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Back Bay train collision 29 years later
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ธ.ค. 2019
- Extremely highly requested by too many users to count. An Amtrak train goes too fast on an underground approach in Boston and the crew of the Amtrak are extremely questionable.
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*huge train collision* nobody dies
*tiny car wreck* almost 20 people die
Confusion isn’t it?
These are confusing times.
very confusing
*commercial plane slams into ground nose-first and engines catch fire* 90% survive...
George Carlin: *Luckily no one was hurt.*
Trains collide in a tunnel, locomotives destroyed, 5 amtrak cars and one MBTA coach crushed, cause structural damage and a hole in the street, and their death count was ZERO?!?!?!
No lives lost at all. That is a Hell of a relief.
@@patricklee1633 No! that's the Grace of God!
@@ralphsanchico2452 Facts
@ralphsanchico2452 nah they just had the thomas the tank engine narrator on one of the trains (luckily no one was hurt)
It's a shame the apprentice was canned. It sounds like he made the mistake of listening to that moron who was training him. Glad no one was killed in this situation.
fire both to hid the fact management fucked up. Amtrak didn't learn with that cascades derailment. 5 people in a cab designed for 2. 1 trip and your on your own. what could go wrong.
Nick McFarland But... there’s such a thing as common sense. He had already done two round trips on this line. Even as an apprentice engineer, you don’t understand that your going to fast?
Yes your being trained, but your at the throttle. Think!!
When I was firing if I was going under the speed limit for that section of track the engineer would ask if I we were in a slow order I would say yes being a smart ass, but I knew my capabilities at that time and it didn't help that he wasn't paying attention. Some engineers I just layed off to avoid working with them because of their reputation.
Rick Abramson was (and still is) a know-it-all and his instructor had a heart of gold when it came to training apprentice engineers. Mr. Copeland trusted him, and he failed miserably. The trainee should've stuck to playing with his toy trains.
No it's a shame that this dangerous Engineer was not canned when he started running red lights! In my day we would have all been gone! Today's conductors work with one hand tied behind their back. The railroad is no place for stupid fuck ups ! In 30 years I never had any trouble. I kicked ass and took names when I had to and the railroad BACKED me up !
Honestly, I think that only Copeland should've been fired, as Abramson was inexperienced and had a bad instructor (Copeland).
Agreed.
True but he should've also known to read the speed limit signs and know how to follow them.
@@IIGrayfoxII Try overruling a supervisor's decision sometime.
@@LetsGoChaseThatTrain who is in charge of the throttle?
It's an accident that all Boston/MA railfans know and remember...
Even though we were not around 29 years ago....
Yes.
Agreed
Yup
Yes
Oh you're a youngster eh?😁🌟⭐🌈👍
And with that, you’ve done documentaries for all the wrecks in your very old video “Top 5 deadliest wrecks in Amtrak’s history” video. Way to go Thunder!!
Ryan's Colorado Rail production is that you
And of course 3 years later, we had the Sunset Limited wreck.
That wasn't Amtrak's fault, at least not directly.
@@JCBro-yg8vd No it wasn't. It wasn't anyone's fault that day.
@@AutZentus Well, it was partially the fault of the ship captain who was piloting his craft in dense fog without radar guidance. That's what caused his ship to strike the bridge and knock it out of place, he probably didn't know or realize at the time (if he had he should've called in to report the damage so Amtrak could stop all trains).
@@JCBro-yg8vd Yeah but you have to remember that he couldn't do much of a thing because of the fog that screwed with his view even with the lights on.
You mean Big Bayou?
I feel bad for Abramson because he was just inexperienced,and had a bad teacher
I’m sure he could have put together they guy was a shithead though
The conductor was not doing his job either. The conductor is ultimately responsible for operating rules compliance. I was a strict conductor who would stop the train and put off on the ground anyone who did not OBEY my orders and theirs. I didnt have to do it often but its better than to let some God damn idiot destroy the train and take innocent lives. Conductors should be issued BASEBALL bats !
@@almilani4300 but the BLE might not like it.
If I were the conducter at ruggles, I would have switched off the power for the rails like the 8888 runaway train
Copelin was worse to be honest tho
Imagine just casually driving, and a giant hole appears in the road... That would be terrifying!
My close friend happened to witness the full crash while she was waiting, several tracks over, on the Back Bay Station platform for the Orange line subway train, to go to her job in downtown Boston. Not only did she see the collision, she mentioned that the noise of the collision was huge and extended, as the approximately 76 mph traveling Amtrack train, derailed, collided with the adjacent Commuter Rail train, and jack knifed, punching a hole in Dartmouth St, the street level roadway overhead.
Days later, shortly after they had cleared the crash carnage, I rode a daytime Amtrack train, going from Boston to Washington D.C., slowly past the crash area, with columns and surfaces temporarily shored up, as tunnel repairs were being completed.
This made me surprised, I'm not kidding, it did.
That no one was killed but 453 were injured and the wreck.
Car crash at 4 miles per hour: DIE
Train crash at around 60 miles per hour and almost all the stuff destroyed: I’ll allow it
4 miles per hour would only cause a dent. That would be something around 100 mph, which garuntees death even with a seatbelt
At 5mph hitting A car is actually pretty bad I actually had someone back into me at that speed once and it felt like I had whiplash but no dent so maybe it could kill someone at like 15-20 depending on the object the vehicle collides with.
I feel bad for the apprentice getting fired. The teacher was flawed. I wonder how the kid made out. Great video as always. What could be TH-cams reason for not monetizing your videos? Stock in Amtrak? Lol.
it is part of TH-cam's understanding of proper ethics that TH-cam does not allow one to earn money off another's tragedy, that is, all videos dealing with disasters cannot be used for advertisement...
one can discuss whether that is right or not, but that is the current social rules in this community, rules, that I can sort of understand the thinking behind... though I do not totally agree with it.
Stanislav Kostarnov I can understand the logic behind that, but I just fail to see how a tasteful documentary could possibly be perceived as inappropriately profiting off someone’s suffering.
The teacher caused so many people
@Deon Denis if advertisers don’t want to be associated with this content then why do I still get ads?
Yeah I was kinda sad they fired the apprentice. It’s not his fault they GAVE HIM a dangerously reckless instructor! Amtrak was just trying to cover their ass that was hanging out, in the media optics.😒
I remember this happening. Dartmouth (Pronounced “Dart-Myth) Street had to be re-paved. It didn’t make a hole but the engines hit the ceiling of the tunnel so hard the part of the street sunk down a bit. Another great video, friend!
Road Weary213 Pronounced just like the college in New Hampshire.
Ladies and gentlemen, he is back, this is not a drill, HE IS IN FACT, BACK
That profile pic of yours I'm joining that branch some time.
Um why does it say you posted this 23 hours ago but it the video has been released 1 hour ago
@@wetplant1748 you can comment on videos before they release if they're using TH-cams premiere feature, which this video did. Thus people posted comments when the video was announced, not when it first premiered
@@wetplant1748 he commented when it was set to premiere.
Oof
I’ve been binging your videos for the past day or so & I have to say this is one of my favourites so far. How on earth no one died in that crash to me is a miracle - a train literally landed on top of another train and killed no one…. Wow.
Deffo one of my favourite TH-camrs atm!
It’s confusing of how nobody died my brain is hurting trying to process of how nobody died
I think the MBTA train was still stopped at the station, correct? That would mean no forward momentum to injure people in the train with the most passengers. Also, the Amtrak train had just a little over 100 people on it and the first passenger car was the fourth car in the train. Everything else was just pure luck.
You have a brain?
@@zombiefootsoldier2983 Brainz
Magic.
Why oh why am I so in love with AEM-7s?? They are shaped like a loaf of bread, and here I am wanting a sammich.
Their nickname is "toasters."
They have a certain toughness and mechanical sexyness about them. I love the polished aluminum look too.
I dont think they look like toasters. 😅😅😅
But everyone else sees/visualizes it.
Just take out the engine parts and cover the windshields. 😅😅😅
Based on the Swedish Rc4 from ASEA.
XD BREAD TRAIN XD
I felt that happen while in my apartment at 400 Columbus Avenue getting ready for work. I worked in the building I lived, so I left and went to see what all of the chaos was at Back Bay Station. I always thought that there was one or two deaths as a result of that, but I could be wrong.
Finally. I’ve always wanted to know more, a lot more About this train crash then I was actually taught in 6th grade. Thank you so much for making this!
Josh Brony/train/pilot wait, they taught you about this in the 6th grade????
The Rubber Cop. Yes actually. I was very interested in trains since I was about 2. I only discovered wrecks when I was in 5th Grade.
A major reason for the lack of fatalities was that it happened in the middle of Boston. Many ambulances and hospitals. No fire. None of the cars telescoped because the trains didn't collide head on.
Training costs money, crews work hours that are too long. Years ago a New Haven passenger engineer had 20 years on freight before he went on passenger. Not just a few weeks! Plus that mail car on the head end saved peoples lives. No mail is on Amtrak anymore, the railroads and the trucking lobby demands that business.
I really appreciate your work mate.
I absolutely love my model trains and watching the weird and wonderful trains that roll through my sleepy seaside town in the UK. It's great to remind people, including myself, of the potential dangers these wonders of engineering pose. Thank you all the best!
YES I BEEN waiting for this to come!!!!!
Good for you!
Me to
On December 12th, 1990, Amtrak Train 66 The Night Owl collided with MTA Commuter Train 906, 453 were involved injured the crash collision and there were killed in the collision. The accident cost 14 million dollars in damage.
When the amtrack train was derailing i got an ad, DARN YOU ADS!
This will probably be just as exciting and interesting as every other train wreck documentary you made.
After watching, i was right.
It’s such bull that TH-cam demonizes these videos keep up the great work
Hey just a tip: I know you probably do already, but maybe watch through your vids and listen to the audio levels? I live in an apartment with 3 roomates and you're awfully quiet, but every sound effect is loud AF as is all the music you use. It makes watching these a little tedious having to adjust the volume all the time, but they're great other than that. Keep it up
Great video. I remember this collision. I was 10 yrs. old when this happened and remember trying to get through that area with my parents. Thanks for the memory friend, you are a great uploaded of these kinds of stuff. Have a happy holidays and hope yt won't demonitize you further.
Love your videos, please dont stop making them! I’ll donate as soon as I can!
I once raildanned at back bay station.... I could see the turn where the collision happened.
The Chicken lovers do you mean “rail-fanned”?
How the hell did no one get killed in this wreck? It looked fatal as soon the Amtrak PH left the tracks and hit the coaches and tipped over. Another brilliantly narrated vid Thunderbolt, keep it up
Everett's Emergency Vids *Thats Gods Plan* He Works In Ways No One Understands
@@southernsignalfilms4157 very true, seen a van smack into a lorry and the driver just walked away unscathed.
me: how many people died
thunderbolt: amazingly not a single person was killed
*O K T H E N*
I love this channel so much it’s interesting and train wrecks I never knew about it’s crazy
Aside from some minor pronunciations, your content is phenomenal. Thank you!
The fact nobody was killed in this wreck was a miracle.
You've really branched out further than I thought!
You do a great job on these train crash videos
Trust me, I completely appreciate your TH-cam situation. (Not to mention, I'm a former Philadelphian.)
Holy crap, I've been taking MBTA commuter trains via Back Bay for almost a decade (well, was taking it, up until covid) - and never heard of this!
Great video! also loved the use of Train Simulator! :D
I'm here a year later, on the 30th Anniversary of this crash.
Y'know, sometimes, when I watch more modern videos of Railfanning at Back Bay, when the camera faces down to the curve where the crash happened, you can feel the presence of 1073's Spirit, watching down on its living brethren, which are still thriving 30 years later. At least I can feel it.
(Still, someone should probably make some kind of MBTA Ghost Story with 1073's ghost.)
You can regulate it and create all the warning devices you want. Humans will always find a way to circumvent it and have accidents.
I love your videos!
I had no idea this happened when I was 9. Very cool video.
Hey, nyc video, I had almost seen all your documentaries(sorry for bad English 😅) Hat's off to you dude.
From:-An Indian Railfan😎☺️
Great video documentary. I was not aware of the history of this accident. Thank God no one was killed. Thank you for putting this together. Why in the world would TH-cam defund your channel?
I will remember this like it was yesterday. Our church responded to set up tables in the station to hand out coffee and food to the rescue workers and clean up crews. Seeing these massive objects strewn about like on the living room floor just baffled me. And then to go top side and see where the street above had buckled......Glad I was able to help, there we no serious injuries or fatalities.... and will remember forever. I was 17 years old. Thank you for the story.
5:46, It’s Pelham Bay, Not Pel-Ham Bay
I used to live near Pelham bay. I lived in parkchester,bronx
Growing up, people pronounced it like "Pellum."
I love the little details he puts in
Me when the train was about to die: oh gosh this can’t end well
TH-cam:
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They were blessed to be alive from that terrible accident
This is just crazy. So many places hires inexperienced workers and it always only ends one way: with a disaster. It isn’t just train driving. It’s even amusement parks, water parks and more. People are so irresponsible. Education first, safety knowledge second, and then you can hire them. And not to talk about the guilt that the inexperienced workers have to carry with them each time something bad happens. They did the right thing to fire the conductor but I feel bad Abramson. He just needed to be taught by someone who takes their career seriously.
LETS GO WELCOME BACK THE ONE THE ONLY THUNDERBOLT
The Angles were working over time that day. That's b.s. the rookie was fired.
Your reenactments are awesome! Subscribed.
Never knew about this, and I've taken the MBTA line from Back Bay maybe 20 times, it's weird to have been to a place where a crash occurred and just have no idea at all
Thunderbolt - I'm not much of a railroad fan, but I've seen quite a few of your videos. I have ridden very short excursion trains - 2 hours or less round trips.
I keep seeing the partial insides of the engines on your videos and I'd like to know more. Could you please do a documentary about engines, including but not limited to, topics such as showing and explaining the full insides of engines, how a train is "driven" and what does one study or what school does one go to to learn to drive a train, and how long the training takes (no pun intended). Don't get too technical for us train "dummies".
I just wanted to suggest a future video topic and thank you for sharing your videos. Merry Christmas and have a safe, productive Happy New Year!
I kinda do a similar series like that. Engines of SEPTA is where I take a look at different locomotives that work or have worked in the past on SEPTA and not only do I explain their history I do explain some certain ways they work like how you can hook up a Silverliner V with a Silverliner II-IV but they can't MU and work together without 2 crews in each set and only do so for towing purposes. I may possibly do another focusing on the basics on locomotives as you suggested so yeah thanks for the suggestions and I'm glad you enjoy my work!
8:12 but why fire the one that was learning the route? I mean wasn’t it solely the guy with a sketchy record’s fault? Wasn’t Abramson innocent or was he not
Great video. Why are you getting demonetized, though? Are train crashes considered violent content?
Probably because of the gruesome details
76 mph in a 30 mph zone? WHAT IN THE DISREGARD FOR SAFE OPERATION?! WHAT IN THE DANGEROUS SPEEDS?!
I wish I could support you. But I can barely afford gas for my car right now. Maybe I will once I get a better paying job.
Also, how’s the hunt for a new video platform going?
This crash happened on my birthday...
great video as always!!
when the viareggio accident? :D
It's amazing how no one died, you'd expect much more damage in such a small space.
Yeah Togo robot
That bandicam badge takes me back. Oh man that's old school screen recording. Lol
I’m amazed no one died in this crash.
I have a request: Tay Bridge Disaster 140 Years Later happened on December 28th, 1879. Probably one of the darkest train disasters in the UK
What happened?
Lorry 2 In the Tay Bridge Disaster a passenger train was making it’s way through a Violent Storm which cause the bridge to collapse due to Structural failure and the train falling into the river killing all the passengers and crew. The trains was from Wormit to Dundee
How are you Thunderbolt? Also, love the videos.
T commuter rail had center door Comet type cars at the time?
It was my second year at Conrail. A coworker mentioned that the Amtrak train's steam lines caused condensation in the air lines for the brakes. Ice blocked the brake line and caused the brakes to fail. He said.
I explained to him that Amtrak trains are electrically heated so no steam condensation could have affected the brake system.
I can't wait
But let me ask you, are you still doing the train wreck document in the next year
Why stop?
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren ok if you doing of alot of train wrecks documents that's great because we love you're documents
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren will you make a documentary of the worst train crash in history?
I just love the MBTA
Well, the collision sound is literally a bunch of crashing shopping carts and brakes
Thanks for your videos. I just discovered them and I find them interesting. It seems to me that these train accident investigations are much more likely to conclude human error as a root cause than airplane accidents. I'm not sure if that's a difference in how investigations are conducted, or a difference in how train operate compared to airplanes.
Every Masshole railfanner like me knows this. To me, the Amtrak engineer should have been drug tested.
That was the deadliest train accident in the northeastern corridor, since the chase Maryland collision
Not really. The Back Bay disaster had no fatalities compared to Chase MD which had 16 deaths and Frankford which had 8
R.I.P/Rest In Peace Captain David Nooks FMS CRN FSCRN/Captain David Nooks, December 30th, 1917 ~ February 17th, 1966 / 1917 ~ 1966 / December 30th ~ February 17th.
This is an example of how DANGEROUS it is to have an Engineer with a poor performance record. Amtrak employers made a right call to sack him. However sometimes firing someone would mean a Shortage of a position.
From my experience most Road Foreman, MOPs, Traveling Engineers weren't worth a shit to begin with. There is one that works at the UPRR that ran 3 red signal and got fired for two of them. They made him a MOP, and a shit one at that.
its miraculous no one even died in the accident also are you considering doing the Baltimore Derailment/Explosion just a suggestion
Fantastic video, but the line from New Haven-Union to Boston-Back Bay and Boston-South was not electrified when this incident took place.
I know what you said in your original silver line fire video but may I suggest the tangiwai rail disaster 66 year's later?
If it's alright with you.
For a train crash in a tunnel (the most inconvenient place for such an event to occur), it's quite a miracle how there were NO deaths.
This is what I want answered: WHY WAS THE DRIVER BOTH ON THE NIGHT-OWL AND ON THE M.T.A LINE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?!?!?!?!
Most likely a shortage of personnel
Thanks for making another train crash documentary
Hi old me
I’ve also been to the city a couple times, i only went down there last month for emergency surgery, I haven’t seen a single train ever since 2015
Holy shit even the thumbnail is crazy
Hey, thunderbolt! i have a question, i wanna start my own channel like this but have NO simulator do you have any recommendations? also your intro, thank you.
3:50 I remember that sad music.
Roblox teh Object thingy With 4 Brothers from TheFlightChannel, right?
DonkeyKong0777 - The Nub on the Internet right?
@@CA-Rails-Aviation i sure remembered the music from that channel. I watched quite a lot of vids about plane crashes recently.
RealRTOT song name???
No one was killed by a multiple ton amtrak locomotive tipping over onto a passenger car ?
wat.
Gigidag77 I Think It’s Because Of The Bracks Slightly Slowing the Train Down.
Love your vids
thank you for great video and share with other
Wow, it's amazing that no one was killed in this horrible crash. This just shows that modern passenger railcars really are safe, especially if you compare them to the wooden railcars they used to have up until about 1950's.
It's sadly not surprising Copeland was rehired. Amtrak (which was put in a poor position from the start due to its political opponents being granted a hand in its implementation) has always struggled with hiring and retaining enough staff, and the big private railroads tend to hoover up the best workers.
So apparently Abramson was fired because he was not even supposed to be driving the locomotive as he had only scored a 54% on the Locomotive Operation Test, but the minimum to pass is 85%.
Would you consider the 2007 Amtrak Pere Marquette collision?
>0:54 at the time, electrification ended at New Haven
> Overhead wires at 1:35
autistic screeching
Actually I know Train Sim is set in the 2000s.
Whoo! Ring ring! Hello? It's me, Angela. I like your content very much. People think I have never been involved in that collision because I wasn't born yet. Okay, bye.
Love your content and videos! Weren't the two driving the train invoiced in another wreck? They were smoking Marijuana?
This wreck actually occured on the same that was used by the Boston & Albany, NYC 3001 ran on this route before the route ended steam in 1951.