to do specific jobs two of which I put the VEGA Saw Fence system on, dedicated rip saw and dedicated dado. I set my support table so I could cross cut or rip 4x8 sheet goods by myself and it would not tip off the work surface. I don't think I ever used that fence past 60 inches!
Hi...sounds like a great shop!! Thank you for the comment, glad you visited the channel. Wes
That is how a cabinet shop sets up a table saw. I have two saws as a saw set up like yours isn't the best way for small work as you have to move around the saw putting some moves out of reach. The saw set up like your saves a lot of time on larger work.
Great video. Are you going to extend the mitre slots?
Hi...not sure yet :)) Thanks for watching, Wes
I built a 5’x4’rolling torsion box work table that is also the right height to double as an outfeed table. Built it out of 2x4’s and MDF. From that experience I might suggest that making it flush with the table saw could be a problem in a shop that’s not well climate controlled. Only really happened one humid summer big it seemed to get just a bit taller and would have to bump over the edge. Think maybe an 1/8” inch shorter would probably take care of any expansion and not throw off the cuts.
Your original fence rail had a ground front surface, which is part of why it's so expensive. Your new one doesn't. That ground front edge is critically important because it's where the fence registers, so it has to be absolutely straight. Have you measured how straight that new front edge is? Any deviation from a straight line will cause your fence to deviate from parallel to the saw blade and miter slots.
Wes, I have a large sawstop and struggle cutting large plywood on it. Do you find the large tabletop makes that task manageable?
Hi...absolutely I do! Thanks for watching, Wes
Average woodworker....but I don't understand what you would need that capacity for? Especially now with track saws. And having it with such a long fence, it forces you to move the saw out into the room, potentially taking up valuable floor space. Just wondering..........
Wes, What model pneumatic orbital sander do you use and recommend? Any reason you prefer air to a battery or corded model? Great videos and thank you.
Hi...I use a Dynabrade palm sander. This is the sander most used in a commercial cabinet industry and I like the results that it gives. Thanks for watching, Wes
I use shelves to put saw blades on one side misc. tools on the other side put my saw in middle of my shop
Wow that is great . What kind of fence is that on your saw ??. Thanks
It is an Accu-fence by Powermatic. Thanks for watching, Wes
Beautiful job on that outfeed table and workspace. I wish I had that kind of space. I have such a small shop and too many tools. But I put everything on wheels. In order for me to be able to turn around in my shop. When I do any work in particular on my cabinet saw. I have to wheel a bunch of my machines outside in the driveway. It's very difficult in the winter. I'm in the north in Canada. Weather here is cold, with a lot of ice and snow. I live above what is called "The Snow Belt."
Once I clear things out and close the insulated doors, as my double car garage is my shop. I can put on my heater and work in the warm. I installed a 22 foot "U" Tube sealed combustion, radiant, natural gas heater on the 12 foot high ceiling. It works great.
But what I was going to say about an outfeed table. I installed an outfeed top attached to my saw. I put it on hinges, so when I pull the saw (on wheels) out from the wall I can raise the outfeed. It works just fine. My bar for my fence used to be 60 inches but it was always a problem. So I had to cut it down to take 48 inches. It's a double fence. The table to the right of the saw blade is a Router Table with the other attached fence for the Router and there is a hose port for dust collection.
Like you showed when cutting your project wood. I don't have any guard or riving knife on my saw either. Just an open blade. You did your cuts very easy. I always seem to have trouble. As the sheet of wood is on the other side past the blade. It always seems to want to pull away from my fence and move toward the blade. I usually use a thin push stick in the cut past the blade to keep the wood pushed up aganst the fence. I have had a few kickbacks, this is how I avoid it.
Looking forward to further developments in your new shop. Subbed for continued updates.
All The Best.
Sounds like you have overcome many challenges to keep working. You are awesome!! Thanks for joining our community...loved hearing about your shop! Wes
I made one 104” Long on mine 30 years ago
Great build Wes! Love the watching your videos.
Am I losing my mind or are you not cutting with a riving knife installed?
I had made a project table. Legs were 2x6 nailed at a L shape at the corners and in the middle. I used T nuts and elevator bolts with a jam nut for leveling on all 6 legs. The top is jointed 2x4’s and 3 layers of MDF with the first layer sealed underneath. I found a roll of Formica in a 5x10 length at a local wood supply store a customer had ordered but never picked up. They made me a deal. I edge banded it all in maple. Then one day as I was beginning the remodel of my shop, I said to myself, self, you should use that project table as an outfeed table. It has been the best thing if done. I urge others to do the same. You won’t be sorry! I love the Formica top, glue just pops off. Stains clean right up. Seems indestructible. Well worth the money.
Hi...that is awesome!! Thanks for your comment, very interesting, Wes
All that free space for activities ...